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superspynyg : 10/15/2019 8:02 am
Boone to use all relievers in game 4? I read that somewhere and want to see if itís true. Who would be the opener? Happ? CC?

How is Stantonís quad injury? Will play? If not can he be replaced on the roster already? Iíd rather have another 1B than a hurt OF.

Thoughts?


I will try to find the article
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I think Green starts  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:08 am : link
with CC to follow. May be the reason he pulled Green at 26 pitches for Ottavino in the 5th. Green was dealing.

Stanton - I just don't know what is the deal. Hurt his knee rounding 2nd, then a quad running out a grounder. I'd wait it out for now. Next most logical choice is Voit??
Still mad  
GruningsOnTheHill : 10/15/2019 8:11 am : link
that they weren't able to capitalize and steal game 2.

Today feels like a must-win game against a pitcher who is 18-0 since May and has given up more than 2 runs in a game just once in that time frame. Hopefully Severino is at the top of his game.
RE: I think Green starts  
GruningsOnTheHill : 10/15/2019 8:13 am : link
In comment 14629116 section125 said:
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with CC to follow. May be the reason he pulled Green at 26 pitches for Ottavino in the 5th. Green was dealing.

Stanton - I just don't know what is the deal. Hurt his knee rounding 2nd, then a quad running out a grounder. I'd wait it out for now. Next most logical choice is Voit??


At this juncture, I like Mike Ford over Voit. He's a lefty with a good eye at the plate and a knack for clutch hits.
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 8:24 am : link
I agree with section - I think it'd be Chad Green to open Game 4. I also think Stanton will be in the lineup today.

Tomorrow kind of looks like a definite rainout - I'd think that benefits us since we're clearly going to need our leverage relievers today. An off day tomorrow would help give us more ammo for Game 4 out of the pen.
RE: RE: I think Green starts  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:29 am : link
In comment 14629122 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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with CC to follow. May be the reason he pulled Green at 26 pitches for Ottavino in the 5th. Green was dealing.

Stanton - I just don't know what is the deal. Hurt his knee rounding 2nd, then a quad running out a grounder. I'd wait it out for now. Next most logical choice is Voit??



At this juncture, I like Mike Ford over Voit. He's a lefty with a good eye at the plate and a knack for clutch hits.


Lefty means nothing. But he does seem to be one of the very few Yankees that can hit a high FB. High FB is Verlander's and Cole's bread and butter.
Torres can too. Really surprised he did not get one against Verlander, whose velocity is down sitting 94 vs 96.
If it rains tomorrow,  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:31 am : link
why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?
314 did a little analysis  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:37 am : link
And suggested that, based on batting heat maps, that Gardner and Encarnacion should sit as neither of them historically do much with high heat. Suggested lineup of Hicks in center, Maybin in left, and Stanton DH.
Assuming no rain out tomorrow  
Tuckrule : 10/15/2019 8:45 am : link
And itís a bullpen game. How does that effect the bullpen usage tonight? Heís the first out of the pen?
RE: If it rains tomorrow,  
Eli Wilson : 10/15/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14629140 section125 said:
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why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?


That's what I was thinking. Tanaka should be plenty rested after only throwing 68 pitches.
RE: If it rains tomorrow,  
Ira : 10/15/2019 8:46 am : link
In comment 14629140 section125 said:
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why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?


If there's a rainout tomorrow, I think it'll Tanaka vs Greinke on Thursday. Both pitchers will have four days rest, so why would either team not use them.
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 8:47 am : link
Paxton's short outing should make him available on Thursday I would think... I'd definitely consider starting him on 3 DR or working him into that game if tomorrow gets rained out. He only threw 51 pitches.
RE: 314 did a little analysis  
section125 : 10/15/2019 8:47 am : link
In comment 14629152 Greg from LI said:
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And suggested that, based on batting heat maps, that Gardner and Encarnacion should sit as neither of them historically do much with high heat. Suggested lineup of Hicks in center, Maybin in left, and Stanton DH.


I can believe that.
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 8:48 am : link
Tanaka makes sense too.
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section125 : 10/15/2019 8:49 am : link
In comment 14629170 arcarsenal said:
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Paxton's short outing should make him available on Thursday I would think... I'd definitely consider starting him on 3 DR or working him into that game if tomorrow gets rained out. He only threw 51 pitches.


