"I don't want to get into a ... feud with Daryl but I believe he wasn't educated about the situation at hand and he spoke," James said Monday, ahead of the Lakers preseason game against the Golden State Warriors. "So many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. Just be careful what we tweet and we say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech. But there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."
Shorter LBJ: 'I'm more concerned with $ than human rights & freedom.'
What a weak ass comment from LBJ. Really disappointed with him.
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Hypocrite like so many others.
For a guy who so pro equal rights and freedom speech, he sure is a hypocrite.
Yeah. And that comment he made on Morey makes him look bad too.
Maybe when he cant play anymore and he goes to China they can sell his body parts like they do to other people they find useless. Just not his brain as he doesnt have one
That was his statement doing damage control, but you wouldn't be using the words misinformed unless you took issue with what he said.
Its good to know that these social justice warriors have selective interests in issues that suit their agenda. Whod have guessed?
Regards,
Xi Jinping
P.S. When you come back over we can drive around that tank we used at Tiananmen Square to crush the 1989 Democracy Movement
I was merely voicing one thought, based on one interpretation, of one complicated event. I have had a lot of opportunity since that tweet to hear and consider other perspectives.
Basically saying he didnt know enough about the situation to make any remarks.
Whether hes being sincere/candid about that I really have no idea, but it does sound like Lebron is basically just toeing the party line and saying he spoke without being fully informed and therefore his words shouldnt be taken so seriously etc.
I really see no reason for anyone to defend Daryl Morey when he himself has been trying to walk back/take back his comments. Why exert so much energy defending a guys right to say something that he himself is publicly denouncing and walking back? If he were standing by his comments that would be one thing but he himself is literally saying ignore what I said so I dont see why anyone cares to stick up for the guy.
Kaepernick stuck to his guns and didnt walk back or back down from anything he said. Morey immediately did the exact opposite as soon as he realized there was any possibility of financial loss that could result from his statement. No need to get into debating the actual politics of either situation, Im just saying that is a fundamental difference between the 2 people.
I was merely voicing one thought, based on one interpretation, of one complicated event. I have had a lot of opportunity since that tweet to hear and consider other perspectives.
Basically saying he didnt know enough about the situation to make any remarks.
Sure. Why would a guy with a CS degree from Northwestern and an MBA from MIT be totally informed.
Morey's cleanup effort wasn't Morey on his own. It was the Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta telling Morey what to write.
At the end of the day, there is too much cash at stake for Fertitta and his fellow NBA owners to have GM with degrees from Northwestern and MIT make such "uninformed" statements...
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Lebron wasn't saying this in support of China's policies. He was saying this in support of the players in the NBA who were in china when Morey made these comments. Lebron thought of the worst case scenario that could happen to the players in China and that Morey should have waited until the players were back in America before he tweeted anything out. That's my take on his comments
That was his statement doing damage control, but you wouldn't be using the words misinformed unless you took issue with what he said.
Upon further review...F Lebron indeed. I don't really use social media much, so I didn't know this was the damage control of a previous statement. Looks weak
You can't be on the side of people like this. And if you're not directly on their side you can't portray an image of being on their side either.
Money or not you either have a set of beliefs in your life or you don't.
You can't be on the side of people like this. And if you're not directly on their side you can't portray an image of being on their side either.
Money or not you either have a set of beliefs in your life or you don't.
Well said. I don't like going into politics, but seeing guys like Kerr, Curry, and Lebron puff their chests on several issues, but now go quiet with their business involved shows a lot.
Like most celebrities...very very stupid
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If you were/are Pro Kaepernick how are you not pro Morey?
Kaepernick stuck to his guns and didnt walk back or back down from anything he said. Morey immediately did the exact opposite as soon as he realized there was any possibility of financial loss that could result from his statement. No need to get into debating the actual politics of either situation, Im just saying that is a fundamental difference between the 2 people.
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It doesn't happen often, but Jason Whitlock is probably somewhat correct:
NBA $8 bill industry - Nike $30+ bill company and huge ties in China and many contracts with NBA
The hypocrisy is thick and nauesating. The Hong Kong rebels wave old glory and sing the national anthem as if anyone in this country gives a rat's for their troubles or the principal of individual liberty which the US is supposedly built on. We don't teach this in school or with our popular media anymore, quite the opposite.
Perhaps at the next NBA event in China the league can celebrate their relationship with China by playing a video of Hong Kong dissidents being brutalized, or Uyghur muslims being sterilized, re-educated and beaten to ensure no dissident thoughts. I thought diversity was a strength and the holy grail of social progress for which to strive for? Quick, tell Lebron to tweet the CCP to remind them, they seem to want a monolithic culture which brooks no dissent.
Way to bend the knee NBA. Dont worry, I doubt Lebron will lose any sleep in his mansion safe in a gated community.
