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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2019 10:06 pm
"I don't want to get into a ... feud with Daryl but I believe he wasn't educated about the situation at hand and he spoke," James said Monday, ahead of the Lakers preseason game against the Golden State Warriors. "So many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. Just be careful what we tweet and we say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech. But there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."

Shorter LBJ: 'I'm more concerned with $ than human rights & freedom.'

What a weak ass comment from LBJ. Really disappointed with him.
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So...  
Danny Kanell : 10/14/2019 10:17 pm : link
Heís shutting up and dribbling in this particular case?

Hypocrite like so many others.
So  
Eli owns all : 10/14/2019 10:21 pm : link
If you were/are Pro Kaepernick how are you not pro Morey?
Pretty sure Morey  
terz22 : 10/14/2019 10:21 pm : link
Is a MIT grad so I'd say hes no idiot. Is their a bigger fraud in sports than Lebron?
Absolutely brutal 2 weeks for the NBA..  
Sean : 10/14/2019 10:22 pm : link
the hypocrisy is comical.
If a player said what morey did  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2019 10:24 pm : link
Is lebron telling him to keep it in house?

For a guy who so pro equal rights and freedom speech, he sure is a hypocrite.

Lebron already backpedaling  
nygiants16 : 10/14/2019 10:28 pm : link
saying he meant more was misinformed on the situation of when he said it with the nba in china
Communists buy sneakers too  
arniefez : 10/14/2019 10:54 pm : link
Jordan even did greed better than LeBron..
Yeah but at least Jordan is consistent. The NBA and its players,  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 10:58 pm : link
and many other companies, have adopted this social conscious for marketing points. That is easy to do when in the grand scheme of things stuff is pretty good here. Now when money is going up against real atrocities these guys are mum.
He really  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/14/2019 10:58 pm : link
Looks like a horses ass
That's easily the worst quote yet of anyone associated with the NBA  
moespree : 10/14/2019 11:08 pm : link
Not really surprised though.
RE: He really  
Tesla : 10/14/2019 11:09 pm : link
In comment 14628991 Ned In Atlanta said:
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Looks like a horses ass


Yeah. And that comment he made on Morey makes him look bad too.
I don't get it  
lightemup : 10/14/2019 11:11 pm : link
Lebron wasn't saying this in support of China's policies. He was saying this in support of the players in the NBA who were in china when Morey made these comments. Lebron thought of the worst case scenario that could happen to the players in China and that Morey should have waited until the players were back in America before he tweeted anything out. That's my take on his comments
Totally hypocritical  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/14/2019 11:12 pm : link
But is anyone really surprised. As if I needed any more reasons to hope the Lakers lose every game.

Maybe when he canít play anymore and he goes to China they can sell his body parts like they do to other people they find useless. Just not his brain as he doesnít have one
RE: I don't get it  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/14/2019 11:21 pm : link
In comment 14628997 lightemup said:
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Lebron wasn't saying this in support of China's policies. He was saying this in support of the players in the NBA who were in china when Morey made these comments. Lebron thought of the worst case scenario that could happen to the players in China and that Morey should have waited until the players were back in America before he tweeted anything out. That's my take on his comments


That was his statement doing damage control, but you wouldn't be using the words misinformed unless you took issue with what he said.
He may only be questioning the timing of Moreyís  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/14/2019 11:22 pm : link
tweet and its effect on the NBA players, he did say he will continue to go to China because itís financially profitable for him. But to infer that Morey wasnít educated on the matter only demonstrates that he himself is not one not educated.

Itís good to know that these social justice warriors have selective interests in issues that suit their agenda. Whoíd have guessed?
Dear LeBron...  
bw in dc : 10/14/2019 11:30 pm : link
I appreciate your support.

Regards,
Xi Jinping

P.S. When you come back over we can drive around that tank we used at Tiananmen Square to crush the 1989 Democracy Movement
LBJ  
uconngiant : 10/14/2019 11:41 pm : link
needs to stick to basketball as he knows nothing about what the people in Taiwan are going through
His tweets  
halfback20 : 10/15/2019 12:06 am : link
Clarifying everything arent any better. Poor millionaires had a difficult week in China...
To be fair  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 12:13 am : link
Morey himself walked back the tweet and said the following:

ď I was merely voicing one thought, based on one interpretation, of one complicated event. I have had a lot of opportunity since that tweet to hear and consider other perspectives.Ē

Basically saying he didnít know enough about the situation to make any remarks.

Whether heís being sincere/candid about that I really have no idea, but it does sound like Lebron is basically just toeing the party line and saying ďhe spoke without being fully informed and therefore his words shouldnít be taken so seriouslyĒ etc.

I really see no reason for anyone to defend Daryl Morey when he himself has been trying to walk back/take back his comments. Why exert so much energy defending a guys right to say something that he himself is publicly denouncing and walking back? If he were standing by his comments that would be one thing but he himself is literally saying ďignore what I saidĒ so I donít see why anyone cares to stick up for the guy.