I think the short rest would actually help Paxton. He seems to overthrow his offspeed stuff.
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section125 : 10/15/2019 8:51 am : link
In comment 14629173 arcarsenal said:
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Tanaka makes sense too.


And I think makes him available for game 7...
Bottom line is they have to get a quality start from Paxton  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:51 am : link
Or all of this is moot anyway. He has the ability, just has to perform.
RE: RE: 314 did a little analysis  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14629172 section125 said:
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And suggested that, based on batting heat maps, that Gardner and Encarnacion should sit as neither of them historically do much with high heat. Suggested lineup of Hicks in center, Maybin in left, and Stanton DH.



I can believe that.


I would sit Encarnacion for sure, he's really struggled with the velocity. If Stanton can go that's a logical swap to at least protect his legs somewhat as a DH. I still think you have to keep Gardner in there. He's one of the few that had consistent ABs in game 2. Left/Right advantage. I'd go Hicks in CF and Gardner in LF
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 8:53 am : link
In comment 14629174 section125 said:
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Paxton's short outing should make him available on Thursday I would think... I'd definitely consider starting him on 3 DR or working him into that game if tomorrow gets rained out. He only threw 51 pitches.



I think the short rest would actually help Paxton. He seems to overthrow his offspeed stuff.


Agreed.
here's the data they used  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:55 am : link
Stanton's not great on pitches up in the zone, either, but a bit better than Eddie and Eddie has looked utterly lost in the last two games anyway.

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Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:55 am : link
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Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:56 am : link
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Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:56 am : link
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Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 8:57 am : link


Hicks' image uses 2018 stats as well to get a larger sample
Surprised by Gardy's chart.  
section125 : 10/15/2019 9:01 am : link
He is pretty deadly on inside pitches and not so good away. Trouble with BB down and in.
I'm just glad today's game is 4 for a change  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 9:03 am : link
so I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour. I'm sure I wasn't the only one dragging yesterday
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section125 : 10/15/2019 9:03 am : link
In comment 14629193 Greg from LI said:
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Hicks' image uses 2018 stats as well to get a larger sample


Is that for righty or lefty at bats? It should make a difference. Can you trust a chart that uses data from last year and how has the layoff affected that?
Greg  
Tuckrule : 10/15/2019 9:12 am : link
awesome stuff! Thanks for posting
RE: I'm just glad today's game is 4 for a change  
BigBlue2112 : 10/15/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14629201 mfsd said:
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so I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour. I'm sure I wasn't the only one dragging yesterday


Gotta disagree here. Something about a night playoff game creates a far better atmosphere and tougher on the opponents. Just an opinion.
I have a sinking feeling that this team  
rnargi : 10/15/2019 9:28 am : link
Is going to lament their inability to scratch out 1 run between the 7th and 10th innings on Sunday for a very long time.
RE: I have a sinking feeling that this team  
section125 : 10/15/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14629221 rnargi said:
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Is going to lament their inability to scratch out 1 run between the 7th and 10th innings on Sunday for a very long time.


Well yeah, up 2-0 vs 1-1. But if you did not know how the results occurred, would you not have been super happy to have the Yanks leave Houston 1-1 before the series started? Was that not the goal? Yes our pessimistic side will always lament what could have been. 2-0 would have been gravy.
Don't be a pussy  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 9:43 am : link
Leave the defeatist talk for the sorryass Giants.
Hicks is gonna start  
Dankbeerman : 10/15/2019 10:06 am : link
thats why hes on the roster. Boone wants an outfield of Gardy Hicks Judge at the stadium. He is not playing EE over Urshella right now either as he isnt hitting enough to warrant it.

the questuon is Stanton vs Edwin at DH. If stanton can go he plays
RE: RE: If it rains tomorrow,  
Dankbeerman : 10/15/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14629169 Ira said:
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why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?



If there's a rainout tomorrow, I think it'll Tanaka vs Greinke on Thursday. Both pitchers will have four days rest, so why would either team not use them.


If it rains tommorow you lose the off day. will have 4 games in a row with only 3 starters. Sevy isnt gonna pitch on short rest so he cant go before game 7. Would also need your bullpen fresh enough for the other 3 games. Almost have to go to Happ or Cc with an opener somwwhere in 4-6. would think it has tk be at home and depends on if the win tonight.

