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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/14/2019 10:06 pm
"I don't want to get into a ... feud with Daryl but I believe he wasn't educated about the situation at hand and he spoke," James said Monday, ahead of the Lakers preseason game against the Golden State Warriors. "So many people could have been harmed, not only financially, but physically, emotionally, spiritually. Just be careful what we tweet and we say and we do, even though, yes, we do have freedom of speech. But there can be a lot of negative that comes with that too."

Shorter LBJ: 'I'm more concerned with $ than human rights & freedom.'

What a weak ass comment from LBJ. Really disappointed with him.
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Motley Two : 10/15/2019 8:56 am : link
RE: RE: RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:57 am : link
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.



Both of you need to abide by the site rules.



I never bring up politics and didnít here. Simply letting another poster know that Kerr and Pop answering questions shouldnít hurt his feelings. Also, this entire thread is political, if you want to go down that route.


Read the last sentence of your post. That is the problem, as it was with the one you responded to. Naming people is the problem. Causes tit for tat.

So you can infer but not name  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:02 am : link
had no idea that was in the bylaws. Talk about a fine line.

Look, I donít give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinaís politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.
RE: no, I don't think this is political, really  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:05 am : link
In comment 14629179 Greg from LI said:
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A lot of people from both sides of the political spectrum have been all over the NBA for their craven cowardice.


Thatís fine, people think differently. But the thread sure is bringing up a lot of that. I donít personally care at all but think itís hilarious to be called out for something on a thread thatís directly talking about how public figures are handling a very real political issue.
This thread is only political...  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 9:05 am : link
if you are pro communism, believe in authoritarian regimes that crush human rights, and believe that keeping direct costs as low as possible by paying pennies per hour is good for business...
Itís BBI  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 9:07 am : link
thereís always one!
RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
halfback20 : 10/15/2019 9:11 am : link
In comment 14629124 UConn4523 said:
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.


And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?
Lebron is trying to save his 1 billion he makes from nike  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 9:12 am : link
he is fraud, if it effects his money he tells people to shutup, but if it doesnt he has free reign to say whatever he wants..
RE: So you can infer but not name  
section125 : 10/15/2019 9:14 am : link
In comment 14629200 UConn4523 said:
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had no idea that was in the bylaws. Talk about a fine line.

Look, I donít give a shit, but this thread is about LeBron James and his politics, Chinaís politics, Moreys politics, etc. A poster called out 2 coaches for speaking up about something (just like LeBron and Morey did) and I replied to it. So delete the entire thread and abide by the site rules.


Pretty much been stated often about names of political US people.
The main thrust of the thread was NBA Money vs NBA social injustice.

Not really a fine line at all. NBA hypocrisy vs NBA revenue. An NBA player calling a GM uninformed vs a truly uninformed player not seeing the hypocrisy of a player using social media to call out a GM for using social media.

But whatever. I just see decent threads spiral out of control once certain public officials(hell, most public officials) are mentioned.
I could not  
Les in TO : 10/15/2019 9:31 am : link
Care less about what an athlete thinks about a political situation
and yes, people who dislike Lebron/Kerr/Popovich's politics  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 9:34 am : link
are using this as an avenue to slam people they don't like anyway. That doesn't change the fact that this issue, at its core, really isn't about domestic politics at all, which is reflected by the criticism the NBA is receiving from all sides.
RE: RE: RE: Kerr and Pop  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 9:53 am : link
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are both punks. Ranting about Orange Man bad all the time but can't stick up to the actual facists. Just a bunch of fake woke virtue signaling assholes.



Seems to me that you are confusing what Kerr and Popovich actually do. They are asked questions and they answer them. Sorry it doesnít fit your views but they are simply replying to questions. They arenít actively campaigning or whatever you are trying to make it seem like. And what do you want them to do about China?

People hate trump, try growing thicker skin and donít let it bother you.



And they were asked about China too though? Didnt Kerr compare whats going on in China to things happening here?


And does anybody think that these are comparable situation?

Either way cowering to China is nothing new for the NBA. Iget that they are 10% of their revenue. Imo we should focus on other markets ie Europe and India.
I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 9:55 am : link
Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.




I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 9:58 am : link
But thanks for the concern.
Morey walked back his comments because he is an employee  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 10:00 am : link
of the NBA and the league's negative reaction to what he said was unmistakable. Lebron is just vomiting whatever he was told to say as another employee of the NBA. I guess his concern for human rights ends where his paycheck begins. That's all fine and good, as long as he is willing to abide other people who don't give a shit about basic human rights either. In other words, shut up about social justice issues if you are selective about to whom they apply.

