He doesn’t have any vision. What do they see in him?? He honestly reminds me of Andre Williams. Zero vision runs right to where the play is designed to go and has fumbling issues. He’s awful. The backs they had last year in preseason showed much more promise. Just mind boggling decisions.
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Yes, and they should never be questioned because they always get it right. And fans who disagree with management are always wrong. Like when they complained the Eli Apple was a terrible draft pick they were wrong because the Giants knew more than the fans did about the player.
and I have much more familiarity with him too. He played at BC and was terrible, outside of his freshmen year. He was good his first year, broke his leg early in his 2nd missing rest of the season, and then was never any good again. He couldn't find a hole with GPS while at BC after his freshmen year. He transferred to Rutgers for his 5th year, since BC had All-ACC RB AJ Dillon, and he stunk there too.
It baffles my mind he is hanging around the NFL, let alone started for us for a couple games. There has to be better talent even for the Practice Squad. And the fact they started him vs. NE was an insult to us fans. Get a damn vet that can play. I don't give a crap if Hilliman "knows the playbook." That must be one of the most overrated things in football.
so not really a critical spot, but how often do you add guys to the practice squad who have had a shot in the NFL and shown no flash at all after two starts?
Sure they guy could just be a really slow developer, but this is also not some athletic freak that just needs coaching and development. The guy's upside looks like a fringe NFL player.
I'd say trust the professionals, but these are the same guys who brought in Jonathan Stewart so it is fair to ask if they may value familiarity over talent.
so they were already paying him for the season. Nothing to do with familiarity.
I'm pretty sure they were only on the hook for $280k in dead money for Fowler. The re-signing is independent of that, and 100% consistent with this regime's overvaluation of familiarity.
to condemn an undrafted rookie who was an emergency call up off the PS.
Lots of higher expectation players have flubbed badly in their first outings.
The likelihood of anyone on the PS making it in the NFL is pretty low, so expectations have to be tempered.
The Giants obviously thought enough of him to return him to the PS, whether it is for development for the future, or simply to do PS duties (scout team, practice body, whatever).
They should be churning the last few slots looking for some overlooked talent rather than continuing to bring back the guys who have shown they can't play.
It's one of the luxuries of being in a rebuild - you can take some additional chances with your PS and the bottom end of the roster to hopefully discover hidden gems. Instead, we have a front office that's voluntarily stuck on rinse/repeat.
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Especially for the RB position. OK, so you're not going to find a hidden gem at QB off of someone's PS. But you'll find plenty of guys who can do a credible job at RB. No, they aren't all going to step in and replace Barkley without missing a beat, but they should be better than Hilliman.
He doesn’t have any vision. What do they see in him?? He honestly reminds me of Andre Williams. Zero vision runs right to where the play is designed to go and has fumbling issues. He’s awful. The backs they had last year in preseason showed much more promise. Just mind boggling decisions.
That's great - but they don't have to know more than us, they have to know more than the other 31 NFL teams. And while I'm sure they're not at the bottom, I don't know how far up that list they really are.
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Especially for the RB position. OK, so you're not going to find a hidden gem at QB off of someone's PS. But you'll find plenty of guys who can do a credible job at RB. No, they aren't all going to step in and replace Barkley without missing a beat, but they should be better than Hilliman.
Part of the problem is that you can't take guys off of other practice squads to simply add them to your practice squad. So the guys you'd be cycling through are guys that weren't good enough to make any practice squad to date.
to condemn an undrafted rookie who was an emergency call up off the PS.
Lots of higher expectation players have flubbed badly in their first outings.
The likelihood of anyone on the PS making it in the NFL is pretty low, so expectations have to be tempered.
The Giants obviously thought enough of him to return him to the PS, whether it is for development for the future, or simply to do PS duties (scout team, practice body, whatever).
Agree completely. Lets face it, the only reason he was activated off of the PS in the first place was because we had no one else! Thats a separate issue as I agree with most that we should have signed someone with at least a little NFL experience. But we didnt. At this point, Hilliman is a PS player. And he played like one. Guys are on the PS for a reason; they arent developed enough yet to make the roster. You activate guys off of the PS in an emergency situation and that is pretty damn close to the performance you are gonna get from most of them. So now he is back where he started; not really worth making a huge deal out of it.
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Bingo, you never find any wheat if you keep bringing in the same chaff
Guys are on the practice squad because they offer promise Â
the game hasn't slowed down for him yet. The fact that he hasn't played well against two top defenses in his first season is hardly dispositive as to his talent. If they don't see progress, they will cut him. They have not shown any unwillingness to do that with others.