And some might say  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 12:19 am : link
ďWell heís being forced to walk back his commentsĒ... no he isnít. Why? Because he has financial interests at stake? Itís not like his life is in jeopardy and he deleted the tweet at gun point. Heís walking back the comments because heís afraid of how it might hurt his bank account and to me that tells me all I need to know about how much he really cares about and believes in his original tweet. If he walked it back of his own free will and volition when he just as well could have left it up then take him at his word for that. Iím not going to sit here and assume that he really truly believed in what his original tweet said when heís freely saying ďignore what I said actuallyĒ , thatís a waste of time as far as Iím concerned. Just my 2 cents
RE: So  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 12:26 am : link
In comment 14628968 Eli owns all said:
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If you were/are Pro Kaepernick how are you not pro Morey?


Kaepernick stuck to his guns and didnít walk back or back down from anything he said. Morey immediately did the exact opposite as soon as he realized there was any possibility of financial loss that could result from his statement. No need to get into debating the actual politics of either situation, Iím just saying that is a fundamental difference between the 2 people.
RE: To be fair  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 12:28 am : link
In comment 14629051 Leg of Theismann said:
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Morey himself walked back the tweet and said the following:

ď I was merely voicing one thought, based on one interpretation, of one complicated event. I have had a lot of opportunity since that tweet to hear and consider other perspectives.Ē

Basically saying he didnít know enough about the situation to make any remarks.



Sure. Why would a guy with a CS degree from Northwestern and an MBA from MIT be totally informed.

Morey's cleanup effort wasn't Morey on his own. It was the Rockets owner Tilman Fertitta telling Morey what to write.

At the end of the day, there is too much cash at stake for Fertitta and his fellow NBA owners to have GM with degrees from Northwestern and MIT make such "uninformed" statements...
RE: RE: I don't get it  
lightemup : 10/15/2019 12:30 am : link
In comment 14629008 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Lebron wasn't saying this in support of China's policies. He was saying this in support of the players in the NBA who were in china when Morey made these comments. Lebron thought of the worst case scenario that could happen to the players in China and that Morey should have waited until the players were back in America before he tweeted anything out. That's my take on his comments



That was his statement doing damage control, but you wouldn't be using the words misinformed unless you took issue with what he said.


Upon further review...F Lebron indeed. I don't really use social media much, so I didn't know this was the damage control of a previous statement. Looks weak
Xi warned yesterday  
moespree : 10/15/2019 1:00 am : link
That any effort to split China will end with "bodies smashed and bones ground to powder".

You can't be on the side of people like this. And if you're not directly on their side you can't portray an image of being on their side either.

Money or not you either have a set of beliefs in your life or you don't.
RE: Xi warned yesterday  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 1:30 am : link
In comment 14629065 moespree said:
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That any effort to split China will end with "bodies smashed and bones ground to powder".

You can't be on the side of people like this. And if you're not directly on their side you can't portray an image of being on their side either.

Money or not you either have a set of beliefs in your life or you don't.


Well said. I don't like going into politics, but seeing guys like Kerr, Curry, and Lebron puff their chests on several issues, but now go quiet with their business involved shows a lot.
dude has  
Mr. Nickels : 10/15/2019 2:16 am : link
a high school education.

Like most celebrities...very very stupid
Kerr and Pop  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 5:53 am : link
are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.
RE: RE: So  
charlito : 10/15/2019 6:32 am : link
In comment 14629058 Leg of Theismann said:
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If you were/are Pro Kaepernick how are you not pro Morey?



Kaepernick stuck to his guns and didnít walk back or back down from anything he said. Morey immediately did the exact opposite as soon as he realized there was any possibility of financial loss that could result from his statement. No need to get into debating the actual politics of either situation, Iím just saying that is a fundamental difference between the 2 people.


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Can't really blame him  
RobCrossRiver56 : 10/15/2019 7:22 am : link
Only H.S. education, never went to collage. He obviously knows where is bread is buttered.
Phil Knight has  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:37 am : link
many mouths....

It doesn't happen often, but Jason Whitlock is probably somewhat correct:

NBA $8 bill industry - Nike $30+ bill company and huge ties in China and many contracts with NBA
When it comes to which bathroom a citizen of Hong Kong wants to go in,  
GiantsUA : 10/15/2019 7:45 am : link
the NBA will go to the mat, democracy, well let's not make our business partners uncomfortable.

Say what you want about Kap but at least he had conviction  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 7:46 am : link
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being disappointed in LeBrons recent comments  
LG in NYC : 10/15/2019 7:47 am : link
suggests that at one point he was worth listening to?
Kaepernick does have the courage of his convictions.  
GiantsUA : 10/15/2019 8:02 am : link
Many of us do not.
FWIW, I am totally  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:02 am : link
amazed Tiananmen Square II hasn't happened yet. All the US Flags showing up in Hong Kong has to seriously irk Xi. I think the minute it shows up in another Chinese city then end will be swift and brutal.
The NBA boycotts  
rocco8112 : 10/15/2019 8:12 am : link
venues in certain states over policies here in the US. Everyone has their price though and James, the NBA and other elites of all stripes will check their "values" at the door to have access to the massive market of China. Gotta sell those shoes, jerseys, and tickets. Principles? Please. Those only matter when they can stand up to the real enemy, the oppressive, racist, capitalist United States of America.

