George Springer (R) RF
Michael Brantley (L) LF
José Altuve (R) 2B
Alex Bregman (R) 3B
Yordan Alvarez (L) DH
Yuli Gurriel (R) 1B
Carlos Correa (R) SS
Robinson Chirinos (R) CA
Jake Marisnick (R) CF
Gerrit Cole (R) PI
if we can rattle Cole a bit, pitching in a truly hostile environment, also considering his interesting history with the Yankees. Minute Maid has been friendly confines for the Astros in the postseason traditionally. But the results have been mixed on the road.
But if we're going to have a shot, we need to take at least 2 out of three in the Bronx. And I am not confident we could go back to back in Games 4 and 5.
But if we're going to have a shot, we need to take at least 2 out of three in the Bronx. And I am not confident we could go back to back in Games 4 and 5.
Every game is winnable and I see no reason to believe we can't win out one game at a time. Let's start tonight.
its not gonna be as easy as its been for Cole. Have a feeling were gonna put some runs up early against him. Sevy needs to get through at least 5 today
can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???
He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...
Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.
Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.
Cheers to that and I hope we do get a positive thread. It's the friggin ALCS and we should all be enjoying this. Save the moaning and groaning for an off season thread.
can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???
He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...
Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.
Yup.
He's 18-0 in his last 24 starts so that tells me 25% of the time he hasn't won.
The day the 2008 MLB draft started, Gerrit Cole, one of the best high school pitchers in the country, went golfing with his friends. He had a fastball that touched the high 90s and all the makings of a front-line starter, but he did not expect to be selected early.
Leading up to the draft, Cole and his handlers had informed every team that he intended to go to UCLA. Scott Boras, Cole’s advisor, had told teams it’d take a “substantial bonus” for him to sign. From what Cole’s camp had been hearing, that message had scared most teams away.
Then the New York Yankees called. Cole’s favorite team had taken him in the first round, No. 28 overall. Cole called his pitching coach, Zak Doan.
“I just remember him screaming, going, ‘What the heck!’ Doan said. “We were all shocked they picked him.”
After much discussion, the Coles decided Gerrit would attend UCLA. He would learn under coach John Savage, work toward a college degree and still be only 20 years old for the 2011 draft. Mark even took out a sizable insurance policy to protect Gerrit in case of injury while in college.
The Coles had been holding firm in that decision until the Yankees called.
“I thought the pick deserved some serious thought,” Gerrit said. “We kind of reevaluated the process after that happened.”
One factor: Gerrit had grown up a huge Yankees fan, with a Derek Jeter poster on his bedroom wall. He had attended Game 7 of the 2001 World Series in Arizona, clutching a sign that read, “Yankee Fan Today, Tomorrow, Forever.” He’d inherited his fandom from his father, who spent part of his childhood in upstate New York.
Ultimately, though, the Coles reached the same conclusion: Gerrit would go to college first.
“We just felt confident sticking with the plan,” he said.
Mark remembers having a conversation with the Yankees about two to three weeks before the signing deadline, and having to break the news. The team wanted to fly to California, meet the Coles, give a sales pitch.
“And I said to them, ‘Since there’s no chance that this is going to happen, Gerrit wants to go to UCLA, there’s no reason to sit down,’ ” Mark said.
He felt as if they would be unfairly leading on the Yankees by even meeting.
“There were never any discussions,” he said. “There was never a meeting. There was never a negotiation.”
Boras said the Yankees made “a very qualified offer.” But Mark maintains that the family never discussed specific dollar figures with the team. In fact, he says, the family never spoke with the Yankees after turning down that meeting.
“There was some disappointment [on the Yankees’ side],” Mark said, “because they wanted to have a chance. But the decision had already been made.”
Boras, Cole’s agent, echoed that sentiment.
“This was not about the Yankees,” he said. “It was really about what’s the best time for Gerrit to enter pro baseball.”
and hopefully they go on a tear but if this team can't string hits together today to knock in some runs, I'm pointing the finger at Boone. I hate this lineup he's rolling out there today.
understand how you go up there hacking after a 4 pitch walk. What the fuck man
Because the pitcher is likely looking to get back on track by throwing a strike. Could be the best pitch of the AB you'll see. With bases loaded if you see a pitch to hit take your chances.
Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..
Bad decision. Best hitter in the postseason, he has to bat third.
I was surprised to see him dropped in the order. Especially since you gotta figure Cole will get some 1-2-3 innings and you want the hot Gleyber getting as many AB's as possible.
Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..
Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..
On cue, the whiny little bitch shows up. Stay away, nobody likes you here. Why would you want to post somewhere where nobody can stand you???
hearing that we could have had Cole for Andujar and Frazier is a real kick in the nuts. To be fair I thought that was way too much to give up for Cole at the time.
hearing that we could have had Cole for Andujar and Frazier is a real kick in the nuts. To be fair I thought that was way too much to give up for Cole at the time.
I thought the same too. But, the pirates gm still took a lesser offer from Houston just because we didn’t give him what he wanted. Their Gm first asked for Torres, then moved to those two. How the hell didn’t he ask Houston for Alvarez, Whitley, or Tucker’s?
I have loved what Gardner has done all year (his best season). I don’t love him against elite pitchers. I would have gone with Maybin over him today. He looks overmatched.
His bitch ass gave up less than an hour into game 2 and had the Astros going to the series.
Lmfao.
If you think batting gardy 3 and EE 4 is a smart move. You don't know much about baseball. Neither guy should be batting there. Torres should be batting third.
Gardy and EE along with Didi and Sanchez are lost at the plate right now....I have been saying this.
EE, Didi and Sanchez have been. Seems like they make zero adjustments and they can't even luck themselves into getting on base. It's just so frustrating to watch. They're better than this.
EE, Didi and Sanchez have been. Seems like they make zero adjustments and they can't even luck themselves into getting on base. It's just so frustrating to watch. They're better than this.
Yea it's bad. They need to change approach. EE needs to see more pitches. Sanchez needs to stop swinging at trash
but wouldnt leave in tanaka in becausr it was 3rd time through the order? why the difference?
Rest is everything for Tanaka. His production falls off as pitch count rises. Sevy is a power guy. He typically gets stronger as game goes on. I don't mind this.
Pitched badly -- badly enough to lose. But he's not who's losing it. The would-be hitters are. They are not getting it done. Big 0 up there is on them, not Sevy.
Pitched badly -- badly enough to lose. But he's not who's losing it. The would-be hitters are. They are not getting it done. Big 0 up there is on them, not Sevy.
Agreed. When you're 3 hitter isn't doing shit it's pretty simple, he shouldn't be batting 3rd. I expected better ABs from EE and Sanchez too
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Not a routine out in the Astros own ballpark. Hell, that ball may have gone out in Houston. Right center very similar dimension wise, and weather playing a role.
Cole thought it was out off the bat. That ball just died.
the delay has no impact on Cole. You never know when a pitcher's arm tightens a little.
Didn't he specifically say the delay does impact him and takes away a potential extra inning that he could throw?
I thought he said that it isn't an issue because it wasn't like a rain delay. It was only a half hour where he said after about 45 minutes you might start to experience issues. I know that when I pitched, long innings would cause me to keep my arm warm, so 30 minutes isn't insignificant.
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?
and he knows the park better than anyone. You can see he was just hoping it was. But it doesn't matter. It's another poor one pitch at bat but I guess I'm wrong about that. The fan police are here to tell us what to think.
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?
I’ve seen that one twitter. If true it’s a problem. Big problem
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.
and he knows the park better than anyone. You can see he was just hoping it was. But it doesn't matter. It's another poor one pitch at bat but I guess I'm wrong about that. The fan police are here to tell us what to think.
Your'e allowed to say and think whatever you like. And we're allowed to tell you that you sound like an idiot.
He pulled Green after 8 pitches. Pulled Kahnle after 7 pitches.
If we do manage to tie this game up we're going to have the same problem as game 2 and will end up losing this game with Cessa/Happ/CC on the mound instead of our elite relievers.
At this point, I’m almost more aggravated that Smoltz and Buck continue to act like Cole is pitching a great game. He has a 1.6 WHIP. He has not been good, and been demonstrably worse than in the regular season.
RE: Didi swung at a FB over the middle of the plate.... Â
this series. what is the point of having a manager if everything is predetermined. Ottavino has been awful this post season, why would you bring him in.
I get that Green/Springer analytically was a terrible matchup. But Green was rolling and it was the right move to judge the situation for what it was. Now, after Ottavino has pitched miserably this post season you go back to him. YOu might have a day off tomorrow, if you want to take Kahnle out how about Britton for one and Chappy for two. End of game and see if you can get the runs to win it.
Still no hitting from the Yankees in their half. So what to do? Otto. Boone's not a quitter, but Otto has been waqy unreliable lately. Now men on first and third, no outs. Have to go back and see what's happened.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.
You’re a fucking moron.
