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If the Eagles offered us a 3rd round pick

JoeyBigBlue : 10/15/2019 11:52 am
For Janoris Jenkins, would you do it? Why or why? Discuss.
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yes,  
Gordo : 10/15/2019 11:55 am : link
we are not doing anything this year. JJ is close to the cliff. He probably has only another solid year in him. and Gettlemen has shown so far that he can find talent outside of round 1.
I would need a 1st and a 3rd from the Eagles.  
MOOPS : 10/15/2019 11:55 am : link
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Yes  
jc in c-ville : 10/15/2019 11:56 am : link
We need to continue to insert youth with our DB’s and are headed in that direction, clearly. He is not the same player and a 3rd for him today would be a coup.
Man  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 11:58 am : link
I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.
I would personally want a 2nd  
JoeyBigBlue : 10/15/2019 11:58 am : link
So I’m saying no. I hate helping out that franchise.
I would even take a 4th for him....  
No Where Man : 10/15/2019 11:59 am : link
Time to play Ballantine/Beal, also we would not have to pay for the 2nd half of his salary
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 12:00 pm : link
No fucking way. He is still playing at high level and who plays opposite of Baker? We are already struggling to stop pass. You want to decrease the talent there? We a game out.

A first from Philly a 2 or 3 from anyone else lol
A three???  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 12:01 pm : link
Would easily take that. JJ is going to play how many more seasons......two/three tops at a this level? That might be a stretch.

But I think JJ's market is more around a 4th or 5th IMO...........
No  
TyreeHelmet : 10/15/2019 12:02 pm : link
Not helping out a division rival. Corners are so hard to find.
I Think Gettleman Personally Drives Him To Philly  
Trainmaster : 10/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
for a 3rd rounder.

Last of the “quit on the team / bad culture guys” from the R**s* / Mc*D** era.
RE: A three???  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
In comment 14629462 BillKo said:
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Would easily take that. JJ is going to play how many more seasons......two/three tops at a this level? That might be a stretch.

But I think JJ's market is more around a 4th or 5th IMO...........


Eli Apple fetched a 4th. No way Jenkins doesn't get at least that.
Two things  
djstat : 10/15/2019 12:05 pm : link
1. They are bot going to

2. Hell yes I would take a 3rd round pick to unload him.
RE: RE: A three???  
djstat : 10/15/2019 12:06 pm : link
In comment 14629467 giants#1 said:
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Would easily take that. JJ is going to play how many more seasons......two/three tops at a this level? That might be a stretch.

But I think JJ's market is more around a 4th or 5th IMO...........



Eli Apple fetched a 4th. No way Jenkins doesn't get at least that.
Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option. JJ is a vet on an over paid contract. Take a business class
RE: RE: RE: A three???  
BillKo : 10/15/2019 12:08 pm : link
In comment 14629471 djstat said:
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Would easily take that. JJ is going to play how many more seasons......two/three tops at a this level? That might be a stretch.

But I think JJ's market is more around a 4th or 5th IMO...........



Eli Apple fetched a 4th. No way Jenkins doesn't get at least that.

Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option. JJ is a vet on an over paid contract. Take a business class


LOL..before I could type it........exactly right.

As someone said, a three for JJ and you drive him there.............
3rd seems like the right  
ryanmkeane : 10/15/2019 12:10 pm : link
value for Jenkins. I would probably do it and I would stand firm on the 3rd.
I'm not trading our best cb to a divisin rival for a 3  
PatersonPlank : 10/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
no way
RE: RE: RE: A three???  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:14 pm : link
In comment 14629471 djstat said:
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Would easily take that. JJ is going to play how many more seasons......two/three tops at a this level? That might be a stretch.

But I think JJ's market is more around a 4th or 5th IMO...........



Eli Apple fetched a 4th. No way Jenkins doesn't get at least that.

Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option. JJ is a vet on an over paid contract. Take a business class


Jenkins is still a much better CB than Apple. And his contract would not be exorbitant for a team acquiring him. Learn something about football.
also  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:17 pm : link
the option year for Apple would've been ~$13.5M (see Ramsey) which is more than Jenkins costs. Obviously the Saints declined it.
It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 12:19 pm : link
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Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.