The hypocrisy is thick and nauesating. The Hong Kong rebels wave old glory and sing the national anthem as if anyone in this country gives a rat's for their troubles or the principal of individual liberty which the US is supposedly built on. We don't teach this in school or with our popular media anymore, quite the opposite.

Perhaps at the next NBA event in China the league can celebrate their relationship with China by playing a video of Hong Kong dissidents being brutalized, or Uyghur muslims being sterilized, re-educated and beaten to ensure no dissident thoughts. I thought diversity was a strength and the holy grail of social progress for which to strive for? Quick, tell Lebron to tweet the CCP to remind them, they seem to want a monolithic culture which brooks no dissent.

Way to bend the knee NBA. Dont worry, I doubt Lebron will lose any sleep in his mansion safe in a gated community.

What a time.
RE: Kerr and Pop  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 8:15 am : link
In comment 14629081 giants_10_88 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.


Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.
NBA  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/15/2019 8:17 am : link
total hypocrites. They get applauded for this yet when the almighty dollar speaks they show their true character.

When are the boycott's starting to stop showing the games on TV here in the states?
Kapp  
hitdog42 : 10/15/2019 8:20 am : link
is paid a lot of money by nike who runs inhumane mills in china to produce product... so yes to certain things he has conviction but his wallet is filled elsewhere.

just to be clear.
RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:24 am : link
In comment 14629124 UConn4523 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.


Both of you need to abide by the site rules.
Kaepernick  
TyreeHelmet : 10/15/2019 8:25 am : link
Did say he would stop kneeling when he was looking for another team. He also took the payout from the NFL that silenced him to a degree. I would go easy on the conviction praise.

But this is an awful look for Lebron and the NBA. The bathroom issue for the Charlotte all star game is so laughable now.
in before the close.  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/15/2019 8:33 am : link
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For a organization, the NBA,  
joeinpa : 10/15/2019 8:34 am : link
who has been on the PC side of every political domestic issue, their stance on the China human rights issue, revealed them to be hypocritical, phony, show me the money billionaires, whose opinions, at least for me on social injustice going forward, will have no value

Disgraceful.
Morey was forced to walk his comment back  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:35 am : link
Because he was most likely threatened with losing his job, and possibly with being blackballed from ever working in the NBA again. That's a credible threat. I don't blame Morey for not wanting to sacrifice his entire career.

Lebron knows goddamned well that his career would be in no danger at all, yet he kowtows. Pathetic.
everyone has morals  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 8:35 am : link
until it hurts their wallet, then some people don't. It's easy to be judgmental.

the timing of Lebron's comments come just as the NBA starts planning for a lower salary cap.

An astonishing 10% of the NBA revenue comes from China, that is an amazing number i had no idea about until this shit storm. And it was their largest growing market, expected to as much as double in the short-term. Now, companies are shifting their money elsewhere - or I imagine even being forced to shift their money elsewhere.

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Sources told Yahoo Sports that some NBA teams are doing scenario planning for the $116M salary cap for 2020-21 to drop by as much as 15% due to situation between NBA and China. Story is up now @YahooSportsNBA
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RE: Morey was forced to walk his comment back  
TyreeHelmet : 10/15/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14629146 Greg from LI said:
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Because he was most likely threatened with losing his job, and possibly with being blackballed from ever working in the NBA again. That's a credible threat. I don't blame Morey for not wanting to sacrifice his entire career.

Lebron knows goddamned well that his career would be in no danger at all, yet he kowtows. Pathetic.


Well said. Moreys job and livelihood was on the line. He had no choice.
RE: And some might say  
gmenatlarge : 10/15/2019 8:43 am : link
In comment 14629056 Leg of Theismann said:
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ďWell heís being forced to walk back his commentsĒ... no he isnít. Why? Because he has financial interests at stake? Itís not like his life is in jeopardy and he deleted the tweet at gun point. Heís walking back the comments because heís afraid of how it might hurt his bank account and to me that tells me all I need to know about how much he really cares about and believes in his original tweet. If he walked it back of his own free will and volition when he just as well could have left it up then take him at his word for that. Iím not going to sit here and assume that he really truly believed in what his original tweet said when heís freely saying ďignore what I said actuallyĒ , thatís a waste of time as far as Iím concerned. Just my 2 cents


+1 It's all about the Benjamins...
RE: And some might say  
joeinpa : 10/15/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14629056 Leg of Theismann said:
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ďWell heís being forced to walk back his commentsĒ... no he isnít. Why? Because he has financial interests at stake? Itís not like his life is in jeopardy and he deleted the tweet at gun point. Heís walking back the comments because heís afraid of how it might hurt his bank account and to me that tells me all I need to know about how much he really cares about and believes in his original tweet. If he walked it back of his own free will and volition when he just as well could have left it up then take him at his word for that. Iím not going to sit here and assume that he really truly believed in what his original tweet said when heís freely saying ďignore what I said actuallyĒ , thatís a waste of time as far as Iím concerned. Just my 2 cents


Guy works his entire life to get where he is, I d cut him some slack here. If you hold yourself to such a high standard, as to throw away a career because of speaking out without the understanding the consequences of some similar circumstance, good for you, I doubt you re the norm though.

We all have principals for which we are willing to lose much to defend. But in this case I feel you are holding Morey to an unreasonable standard.