Way to answer the question numb nuts. Are you Boones nephew?
He takes guys out way too soon. Baseball has a feel to it and Boone has NO feel for the game
How the hell is Stanton not in good enough condition Â
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
Is it so hard for you to grasp the fact Green and Kahnle came in and both did their jobs. Next man up Otto is expected to do his and he didn't.
what you expect Sanchez to do with a 94 mph sinker that hits in front of home plate. We're not talking about a breaking ball that you would expect to be in the dirt. Getting your body in front of a spiked sinker ball is next to impossible for a guy his size.
He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.
what you expect Sanchez to do with a 94 mph sinker that hits in front of home plate. We're not talking about a breaking ball that you would expect to be in the dirt. Getting your body in front of a spiked sinker ball is next to impossible for a guy his size.
He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.
I agree. Sanchez isn't to blame.
Boone should have extended green and kahnle.
Whatever you say you fucking know nothing pair of clown shoes Â
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
They're pitching well until they're not pitching well anymore (or face the wrong batter). And by the time you realize it it's too late. 1 or 2 batters late and you're already fucked. That's the name of the game in managing baseball: knowing exactly when to do what. It's not as simple as just "but he got that guy out so let him try to get the next guy out!"
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
You’re still here bitch?
So surprised.
Good thought out response.
Again...green should have gone back out there the next inning. Boone is too much by analytics. You need to have a feel for the game.
How are we still defending Gardner batting 3rd? Anyone?
Couldn't get the big hit, then he settled down the last 2. Not throwing in the towel though. Get some runners on in the 8th and get a rally going off the pen. I've seen many a playoff game here take on a life of their own in the late innings once we get a rally going...
We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.
We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
You're correct, has to be the glove with the ball in it
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.
A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.
A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.
Yeah that's what I've always thought but figured maybe it wasn't the case since I only saw the arm contact EE before he stepped on first. Thought maybe all these years I was mistaken and they consider the arm part of the glove. Lol.
is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
The down the line view isn't where you see it, it's the view from EE's right side where the bottom of the glove appears to pretty clearly bend when it makes contact.
RE: Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense Â
is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!
RE: Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense Â
is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
Sadly, I don’t think the way we operate is gonna change. We’re going to add to the bullpen again, minor moves for the offense, and maybe a cheap starter or trade for a guy who has good stuff and control, but hasn’t blossomed
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is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!
Don't say that guys here suck off Boone and think it was right move.
Jomboy is convinced its conclusive but All I see is the helmet and glove going down but it's either EE ducking or the forearm hitting him. No way I'm convinced its conclusive. Meh its moot we did nothing else. Let's get'em manana
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
RE: All the cockroaches have shown up tonight, I see Â
Why even bother. Best to avoid game threads when all the DBs show up. Why get ajita reading moronic nonsense from all the trolls looking to get under your skin.
the Yankees having a hard time hitting both Verlander and Cole.
The only bit of it that adds insult to injury was that they managed to outlast Verlander and get stymied by their BP, and that Cole looked a bit off today and they couldn't take advantage.
Otherwise, if someone had told you they'd be down 2-1 going into game 4 at YS, I don't think you'd be overly upset or surprised.
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
It has to be. He has flubbed every chance he's gotten in the playoffs, both in the Twins series and this one. Great season but he just isn't getting it done.
Still can't believe Betances tore his Achilles just doing a little jump o the mound.
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
... Glove makes contact with helmet - ( New Window )
I definitely see the helmet move. Something hits his head. I’m not compelled, with certainty, by your GIF that it was his glove. I do think it’s possible.
Either way, it certainly wasn’t the reason the Yankees lost today. Lineup may need a shakeup. Bullpen pecking order needs an evaluation now as well. We are building a sample size on some of these guys. Have to learn from it. Some players are clearly not up to the moment, others are (Hicks, Torres, Judge, DJ, Britton, Chapman, Kahnle, Cessa).
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row
Down 1 - 2 in the series with must win games 4 and 5 is exactly where most people should have reasonably expected this team to be. Just win tomorrow and find a way, any way, to beat one of their aces.
Only down 2-1 and Yanks have the better team and equal number of home games left, and if Yanks make it out of the ALCS they're going to stomp the Nationals easily and win the World Series. I'd say "hopeless" isn't the right word for the Yankees in comparison to the other NY major sports teams.
A manager that did things by judgment and not numbers would have taken Sevy out after the first at the latest. Sevy clearly was not himself -- or what they say is himself. But then what? Our vaunted pen? Exhausted after last night? Not so hot. What could the numbers tell Boone about that in playoff baseball? Might have paralyzed even the sainted Casey, for those of you who remember him. Boone did his best. It was not good enough. Be better tomorrow!
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row
Yes, but I'd rather Verlander in Yankee Stadium to be honest. Like I said, I don't think it matters in Game 4. Game 4 is gravy for the Astros. I think the Yankees roll them early, Hinch will pack up the tent and be sure they are fully loaded for Verlander. It's the type of game where you tap someone on the shoulder, offer them a beer and a handshake and apologize for what their ERA will look like because they will need to soak up 3 or so innings to save the pen and take an assbeating. Whoever is the 11th or 12th man in their pen is going to have to eat a shitburger.
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
He walked tons of guys all year. FIP and xFIP both 1.5-2 runs higher than ERA. His % of runners left on base was almost 10 percentage points higher than the year prior. I’m not saying he isn’t good, but there was a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors on the 1-handle ERA.
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
I've ever watched. Great arm behind the plate, 30+ HR bat, but you watch him day in and day out and...ehh. We desperately need a hot streak from him, not just "good at-bats/he's close."
Game Five would be Friday (if tomorrow is a rain-out), and Verlander would be on full rest. It's just a matter of when Hinch wants to throw a fourth starter - now that's he's up 2-1, he can do whatever he wants.
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?
If the game is rescheduled to Friday, he would get normal rest, he pitched Sunday
Verlander will pitch Friday if there is a rainout. But the Yankees know they have to beat Cole or Verlander once. Do it in Yankee Stadium. Grienke won't get through 3 innings.
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I've ever watched. Great arm behind the plate, 30+ HR bat, but you watch him day in and day out and...ehh. We desperately need a hot streak from him, not just "good at-bats/he's close."
He's been absolutely abysmal this postseason. Disgusting.
Game 2 the bullpen needed to be perfect, and they fell just short. Game 3 Cole left the door open the first 5 innings, but nobody had a big hit in them.
Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.
Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.
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Game 2 the bullpen needed to be perfect, and they fell just short. Game 3 Cole left the door open the first 5 innings, but nobody had a big hit in them.
Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.
Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.
Yup, that was always the case. This has gone pretty much as I thought it would. I thought the Yankees would jump on them in game 1, maybe steal Game 2 if they were lucky (but I thought they'd lose) and I hated facing Cole here in Game 3 and expected a loss. Now, I expected a bullpen game in Game 4, and the Yankees would kick the ever loving shit out of Houston in that game, as the Astros only hope would be to win a slugfest in Yankee Stadium. That wouldn't happen. But regardless, I have no faith in Grienke in Yankee Stadium either, he will fold like he did in Tampa.
Assume a rainout tomorrow. You get Grienke vs. Tanaka and I stand by my thought the Yankees murder them in Game 4. So much so that they could again pull Tanaka early to save him for a Game 7 appearance. And you have to beat Verlander or Cole. That was always the task. Take your shot at Verlander in Game 5 and beat him at Yankee Stadium and go back to Houston up 3-2.
In that case, Hinch has to pitch Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest and then he runs out of horses in Game 7 because he couldn't use Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander for an inning). In Game 7, the Yankees would start Severino and then go to Tanaka for an inning or so and turn it over to the pen.
As strange as it sounds, Houston has to win this in 5 or 6 games, because if things hold, they will be in trouble in a Game 7 because they won't have the advantage anymore with the Yankees pen in play vs. their bullpen.
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
He's probably going to get 5-6 years @37.5-40 mil per. Not only because he's so good but I'm sure they'll be a bidding war for him. Houston, LAA, Yanks and probably 1-2 more teams.
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
Amazing, isn't it? Cashman expected to win with fucking JA Happ and the bloated corpse of CC Sabathia..
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
Yes, but this would be a situation where I think the Yankees will decide to open the wallet. You go into next year with Cole, Severino, Tanaka, and Paxton, with their pen and lineup depth, not to mention taking Cole away from Houston, they would rival the 1998 Yankee team for overall dominance. You land Cole in NY, the Yankees would set up another dynasty. It makes too much sense. But again, we can worry about that in the offseason.
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."
As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.
Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
Right before the end of the season I heard one reporter on the radio say that Ottavino's performance had the same decline last year at about the same # of innings. So, this should be no surprise. They maxed out on his effectiveness.
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."
As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.
Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
It's not like either Sanchez or Encarnacion was great all year. Sanchez hit .232 with an OBA of .316 and Encarnacion hit .249 with an OBA of .325 while with the Yankees. I have had trouble understanding the fascination with him as a must have bat in the lineup every game for the post season. Voit, for example, hit 24 points higher with an OBA of .263. Hicks is another guy I don't get the fascination over. His power has been a surprise, but he is not a great hitter or OBA guy.
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
We agree on just about all accounts.
Of course you do. You’re a fucking moron.
Romine? Lmfao.
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They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.
I wonder how that first inning goes if he gets the chance to come up first and second with nobody out. That’s the frustrating part for me. They got too cute with the lineup. Stack the best performing hitters at the top and hope for the best.
It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
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They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.
He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
are tough outs while Springer, Alvarez, and Correa can run into one any time. We have DJ, Torres, and half a Judge (when he connects) while the rest are all either ice cold or all-or-nothing hitters.
You can’t ask more out of our pitching against that lineup. Our hitters need to step up. It’s the same story every year. The addition of DJ and maturation of Torres and to an extent Judge help, but Cash need to do more. Didi is not his normal clutch self, and suddenly can’t seem to catch up to good FB’s, while Sanchez/EE/Gardner are guessing and missing. It will be too late if that quartet doesn’t wake up soon.
It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
Those people are the usual suspects.
Indeed. We lost 3-2 and 4-1 to fall behind 2-1 to an elite team in the ALCS but a few act like we’re the Baltimore Orioles. Win the next game and they’ll all jump back on board.
To be clear though, not referring to those like Matt saying do whatever it takes to get Gerritt Cole. That dude is an absolute ace and I would do whatever it takes to get him. Hopefully by some chance getting a good look at him today helps us the second time around in this series. They almost got to him. That damn Didi fly ball...
And I’m too lazy to scroll through the 8 pages of posts. But why didn’t Ottavino pitch out to Altuve? Same situation happened in game 2, man on first steals 2nd on the first pitch. You knew it was going to happen, slide step and throw a pitch out, if he doesn’t attempt the steal no worries
And I am going to do this without the idiotic insults some of you here seem to have to use when you disagree. Sanchez has a career batting average of .182 in the playoffs and has struck out one of every three at bats. Considering the batting average is about what he hit ALL of last season and the last half of this year,I just do not think this guy is a good hitter. I do know that Romine is nothing special but I'll tell you, in a key spot, I have more confidence that Romine will give us a better at bat then Sanchez. So far, Gary has two singles in 17 at bats in the playoffs and has struck out 9 times. Boone will stick with Sanchez, like he has stuck with EE batting 4th, but I question if that is the correct move? Time will tell.
Just looking @ forecast for the NYC Metro area & it looks like an afternoon washout. If tomorrow is postponed, do they play potentially 4 straight days-Thursday, Friday, Saturday, & Sunday?
Just looking @ forecast for the NYC Metro area & it looks like an afternoon washout. If tomorrow is postponed, do they play potentially 4 straight days-Thursday, Friday, Saturday, & Sunday?
Yes, that’s what they would do.
IMO, a postponement seems likely. These games are too important to have pitchers knocked out of games by weather delays. The games are also lasting long enough as-is.
to be able to bring Tanaka back for game 4. And if that moves Verlander to a Yankee Stadium start in game 5 I don’t necessarily mind that either.
I just don’t think we’re well positioned for a bullpen game right now with the way Ottavino is struggling. I don’t know how you comfortably bridge the gap from Green in the first two innings to Britton in the 7th.
They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.
He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
It's not about him being the culprit (he isn't). This was a comment on the fact that he is a FA, will be looking for a ton of money, will be 30 next season, and whose play this season and to a much larger degree this post season just doesn't warrant a huge payday.
need a true monster ace.. Boston had Sale, Houston has Cole/Verlander.. Yanks aren't likely to win it all without a monster like that. It makes a playoff series so much easier..
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games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.
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games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.
That was the plan if the games went per the original schedule.
If today's game is rained out, no one except the Astros knows for sure what they will do.
Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.
Quote:
"These aren't Game 7s by the number on the tickets that the fans will have. But they're Game 7s in our mentality. You want to win every game. I'm not saving a thing
Yes he’s been bad but Romine I mean cmon guys. This is like the backup QB in the nfl. Always better than the underperforming starter. You ride with Gary til the end. That’s what a good manager does. The guy has the ability to change a game with his pop. Yes he’s been piss poor but you can’t take that bat out of the lineup. The potential is there. I’d rather have potential then a guy who goes 1-4 with a single and that’s basically the best you’ll get out of him. It was Gary’s fault when Britton had back to back 58 foot pitches.
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games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.
Exactly. Yanks must take next two games, or else (2020 Spring Training up next).
vaunted Astros starters have just barely out pitched the Yankees staff. Let's face it, while Severino gave up 2 HRs, the Yankees had numerous chances to get runs on the board in the 1st five innings. The same happened Sunday night against Verlander. If anything the fear of Verlander and Cole should be diminished.
Instead, the vaunted Yankees savages have been pitiful the past two games except for LeMahieu and Torres. Yes, Cole and Verlander are outstanding, but one or two hits in anyone of about 6 innings in the last two games and the story is completely different.
Also, cannot quite understand moving Gardy back to the 3 hole when Torres should be there. Gardy is a #8 or #9 hitter and that is where he belongs. I suppose Torres at 5 was to protect Eddie and Gardy at #3 was to break up the righties in the lineup. I thought that analytics kind of disproved the R-L thing. I also believe Gardy should have bunted in the 1st inning. I was fine with letting Gardy hit, too. With the shift there was no one to cover 3rd base. Getting a bunt down against Cole is no sure thing either, and I get that new wisdom shows there is a better chance for a big inning by swinging away. But sure would have been nice to see 2nd and 3rd and one out.
However, all is not lost. I do think they will eat whomever the next Astros pitcher is. I also think that having had Verlander and Cole on the ropes numerous times in both games bodes well in the next games.
And while Britton threw two balls in the dirt and the Yanks got lucky the with the 1st one (one was stopped by the umpire), Gary should have been ready at least for the 2nd one. Britton seemingly throws some WP in each outing - I think he overthrows a few times each outing - normally with no one on base. My other minor gripe with Gary is handling Sevy. Sevy pitches extremely well when he pitches quickly. In that 1st inning after Altuve slaughtered that cement mixer, Sevy was pitching at a snail's pace. For whatever reason, Sevy has trouble in the 1st inning in playoff games. Not sure if he is overthinking the game plan. But whatever it is, he is a power pitcher, if the slider isn't working don't keep throwing it and end up walking people. Come out blow people away and get off the mound. There was no reason to throw 36 pitches to 5 or 6 batters when only one run scored. Yes he got out of it, but used 3 innings worth of pitches.
And while I understand Boone is trying to save his pen a bit, he is using to many people for short periods. He needs to start managing for the win that day and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
Pray for rain and get Tanaka or Paxton going Thursday.
everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.
You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.
this thread one gets the impression that Cashman was too cheap to build a contender and Boone can't put together a lineup.
The likely Manager of the Year sucks ass!!
And with a straight face, you have a fuckhead calling for Romine!
just because he is manager of the year (if he will be) doesn't mean he has managed well this series. In fact, what I can't take about these threads are that because a manager can justify his move, that means it was the right move. Again, I go back to the Green/Springer matchup that, of course, can be justified by the analytics, but it was the manager who has to make that calculus at that time. It is a bad matchup, but Green is dealing. Ottavino has been shaky really since September, do I want to face that kind of hitter with an unknown Ottavino, in the sense you don't know if he has his good stuff or not, or do I want to face him with a dealing Green. Simply because Boone was justified doesn't mean he was right. In addition, I don't know the analytics on putting Gardner third and maybe that was acceptable in the Twins series, but he has already shown in this series that he is not a person who should be batting third. Again, maybe their is some analytical stat to justify it, but a manager needs to see beyond stats and make the right call. Boone has not. And, for the people saying, oh well he gave the ball to Ottavino and Ottavino did not get the job done, that is true, but Ottavino has showed nothing in this post-season that would lead anyone to believe he could get the job done. So, just because he managed great for 162 games does not mean he is immune from criticism for what happened in the last two games.
Once when the Yankees lineup was struggling, Billy Martin picked his batting order out of hat to change things up. I am not saying I am advocating for that in any way, but what I am saying is that it is ok for managers to manage based on a feel for what is going on. In that area, Boone has not been good in this series.
we're not too cheap, but the lineup was overthought. It's really just one decision, Torres hitting 5th. And it's entirely possible it doesn't make a difference in the game. But it was a mistake and it didn't give us the best possible chance to put up runs.
"right move" is almost always determined on here by if the right result was generated. In one series, the microscope on moves is even stronger and the reactions to losses more ridiculous as the sample size is really small
The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.
Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.
Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.
And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.
in saying that it's pretty much always outcome-oriented around here with the reactions. But I don't think this is a second guess or simply a reaction to how the game played out.