A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.
If we were 0-6? Maybe.  
Chris684 : 10/15/2019 12:20 pm : link
Now? No way in hell.

We are one game out in the division. We are obviously not winning the Super Bowl this year, but if this division wants to allow us to back into a 9-7 division title while we're still a year away from truly competing, I'll take it.
RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:25 pm : link
In comment 14629489 Tesla said:
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Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.


Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?
No, and to think that Giants would at this point  
barens : 10/15/2019 12:33 pm : link
is nuts. I don't know why people are so willing to throw away this season already, they only lost 4 games, and the last two were to really good teams, when they were clearly not at their strongest.

May be a little optimistic, but even as an organization, only having played 2 division games, none against the Eagles, and we are going to make them stronger, all for a lousy low end third round pick?

Forget it.
What is the dead money in 2020  
NYG007 : 10/15/2019 12:40 pm : link
According to over the cap, its 3.5m I believe, and a savings of 11.5

That is worth it, thought I hate more and more dead money into 2020.
You'll get what we got for Snacks  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/15/2019 12:43 pm : link
5th, if that
You absolutely can't do this, their secondary is their achilles heel  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 12:45 pm : link
and doing anything to shore that up makes them SB contenders. Thank God Khan stepped in and smoothed things over with Ramsey.
RE: You'll get what we got for Snacks  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 12:46 pm : link
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5th, if that


I disagree. IIRC, Snacks had the same 1.5 years remaining on his deal at roughly the same amount of cap cost to the acquiring team (I think Jenkins is $1.5-2M more). But DTs are valued far less than CBs, particularly a DT that only plays 50% of the D snaps.
Apple is a mediocre number 2 corner, getting a 4th for him was a good  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 12:47 pm : link
deal.
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 12:50 pm : link
Fuck helping the Eagles. We're 1 game out. Win some football games and stay in this race. I'm tired of relegating every year to losing. Go out and win.
they need some kind of vet presence  
japanhead : 10/15/2019 12:52 pm : link
in the secondary. even if jenkins isn't the ideal mentor type, you can't just have all first-year players back there. beal might see his first game action in two years and now people want to unload our only good veteran corner for a 3rd- and to the eagles? give me a break.
If it's a 3rd rounder I would do it  
Rudy5757 : 10/15/2019 12:52 pm : link
Jenkins is not part of the rebuild. He will have to be replaced either next season or the following season so getting a 3rd could be a good value even if it is the eagles.

We have Beal coming back and Ballentine showed some promise in preseason so I would like to see what we have. Yes we are 1 game out but realistically we are behind 12 teams for 6 playoff spots. Our chances are not great from an NFC wildcard standpoint and we are 3rd in a division behind 2 teams that have better rosters.

You trade players when they are not in the future plan and this would be a prime example of a guy that has been a good Giant but no longer part of the solution. Our season will not be won or lost because we traded away Jenkins but we may be able to get a better idea of what we have in Beal an Ballentine to see if they really are potential starters in this league.
RE: RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 12:55 pm : link
In comment 14629507 giants#1 said:
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Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.



Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?


There are no comparable trades because no other GM's don't give up on 10th overall draft picks who's shown promise with 3 years left on their rookie deals. Ca you show me any GM that has made such a trade?
I don't like Jenkins  
Go Terps : 10/15/2019 12:58 pm : link
But I'm not selling off pieces when we're one game back in the divisional race.

It is incredible how comfortable we've become with losing.
Trade with a divison opponent? Now that is truly some kind of stupid!  
SterlingArcher : 10/15/2019 1:01 pm : link
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Why not  
JerryNicklebag : 10/15/2019 1:05 pm : link
try to trade him back to the Rams? They just put Talib on IR.

Might be worth a phone call.
RE: RE: You'll get what we got for Snacks  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/15/2019 1:05 pm : link
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5th, if that



I disagree. IIRC, Snacks had the same 1.5 years remaining on his deal at roughly the same amount of cap cost to the acquiring team (I think Jenkins is $1.5-2M more). But DTs are valued far less than CBs, particularly a DT that only plays 50% of the D snaps.