Refusing to double down on that tweet is not something he should throw away his career for, IMO
RE: RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 8:50 am : link
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.



Both of you need to abide by the site rules.


I never bring up politics and didnít here. Simply letting another poster know that Kerr and Pop answering questions shouldnít hurt his feelings. Also, this entire thread is political, if you want to go down that route.
no, I don't think this is political, really  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:52 am : link
A lot of people from both sides of the political spectrum have been all over the NBA for their craven cowardice.
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Motley Two : 10/15/2019 8:56 am : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:57 am : link
In comment 14629176 UConn4523 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.



Both of you need to abide by the site rules.



I never bring up politics and didnít here. Simply letting another poster know that Kerr and Pop answering questions shouldnít hurt his feelings. Also, this entire thread is political, if you want to go down that route.


Read the last sentence of your post. That is the problem, as it was with the one you responded to. Naming people is the problem. Causes tit for tat.

So you can infer but not name  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:02 am : link
had no idea that was in the bylaws. Talk about a fine line.

Look, I donít give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinaís politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.
RE: no, I don't think this is political, really  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14629179 Greg from LI said:
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A lot of people from both sides of the political spectrum have been all over the NBA for their craven cowardice.


Thatís fine, people think differently. But the thread sure is bringing up a lot of that. I donít personally care at all but think itís hilarious to be called out for something on a thread thatís directly talking about how public figures are handling a very real political issue.
This thread is only political...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 9:05 am : link
if you are pro communism, believe in authoritarian regimes that crush human rights, and believe that keeping direct costs as low as possible by paying pennies per hour is good for business...
Itís BBI  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:07 am : link
thereís always one!
RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
halfback20 : 10/15/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14629124 UConn4523 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.


And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?
Lebron is trying to save his 1 billion he makes from nike  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 9:12 am : link
he is fraud, if it effects his money he tells people to shutup, but if it doesnt he has free reign to say whatever he wants..
RE: So you can infer but not name  
section125 : 10/15/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14629200 UConn4523 said:
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had no idea that was in the bylaws. Talk about a fine line.

Look, I donít give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinaís politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.


Pretty much been stated often about names of political US people.
The main thrust of the thread was NBA Money vs NBA social injustice.

Not really a fine line at all. NBA hypocrisy vs NBA revenue. An NBA player calling a GM uninformed vs a truly uninformed player not seeing the hypocrisy of a player using social media to call out a GM for using social media.

But whatever. I just see decent threads spiral out of control once certain public officials(hell, most public officials) are mentioned.
I could not  
Les in TO : 10/15/2019 9:31 am : link
Care less about what an athlete thinks about a political situation
and yes, people who dislike Lebron/Kerr/Popovich's politics  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 9:34 am : link
are using this as an avenue to slam people they don't like anyway. That doesn't change the fact that this issue, at its core, really isn't about domestic politics at all, which is reflected by the criticism the NBA is receiving from all sides.
RE: RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 9:53 am : link
In comment 14629207 halfback20 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.



And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?


And does anybody think that these are comparable situation?

Either way cowering to China is nothing new for the NBA. Iget that they are 10% of their revenue. Imo we should focus on other markets ie Europe and India.
I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 9:55 am : link
Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.




I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 9:58 am : link
But thanks for the concern.
Morey walked back his comments because he is an employee  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 10:00 am : link
of the NBA and the league's negative reaction to what he said was unmistakable. Lebron is just vomiting whatever he was told to say as another employee of the NBA. I guess his concern for human rights ends where his paycheck begins. That's all fine and good, as long as he is willing to abide other people who don't give a shit about basic human rights either. In other words, shut up about social justice issues if you are selective about to whom they apply.

The NBA can decide their business interests in China outweigh human rights concerns. However, when it comes to other social justice issues I doubt they will take such a cautious and nuanced view.
There is a difference between people buying shit they need to survive  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 10:02 am : link
in 2019 and the NBA actively trying to expand business and marketing themselves as some houlier than thou entity. I still try to be a conscious consumer where I can because that is the only real way to get companies to do anything.
RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14629259 Captplanet said:
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.





here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...

the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..

freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..

the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..
RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Les in TO : 10/15/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14629263 Greg from LI said:
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But thanks for the concern.
Why do you despise Apple?
RE: RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14629269 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14629259 Captplanet said:


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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.







here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...

the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..

freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..

the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..


Spot on. its about the NBA virtue signaling every chance they get.
RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14629259 Captplanet said:
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.





This is a really bad take.

The people who are critical of the NBA are mostly not critical because they won't stand up for human rights.

They're critical of the NBA for being hypocrites, moving an all-star game because the state of North Carolina wants people with a penis to use a men's bathroom and people with a vagina to use the women's bathroom, but will support communist china who among a litany of other human rights violations and atrocities rounds up sectarian Muslims and keeps them in internment camps

The hypocrisy as I see it  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 10:17 am : link
is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.


When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
I think it goes beyond politics.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



again you are wrong..

Lebron got pissed when someone told him to shut up and dribble, he just did the same thing to morey..

that is the hypocrisy, Lebron talks about freedom of speech and social justice but then jist told someone to shutup...

see the hypocrisy?
RE: RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
section125 : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14629274 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14629263 Greg from LI said:


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But thanks for the concern.