RE: Hicks is gonna start  
section125 : 10/15/2019 10:15 am : link
In comment 14629271 Dankbeerman said:
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thats why hes on the roster. Boone wants an outfield of Gardy Hicks Judge at the stadium. He is not playing EE over Urshella right now either as he isnt hitting enough to warrant it.

the question is Stanton vs Edwin at DH. If stanton can go he plays


You may be right on the defensive alignment, but it all comes down to analytics - percentages of advantage. Gardy-Hicks-Judge is by far their best defense OF and Urshela-Didi-Torres-DJLM is the best IF alignment. It does come down to EE vs GS at DH.
I'm still believing that Gary is going to start hitting. He had a RC single game one. He had great ABs game 2. I think his confidence is now back. He just looks ready to deliver.
RE: I'm just glad today's game is 4 for a change  
Jim in Tampa : 10/15/2019 10:18 am : link
In comment 14629201 mfsd said:
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so I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour. I'm sure I wasn't the only one dragging yesterday

Much prefer the early start as well.

Fans shouldn't have to stay up until 1 AM to watch their team play a game.
RE: RE: I'm just glad today's game is 4 for a change  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 10:25 am : link
In comment 14629287 Jim in Tampa said:
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so I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour. I'm sure I wasn't the only one dragging yesterday


Much prefer the early start as well.

Fans shouldn't have to stay up until 1 AM to watch their team play a game.


color me annoyed...i won't be able to watch until about 6..small price to pay but whatever. I'll just have to listen in the car.
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section125 : 10/15/2019 10:28 am : link
In comment 14629301 Jints in Carolina said:
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so I'll get to sleep at a reasonable hour. I'm sure I wasn't the only one dragging yesterday


Much prefer the early start as well.

Fans shouldn't have to stay up until 1 AM to watch their team play a game.



color me annoyed...i won't be able to watch until about 6..small price to pay but whatever. I'll just have to listen in the car.


Loved the 6:35 starts....but the league and TV contracts dictate start times.
RE: Don't be a pussy  
rnargi : 10/15/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14629239 Greg from LI said:
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Leave the defeatist talk for the sorryass Giants.


Not being a pussy, and yes leaving 1-1 was indeed the goal. I'm rooting as hard as the rest of you. Let's go, Yanks!
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Eman11 : 10/15/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14629132 arcarsenal said:
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I agree with section - I think it'd be Chad Green to open Game 4. I also think Stanton will be in the lineup today.

Tomorrow kind of looks like a definite rainout - I'd think that benefits us since we're clearly going to need our leverage relievers today. An off day tomorrow would help give us more ammo for Game 4 out of the pen.


If tomorrow gets rained out I can see Boone going back to Masa for game four on Thursday or even Pax since he didn't throw much Sunday night.

Either way a rainout helps because we could potentially throw Sevy, Masa and Paxton in games 3,4,and 5.
RE: Don't be a pussy  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 11:09 am : link
In comment 14629239 Greg from LI said:
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Leave the defeatist talk for the sorryass Giants.


Funny how Bleedblue isn't here now but you can be damn sure at the first sign of something not going our way tonight, he'll be chiming in.
RE: RE: Don't be a pussy  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 11:35 am : link
In comment 14629369 Eman11 said:
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Leave the defeatist talk for the sorryass Giants.



Funny how Bleedblue isn't here now but you can be damn sure at the first sign of something not going our way tonight, he'll be chiming in.



I'm right here dude.

I don't know why you guys think about me so much. I'm flattered really.

Truth is....I just speak facts. I am sorry if you don't like hearing the fact that if we can't get much from our starters we won't win.
I am a realist. I will be rooting as hard as all of you and I have confidence in the lineup and pen, but the SP leaves alot to be desired. I think tonight is going to be insanely tough game to win(part of reason I was so pissed he lost game 2).
I am not going to blow the team no matter how they play. It's so funny because I was first to say Didi, sanchez, EE look lost at plate and like 5 of you jumped on me calling me names and shit like 5 year olds. Then about 10+ people said it after me....and NOBODY gave them shit. I've coached baseball for 15+ years. It's obviously those 3 aren't having good ABs and they need to change approach. I was encouraged by sanchezs last AB though as it seemed he was seeing the ball better.