What a time.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
When are the boycott's starting to stop showing the games on TV here in the states?
just to be clear.
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
Both of you need to abide by the site rules.
But this is an awful look for Lebron and the NBA. The bathroom issue for the Charlotte all star game is so laughable now.
Disgraceful.
Lebron knows goddamned well that his career would be in no danger at all, yet he kowtows. Pathetic.
the timing of Lebron's comments come just as the NBA starts planning for a lower salary cap.
An astonishing 10% of the NBA revenue comes from China, that is an amazing number i had no idea about until this shit storm. And it was their largest growing market, expected to as much as double in the short-term. Now, companies are shifting their money elsewhere - or I imagine even being forced to shift their money elsewhere.
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Lebron knows goddamned well that his career would be in no danger at all, yet he kowtows. Pathetic.
Well said. Moreys job and livelihood was on the line. He had no choice.
+1 It's all about the Benjamins...
Guy works his entire life to get where he is, I d cut him some slack here. If you hold yourself to such a high standard, as to throw away a career because of speaking out without the understanding the consequences of some similar circumstance, good for you, I doubt you re the norm though.
We all have principals for which we are willing to lose much to defend. But in this case I feel you are holding Morey to an unreasonable standard.
Refusing to double down on that tweet is not something he should throw away his career for, IMO
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
Both of you need to abide by the site rules.
I never bring up politics and didnt here. Simply letting another poster know that Kerr and Pop answering questions shouldnt hurt his feelings. Also, this entire thread is political, if you want to go down that route.
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
Both of you need to abide by the site rules.
I never bring up politics and didnt here. Simply letting another poster know that Kerr and Pop answering questions shouldnt hurt his feelings. Also, this entire thread is political, if you want to go down that route.
Read the last sentence of your post. That is the problem, as it was with the one you responded to. Naming people is the problem. Causes tit for tat.
Look, I dont give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinas politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.
Thats fine, people think differently. But the thread sure is bringing up a lot of that. I dont personally care at all but think its hilarious to be called out for something on a thread thats directly talking about how public figures are handling a very real political issue.
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?
Look, I dont give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinas politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.
Pretty much been stated often about names of political US people.
The main thrust of the thread was NBA Money vs NBA social injustice.
Not really a fine line at all. NBA hypocrisy vs NBA revenue. An NBA player calling a GM uninformed vs a truly uninformed player not seeing the hypocrisy of a player using social media to call out a GM for using social media.
But whatever. I just see decent threads spiral out of control once certain public officials(hell, most public officials) are mentioned.
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnt fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arent actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?
People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and dont let it bother you.
And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?
And does anybody think that these are comparable situation?
Either way cowering to China is nothing new for the NBA. Iget that they are 10% of their revenue. Imo we should focus on other markets ie Europe and India.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.
Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.
Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.
The NBA can decide their business interests in China outweigh human rights concerns. However, when it comes to other social justice issues I doubt they will take such a cautious and nuanced view.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.
Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.
Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.
here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...
the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..
freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..
the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.
Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.
Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.
here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...
the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..
freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..
the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..
Spot on. its about the NBA virtue signaling every chance they get.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.
Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.
Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.
By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.
This is a really bad take.
The people who are critical of the NBA are mostly not critical because they won't stand up for human rights.
They're critical of the NBA for being hypocrites, moving an all-star game because the state of North Carolina wants people with a penis to use a men's bathroom and people with a vagina to use the women's bathroom, but will support communist china who among a litany of other human rights violations and atrocities rounds up sectarian Muslims and keeps them in internment camps
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.
Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.
Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.
again you are wrong..
Lebron got pissed when someone told him to shut up and dribble, he just did the same thing to morey..
that is the hypocrisy, Lebron talks about freedom of speech and social justice but then jist told someone to shutup...
see the hypocrisy?
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But thanks for the concern.
Why do you despise Apple?
Can't speak for Greg, but high prices, built in obsolescence in phones design to make you buy more frequently. Products incompatible with other mfgs....chargers, cables, programing...good business model for them, questionable for consumers.
Me saying lebron is being hypocritical doesnt disallow me from buying nikes..
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But thanks for the concern.
Why do you despise Apple?
Because I do. Overpriced crap for cultists who value style over substance....unless you work in something like graphic design.
Where should I buy goods from?
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.
Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.
When you are in a hole, it's best to stop digging.
Everyone except the NBA is criticizing the NBA. It is pretty universal.
Not just the people who had a problem with Kaepernick's manner of protest.
And an ironic thing is Kaepernick knelt in protest of the American flag, the people in Hong Kong are waving it.
Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.
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Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.
^This.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.
Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.
This is a poor take imo. People are just upset that the NBA wants it both ways. Silver was applauded for getting rid of a owner because he made racist comments that were illegally recorded......where is he now?