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the game hasn't slowed down for him yet. The fact that he hasn't played well against two top defenses in his first season is hardly dispositive as to his talent. If they don't see progress, they will cut him. They have not shown any unwillingness to do that with others.
What about the fact that he sucked in college? Does that matter?
I'm a much better GM than DG. In Madden I get freaks on my practice squad like size/speed guys like Scarborough or 94 speed Corey Grant. At least they bring something to the table, I wouldn't touch Hilliman with a 10 foot pole, if he's even in the game.
I thought Hilliman pretty much played his way out of the organization, but "mind boggling"?
I don't know what they see in him, exactly, but developmental players are, by definition, under-prepared for NFL action. He was over-promoted and failed.
The sample size for the guy is still pretty small for sweeping conclusions about what he can and can't do. He sure better learn to hold onto the ball, though.
There may be better runners, but are they PS eligible?
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Yes, and they should never be questioned because they always get it right. And fans who disagree with management are always wrong. Like when they complained the Eli Apple was a terrible draft pick they were wrong because the Giants knew more than the fans did about the player.
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It baffles my mind he is hanging around the NFL, let alone started for us for a couple games. There has to be better talent even for the Practice Squad. And the fact they started him vs. NE was an insult to us fans. Get a damn vet that can play. I don't give a crap if Hilliman "knows the playbook." That must be one of the most overrated things in football.
Sure they guy could just be a really slow developer, but this is also not some athletic freak that just needs coaching and development. The guy's upside looks like a fringe NFL player.
I'd say trust the professionals, but these are the same guys who brought in Jonathan Stewart so it is fair to ask if they may value familiarity over talent.
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I'm pretty sure they were only on the hook for $280k in dead money for Fowler. The re-signing is independent of that, and 100% consistent with this regime's overvaluation of familiarity.
Lots of higher expectation players have flubbed badly in their first outings.
The likelihood of anyone on the PS making it in the NFL is pretty low, so expectations have to be tempered.
The Giants obviously thought enough of him to return him to the PS, whether it is for development for the future, or simply to do PS duties (scout team, practice body, whatever).
It's one of the luxuries of being in a rebuild - you can take some additional chances with your PS and the bottom end of the roster to hopefully discover hidden gems. Instead, we have a front office that's voluntarily stuck on rinse/repeat.
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Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Especially for the RB position. OK, so you're not going to find a hidden gem at QB off of someone's PS. But you'll find plenty of guys who can do a credible job at RB. No, they aren't all going to step in and replace Barkley without missing a beat, but they should be better than Hilliman.
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The Giants know no more than we do
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Thank you, ease up people
you know this how?
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The Giants know no more than we do
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Thank you, ease up people
That's great - but they don't have to know more than us, they have to know more than the other 31 NFL teams. And while I'm sure they're not at the bottom, I don't know how far up that list they really are.
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slot of the PS is a little much...
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Especially for the RB position. OK, so you're not going to find a hidden gem at QB off of someone's PS. But you'll find plenty of guys who can do a credible job at RB. No, they aren't all going to step in and replace Barkley without missing a beat, but they should be better than Hilliman.
Part of the problem is that you can't take guys off of other practice squads to simply add them to your practice squad. So the guys you'd be cycling through are guys that weren't good enough to make any practice squad to date.
Lots of higher expectation players have flubbed badly in their first outings.
The likelihood of anyone on the PS making it in the NFL is pretty low, so expectations have to be tempered.
The Giants obviously thought enough of him to return him to the PS, whether it is for development for the future, or simply to do PS duties (scout team, practice body, whatever).
Agree completely. Lets face it, the only reason he was activated off of the PS in the first place was because we had no one else! Thats a separate issue as I agree with most that we should have signed someone with at least a little NFL experience. But we didnt. At this point, Hilliman is a PS player. And he played like one. Guys are on the PS for a reason; they arent developed enough yet to make the roster. You activate guys off of the PS in an emergency situation and that is pretty damn close to the performance you are gonna get from most of them. So now he is back where he started; not really worth making a huge deal out of it.
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slot of the PS is a little much...
Generally, I agree. However, in this case, Hilliman has shown absolutely nothing to merit keeping around. Cycle through other free agents and try to find someone who DOES show something.
Not a big deal, but perplexing.
Good Lord....
He can't play....
What about the fact that he sucked in college? Does that matter?
I don't know what they see in him, exactly, but developmental players are, by definition, under-prepared for NFL action. He was over-promoted and failed.
The sample size for the guy is still pretty small for sweeping conclusions about what he can and can't do. He sure better learn to hold onto the ball, though.