The NBA can decide their business interests in China outweigh human rights concerns. However, when it comes to other social justice issues I doubt they will take such a cautious and nuanced view.
There is a difference between people buying shit they need to survive  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 10:02 am : link
in 2019 and the NBA actively trying to expand business and marketing themselves as some houlier than thou entity. I still try to be a conscious consumer where I can because that is the only real way to get companies to do anything.
RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:02 am : link
In comment 14629259 Captplanet said:
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.





here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...

the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..

freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..

the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..
RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Les in TO : 10/15/2019 10:07 am : link
In comment 14629263 Greg from LI said:
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But thanks for the concern.
Why do you despise Apple?
RE: RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 10:09 am : link
In comment 14629269 nygiants16 said:
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.







here is the difference we dont speak out every chance we get against social justice, we dont make ourselves the league that prides itswlf on freedom of speech...

the hypocricy is not with him defending china or not defending china, his hypocricy is telling another person to shutup and not speak on something..

freedom of speech is freedom of speech whether you like the words or not, you cant pick and choose when to speak up and when to say it is ok for someone else to speak up when ypu are so loud yourself..

the hypocricy has nothing to do with defending china..


Spot on. its about the NBA virtue signaling every chance they get.
RE: I find it funny how some people are calling Lebron and the NBA  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 10:10 am : link
In comment 14629259 Captplanet said:
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Hypocrites for not fighting for "freedom" for the Chinese people and Hong Kong. I guess they think this is the time to look like they are the true purveyors of the American dream of "freedom" for all.
The irony of them typing away on their iPhones or iPads which are made in China by Foxconn, a company that treats its employees so badly that the people commit suicide on a regular basis.

Let's not act as if we are holier than thou. If Lebron and the NBA a "cowards" maybe some of you should look in your closet and throw out your Nikes, to show support for your Hong Kong brothers.

Throw out all of your Apple products in solidarity.
Throw out your wife's salad spinner that she bought at Walmart because it was cheaper than Target.

By the way, I'm not trying to defend the NBA or Lebron, but I find it disingenuous for some on the Right and Left to attack a sports league for not standing up for human rights in another country when the same people won't stand up for Human Rights here in the USA.





This is a really bad take.

The people who are critical of the NBA are mostly not critical because they won't stand up for human rights.

They're critical of the NBA for being hypocrites, moving an all-star game because the state of North Carolina wants people with a penis to use a men's bathroom and people with a vagina to use the women's bathroom, but will support communist china who among a litany of other human rights violations and atrocities rounds up sectarian Muslims and keeps them in internment camps

The hypocrisy as I see it  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 10:17 am : link
is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.


When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
I think it goes beyond politics.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



again you are wrong..

Lebron got pissed when someone told him to shut up and dribble, he just did the same thing to morey..

that is the hypocrisy, Lebron talks about freedom of speech and social justice but then jist told someone to shutup...

see the hypocrisy?
RE: RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
section125 : 10/15/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14629274 Les in TO said:
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But thanks for the concern.

Why do you despise Apple?


Can't speak for Greg, but high prices, built in obsolescence in phones design to make you buy more frequently. Products incompatible with other mfgs....chargers, cables, programing...good business model for them, questionable for consumers.
and me buying nikes or stuff from walmart  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 10:23 am : link
doesnt make me holier tha thou or a hypocrite because i have never spoke out against those things..

Me saying lebron is being hypocritical doesnt disallow me from buying nikes..
RE: RE: I despise Apple and have never bought one of their products  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14629274 Les in TO said:
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In comment 14629263 Greg from LI said:


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But thanks for the concern.

Why do you despise Apple?


Because I do. Overpriced crap for cultists who value style over substance....unless you work in something like graphic design.
No idea why anyone is equating  
UConn4523 : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
buying a salad spinner made in China to what LeBron did/said. At its core stuff is made in China to decrease prices and make it more affordable which doesnít effect someone with the purchasing power of a LeBron James. I can buy a piece of plastic made in China and still think whatís going on over there is a crime. I think plenty of stuff in the US is a crime, should I stop buying American too?

Where should I buy goods from?
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
pjcas18 : 10/15/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



When you are in a hole, it's best to stop digging.