Torres has been our best hitter this postseason and had been hitting 3rd the last two games. Moving him out of that spot to split up right handed hitters was overthinking things. I'm not really sure I understand the need to appeal to authority here. Boone can be an excellent manager, but also have made a mistake.
Again it's possible that it doesn't make a difference in the game. But the effects of it were felt right away in the first inning.
Gardner shouldn't be batting third.defending Boone on this is silly. the dude just isn't a 3 hitter. Torres should be there. Gardner Sanchez EE and Didi have had horrible ABs this series.
Does a rain out def give us Cole game 7?
If so that will be tough in Houston
I think next two are must wins before we get back to Houston and then we can steal one there. Damn game 2 is looming large as a missed opp
has been irritating all season. David Cone constantly brings it up throughout the year. Fifth? Sixth? Ninth? What reason could there possibly be to bury your best hitter down in the lineup? DJ/Judge/Torres in the first inning should be written in stone at this point.
"right move" is almost always determined on here by if the right result was generated. In one series, the microscope on moves is even stronger and the reactions to losses more ridiculous as the sample size is really small
The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.
Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.
Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.
And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.
Consistency among morons is rarely achieved.
where I would agree is that the right result does not mean it was the right move. However, what I don't agree is that the manager's move was the right move at the time. I would agree it was defensible, but not sure that it was the correct decision regardless of result. The result just makes it worse. It is the same when Girardi hooked Robertson in the 09 ALCS against the Angels, it was defensible, but Robertson was dealing and it did not show a good feel for the game. As to Gardener third, again, I don't know the analytics behind it but I will assume that they are there, but who you put in your three hole matters. I just don't get that move, especially they way Gardner has been playing. And, last night, it had a real practical effect in that they were able to avoid Gleyber in the first inning by giving him the open base.
everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.
You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.
Flaky, huh? Or, I just respond to what's going on in the series. Yes, I (like everyone) was happy when we were up 1-0. And now, I, like pretty much everyone, isn't as confident now that we're down 2-1.
has been irritating all season. David Cone constantly brings it up throughout the year. Fifth? Sixth? Ninth? What reason could there possibly be to bury your best hitter down in the lineup? DJ/Judge/Torres in the first inning should be written in stone at this point.
Yea it's ridiculous. There is no defense of Boone here. Fuck analytics. Torres should be batting third. That first inning could have been different and getting runs off Cole early would have changed entire game. Stadium would have been jumping and he would have felt a little more pressure. Feel for the game is something I think Boone struggles with.
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
The result just makes it worse. It is the same when Girardi hooked Robertson in the 09 ALCS against the Angels, it was defensible, but Robertson was dealing and it did not show a good feel for the game
But in an Era where the HR ball is prevalent, you can see one happen at any time. Green giving up a gopher ball vs. Ottavino isn't that much of a stretch.
Look at the number of times a starter is cruising through a lineup. They go into an inning and the leadoff batter hits a dinger. Happens to Tanaka a lot. If that happens to Green, people are screaming that he shouldn't be pitching his 3rd inning. Boone went on statistics and it didn't work. If he went on "feel" that could just have easily backfired. Heck, putting gardy in the 3 hole might have been done on "feel".
You guys just can't have it both ways. We had chances to score the past two games and didn't. That's on the players to execute.
No change in the weather forecast. Just looking at the hourly, it's tough to see how they play tonight. Hopefully an extra day gives Stanton enough time to get in the lineup. Curious if the Astros stick with the bullpen if it's postponed or if Grienke goes game 4
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
Any decision they has Gardner batting 3rd over Torres I question. Whether it's analytics being shit or Boone not having a feel, either way it's bad. I would argue it's Boone relying too much on analytics and not enough on common baseball knowledge and feel.
No change in the weather forecast. Just looking at the hourly, it's tough to see how they play tonight. Hopefully an extra day gives Stanton enough time to get in the lineup. Curious if the Astros stick with the bullpen if it's postponed or if Grienke goes game 4
Hopefully they cancel it early and not make fans show up first
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
talk about situational hitting, that's where they are failing miserably.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.
The only thing I’ll knock Boone for the last two games Â
that's actually not what I'm saying. I said "Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy managing (updated my spelling error) is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me."
When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?
pitcher, batters will often get the "best" pitch to hit on the first pitch. So while you want to work the count, certain batters should be looking for a pitch early and swinging at it, especially a guy like Edwin who doesn't work counts very well anyway.
That isn't situational hitting because the longer a count goes, the more guessing the batter has to do, especially in an unfavorable count.
Didi got his pitch to hit and missed it by a couple of feet. You want him to take that swing.
talk about situational hitting, that's where they are failing miserably.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.
with regards to the at bats- man it's frustrating to watch when Didi is swinging first pitch and sees a total of 3 pitches in his first 3 ABs. But the metrics do say that your absolute best chance of hitting Cole is on the first pitch. Batting average drops significantly the deeper you get in counts. That was obviously the game plan. Did it work?? eh...With that being said, if Cole walks someone on 4 straight pitches before you, you should be taking first pitch.
that's actually not what I'm saying. I said "Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy managing (updated my spelling error) is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me."
When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?
You did not say it, but it is inherent in what you said. Because in order for me to criticize how Boone adapts to the game I have to make judgments about how the game is being played. Now, of course, I would never say my feel for the game is better than Boone or any big league manager for that matter but I am not sure how I evaluate it if I don't have some idea of what I am watching and have an opinion on it. Doesn't mean I am right and it doesn't mean Boone was wrong, but if I am going to criticize his analytical approach to the game flow, I am not sure how I do it without substituting my view of the game. I am not trying to be difficult, but according to your viewpoint a manager's approach to game flow would be hard for any lay person to critique. Maybe that is right in the scheme of things (like who really cares what we think), but for a message board conversation I am not sure I know of another way.
Haha, I love it. Unless we can pin 100% on one and only one person, Â
then nobody should be criticized. Haven’t we gone through this with Eli?
Series is far from over, but nobody would be surprised if it’s a replay of 2017. Their players are just executing better, in all phases. Sure, on paper, our players put up as good if not better stats on their baseball cards. But their team is just doing better. Is it analytics putting them in better position or coaching giving them better instructions I don’t know. Is it oh that’s how baseball goes the better team doesn’t always win or the other team got all the lucky bounces in a game of inches? All I know is we haven’t won since 2009 with one of the top payrolls consistently. Not everything is peachy.
I simply don't try to pretend to know what goes into every move, in any sport, unless its something so glaringly egregious that its obvious (Carroll in the Superbowl passing, for example). Maybe that makes for bad conversation, but I have a hard time calling something a bad decision without much to go on.
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.
yearly over a once in a decade WS win, personally. Titles are the ultimate goal but for my entertainment I'll take a constant playoff presence. Same with the Giants, just get back to winning seasons and playing meaningful games in December.
But a close game "flows" on every single pitch. Each a separate discrete point.
Want proof?
Two different pitches from Yankee pitchers and its 3-0 Yankees.
When you have as many men on base as the Yankees have had....two swings also changed the "flow" of the games.
Boone thought that DJ and Judge could get good pitches on their own. Putting Torres further down more likely than not would generate 1-4 better pitches ahead of Torres since Astro thinking would have been to get those guys off the bases when Torres was up.
Instead of taking their walks...our hitters tried to hit.
imho, the hitters have forgotten to be all out savages every single pitch. Every single pitch.
Close games are about execution. but that's data not emotion. Emotional after the fact guys torture the data into confessing someone to blame...usually substitutes for their own managers in life
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.
Actually, no, I specifically said I am not advocating for pulling the batting order out of a hat. I just used it as an example that sometimes managers have a feel for what their teams needed any Billy probably one of baseball's best mind.
over a season each coin has a tendency to positive or negative outcomes. Put them together right ( flow) and you influence probability
In a tight game all flips( pitches) have much closer to a 50/50 outcome. So "probability or flow" gets to be much much less and 50/50 outcomes a larger percentage of the eventual result.
The Yankee history is loaded with guys who came up dry in playoff series and guys who hit out their ass and guys who just got that one hit ( Luis Soto). Why is that different now?
There was only one Yankee who demonstrably played better in playoffs and Ws over a sufficient sample size. He just got into the Hall of Fame.
I sure never thought Torre had a feel for the game and especially a feel for pitchers
Not a happy thread today. Game is washed out. Pitcher impact can be significant. Tanaka tomorrow night? Bullpen situation? Will Sevy get another shot at it? Stanton? Gardner batting third? Lots to worry about and pick at until tomorrow.
RE: RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for Â
Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.
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I said last night, a rainout actually could help the Yankees because it will force a few things
- You know you are getting Verlander again. I'd rather get him at Yankee Stadium
- I stand by what I wrote last night, I think the Yankees slaughter them in Game 4, Grienke or their bullpen game won't matter. Hinch knows that's a gravy game in the set up as he realistically wants to take 2 of 3 in Yankee Stadium. If things get out of hand quick (and I expect it will), he's going to toss out his 11th man in the pen to get his stool pushed in and save his other arms for Game 5. That game has 10-3 or worse written all over it.