Why do you despise Apple?


Can't speak for Greg, but high prices, built in obsolescence in phones design to make you buy more frequently. Products incompatible with other mfgs....chargers, cables, programing...good business model for them, questionable for consumers.
and me buying nikes or stuff from walmart  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:23 am : link
doesnt make me holier tha thou or a hypocrite because i have never spoke out against those things..

Me saying lebron is being hypocritical doesnt disallow me from buying nikes..
RE: RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14629274 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14629263 Greg from LI said:


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But thanks for the concern.

Why do you despise Apple?


Because I do. Overpriced crap for cultists who value style over substance....unless you work in something like graphic design.
No idea why anyone is equating  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
buying a salad spinner made in China to what LeBron did/said. At its core stuff is made in China to decrease prices and make it more affordable which doesnít effect someone with the purchasing power of a LeBron James. I can buy a piece of plastic made in China and still think whatís going on over there is a crime. I think plenty of stuff in the US is a crime, should I stop buying American too?

Where should I buy goods from?
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



When you are in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

Everyone except the NBA is criticizing the NBA. It is pretty universal.

Not just the people who had a problem with Kaepernick's manner of protest.

And an ironic thing is Kaepernick knelt in protest of the American flag, the people in Hong Kong are waving it.
RE: When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14629290 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think it goes beyond politics.


Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.
RE: RE: When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
AcidTest : 10/15/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14629309 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14629290 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I think it goes beyond politics.



Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.


^This.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/15/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



This is a poor take imo. People are just upset that the NBA wants it both ways. Silver was applauded for getting rid of a owner because he made racist comments that were illegally recorded......where is he now?

People like to praise Kap, are you kidding me? You know what he can do? Join a police force, work in some of the higher inner city crime areas and then offer a solution or at least perspective from being on the "other side". Let's see what he thinks then. Of course he won't do that; he can just get paid millions from Nike. Real sacrifice and really someone who wants to lead by example!
I donít care for Kerr at all but he has a pretty interesting family  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 10:34 am : link
history and background. I am not in these peopleís Nike shoes and canít blame them for not wanting to upset their sponsors, but next time when they want to push their politics on us when they are only being paid to dribble and coach, please have someone remind them of this controversy, of when they cowered to the almighty dollar when freedom and laws are being usurped.
Holy crap - people  
section125 : 10/15/2019 10:45 am : link
comparing death camps, government enforced sterilizations and wilful and blatant intellectual property theft(amongst others issues) vs whatever ills we have here for reasons to explain away NBA hypocrisy is disingenuous. No society is perfect, none. But to compare China to the U.S. is a deflection because most of us here have a conscience and know there are inequalities.

And yeah, if I can buy something not made in China, I will.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



Your heart is certainly in the right place, but intellectually you are whiffing at understanding the situation being discussed on this thread.

People are calling out the hypocrisy of the NBA and Lebron for shouting about human rights for some, and then telling others to shut up about human rights. It has nothing to do with buying salad spinners.
lol athletes who get payed off by slave drivers  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2019 10:56 am : link
lecturing us about virtue are almost as bad as Hollywood sex traffickers and prostitutes yelling at us about morality and social justice. Disgusting.
Apple = the devil  
GiantsUA : 10/15/2019 11:11 am : link
Changed our culture - negatives far out weigh the positives.




BTW,if your argument rests on the US being morally equivalent to China  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 11:14 am : link
Then you have a really wretched argument and should probably sit this one out.
So the NBA and Lebron only care about the almighty dollar  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 11:15 am : link
and are hypocrites.

But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.

Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.

And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.

All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?

No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc

The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.

Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.

You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.

Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.

If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.

It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.
RE: Apple = the devil  
section125 : 10/15/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14629373 GiantsUA said:
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Changed our culture - negatives far out weigh the positives.





Hope you are being sarcastic....that line of reasoning would eliminate the wheel.
RE: No idea why anyone is equating  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14629305 UConn4523 said:
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At its core stuff is made in China to decrease prices and make it more affordable which doesnít effect someone with the purchasing power of a LeBron James.


No.

At the core, the motive is profit and shareholder value. And by any means necessary. Cheap, brutal labor and a willingness to look the other way on human rights issues.

Moral turpitude...corporate style.
RE: So the NBA and Lebron only care about the almighty dollar  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14629376 Captplanet said:
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and are hypocrites.

But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.

Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.

And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.

All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?

No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc

The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.

Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.

You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.

Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.

If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.

It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.


For the 3rd time lebron and the nba are hypocrites because they pride themselves on being the league that stands up for freedom of speech and hunan rights and the first time it effects their pockets they cave and shut up...

me buying shit from a company is not the same damn thing, you equating this to people buying apple or nike is moronic...

Last time i checked i dont have a platform and do not speak out against those tjings so how does that make me a hypocrite if i go buy a nike shoe...
and another thing  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:37 am : link
i am not making billions on china and about to lose it..

i have no skin in the game so me buying something from nike doesnt make me a hypocrite...

now if i had a stake in nike and my voice was out there talking about human rights and sweatshops, yes i would be a hypocrite..

