Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

If the Eagles offered us a 3rd round pick

JoeyBigBlue : 10/15/2019 11:52 am
For Janoris Jenkins, would you do it? Why or why? Discuss.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
Quote:
Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.


A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.
If we were 0-6? Maybe.  
Chris684 : 10/15/2019 12:20 pm : link
Now? No way in hell.

We are one game out in the division. We are obviously not winning the Super Bowl this year, but if this division wants to allow us to back into a 9-7 division title while we're still a year away from truly competing, I'll take it.
RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14629489 Tesla said:
Quote:


Quote:


Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.


Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?
No, and to think that Giants would at this point  
barens : 10/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
is nuts. I don't know why people are so willing to throw away this season already, they only lost 4 games, and the last two were to really good teams, when they were clearly not at their strongest.

May be a little optimistic, but even as an organization, only having played 2 division games, none against the Eagles, and we are going to make them stronger, all for a lousy low end third round pick?

Forget it.
What is the dead money in 2020  
NYG007 : 10/15/2019 12:40 pm : link
According to over the cap, its 3.5m I believe, and a savings of 11.5

That is worth it, thought I hate more and more dead money into 2020.
You'll get what we got for Snacks  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/15/2019 12:43 pm : link
5th, if that
You absolutely can't do this, their secondary is their achilles heel  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 12:45 pm : link
and doing anything to shore that up makes them SB contenders. Thank God Khan stepped in and smoothed things over with Ramsey.
RE: You'll get what we got for Snacks  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:46 pm : link
In comment 14629540 GiantsRage2007 said:
Quote:
5th, if that


I disagree. IIRC, Snacks had the same 1.5 years remaining on his deal at roughly the same amount of cap cost to the acquiring team (I think Jenkins is $1.5-2M more). But DTs are valued far less than CBs, particularly a DT that only plays 50% of the D snaps.
Apple is a mediocre number 2 corner, getting a 4th for him was a good  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 12:47 pm : link
deal.
.  
arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 12:50 pm : link
Fuck helping the Eagles. We're 1 game out. Win some football games and stay in this race. I'm tired of relegating every year to losing. Go out and win.
they need some kind of vet presence  
japanhead : 10/15/2019 12:52 pm : link
in the secondary. even if jenkins isn't the ideal mentor type, you can't just have all first-year players back there. beal might see his first game action in two years and now people want to unload our only good veteran corner for a 3rd- and to the eagles? give me a break.
If it's a 3rd rounder I would do it  
Rudy5757 : 10/15/2019 12:52 pm : link
Jenkins is not part of the rebuild. He will have to be replaced either next season or the following season so getting a 3rd could be a good value even if it is the eagles.

We have Beal coming back and Ballentine showed some promise in preseason so I would like to see what we have. Yes we are 1 game out but realistically we are behind 12 teams for 6 playoff spots. Our chances are not great from an NFC wildcard standpoint and we are 3rd in a division behind 2 teams that have better rosters.

You trade players when they are not in the future plan and this would be a prime example of a guy that has been a good Giant but no longer part of the solution. Our season will not be won or lost because we traded away Jenkins but we may be able to get a better idea of what we have in Beal an Ballentine to see if they really are potential starters in this league.
RE: RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14629507 giants#1 said:
Quote:
In comment 14629489 Tesla said:


Quote:




Quote:


Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.



Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?


There are no comparable trades because no other GM's don't give up on 10th overall draft picks who's shown promise with 3 years left on their rookie deals. Ca you show me any GM that has made such a trade?
I don't like Jenkins  
Go Terps : 10/15/2019 12:58 pm : link
But I'm not selling off pieces when we're one game back in the divisional race.

It is incredible how comfortable we've become with losing.
Trade with a divison opponent? Now that is truly some kind of stupid!  
SterlingArcher : 10/15/2019 1:01 pm : link
.
Why not  
JerryNicklebag : 10/15/2019 1:05 pm : link
try to trade him back to the Rams? They just put Talib on IR.

Might be worth a phone call.
RE: RE: You'll get what we got for Snacks  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/15/2019 1:05 pm : link
In comment 14629544 giants#1 said:
Quote:
In comment 14629540 GiantsRage2007 said:


Quote:


5th, if that



I disagree. IIRC, Snacks had the same 1.5 years remaining on his deal at roughly the same amount of cap cost to the acquiring team (I think Jenkins is $1.5-2M more). But DTs are valued far less than CBs, particularly a DT that only plays 50% of the D snaps.


I hear what you are saying...but I'm factoring in Snacks being very very good at what he does (or did) a run stopping 2 down DT, and Jackrabbit aint exactly lighting the world on fire in the secondary. I'd argue he's in the bottom half of corners right now. He's not a shutdown corner.