People like to praise Kap, are you kidding me? You know what he can do? Join a police force, work in some of the higher inner city crime areas and then offer a solution or at least perspective from being on the "other side". Let's see what he thinks then. Of course he won't do that; he can just get paid millions from Nike. Real sacrifice and really someone who wants to lead by example!
And yeah, if I can buy something not made in China, I will.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.
Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.
Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.
Your heart is certainly in the right place, but intellectually you are whiffing at understanding the situation being discussed on this thread.
People are calling out the hypocrisy of the NBA and Lebron for shouting about human rights for some, and then telling others to shut up about human rights. It has nothing to do with buying salad spinners.
But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.
Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.
And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.
All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?
No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc
The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.
Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.
You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.
Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.
If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.
It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.
Hope you are being sarcastic....that line of reasoning would eliminate the wheel.
No.
At the core, the motive is profit and shareholder value. And by any means necessary. Cheap, brutal labor and a willingness to look the other way on human rights issues.
Moral turpitude...corporate style.
But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.
Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.
And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.
All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?
No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc
The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.
Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.
You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.
Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.
If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.
It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.
For the 3rd time lebron and the nba are hypocrites because they pride themselves on being the league that stands up for freedom of speech and hunan rights and the first time it effects their pockets they cave and shut up...
me buying shit from a company is not the same damn thing, you equating this to people buying apple or nike is moronic...
Last time i checked i dont have a platform and do not speak out against those tjings so how does that make me a hypocrite if i go buy a nike shoe...
i have no skin in the game so me buying something from nike doesnt make me a hypocrite...
now if i had a stake in nike and my voice was out there talking about human rights and sweatshops, yes i would be a hypocrite..
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
This is about the NBA community/ culture being phony and dishonest. You can't take the moral high ground whenever it suits you and criticize other leagues/ companies/ states/ government etc when it serves you and then when real money and business is on the line backdown or refuse comment on a clear as day dictatorship.
The NBA is a business and want to maximize profits. I get that but at least be honest about it. Because now it appears those "social issues that stood for" was all about getting PC culture points. And when real money is on the line, they either shut up or side with China.
Not sure how anyone could take anything else they say going forward on political and social issues serious going forward.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..
but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..
but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite
I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?
I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..
but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite
I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?
That is a strawman argument. Nobody got upset with him for staying silent. They got upset with him for actively telling someone to shut up about their human rights concerns.
What possibly could have happened had he said nothing is irrelevant.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
Mike, gotcha and totally agree.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
Exactly... Can anyone find me a quote or statement where Lebron said he was for Freedom worldwide? Just one... He speaks on, the ills and inequalities here in the USA. These guys know that before you can tell others how to live, you better have your own house in order.
I'm fine with stating for the record that I don't care about Freedom in China, Iraqi babies, Syrian refugees or any other international cause that people are up in arms about. I do care about vets living in the streets, inequality in the courts and American babies.
Because for the 4th time, before we can tell others how to live, we better have our shit in order, and unfortunately we don't right now.
The hypocrisy is thick and nauesating. The Hong Kong rebels wave old glory and sing the national anthem as if anyone in this country gives a rat's for their troubles or the principal of individual liberty which the US is supposedly built on. We don't teach this in school or with our popular media anymore, quite the opposite.
Perhaps at the next NBA event in China the league can celebrate their relationship with China by playing a video of Hong Kong dissidents being brutalized, or Uyghur muslims being sterilized, re-educated and beaten to ensure no dissident thoughts. I thought diversity was a strength and the holy grail of social progress for which to strive for? Quick, tell Lebron to tweet the CCP to remind them, they seem to want a monolithic culture which brooks no dissent.
Way to bend the knee NBA. Dont worry, I doubt Lebron will lose any sleep in his mansion safe in a gated community.
What a time.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
That sums it up fairly well.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
Exactly... Can anyone find me a quote or statement where Lebron said he was for Freedom worldwide? Just one... He speaks on, the ills and inequalities here in the USA. These guys know that before you can tell others how to live, you better have your own house in order.
I'm fine with stating for the record that I don't care about Freedom in China, Iraqi babies, Syrian refugees or any other international cause that people are up in arms about. I do care about vets living in the streets, inequality in the courts and American babies.
Because for the 4th time, before we can tell others how to live, we better have our shit in order, and unfortunately we don't right now.
Then for the 4th time you are still wrong. If that is your standard for participation, then we need to call all of our people home and ignore the rest of the world's problems. (Which in all honesty I am not against but for different reasons than yours)
I also think he is catching slack b/c of his stance for Kap and how he stood up for injustice, while both men were still receiving payment from Nike. If he agreed with Kap, he might agree with the Chinese people and their struggle. Sounds like Lebron is the one uneducated on the situation and clearly cares more about the financial impact it is having on him
He waited so long to say something and this bs is what he decides to say?