LeBron is in a tough spot...  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 11:39 am : link
....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
"Political"  
TyreeHelmet : 10/15/2019 11:43 am : link
People aren't seeing this clearly. And the writers I see on twitter saying this is about "right wingers" attacking the NBA is a joke and hypocritical themselves. This isn't about liberal or conservative- the issue at hand is about right and wrong.

This is about the NBA community/ culture being phony and dishonest. You can't take the moral high ground whenever it suits you and criticize other leagues/ companies/ states/ government etc when it serves you and then when real money and business is on the line backdown or refuse comment on a clear as day dictatorship.

The NBA is a business and want to maximize profits. I get that but at least be honest about it. Because now it appears those "social issues that stood for" was all about getting PC culture points. And when real money is on the line, they either shut up or side with China.

Not sure how anyone could take anything else they say going forward on political and social issues serious going forward.
RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14629416 BillKo said:
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.


it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14629426 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite


I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?
RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14629429 BillKo said:
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I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?


"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
And the worst part is nobody is asking them to forgo feeding their  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
families, imprisonment, torture, murder etc, etc. We are talking about extremely rich athletes and an organization that has made social issues part of their platform and instead of speaking up they have decided that money is more important. Fuck them all and fuck the NBA. NBA Cares my ass.
RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
In comment 14629416 BillKo said:
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.


To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 11:54 am : link
In comment 14629429 BillKo said:
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In comment 14629426 nygiants16 said:


Quote:


In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite



I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?


That is a strawman argument. Nobody got upset with him for staying silent. They got upset with him for actively telling someone to shut up about their human rights concerns.

What possibly could have happened had he said nothing is irrelevant.
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14629436 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.


Mike, gotcha and totally agree.
RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 11:55 am : link
In comment 14629416 BillKo said:
Quote:
....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.


Exactly... Can anyone find me a quote or statement where Lebron said he was for Freedom worldwide? Just one... He speaks on, the ills and inequalities here in the USA. These guys know that before you can tell others how to live, you better have your own house in order.

I'm fine with stating for the record that I don't care about Freedom in China, Iraqi babies, Syrian refugees or any other international cause that people are up in arms about. I do care about vets living in the streets, inequality in the courts and American babies.

Because for the 4th time, before we can tell others how to live, we better have our shit in order, and unfortunately we don't right now.
RE: The NBA boycotts  
Optimus-NY : 10/15/2019 12:01 pm : link
In comment 14629120 rocco8112 said:
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venues in certain states over policies here in the US. Everyone has their price though and James, the NBA and other elites of all stripes will check their "values" at the door to have access to the massive market of China. Gotta sell those shoes, jerseys, and tickets. Principles? Please. Those only matter when they can stand up to the real enemy, the oppressive, racist, capitalist United States of America.

The hypocrisy is thick and nauesating. The Hong Kong rebels wave old glory and sing the national anthem as if anyone in this country gives a rat's for their troubles or the principal of individual liberty which the US is supposedly built on. We don't teach this in school or with our popular media anymore, quite the opposite.

Perhaps at the next NBA event in China the league can celebrate their relationship with China by playing a video of Hong Kong dissidents being brutalized, or Uyghur muslims being sterilized, re-educated and beaten to ensure no dissident thoughts. I thought diversity was a strength and the holy grail of social progress for which to strive for? Quick, tell Lebron to tweet the CCP to remind them, they seem to want a monolithic culture which brooks no dissent.

Way to bend the knee NBA. Dont worry, I doubt Lebron will lose any sleep in his mansion safe in a gated community.

What a time.


AMEN
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14629436 Mike from Ohio said:
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


Quote:


....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.


Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14629436 Mike from Ohio said:
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What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.


That sums it up fairly well.
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
section125 : 10/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
In comment 14629446 Captplanet said:
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


Quote:


....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



Exactly... Can anyone find me a quote or statement where Lebron said he was for Freedom worldwide? Just one... He speaks on, the ills and inequalities here in the USA. These guys know that before you can tell others how to live, you better have your own house in order.

I'm fine with stating for the record that I don't care about Freedom in China, Iraqi babies, Syrian refugees or any other international cause that people are up in arms about. I do care about vets living in the streets, inequality in the courts and American babies.

Because for the 4th time, before we can tell others how to live, we better have our shit in order, and unfortunately we don't right now.


Then for the 4th time you are still wrong. If that is your standard for participation, then we need to call all of our people home and ignore the rest of the world's problems. (Which in all honesty I am not against but for different reasons than yours)
Give me a break. You think LeBron cares about people in China or HK?  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
Maybe their wallets. The spiritually, physically, and emotionally refer to the NBA players there in China while this was going down, not the Chinese people. What suffering do the Chinese people have when their government is oppressing others?
Lebron bitching about his people being oppressed, than helps  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 12:30 pm : link
the oppressors in another country financially commit much worse atrocities than the oppression he is bitching about. Next level thinking from the king. This is why if you want to be a businessman first you should probably shut just the fuck up ala Mr. Jordan.
It's almost like.....these leagues put money above anything else!!!  
Knineteen : 10/15/2019 12:36 pm : link
If the NBA started losing money at the expense of social justice here at home, they'd immediately put a stop to it. Leagues and companies only allow it because it's good PR for them. Once they start to lose money, they show their true colors.
Morey tweet  
jestersdead : 10/15/2019 12:42 pm : link
did he send the tweet when NBA players/officials were in China? If not, worst case scenario was the trip would be canceled by China. Instead, they just decided to limit the exposure.