Everyone except the NBA is criticizing the NBA. It is pretty universal.

Not just the people who had a problem with Kaepernick's manner of protest.

And an ironic thing is Kaepernick knelt in protest of the American flag, the people in Hong Kong are waving it.
RE: When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14629290 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I think it goes beyond politics.


Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.
RE: RE: When an issue brings Ted Cruz & Liz Warren together..  
AcidTest : 10/15/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14629309 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14629290 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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I think it goes beyond politics.



Exactly. I don't really know how it's "political" to be disgusted by a bunch of fabulously wealthy NBA fatcats bowing and scraping before a murderous dictatorship because said dictatorship vaults them from stupid rich to mega stupid rich.


^This.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/15/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



This is a poor take imo. People are just upset that the NBA wants it both ways. Silver was applauded for getting rid of a owner because he made racist comments that were illegally recorded......where is he now?

People like to praise Kap, are you kidding me? You know what he can do? Join a police force, work in some of the higher inner city crime areas and then offer a solution or at least perspective from being on the "other side". Let's see what he thinks then. Of course he won't do that; he can just get paid millions from Nike. Real sacrifice and really someone who wants to lead by example!
I donít care for Kerr at all but he has a pretty interesting family  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 10:34 am : link
history and background. I am not in these peopleís Nike shoes and canít blame them for not wanting to upset their sponsors, but next time when they want to push their politics on us when they are only being paid to dribble and coach, please have someone remind them of this controversy, of when they cowered to the almighty dollar when freedom and laws are being usurped.
Holy crap - people  
section125 : 10/15/2019 10:45 am : link
comparing death camps, government enforced sterilizations and wilful and blatant intellectual property theft(amongst others issues) vs whatever ills we have here for reasons to explain away NBA hypocrisy is disingenuous. No society is perfect, none. But to compare China to the U.S. is a deflection because most of us here have a conscience and know there are inequalities.

And yeah, if I can buy something not made in China, I will.
RE: The hypocrisy as I see it  
Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14629285 Captplanet said:
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is the same people who yelled at Kaepernick for speaking about brutality in America. Are now the same people that are mad at the NBA and Lebron for not speaking about brutality in China.
If you want to call the NBA and Lebron hypocrites, that's fine. But Own up to your own hypocrisy.

Don't throw stones if you live in a glasshouse.

Everyone, Right, Left and Center should work hard to make America the bastion of freedom we claim it to be. Only then can we travel around the world and tell others how they should treat their people.



Your heart is certainly in the right place, but intellectually you are whiffing at understanding the situation being discussed on this thread.

People are calling out the hypocrisy of the NBA and Lebron for shouting about human rights for some, and then telling others to shut up about human rights. It has nothing to do with buying salad spinners.
lol athletes who get payed off by slave drivers  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/15/2019 10:56 am : link
lecturing us about virtue are almost as bad as Hollywood sex traffickers and prostitutes yelling at us about morality and social justice. Disgusting.
Apple = the devil  
GiantsUA : 10/15/2019 11:11 am : link
Changed our culture - negatives far out weigh the positives.




BTW,if your argument rests on the US being morally equivalent to China  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 11:14 am : link
Then you have a really wretched argument and should probably sit this one out.
So the NBA and Lebron only care about the almighty dollar  
Captplanet : 10/15/2019 11:15 am : link
and are hypocrites.

But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.

Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.

And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.

All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?

No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc

The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.

Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.

You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.

Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.

If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.

It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.
RE: Apple = the devil  
section125 : 10/15/2019 11:15 am : link
In comment 14629373 GiantsUA said:
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Changed our culture - negatives far out weigh the positives.





Hope you are being sarcastic....that line of reasoning would eliminate the wheel.
RE: No idea why anyone is equating  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 11:28 am : link
In comment 14629305 UConn4523 said:
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At its core stuff is made in China to decrease prices and make it more affordable which doesnít effect someone with the purchasing power of a LeBron James.


No.

At the core, the motive is profit and shareholder value. And by any means necessary. Cheap, brutal labor and a willingness to look the other way on human rights issues.

Moral turpitude...corporate style.
RE: So the NBA and Lebron only care about the almighty dollar  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:34 am : link
In comment 14629376 Captplanet said:
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and are hypocrites.

But Google, who limits its search capabilities so that it can be in the Chinese market.