- The Yankees must go back to Houston up 3-2. They do that and that forces Hinch's hand to start Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest. The Yankees can throw a bullpen game in Game 6 and save Severino and possibly Tananka and their pen for Game 7. Hinch is out of bullets at that point since he won't have Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander comes in for an inning or so). Hinch can't hope to throw a bullpen game at the Yankees because he might never get to Cole. Get the Astros forcing elimination going back to Houston just like they did in 2017, but this time the Yankees will have the advantage.
I do worry about the Yankees pen dying, but this is how they were built. We need Ottovino to figure it out quick. And if Stanton isn't ready to play for Game 4, I think the Yankees should pull the plug on him for the rest of the season and bring up someone who can help (Voit, Ford, etc).
Yes he’s been bad but Romine I mean cmon guys. This is like the backup QB in the nfl. Always better than the underperforming starter. You ride with Gary til the end. That’s what a good manager does. The guy has the ability to change a game with his pop. Yes he’s been piss poor but you can’t take that bat out of the lineup. The potential is there. I’d rather have potential then a guy who goes 1-4 with a single and that’s basically the best you’ll get out of him. It was Gary’s fault when Britton had back to back 58 foot pitches.
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Are you sure about that? These are his postseason numbers:The 26-year-old Sanchez, who is now batting .174 (16-for-92) in 24 career playoff games...but lets wait for that one glorious swing. And I think Romine blocks that pitch last night as well. When Gary is struggling at the plate, he does tend to take out on the field as well.
One game sitting wouldn't hurt at this point.
You guys I dont think just about any C could have blocked that wild Â
Pich let alone Romine it's not like he's Bill Dickey. That pitch hit in front of the plate and bounced up in the air 3-4 feet immediately. It's not like it slid under his glove or anything.
RE: You guys I dont think just about any C could have blocked that wild Â
Pich let alone Romine it's not like he's Bill Dickey. That pitch hit in front of the plate and bounced up in the air 3-4 feet immediately. It's not like it slid under his glove or anything.
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He's not Bill Dickey, he would have moved his body and used
he chest protector. That's why they give you 'the tools of ignorance' back there. Sanchez didn't move his body,
hit his shoulder.
No that ball bounced about 4 straight feet in the air Â
Virtually nobody is blocking that pitch. Criticizing Gary for his D is a lazy last year arguement with little basis in his performance this year.
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I disagree, only criticizing him for last night's effort
at blocking the pitch. You are talking about last year,
that's not coming from me. He has been better in general.
It's not lazy in any way, plenty of catchers would have blocked that pitch btw.
He didn't move his body, that's what you have to do first.
last night was not a simple stop. It wasn't like it skipped under a glove.
Have some perspective there. That's not only on the pitcher, it would have taken an extraordinary effort to block the pitch.
But Romine is the man to do it??
Not sure any catcher stops either one, they both jumped straight up. Kind of annoyed me he missed the second one on the heels of the 1st one, but the technique is to drop and bend into it. Not likely that technique would have worked. Britton does that every now and then. Shows how much spin he puts on the ball. It did not even hit the plate and it popped up.
Let's Fucking Go.
Let's go, Yanks.
Yes, and we need more than a couple of innings from him too
Yep Cole is due to blow up. You can't pitch perfect forever why not today out in the Bronx Zoo?
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Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.
Yep Cole is due to blow up. You can't pitch perfect forever why not today out in the Bronx Zoo?
Yankee Stadium is a different beast in the playoffs. LFG!!!
FS1 is broadcasting so it should be on Fox Sports App
If you have a cable login, you can get the game on the fox sports app
Let's go Yanks!
Let's go Yanks!
https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/
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Any streams? I'm stuck at work until 5. I have the Fox Sports go app. Any idea if it will be on that?
If you have a cable login, you can get the game on the fox sports app
I do. Ok great thanks
LET'S GO!
Outstanding! Let’s fucking go Yankees
Amen!
Anyone?
Every game is winnable and I see no reason to believe we can't win out one game at a time. Let's start tonight.
Now let's go win a f*&k'n baseball game!!!!!
He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...
Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.
Cheers to that and I hope we do get a positive thread. It's the friggin ALCS and we should all be enjoying this. Save the moaning and groaning for an off season thread.
GO YANKEES!
(It should have worked against Verlander;>)
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can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???
He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...
Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.
Yup.
He's 18-0 in his last 24 starts so that tells me 25% of the time he hasn't won.
Leading up to the draft, Cole and his handlers had informed every team that he intended to go to UCLA. Scott Boras, Cole’s advisor, had told teams it’d take a “substantial bonus” for him to sign. From what Cole’s camp had been hearing, that message had scared most teams away.
Then the New York Yankees called. Cole’s favorite team had taken him in the first round, No. 28 overall. Cole called his pitching coach, Zak Doan.
“I just remember him screaming, going, ‘What the heck!’ Doan said. “We were all shocked they picked him.”
After much discussion, the Coles decided Gerrit would attend UCLA. He would learn under coach John Savage, work toward a college degree and still be only 20 years old for the 2011 draft. Mark even took out a sizable insurance policy to protect Gerrit in case of injury while in college.
The Coles had been holding firm in that decision until the Yankees called.
“I thought the pick deserved some serious thought,” Gerrit said. “We kind of reevaluated the process after that happened.”
One factor: Gerrit had grown up a huge Yankees fan, with a Derek Jeter poster on his bedroom wall. He had attended Game 7 of the 2001 World Series in Arizona, clutching a sign that read, “Yankee Fan Today, Tomorrow, Forever.” He’d inherited his fandom from his father, who spent part of his childhood in upstate New York.
Ultimately, though, the Coles reached the same conclusion: Gerrit would go to college first.
“We just felt confident sticking with the plan,” he said.
Mark remembers having a conversation with the Yankees about two to three weeks before the signing deadline, and having to break the news. The team wanted to fly to California, meet the Coles, give a sales pitch.
“And I said to them, ‘Since there’s no chance that this is going to happen, Gerrit wants to go to UCLA, there’s no reason to sit down,’ ” Mark said.
He felt as if they would be unfairly leading on the Yankees by even meeting.
“There were never any discussions,” he said. “There was never a meeting. There was never a negotiation.”
Boras said the Yankees made “a very qualified offer.” But Mark maintains that the family never discussed specific dollar figures with the team. In fact, he says, the family never spoke with the Yankees after turning down that meeting.
“There was some disappointment [on the Yankees’ side],” Mark said, “because they wanted to have a chance. But the decision had already been made.”
Boras, Cole’s agent, echoed that sentiment.
“This was not about the Yankees,” he said. “It was really about what’s the best time for Gerrit to enter pro baseball.”
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Let's go baby.
That's nice and all, but in this game that could be the difference. Have to do better in the postseason.
He may not get OUT of the first. What a disaster. This guy seems to be incapable of checking his emotions at the beginning of big games
Pull him before it’s 4-0
Pull him before it’s 4-0
Zero command. Ug
Game 4 go with Tanaka....especially if the game is not played till Thurs.
#OperationGerritCold
And Gary has to get him to speed up. When he pitches well, he gets the ball, gets his sign and throws it. He was painfully slow.
Yup. All those pitches cost Sevy an inning but biggest thing is he got out of it. Now he just has to get control of his off speed stuff.
LeMahiue is the heart!
With a strikeout machine on the mound? I'm not giving up an out, certainly not this early.
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but i'd consider it right here.
With a strikeout machine on the mound? I'm not giving up an out, certainly not this early.
with anything resembling a typical 3/4/5 hitter in that spot id have agreed.
He gave you one swing alright.
And yes I am over exaggerating!
Said this yesterday and got attacked lol
Is your other name prdave73?
Bad decision. Best hitter in the postseason, he has to bat third.
or yankees jjst bailed him out and he settles down
We better have a rainout tomorrow.
Because the pitcher is likely looking to get back on track by throwing a strike. Could be the best pitch of the AB you'll see. With bases loaded if you see a pitch to hit take your chances.
If this gets ugly they need to just force Cessa and Happ to eat all of the shit today.
Since your quitting on this game down 2 in the 2nd inning.....do us a favor and stay the fuck off this thread for the rest of this game.
Will almost certainly happen. It's supposed to be horrible here tomorrow.
Pretty big mistake. I look forward to another offseason of adding to the offense and leaving the starting rotation in the awful shape it's in.
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Why the fuck is Torres not batting 3rd????
Bad decision. Best hitter in the postseason, he has to bat third.
I was surprised to see him dropped in the order. Especially since you gotta figure Cole will get some 1-2-3 innings and you want the hot Gleyber getting as many AB's as possible.