I also think he is catching slack b/c of his stance for Kap and how he stood up for injustice, while both men were still receiving payment from Nike. If he agreed with Kap, he might agree with the Chinese people and their struggle. Sounds like Lebron is the one uneducated on the situation and clearly cares more about the financial impact it is having on him
Disappointing to say the least  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/15/2019 1:07 pm : link
massively hypocritical statement. Heís only thinking about his peers who are millionaires living the good life, doesnít care about the atrocities happening to regular people on the other side of the world.

He waited so long to say something and this bs is what he decides to say?

Enes Kanter seems to be one of the few players who is actually calling LeBron out and standing up for whatís right. Good for him.

No matter what, LeBron wouldíve looked like a hypocrite because of the Nike connection. But he went above and beyond with this comment.
RE: Holy crap - people  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 1:09 pm : link
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comparing death camps, government enforced sterilizations and wilful and blatant intellectual property theft(amongst others issues) vs whatever ills we have here for reasons to explain away NBA hypocrisy is disingenuous. No society is perfect, none. But to compare China to the U.S. is a deflection because most of us here have a conscience and know there are inequalities.

And yeah, if I can buy something not made in China, I will.


TDS is high. Reminds me of the mindset of ANTIFA. Protest fake fascists, act like fascists and wimp out when confronting the real fascists.
RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 1:11 pm : link
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.



Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.


And why are you just assuming that Lebron has a deeper, more nuanced understanding of the issues at play than Morey to the extent that he needs to step in and help Morey?

You are being purposefully obtuse.
RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 1:12 pm : link
In comment 14629465 Captplanet said:
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.



Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.


Yea Lebron James understands geopolitical affairs better than Morey.

F Lebron. His true colors are showing.
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Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 1:53 pm : link
I know Barstool isn't everyone's cup of tea but this is hilarious

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RE: RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 2:02 pm : link
In comment 14629577 giants_10_88 said:
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.



Lebron did not tell Morey to shut up. He said Morey didn't fully understand the issue, and before Morey or anyone else decides to delve into a sensitive issue like Hong Kong with a tweet(140 characters), that person should consider the possible financial, physical, spiritual and cultural ramifications of his actions.
At no point did Lebron tell him not to discuss the issue, or shut up. Now the NBA might have told Morey to shut up, but Lebron's statement in no way says he can't or should not talk.



Yea Lebron James understands geopolitical affairs better than Morey.

F Lebron. His true colors are showing.


I donít think anyone said he does.

Reading between the lines, LeBronís concern actually seems to stem from the fact that the Nets and Lakers were put in an immensely shitty situation because Morey couldnít keep his trap shut for one more week. Players werenít sure if they were safe or going to get to fly home, etc.

We are all being a bit hypocritical though. The number of us who frequently say things like Ďstick to sportsí or Ďworry about your own countryí when athletes, sports journalists or non-native US citizens comment on US political issues is sky high.

I can see why native Chinese people are upset about what they perceive as external influence. People on both sides in the US would get in a huff in a similar situation. I can also understand why these circumstances are unique and require non-natives to speak on the behalf of an oppressed minority.
You may hate his politics or his show  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 2:20 pm : link
And I don't want to make this about left or right but you wanna see the way an on air talent handles a touchy issue heavily involving his parent company and his bosses shameful handling of a situation? Check out a video clip of Chris Hayes close to his show last night:
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The NBA is nothing more  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2019 2:49 pm : link
than a front for Chicom disseminating communist propaganda and anti-democratic rhetoric. F Commissar Lebron.
Lebron protecting his bottom line  
Heisenberg : 10/15/2019 3:14 pm : link
Understandable, of course.
Heck, we canít even talk politics on BBI, so why shouldnít it be a  
yatqb : 10/15/2019 3:42 pm : link
problem when anyone else does it? Everyone has an opinion and everyone is intolerant of a differing one.
Criticizing China  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 4:01 pm : link
might not be a left right issue. But the holier than though, virtue signaling PC culture Lebron indulges in is defnitley a left wing thing. Hopefully they will eat their own again.
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idiotsavant : 10/15/2019 4:02 pm : link
Morey = dickless wonder

James = possibly the most outrageous, most extreme, blending of arrogance with ignorance that we have seen this century.

But wait , I should curb my tongue, and mind my mop bucket , also probably keep my eyes down, "yes, mam, no sir, thank you 'guvnah, "

Because us little folks down here just don't have the experience or sophistication to comment, we should just keep cleaning Mr. James' silk sheets, thank you, and be more informed about how much Mr. James lost on his next shoe deal.
RE: RE: RE: When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
gmenatlarge : 10/15/2019 6:17 pm : link
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I think it goes beyond politics.



Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.



^This.