Enes Kanter seems to be one of the few players who is actually calling LeBron out and standing up for whats right. Good for him.
No matter what, LeBron wouldve looked like a hypocrite because of the Nike connection. But he went above and beyond with this comment.
And yeah, if I can buy something not made in China, I will.
TDS is high. Reminds me of the mindset of ANTIFA. Protest fake fascists, act like fascists and wimp out when confronting the real fascists.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.
And why are you just assuming that Lebron has a deeper, more nuanced understanding of the issues at play than Morey to the extent that he needs to step in and help Morey?
You are being purposefully obtuse.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.
Yea Lebron James understands geopolitical affairs better than Morey.
F Lebron. His true colors are showing.
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.
Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.
He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.
But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.
What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.
Yea Lebron James understands geopolitical affairs better than Morey.
F Lebron. His true colors are showing.
I dont think anyone said he does.
Reading between the lines, LeBrons concern actually seems to stem from the fact that the Nets and Lakers were put in an immensely shitty situation because Morey couldnt keep his trap shut for one more week. Players werent sure if they were safe or going to get to fly home, etc.
We are all being a bit hypocritical though. The number of us who frequently say things like stick to sports or worry about your own country when athletes, sports journalists or non-native US citizens comment on US political issues is sky high.
I can see why native Chinese people are upset about what they perceive as external influence. People on both sides in the US would get in a huff in a similar situation. I can also understand why these circumstances are unique and require non-natives to speak on the behalf of an oppressed minority.
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James = possibly the most outrageous, most extreme, blending of arrogance with ignorance that we have seen this century.
But wait , I should curb my tongue, and mind my mop bucket , also probably keep my eyes down, "yes, mam, no sir, thank you 'guvnah, "
Because us little folks down here just don't have the experience or sophistication to comment, we should just keep cleaning Mr. James' silk sheets, thank you, and be more informed about how much Mr. James lost on his next shoe deal.
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I think it goes beyond politics.
Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.
^This.
+1000 Well said plain and simple. You dont need to bring anyone else into this with what-about-isms
me Sick and MJ was better !
He has the nerve to Quote MLK about being silent in the face
of wrong then does the exact opposite .
And fuck the NBA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Most die-hard fans around the league appreciate LeBrons skills but mostly look at him as a villain already. Id hope fans give him hell around the league. Maybe at his school the history books wont have such a thing as Cultural Revolution in China.
A few months ago there was a small hubbub over the Neil Armstrong movie not showing the American flag, with some whispers that it was cause of Chinese influence. I didnt really pay that much attention but in retrospect that now seems like a much bigger deal than I realized.
A few months ago there was a small hubbub over the Neil Armstrong movie not showing the American flag, with some whispers that it was cause of Chinese influence. I didnt really pay that much attention but in retrospect that now seems like a much bigger deal than I realized.
There are very few things DC can agree on. Both sides leadership are pushing the trade talks and telling you know who to not relent or give in. Think about that. Both sides.
China has been screwing the world for decades and I believe still hold favored nation status, IIRC. They are still considered a developing nation in the UN. Cripes even their surrogates in Viet Nam want us to squelch them.
They have flooded the market with mold ridden drywall, manufactured baby formula with melamine particles, are sending fentanyl here, stealing patented trade secrets and underselling the companies that created the products under patent. They are spying on everyone through Huawei, trying to corner the market on 5G(so they can spy) manipulating their currency to keep their products cheaper, attempting to steal the South China sea from adjacent countries with true territorial water rights so they can steal the mineral under the sea. They think that building a man made island gives them the territorial waters of the entire South China sea, claiming it is their historical territory.
During the HK protests they have state intelligence taking pictures of the leaders and participants so that once they squash the protestors they can grab all the leaders and make them disappear.
LeBron and the NBA are no better or different than any other corporation - the almighty dollar comes first and social justice is a buzzword to be used when it doesn't compromise the financial well being of said enterprise. LeBron said people could get hurt from the tweet. Well people are already being hurt in the streets of Hong Kong while LeBron is holed up in his 5 star hotel far from the protests and the NBA kowtows to Xi Jinping.
Recall this is the same clown who with Marie Antoinette did a big Cuba visit. My wifes family fled that dictatorship. One of my best friends Dad was about an hour away from a firing squad in Cuba. Maybe he can inform me about that paradise who regularly forces children into the sex trade for tourism too.
Yeah. Great guy. . .
Boycott.
Boycott.
Boycott.
Rich at 6:30 mark of the video reads what would have been a much better received message/response than the hypocritical nonsense bullshit that Lebron stated/tweeted because he doesn't want to lose financial benefits of NBA in China.
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