Apple who provides phones in the Chinese market that lacks the encryption of the US version, so that the Chinese Govt can track and monitor its people.

And the Trumps who make all of their clothes, shoes, ties, handbags....etc.

All of who speak on a regular basis, run ads and put troops in harm's way for "freedom and justice and the American Way" are not hypocrites?

No one said a word about Google, The Trumps, Apple...etc

The mistake that Morey made was writing a tweet that forced the NBA to show the world the game that everyone else plays just to do business in the Chinese market.

Ted Cruz, Liz Warren, all on the left and right who think the NBA and Lebron are hypocrites need to look in the mirror.

You guys are worried about freedom for people in Hong Kong but are OK with someone going to jail for smoking a joint or getting fired from their job because they are gay or gets shot in their house while eating a bowl of ice cream because of the color of their skin.

Please... Clean up our own shit before we start worrying about everyone else.

If the NBA and Lebron are going to be called hypocrites than we all need to be honest with ourselves. We are all hypocrites because we talk a good game when it suits our political or social views. But shut our mouths when we can save a few bucks here and there and support a regime that stifles the freedom of its own people.

It's the same thing that the NBA is doing right now. Unfortunately for them, they had to do it in the open.


For the 3rd time lebron and the nba are hypocrites because they pride themselves on being the league that stands up for freedom of speech and hunan rights and the first time it effects their pockets they cave and shut up...

me buying shit from a company is not the same damn thing, you equating this to people buying apple or nike is moronic...

Last time i checked i dont have a platform and do not speak out against those tjings so how does that make me a hypocrite if i go buy a nike shoe...
and another thing  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:37 am : link
i am not making billions on china and about to lose it..

i have no skin in the game so me buying something from nike doesnt make me a hypocrite...

now if i had a stake in nike and my voice was out there talking about human rights and sweatshops, yes i would be a hypocrite..

LeBron is in a tough spot...  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 11:39 am : link
....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.
"Political"  
TyreeHelmet : 10/15/2019 11:43 am : link
People aren't seeing this clearly. And the writers I see on twitter saying this is about "right wingers" attacking the NBA is a joke and hypocritical themselves. This isn't about liberal or conservative- the issue at hand is about right and wrong.

This is about the NBA community/ culture being phony and dishonest. You can't take the moral high ground whenever it suits you and criticize other leagues/ companies/ states/ government etc when it serves you and then when real money and business is on the line backdown or refuse comment on a clear as day dictatorship.

The NBA is a business and want to maximize profits. I get that but at least be honest about it. Because now it appears those "social issues that stood for" was all about getting PC culture points. And when real money is on the line, they either shut up or side with China.

Not sure how anyone could take anything else they say going forward on political and social issues serious going forward.
RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14629416 BillKo said:
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.


it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite
RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 11:46 am : link
In comment 14629426 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite


I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?
RE: RE: RE: LeBron is in a tough spot...  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
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I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?


"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt".
And the worst part is nobody is asking them to forgo feeding their  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
families, imprisonment, torture, murder etc, etc. We are talking about extremely rich athletes and an organization that has made social issues part of their platform and instead of speaking up they have decided that money is more important. Fuck them all and fuck the NBA. NBA Cares my ass.
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Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 11:51 am : link
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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.


To be clear, Lebron doesn't need to speak out about every human right violation in the world. He is free to focus on specific things in this country. No one is criticizing him for that.

What he is being criticized for is telling someone else who spoke out about a human rights is that they should shut up about it because he has a financial stake in the people violating those human rights.
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Mike from Ohio : 10/15/2019 11:54 am : link
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In comment 14629416 BillKo said:


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....he talks about issues in this country which affect his friends, family, and fellow citizens. He's certainly allowed to do that and has a platform for it.

Should he be speaking out about what's going on in China, it certainly would be more consistent with his actions no doubt.

He certainly shouldn't "shut up and dribble", but take a more tactful approach to what China is doing to its people.

But I gotta agree that LeBron's first interest should be what this country is doing in regards to his platform.



it is not about taking a side, he didnt ha e to say anything, he literally could of said nothing and nobody would of cared..

but the second he told morey to shutup he became a hypocrite



I think people still would have cared if he didn't say anything, don't you think? What's the saying, silence is deafening?


That is a strawman argument. Nobody got upset with him for staying silent. They got upset with him for actively telling someone to shut up about their human rights concerns.

What possibly could have happened had he said nothing is irrelevant.
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