Book it.
bahahaha....look who shows up! I'm just shocked.
Haha. they all crawl out to troll...like moths to the flame.
On cue, the whiny little bitch shows up. Stay away, nobody likes you here. Why would you want to post somewhere where nobody can stand you???
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Cashman only mistake this year was not getting a SP
Pretty big mistake. I look forward to another offseason of adding to the offense and leaving the starting rotation in the awful shape it's in.
Book it. I would give Cole a blank check, but I doubt Cash would
Seriously. Make him work
I thought the same too. But, the pirates gm still took a lesser offer from Houston just because we didn’t give him what he wanted. Their Gm first asked for Torres, then moved to those two. How the hell didn’t he ask Houston for Alvarez, Whitley, or Tucker’s?
Gotta cash in.
It’s possible, but will we score?
Who would you have traded?
How much would you add to payroll?
Most of all who was available?
Otherwise its noise
EE fucking blows. Sit that slob down.
Him gardy 3-4 is a crime
Boones a fucking clown.
He has the sniffles. Not available
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We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough
Boones a fucking clown.
Is that a serious comment or are you the fucking clown??
I think they'd let him go 95-100 but he's probably done because they don't want him seeing those guys a 3rd time.
Two runs should not be a crowd killer. Maybe it’s because it’s a day game?
Lmfao.
If you think batting gardy 3 and EE 4 is a smart move. You don't know much about baseball. Neither guy should be batting there. Torres should be batting third.
Gardy and EE along with Didi and Sanchez are lost at the plate right now....I have been saying this.
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We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough
Boones a fucking clown.
I don’t agree with the lineup, but he’s not the clown here.
Yea it's bad. They need to change approach. EE needs to see more pitches. Sanchez needs to stop swinging at trash
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks
And sad to say
Didi
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks
And sad to say
Didi
Hicks had two solid ABs. His first was really awesome.
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks
And sad to say
Didi
They need to start the inning sooner lol
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Stanton
Gardner
Hicks
And sad to say
Didi
Hicks had two solid ABs. His first was really awesome.
Not basing this off one game
Boone should move EE and gardy down in lineup.
Torres to 3rd
We are gonna win this. Just need to cash in when we get guys on.
Cole looks insanely human
They honestly should. Need production in the middle of this lineup. Way to many cold bats right now.
Jesus - second-guessing every move is ridiculous.
Rest is everything for Tanaka. His production falls off as pitch count rises. Sevy is a power guy. He typically gets stronger as game goes on. I don't mind this.
Jesus - second-guessing every move is ridiculous.
i am just asking a question did i say it didnt work? take a breathe
He should pitch a couple of innings here, don't pull him too quick boone
Agreed. When you're 3 hitter isn't doing shit it's pretty simple, he shouldn't be batting 3rd. I expected better ABs from EE and Sanchez too
We are gonna get some runs here tho
Dude isn't a 3 hitter at all
But a great hit. Pitch count is rising!
We might push a run or two across in first if he batting third
Now Didi....take some pitches
I would have taken a pitch. He is clearly laboring he would have served a softer pitch
Didn't he specifically say the delay does impact him and takes away a potential extra inning that he could throw?
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
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That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.
Dude isn't a 3 hitter at all
Just to be clear, do you like the lineup or not? You haven't really been clear on this.
Not a routine out in the Astros own ballpark. Hell, that ball may have gone out in Houston. Right center very similar dimension wise, and weather playing a role.
Cole thought it was out off the bat. That ball just died.
Maldonado ball just died as well.
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the delay has no impact on Cole. You never know when a pitcher's arm tightens a little.
Didn't he specifically say the delay does impact him and takes away a potential extra inning that he could throw?
I thought he said that it isn't an issue because it wasn't like a rain delay. It was only a half hour where he said after about 45 minutes you might start to experience issues. I know that when I pitched, long innings would cause me to keep my arm warm, so 30 minutes isn't insignificant.
Cole 100% thought it was gone.
That was the kind of swing you want to have on the 1st pitch.
Keep digging in you nitwit
It was a good AB, he just got under it by a millimeter. And some idiots want him benched because of it.
Just slightly colder..low 60’s
That's specifically the reason you can make a case to swing early against Cole. You might get a pitch to drive. DiDi just missed that.
I’ve seen that one twitter. If true it’s a problem. Big problem
I buy that.
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That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.
So games in the ALDS this year aren't lately?
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Your'e allowed to say and think whatever you like. And we're allowed to tell you that you sound like an idiot.
If we do manage to tie this game up we're going to have the same problem as game 2 and will end up losing this game with Cessa/Happ/CC on the mound instead of our elite relievers.
It was a good AB, he just got under it by a millimeter. And some idiots want him benched because of it.
Spot on and you have to wonder what the hell some people are thinking about let alone actually spewing their asinine thoughts in posts for all to see.
Have to stretch Kahnle more.
He doesn't have confidence to throw that slider close enough to the plate to look like a strike and it's killing him and us along the way.
Should have kept kahnle out there
Have to stretch Kahnle more.
He's been awful since September. Loaisiga is more trustworthy at this point. Otto has lost the plate.
I get that Green/Springer analytically was a terrible matchup. But Green was rolling and it was the right move to judge the situation for what it was. Now, after Ottavino has pitched miserably this post season you go back to him. YOu might have a day off tomorrow, if you want to take Kahnle out how about Britton for one and Chappy for two. End of game and see if you can get the runs to win it.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Yeah. Because Springer’s been oh so effective this post season. What with his .091 batting average.
lazy ass
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.
You’re a fucking moron.
lazy ass
This guy is a lazy player. You must know the circumstances. Block that ball with your body. He is playing like he’s in a fog.
Cashman fucked up passing on Verlander, Cole and Corbin.
Not fair. This is not last year. But he's sure been absent from batting class.
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.
You’re a fucking moron.
Way to answer the question numb nuts. Are you Boones nephew?
He takes guys out way too soon. Baseball has a feel to it and Boone has NO feel for the game
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
Is it so hard for you to grasp the fact Green and Kahnle came in and both did their jobs. Next man up Otto is expected to do his and he didn't.
He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.
He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.
I agree. Sanchez isn't to blame.
Boone should have extended green and kahnle.
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Were you a MLB player or front office person? An ex manager?
Just trying to figure out if I should pay attention to your posts
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
You’re still here bitch?
So surprised.
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
They're pitching well until they're not pitching well anymore (or face the wrong batter). And by the time you realize it it's too late. 1 or 2 batters late and you're already fucked. That's the name of the game in managing baseball: knowing exactly when to do what. It's not as simple as just "but he got that guy out so let him try to get the next guy out!"
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.
Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?
Yeah. Oh.
Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.
Not difficult
You’re still here bitch?
So surprised.
Good thought out response.
Again...green should have gone back out there the next inning. Boone is too much by analytics. You need to have a feel for the game.
How are we still defending Gardner batting 3rd? Anyone?
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Yup...really needed to win one of Verlander or Cole’s first starts of the series.
It’s not over without doing so, just a lot harder. Maybe Yanks have some magic in their bats still tonight
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game 2 was a missed opportunity
Yup...really needed to win one of Verlander or Cole’s first starts of the series.
It’s not over without doing so, just a lot harder. Maybe Yanks have some magic in their bats still tonight
Be great. They had chances tonight
Yanks scored 2 runs against those 2 .
But that’s the difference between the 2 teams. They got 2 aces and the Yanks dont!
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.
Yanks scored 2 runs against those 2 .
But that’s the difference between the 2 teams. They got 2 aces and the Yanks dont!
Fair
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.
Agreed
I think he has to move up in the pecking order ahead of Lasagna and Happ. Maybe I’d even go nuts and put him ahead of Ottavino.
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Off nights? Were you expecting no hitters from them and 15+K's? They gave up two runs between them.
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
Off nights? Were you expecting no hitters from them and 15+K's? They gave up two runs between them.
It's not just about runs....we had MANY chances vs Cole that others don't get
yes, but was still safe
Looked like his arm hit EE's helmet and not the glove. By the time his glove hit his back his foot was on the bag.
Now with Gleyber going yard that call is even bigger. Fuck's sake!
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
No I don't
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Looked like his arm hit EE's helmet and not the glove. By the time his glove hit his back his foot was on the bag.
Now with Gleyber going yard that call is even bigger. Fuck's sake!
I saw the glove touch the helmet (not the arm). You all are crazy no offense lol
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
exactly
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
“What a good play.”
Sanchez, Didi, gardner are all lost at the plate. eE is too even tho he had a hit tonight.
Boone bats 2 of those guys 3-4.
Morrow is a must win
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
You're correct, has to be the glove with the ball in it
What took you so long? I expected this post before the ball was even caught.
And the Yankees are going to murder the Astros in Game 4, if any game will be a blowout, that's the one.
But they need to beat Cole or Verlander once, they had their chance to steal that Game 2.
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.
A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.