I hear what you are saying...but I'm factoring in Snacks being very very good at what he does (or did) a run stopping 2 down DT, and Jackrabbit aint exactly lighting the world on fire in the secondary. I'd argue he's in the bottom half of corners right now. He's not a shutdown corner.

Gun to my head I bet we hang on to him, if we lose the next 2... all bets are off.
RE: RE: RE: It's regrettable that our GM didn't understand this fact  
giants#1 : 10/15/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14629554 Tesla said:
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Eli Apple was on a rookie contract with two years left including option.



A total joke that we didn't get more than a 4th for Apple.



Wait, you think someone would've given up more for Apple? Based on what? Do you have a comparable trade you can point to where some other GM got substantially more for a comparable player?



There are no comparable trades because no other GM's don't give up on 10th overall draft picks who's shown promise with 3 years left on their rookie deals. Ca you show me any GM that has made such a trade?


Well the Rams traded Greg Robinson (2nd overall) for a 6th round pick. He had 1 full year + option remaining.

The Browns traded Corey Coleman (15th overall) after 2 seasons for a 7th round pick (in the subsequent draft).

Justin Gilbert (8th overall) was traded after just one season for a future 6th round pick.
Eli Apple was a promising corner? He is exactly as advertised at OSU  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 1:15 pm : link
a handsy corner with zero ball skills. He was so promising they declined the option on him.
A second rounder at the minimum from those bastards  
buddyryansux10 : 10/15/2019 1:15 pm : link
That said, I think it is a fair possibility it could happen. Howie listens to the fan base (sometimes to his detriment), and they are clamoring for CB help. If they can't/don't get Jalen Ramsey ( think 2 firsts was the unofficial asking price ), they won't care about a theoretically low second rounder.
RE: Man  
Big Blue '56 : 10/15/2019 1:19 pm : link
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:
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I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.


Thank you..JFC!
RE: Man  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/15/2019 1:40 pm : link
In comment 14629453 Danny Kanell said:
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I know this team is rebuilding but what kind of message does that send to basically sell to a division opponent that we are only 1 game behind 6 weeks in?

Fuck that. Let's stop this mentality and win some football games.


A-fucking-men.
Umm  
mdthedream : 10/15/2019 2:01 pm : link
its not like he is that good. So yes I would trade him for a 3rd to Philly.
Us being one game back in the division is Fool's Gold.  
No Where Man : 10/15/2019 2:03 pm : link
we are not ready to compete yet. Trade JJ for what you can get and don't look back.
RE: Us being one game back in the division is Fool's Gold.  
MotownGIANTS : 10/15/2019 2:06 pm : link
In comment 14629633 No Where Man said:
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we are not ready to compete yet. Trade JJ for what you can get and don't look back.


I want to say this as well ... BUT you want to keep morale up and a vet CB is not a bad move ... his contract is still cheap he has 1 or 2 yrs left...his early issues was mental not physical
RE: I don't like Jenkins  
WillVAB : 10/15/2019 2:09 pm : link
In comment 14629555 Go Terps said:
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But I'm not selling off pieces when we're one game back in the divisional race.

It is incredible how comfortable we've become with losing.


Exactly. People act like the Giants are 4 games back and winless. Loser mentality around here.
Our young CBs need to learn on-the-job....  
No Where Man : 10/15/2019 2:13 pm : link
I would trade him if they have the opportunity to do so.
A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
M.S. : 10/15/2019 2:22 pm : link

Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.
Please stop with this 3 years  
Big Blue '56 : 10/15/2019 2:39 pm : link
away bullshit.
I'd do it for the sheer  
Dnew15 : 10/15/2019 2:41 pm : link
fact that JJ isn't that good anymore.
Ummm, no  
Rong5611 : 10/15/2019 2:42 pm : link
Not to the Eagles, not to anybody at this point.

While I don't think we will win the division, we are still in this thing.

RE: A 3rd for Janoris Jenkins?  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:42 pm : link
In comment 14629651 M.S. said:
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Bye-bye Jackrabbit.

Why?

We are 3 years away from being a serious team which needs to be built through the Draft.


No team is 3 years away in the NFL. Especially with a young QB on a rookie deal. The Giants should be operating as if they're a year away tops. The idea of being 3 years away is an excuse people put in their heads to justify losing football. The NFL doesn't work this way anymore.
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