Gun to my head I bet we hang on to him, if we lose the next 2... all bets are off.
RE: RE: RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14629554 Tesla said:
Quote:
In comment 14629507 giants#1 said:


Quote:


In comment 14629489 Tesla said:


Quote:




Quote:


Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.



Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?



There are no comparable trades because no other GM's don't give up on 10th overall draft picks who's shown promise with 3 years left on their rookie deals. Ca you show me any GM that has made such a trade?


Well the Rams traded Greg Robinson (2nd overall) for a 6th round pick. He had 1 full year + option remaining.

The Browns traded Corey Coleman (15th overall) after 2 seasons for a 7th round pick (in the subsequent draft).

Justin Gilbert (8th overall) was traded after just one season for a future 6th round pick.
Eli Apple was a promising corner? He is exactly as advertised at OSU  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 1:15 pm : link
a handsy corner with zero ball skills. He was so promising they declined the option on him.
A second rounder at the minimum from those bastards  
buddyryansux10 : 10/15/2019 1:15 pm : link
That said, I think it is a fair possibility it could happen. Howie listens to the fan base (sometimes to his detriment), and they are clamoring for CB help. If they can't/don't get Jalen Ramsey ( think 2 firsts was the unofficial asking price ), they won't care about a theoretically low second rounder.
RE: Man  
Big Blue '56 : 10/15/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.


Thank you..JFC!
RE: Man  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/15/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.


A-fucking-men.
Umm  
mdthedream : 10/15/2019 2:01 pm : link
its not like he is that good. So yes I would trade him for a 3rd to Philly.
Us being one game back in the division is Fool's Gold.  
No Where Man : 10/15/2019 2:03 pm : link
we are not ready to compete yet. Trade JJ for what you can get and don't look back.
RE: Us being one game back in the division is Fool's Gold.  
MotownGIANTS : 10/15/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14629633 No Where Man said:
Quote:
we are not ready to compete yet. Trade JJ for what you can get and don't look back.


I want to say this as well ... BUT you want to keep morale up and a vet CB is not a bad move ... his contract is still cheap he has 1 or 2 yrs left...his early issues was mental not physical
RE: I don't like Jenkins  
WillVAB : 10/15/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14629555 Go Terps said:
Quote:
But I'm not selling off pieces when we're one game back in the divisional race.

It is incredible how comfortable we've become with losing.


Exactly. People act like the Giants are 4 games back and winless. Loser mentality around here.
Our young CBs need to learn on-the-job....  
No Where Man : 10/15/2019 2:13 pm : link
I would trade him if they have the opportunity to do so.
A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
M.S. : 10/15/2019 2:22 pm : link

Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.
Please stop with this 3 years  
Big Blue '56 : 10/15/2019 2:39 pm : link
away bullshit.
I'd do it for the sheer  
Dnew15 : 10/15/2019 2:41 pm : link
fact that JJ isn't that good anymore.
Ummm, no  
Rong5611 : 10/15/2019 2:42 pm : link
Not to the Eagles, not to anybody at this point.

While I don't think we will win the division, we are still in this thing.

RE: A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14629651 M.S. said:
Quote:

Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.


No team is 3 years away in the NFL. Especially with a young QB on a rookie deal. The Giants should be operating as if they're a year away tops. The idea of being 3 years away is an excuse people put in their heads to justify losing football. The NFL doesn't work this way anymore.
I wouldn't give the Eagles  
HoustonGiant : 10/15/2019 2:45 pm : link
anything....ever....
RE: RE: A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14629680 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
In comment 14629651 M.S. said:


Quote:



Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.



No team is 3 years away in the NFL. Especially with a young QB on a rookie deal. The Giants should be operating as if they're a year away tops. The idea of being 3 years away is an excuse people put in their heads to justify losing football. The NFL doesn't work this way anymore.


And further to this, this is why it drives me nuts about the idea of keeping Shurmur around next season even if we lose double digit games again this year. It would be wasting a year.
I'd agree to a 3rd for JJ  
Section331 : 10/15/2019 3:00 pm : link
from any team not in the NFCE, but I'd up it to a 2nd for the Eagles or Cowboys.
2018 Ravens  
Go Terps : 10/15/2019 3:05 pm : link
Look at what the Ravens did last year as an example. They entered the season with a fading vet QB in Flacco and a rookie QB in Jackson. In week 9 they lost to the Steelers (in Baltimore) to drop to 4-5. The Steelers improved to 5-2-1.

So to summarize, the Ravens entered their week 10 bye coming off a home loss that pushed a division rival to 2.5 games ahead of them in the loss column. That is a far worse situation than the one in which the Giants find themselves now. Baltimore went on to win the division with a 10-6 record to Pittsburgh's 9-6-1.