And the Yankees are going to murder the Astros in Game 4, if any game will be a blowout, that's the one.
But they need to beat Cole or Verlander once, they had their chance to steal that Game 2.
They had many opportunities today and Sunday night to score. 7 LOB in the first 4 innings today.
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WTF are these announcers seeing?
I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.
A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.
Yeah that's what I've always thought but figured maybe it wasn't the case since I only saw the arm contact EE before he stepped on first. Thought maybe all these years I was mistaken and they consider the arm part of the glove. Lol.
The down the line angle appears to show what you think is his glove hitting the helmet is actually Gurriel’s arm.
It looks like his glove on the one angle, on the other it looks like it’s his arm.
In other words, call should have stood as it was called on the field.
Nice two innings by Cessa.
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
Now it is time for the hitters to show up.
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but I have no idea how to post it. Do I have to upload to a website or something?
The down the line angle appears to show what you think is his glove hitting the helmet is actually Gurriel’s arm.
It looks like his glove on the one angle, on the other it looks like it’s his arm.
In other words, call should have stood as it was called on the field.
Nice two innings by Cessa.
Yep and where are those zoom in freeze frame close ups we would get during the regular season?
didn't work.
The down the line view isn't where you see it, it's the view from EE's right side where the bottom of the glove appears to pretty clearly bend when it makes contact.
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
Sadly, I don’t think the way we operate is gonna change. We’re going to add to the bullpen again, minor moves for the offense, and maybe a cheap starter or trade for a guy who has good stuff and control, but hasn’t blossomed
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is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?
On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!
Don't say that guys here suck off Boone and think it was right move.
Gardner is NRVER a 3 hitter. It's a joke
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That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
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That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
Your mouth gods ears
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Tonight it was a massive infestation Greg. You had guys writing season post mortems in the 4th inning.
Why even bother. Best to avoid game threads when all the DBs show up. Why get ajita reading moronic nonsense from all the trolls looking to get under your skin.
The only bit of it that adds insult to injury was that they managed to outlast Verlander and get stymied by their BP, and that Cole looked a bit off today and they couldn't take advantage.
Otherwise, if someone had told you they'd be down 2-1 going into game 4 at YS, I don't think you'd be overly upset or surprised.
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
It has to be. He has flubbed every chance he's gotten in the playoffs, both in the Twins series and this one. Great season but he just isn't getting it done.
Still can't believe Betances tore his Achilles just doing a little jump o the mound.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
I definitely see the helmet move. Something hits his head. I’m not compelled, with certainty, by your GIF that it was his glove. I do think it’s possible.
Either way, it certainly wasn’t the reason the Yankees lost today. Lineup may need a shakeup. Bullpen pecking order needs an evaluation now as well. We are building a sample size on some of these guys. Have to learn from it. Some players are clearly not up to the moment, others are (Hicks, Torres, Judge, DJ, Britton, Chapman, Kahnle, Cessa).
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row
Only down 2-1 and Yanks have the better team and equal number of home games left, and if Yanks make it out of the ALCS they're going to stomp the Nationals easily and win the World Series. I'd say "hopeless" isn't the right word for the Yankees in comparison to the other NY major sports teams.
Try living in the ATL area last week lol
-Braves get smoked
-Dawgs loss to unranked team
-Falcons lose on missed extra points
Everyone here has been on meds lol
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row
Yes, but I'd rather Verlander in Yankee Stadium to be honest. Like I said, I don't think it matters in Game 4. Game 4 is gravy for the Astros. I think the Yankees roll them early, Hinch will pack up the tent and be sure they are fully loaded for Verlander. It's the type of game where you tap someone on the shoulder, offer them a beer and a handshake and apologize for what their ERA will look like because they will need to soak up 3 or so innings to save the pen and take an assbeating. Whoever is the 11th or 12th man in their pen is going to have to eat a shitburger.
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
He walked tons of guys all year. FIP and xFIP both 1.5-2 runs higher than ERA. His % of runners left on base was almost 10 percentage points higher than the year prior. I’m not saying he isn’t good, but there was a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors on the 1-handle ERA.
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?
We agree on just about all accounts.
In the case of EE and Didi, they’re potentially making some ‘tough’ offseason decisions a hell of a lot easier.
But there’s still plenty of baseball left.
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?
If the game is rescheduled to Friday, he would get normal rest, he pitched Sunday
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Game 4 is a must win
That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?
If the game is rescheduled to Friday, he would get normal rest, he pitched Sunday
Verlander will pitch Friday if there is a rainout. But the Yankees know they have to beat Cole or Verlander once. Do it in Yankee Stadium. Grienke won't get through 3 innings.
He's been absolutely abysmal this postseason. Disgusting.
Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.
Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.
Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.
Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.
Yup, that was always the case. This has gone pretty much as I thought it would. I thought the Yankees would jump on them in game 1, maybe steal Game 2 if they were lucky (but I thought they'd lose) and I hated facing Cole here in Game 3 and expected a loss. Now, I expected a bullpen game in Game 4, and the Yankees would kick the ever loving shit out of Houston in that game, as the Astros only hope would be to win a slugfest in Yankee Stadium. That wouldn't happen. But regardless, I have no faith in Grienke in Yankee Stadium either, he will fold like he did in Tampa.
Assume a rainout tomorrow. You get Grienke vs. Tanaka and I stand by my thought the Yankees murder them in Game 4. So much so that they could again pull Tanaka early to save him for a Game 7 appearance. And you have to beat Verlander or Cole. That was always the task. Take your shot at Verlander in Game 5 and beat him at Yankee Stadium and go back to Houston up 3-2.
In that case, Hinch has to pitch Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest and then he runs out of horses in Game 7 because he couldn't use Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander for an inning). In Game 7, the Yankees would start Severino and then go to Tanaka for an inning or so and turn it over to the pen.
As strange as it sounds, Houston has to win this in 5 or 6 games, because if things hold, they will be in trouble in a Game 7 because they won't have the advantage anymore with the Yankees pen in play vs. their bullpen.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
He's probably going to get 5-6 years @37.5-40 mil per. Not only because he's so good but I'm sure they'll be a bidding war for him. Houston, LAA, Yanks and probably 1-2 more teams.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
Amazing, isn't it? Cashman expected to win with fucking JA Happ and the bloated corpse of CC Sabathia..
I mean..
Wow.
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.
The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
Yes, but this would be a situation where I think the Yankees will decide to open the wallet. You go into next year with Cole, Severino, Tanaka, and Paxton, with their pen and lineup depth, not to mention taking Cole away from Houston, they would rival the 1998 Yankee team for overall dominance. You land Cole in NY, the Yankees would set up another dynasty. It makes too much sense. But again, we can worry about that in the offseason.
No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."
As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.
Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."
As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.
Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
We agree on just about all accounts.
Of course you do. You’re a fucking moron.
Romine? Lmfao.
It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
Those people are the usual suspects.
You can’t ask more out of our pitching against that lineup. Our hitters need to step up. It’s the same story every year. The addition of DJ and maturation of Torres and to an extent Judge help, but Cash need to do more. Didi is not his normal clutch self, and suddenly can’t seem to catch up to good FB’s, while Sanchez/EE/Gardner are guessing and missing. It will be too late if that quartet doesn’t wake up soon.
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It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
Those people are the usual suspects.
Indeed. We lost 3-2 and 4-1 to fall behind 2-1 to an elite team in the ALCS but a few act like we’re the Baltimore Orioles. Win the next game and they’ll all jump back on board.
To be clear though, not referring to those like Matt saying do whatever it takes to get Gerritt Cole. That dude is an absolute ace and I would do whatever it takes to get him. Hopefully by some chance getting a good look at him today helps us the second time around in this series. They almost got to him. That damn Didi fly ball...
Yes, that’s what they would do.
IMO, a postponement seems likely. These games are too important to have pitchers knocked out of games by weather delays. The games are also lasting long enough as-is.
I just don’t think we’re well positioned for a bullpen game right now with the way Ottavino is struggling. I don’t know how you comfortably bridge the gap from Green in the first two innings to Britton in the 7th.
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They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.
He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
That was the plan if the games went per the original schedule.
If today's game is rained out, no one except the Astros knows for sure what they will do.
Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.
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Exactly. Yanks must take next two games, or else (2020 Spring Training up next).
Instead, the vaunted Yankees savages have been pitiful the past two games except for LeMahieu and Torres. Yes, Cole and Verlander are outstanding, but one or two hits in anyone of about 6 innings in the last two games and the story is completely different.
Also, cannot quite understand moving Gardy back to the 3 hole when Torres should be there. Gardy is a #8 or #9 hitter and that is where he belongs. I suppose Torres at 5 was to protect Eddie and Gardy at #3 was to break up the righties in the lineup. I thought that analytics kind of disproved the R-L thing. I also believe Gardy should have bunted in the 1st inning. I was fine with letting Gardy hit, too. With the shift there was no one to cover 3rd base. Getting a bunt down against Cole is no sure thing either, and I get that new wisdom shows there is a better chance for a big inning by swinging away. But sure would have been nice to see 2nd and 3rd and one out.