+1000 Well said plain and simple. You donít need to bring anyone else into this with what-about-isms
Sucking up to  
XBRONX : 10/15/2019 7:25 pm : link
people who buy your products and are murderous dictators is pretty popular nowadays.
Fuck You LaFraud James go visit your buddy Drake  
Bluesbreaker : 10/15/2019 7:43 pm : link
So you can give him another facial SJW Fraud You make
me Sick and MJ was better !
He has the nerve to Quote MLK about being silent in the face
of wrong then does the exact opposite .
And fuck the NBA !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Smoked !!!  
Bluesbreaker : 10/15/2019 7:49 pm : link
Thank You John Saravelli
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I guess the NBA is more worried about the go broke  
SomeFan : 10/15/2019 8:42 pm : link
than the get woke. So if I follow the line: China owns Nike; Nike owns the NBA.
Also. I keep reading how the NBA screwed up here.  
SomeFan : 10/15/2019 8:50 pm : link
Not true, they showed their true colors and on an individual basis.
Reportedly and just conjecture  
madgiantscow009 : 10/15/2019 9:07 pm : link
but lebron may have pressured the commissioner to punish Morey. Probably financially or a suspension, but maybe whips and chain to go along with their ball gag.
Iíd be surprised if something happens to Morey, but I wouldnít put it  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 10:21 pm : link
past them. Watch, Morey will ďvoluntarilyĒ step down due to health issues and NBA will wait for this to blow over.

Most die-hard fans around the league appreciate LeBronís skills but mostly look at him as a villain already. Iíd hope fans give him hell around the league. Maybe at his school the history books wonít have such a thing as Cultural Revolution in China.
This NBA thing, along w the South Park episode, really opened my eyes.  
Jerz44 : 10/16/2019 12:35 am : link
I had no idea the amount of influence China had.

A few months ago there was a small hubbub over the Neil Armstrong movie not showing the American flag, with some whispers that it was cause of Chinese influence. I didnít really pay that much attention but in retrospect that now seems like a much bigger deal than I realized.
I don't usually look at brietbart  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2019 7:35 am : link
But they've compiled a long pile of quotes from people ripping James on this. From all quarters.
RE: This NBA thing, along w the South Park episode, really opened my eyes.  
section125 : 10/16/2019 8:04 am : link
In comment 14630450 Jerz44 said:
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I had no idea the amount of influence China had.

A few months ago there was a small hubbub over the Neil Armstrong movie not showing the American flag, with some whispers that it was cause of Chinese influence. I didnít really pay that much attention but in retrospect that now seems like a much bigger deal than I realized.


There are very few things DC can agree on. Both sides leadership are pushing the trade talks and telling you know who to not relent or give in. Think about that. Both sides.

China has been screwing the world for decades and I believe still hold favored nation status, IIRC. They are still considered a developing nation in the UN. Cripes even their surrogates in Viet Nam want us to squelch them.
They have flooded the market with mold ridden drywall, manufactured baby formula with melamine particles, are sending fentanyl here, stealing patented trade secrets and underselling the companies that created the products under patent. They are spying on everyone through Huawei, trying to corner the market on 5G(so they can spy) manipulating their currency to keep their products cheaper, attempting to steal the South China sea from adjacent countries with true territorial water rights so they can steal the mineral under the sea. They think that building a man made island gives them the territorial waters of the entire South China sea, claiming it is their historical territory.

During the HK protests they have state intelligence taking pictures of the leaders and participants so that once they squash the protestors they can grab all the leaders and make them disappear.

LeBron and the NBA are no better or different than any other corporation - the almighty dollar comes first and social justice is a buzzword to be used when it doesn't compromise the financial well being of said enterprise. LeBron said people could get hurt from the tweet. Well people are already being hurt in the streets of Hong Kong while LeBron is holed up in his 5 star hotel far from the protests and the NBA kowtows to Xi Jinping.
Details about Silver and Lebron's meeting make Lebron  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 11:09 am : link
look like a giant hypocritical fucking asshole and Silver as a sympathetic figure trying to figure out the best way to navigate this minefield. Sounds like Lebron wants Morey fired. Fuck you Lebron.
cringy from new video game.  
madgiantscow009 : 10/16/2019 7:15 pm : link
https://streamable.com/jxkz0
Listen. Whatís the big deal  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 7:25 pm : link
About arresting religious people and harvesting their organs. LBJ has got it right. We are all misinformed obviously.

Recall this is the same clown who with Marie Antoinette did a big Cuba visit. My wifeís family fled that dictatorship. One of my best friends Dad was about an hour away from a firing squad in Cuba. Maybe he can inform me about that paradise who regularly forces children into the sex trade for tourism too.

Yeah. Great guy. . .
Bingo matty  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2019 7:42 pm : link
Keep fighting brother
I was about to put on a show about the knicks  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2019 7:45 pm : link
Or the NBA . Then . I was like; ' y'know what? Fuck that.'

Boycott.

Boycott.

Boycott.
A bit late to this...  
RC in MD : 10/17/2019 2:19 pm : link
But saw this segment from Rich Eisen on his show regarding the whole Lebron situation.

Rich at 6:30 mark of the video reads what would have been a much better received message/response than the hypocritical nonsense bullshit that Lebron stated/tweeted because he doesn't want to lose financial benefits of NBA in China.
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