The Giants are very much in the race, and should act accordingly. And if they falter to a 6 win season, people should be held accountable starting with the GM and head coach.
Would I offer a hated division rival intimate details about...  
Bramton1 : 10/15/2019 3:23 pm : link
...our defense for a third round pick?

Hell no.
The fan obsession  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/15/2019 3:39 pm : link
with trading away players is getting silly.
RE: Man  
Reale01 : 10/15/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.


YES!

We are one game out of first. This kind of talk is disheartening. I am not saying we are good, but lets give it a chance fellas.

RE: I would even take a 4th for him....  
gmenatlarge : 10/15/2019 5:55 pm : link
In comment 14629458 No Where Man said:
Quote:
Time to play Ballantine/Beal, also we would not have to pay for the 2nd half of his salary


Uh, who cares about saving the second half of his salary?
RE: RE: Man  
Bluesbreaker : 10/15/2019 8:17 pm : link
In comment 14629589 Big Blue '56 said:
Quote:
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:


Quote:


I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.



Thank you..JFC!

What a difference a game makes .! After watching the hapless
Jets beat the almighty Cowboys and The Eagles getting
smoked by Minnesota the Bye week was a welcome Jones can
shake the two losses where I am sure he learned a bit more
and a chance to heal up and get some weapons back
Lets see if we can win a few more and stay in this
thing seen enough losing .Lets be ready for the Cards and
get back on track .!
RE: The fan obsession  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/15/2019 9:30 pm : link
In comment 14629728 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
Quote:
with trading away players is getting silly.


But draft picks!!!
RE: RE: A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
M.S. : 10/16/2019 7:00 am : link
In comment 14629680 Danny Kanell said:
Quote:
In comment 14629651 M.S. said:


Quote:



Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.



No team is 3 years away in the NFL. Especially with a young QB on a rookie deal. The Giants should be operating as if they're a year away tops. The idea of being 3 years away is an excuse people put in their heads to justify losing football. The NFL doesn't work this way anymore.

Giants 2013-2019 (six-plus years) 40-62 (.392 winning percentage)
...  
christian : 10/16/2019 7:24 am : link
The biggest factor is are you going to pay Jenkins 15M again next year to be an average corner. If not, getting some comp vs. just cutting him is the right answer.
RE: ...  
section125 : 10/16/2019 7:32 am : link
In comment 14630495 christian said:
Quote:
The biggest factor is are you going to pay Jenkins 15M again next year to be an average corner. If not, getting some comp vs. just cutting him is the right answer.


I doubt Jenkins is here next year. They save $11.5 mill letting him go. They eat $3.5 in dead cap for the bonus paid out.
For what he has done this year, they either play one of the young guys or get a vet to play there for a lot less.

Yes, I would trade him, but seeing the Cowboys and Eagles are playing poorly, I doubt they do.
RE: RE: The fan obsession  
TheMick7 : 10/16/2019 9:01 am : link
In comment 14630391 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 14629728 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


Quote:


with trading away players is getting silly.



But draft picks!!!


Don't know if a draft pick is the priority but if you've drafted Beal,Ballentine & Love &,as of yet,they've seen no defensive snaps-what gets them on the field? And,if we are a year away as most say,with all the kids we've drafted needing experience then how do they get that experience w/o getting defensive snaps? Sure,I'd like to sneak in & possibly win the conference at 9-7,but that would mean going 7-3 the rest of the way,best case scenario! So,it boils down to short term vs long term goals this season. I don't know which is best,but I do know we have to play these kids going forward!
I would trade JJ for a 3rd  
mphbullet36 : 10/16/2019 10:21 am : link
Not only do we add another draft asset next year (most likely 3 3rds next year if you assume we get a 3rd for Collins compensatory pick). We also need to see if Sam Beal and Corey Ballentine can play. If they can play we donít have to pump money into corner next year in FA. We can focus on FS and linebackers (inside and outside). If Beal proves he canít stay healthy and ballentine looks overwhelmed
We probably need to sign a starter corner alongside barker.

If not we probably can get away with a barker, Beal, ballentine, love corner group next year with maybe one vet.

Not only do I want the draft asset I want to free up minutes for the young guys to get snaps over the 2nd half of the year.
RE: RE: The fan obsession  
mphbullet36 : 10/16/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14630391 Ten Ton Hammer said:
Quote:
In comment 14629728 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


Quote:


with trading away players is getting silly.



But draft picks!!!


Who needs middle round draft picks!!! I donít know itís only how the pats has supplemented there dynasty over the past 15 years.
If the Eagles offered a 3rd round pick  
ghost718 : 10/16/2019 10:44 am : link
Send it back

Whatever you set his value as  
Carl in CT : 10/16/2019 11:19 am : link
You subtract a round for a division team. IE if the value is a 3rd round. In the division you would need a 2.
Pages: 1 2 <<Prev | Show All |
Back to the Corner