Again...it's not whining, it's calling it like I see it, sorry if it hurts your feelings but I don't wear Rose colored glasses. The Yanks starting pitching will prob be the reason they don't win if they lose. That being said if that's what happens i will root hard as hell and hope they get Cole in off-season.

All that aside...go Yankees!
RE: Still mad  
Dave in PA : 10/15/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14629119 GruningsOnTheHill said:
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that they weren't able to capitalize and steal game 2.

Today feels like a must-win game against a pitcher who is 18-0 since May and has given up more than 2 runs in a game just once in that time frame. Hopefully Severino is at the top of his game.
I think today is the only game in this entire series that should NOT be viewed as must win. Cole is dominant. Sure the Yankees can find a way to win this game, but the expectation should be an afternoon of 10+ Kís and a ton of frustration. Games 4 and 5 are absolutely must win. Then we cycle back to Paxton, who needs to have a career defining moment back in Houston.
RE: If it rains tomorrow,  
JeffAces28 : 10/15/2019 11:40 am : link
In comment 14629140 section125 said:
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why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?


If game is PPD tomorrow they will most likely go with Tanaka on full rest
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BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 11:42 am : link
In comment 14629418 JeffAces28 said:
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why not go with Tanaka or Paxton and skip the BP?



If game is PPD tomorrow they will most likely go with Tanaka on full rest



They 100% should. If we lose today game 4 vs grienke is a must win imo
4pm start  
JeffAces28 : 10/15/2019 11:44 am : link
kind of stinks if you work until 5pm.
No Stanton, Hicks starts in center, Gardy in left, Edwin DH.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
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Stanton still out  
Mad Mike : 10/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
Hicks in CF, EE at DH.
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Eman11 : 10/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
In comment 14629411 BleedBlue said:
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Leave the defeatist talk for the sorryass Giants.



Funny how Bleedblue isn't here now but you can be damn sure at the first sign of something not going our way tonight, he'll be chiming in.




I'm right here dude.

I don't know why you guys think about me so much. I'm flattered really.

Truth is....I just speak facts. I am sorry if you don't like hearing the fact that if we can't get much from our starters we won't win.
I am a realist. I will be rooting as hard as all of you and I have confidence in the lineup and pen, but the SP leaves alot to be desired. I think tonight is going to be insanely tough game to win(part of reason I was so pissed he lost game 2).
I am not going to blow the team no matter how they play. It's so funny because I was first to say Didi, sanchez, EE look lost at plate and like 5 of you jumped on me calling me names and shit like 5 year olds. Then about 10+ people said it after me....and NOBODY gave them shit. I've coached baseball for 15+ years. It's obviously those 3 aren't having good ABs and they need to change approach. I was encouraged by sanchezs last AB though as it seemed he was seeing the ball better.

Again...it's not whining, it's calling it like I see it, sorry if it hurts your feelings but I don't wear Rose colored glasses. The Yanks starting pitching will prob be the reason they don't win if they lose. That being said if that's what happens i will root hard as hell and hope they get Cole in off-season.

All that aside...go Yankees!


I'm not gonna rehash all the bs from the other night but it certainly was whining. You came into the thread not an hour into the game shitting on the Yanks and saying how the Stros would win the WS.

There were no facts involved at all in that post. Just negative bullshit while most of us here were trying to be positive and enjoy the game. Others voiced opinions on moves but your posts were more than that and you saying you were "only" posting facts isn't 100% true no matter how many times you say it.
Fair or unfair, Stanton's gonna get a lot of shit for this.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 12:28 pm : link
Hicks begged his way onto the roster with a torn elbow tendon, CC's shoulder and knee are held together by duct tape at this point, Didi finished the ALDS last season after blowing out his elbow early in the series. Not a good look for the guy with the biggest contract on the team.
What a bad year for Stanton.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 12:32 pm : link
And now he's going to look like a pussy from the fans' perspective. Woof. I like Stanton, but I wouldn't be opposed to trying to find a trade partner for him next season. Not that I expect it to happen. Doubt any team out there wants to take on that contract.
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