However, all is not lost. I do think they will eat whomever the next Astros pitcher is. I also think that having had Verlander and Cole on the ropes numerous times in both games bodes well in the next games.
And while Britton threw two balls in the dirt and the Yanks got lucky the with the 1st one (one was stopped by the umpire), Gary should have been ready at least for the 2nd one. Britton seemingly throws some WP in each outing - I think he overthrows a few times each outing - normally with no one on base. My other minor gripe with Gary is handling Sevy. Sevy pitches extremely well when he pitches quickly. In that 1st inning after Altuve slaughtered that cement mixer, Sevy was pitching at a snail's pace. For whatever reason, Sevy has trouble in the 1st inning in playoff games. Not sure if he is overthinking the game plan. But whatever it is, he is a power pitcher, if the slider isn't working don't keep throwing it and end up walking people. Come out blow people away and get off the mound. There was no reason to throw 36 pitches to 5 or 6 batters when only one run scored. Yes he got out of it, but used 3 innings worth of pitches.
And while I understand Boone is trying to save his pen a bit, he is using to many people for short periods. He needs to start managing for the win that day and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.
Pray for rain and get Tanaka or Paxton going Thursday.
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The likely Manager of the Year sucks ass!!
And with a straight face, you have a fuckhead calling for Romine!
You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.
The likely Manager of the Year sucks ass!!
And with a straight face, you have a fuckhead calling for Romine!
just because he is manager of the year (if he will be) doesn't mean he has managed well this series. In fact, what I can't take about these threads are that because a manager can justify his move, that means it was the right move. Again, I go back to the Green/Springer matchup that, of course, can be justified by the analytics, but it was the manager who has to make that calculus at that time. It is a bad matchup, but Green is dealing. Ottavino has been shaky really since September, do I want to face that kind of hitter with an unknown Ottavino, in the sense you don't know if he has his good stuff or not, or do I want to face him with a dealing Green. Simply because Boone was justified doesn't mean he was right. In addition, I don't know the analytics on putting Gardner third and maybe that was acceptable in the Twins series, but he has already shown in this series that he is not a person who should be batting third. Again, maybe their is some analytical stat to justify it, but a manager needs to see beyond stats and make the right call. Boone has not. And, for the people saying, oh well he gave the ball to Ottavino and Ottavino did not get the job done, that is true, but Ottavino has showed nothing in this post-season that would lead anyone to believe he could get the job done. So, just because he managed great for 162 games does not mean he is immune from criticism for what happened in the last two games.
Once when the Yankees lineup was struggling, Billy Martin picked his batting order out of hat to change things up. I am not saying I am advocating for that in any way, but what I am saying is that it is ok for managers to manage based on a feel for what is going on. In that area, Boone has not been good in this series.
The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.
Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.
Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.
And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.
Consistency among morons is rarely achieved.
Torres has been our best hitter this postseason and had been hitting 3rd the last two games. Moving him out of that spot to split up right handed hitters was overthinking things. I'm not really sure I understand the need to appeal to authority here. Boone can be an excellent manager, but also have made a mistake.
Again it's possible that it doesn't make a difference in the game. But the effects of it were felt right away in the first inning.
Does a rain out def give us Cole game 7?
If so that will be tough in Houston
I think next two are must wins before we get back to Houston and then we can steal one there. Damn game 2 is looming large as a missed opp
The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.
Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.
Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.
And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.
Consistency among morons is rarely achieved.
where I would agree is that the right result does not mean it was the right move. However, what I don't agree is that the manager's move was the right move at the time. I would agree it was defensible, but not sure that it was the correct decision regardless of result. The result just makes it worse. It is the same when Girardi hooked Robertson in the 09 ALCS against the Angels, it was defensible, but Robertson was dealing and it did not show a good feel for the game. As to Gardener third, again, I don't know the analytics behind it but I will assume that they are there, but who you put in your three hole matters. I just don't get that move, especially they way Gardner has been playing. And, last night, it had a real practical effect in that they were able to avoid Gleyber in the first inning by giving him the open base.
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everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.
You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.
Flaky, huh? Or, I just respond to what's going on in the series. Yes, I (like everyone) was happy when we were up 1-0. And now, I, like pretty much everyone, isn't as confident now that we're down 2-1.
Crazy stuff. I know.
Yea it's ridiculous. There is no defense of Boone here. Fuck analytics. Torres should be batting third. That first inning could have been different and getting runs off Cole early would have changed entire game. Stadium would have been jumping and he would have felt a little more pressure. Feel for the game is something I think Boone struggles with.
He's clearly the reason we lost.....
Jesus.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
But in an Era where the HR ball is prevalent, you can see one happen at any time. Green giving up a gopher ball vs. Ottavino isn't that much of a stretch.
Look at the number of times a starter is cruising through a lineup. They go into an inning and the leadoff batter hits a dinger. Happens to Tanaka a lot. If that happens to Green, people are screaming that he shouldn't be pitching his 3rd inning. Boone went on statistics and it didn't work. If he went on "feel" that could just have easily backfired. Heck, putting gardy in the 3 hole might have been done on "feel".
You guys just can't have it both ways. We had chances to score the past two games and didn't. That's on the players to execute.
He's clearly the reason we lost.....
Jesus.
Did I say he was reason we lost? Please let me hear your defense of Boone when it comes to Torres not batting 3rd.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
Any decision they has Gardner batting 3rd over Torres I question. Whether it's analytics being shit or Boone not having a feel, either way it's bad. I would argue it's Boone relying too much on analytics and not enough on common baseball knowledge and feel.
Torres should be batting 3rd
Hopefully they cancel it early and not make fans show up first
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.
Two in scoring position with one out, down one could have been a game changer
When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?
That isn't situational hitting because the longer a count goes, the more guessing the batter has to do, especially in an unfavorable count.
Didi got his pitch to hit and missed it by a couple of feet. You want him to take that swing.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.
with regards to the at bats- man it's frustrating to watch when Didi is swinging first pitch and sees a total of 3 pitches in his first 3 ABs. But the metrics do say that your absolute best chance of hitting Cole is on the first pitch. Batting average drops significantly the deeper you get in counts. That was obviously the game plan. Did it work?? eh...With that being said, if Cole walks someone on 4 straight pitches before you, you should be taking first pitch.
When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?
You did not say it, but it is inherent in what you said. Because in order for me to criticize how Boone adapts to the game I have to make judgments about how the game is being played. Now, of course, I would never say my feel for the game is better than Boone or any big league manager for that matter but I am not sure how I evaluate it if I don't have some idea of what I am watching and have an opinion on it. Doesn't mean I am right and it doesn't mean Boone was wrong, but if I am going to criticize his analytical approach to the game flow, I am not sure how I do it without substituting my view of the game. I am not trying to be difficult, but according to your viewpoint a manager's approach to game flow would be hard for any lay person to critique. Maybe that is right in the scheme of things (like who really cares what we think), but for a message board conversation I am not sure I know of another way.
Series is far from over, but nobody would be surprised if it’s a replay of 2017. Their players are just executing better, in all phases. Sure, on paper, our players put up as good if not better stats on their baseball cards. But their team is just doing better. Is it analytics putting them in better position or coaching giving them better instructions I don’t know. Is it oh that’s how baseball goes the better team doesn’t always win or the other team got all the lucky bounces in a game of inches? All I know is we haven’t won since 2009 with one of the top payrolls consistently. Not everything is peachy.
Being one of the top 4 teams in baseball may not be "peachy", but I have no idea what the fuck that means in this context.
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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.
But a close game "flows" on every single pitch. Each a separate discrete point.
Want proof?
Two different pitches from Yankee pitchers and its 3-0 Yankees.
When you have as many men on base as the Yankees have had....two swings also changed the "flow" of the games.
Boone thought that DJ and Judge could get good pitches on their own. Putting Torres further down more likely than not would generate 1-4 better pitches ahead of Torres since Astro thinking would have been to get those guys off the bases when Torres was up.
Instead of taking their walks...our hitters tried to hit.
imho, the hitters have forgotten to be all out savages every single pitch. Every single pitch.
Close games are about execution. but that's data not emotion. Emotional after the fact guys torture the data into confessing someone to blame...usually substitutes for their own managers in life
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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.
The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.
These discussions usually end up in the following:
"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or
"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".
Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.
I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.
Actually, no, I specifically said I am not advocating for pulling the batting order out of a hat. I just used it as an example that sometimes managers have a feel for what their teams needed any Billy probably one of baseball's best mind.
In a tight game all flips( pitches) have much closer to a 50/50 outcome. So "probability or flow" gets to be much much less and 50/50 outcomes a larger percentage of the eventual result.
The Yankee history is loaded with guys who came up dry in playoff series and guys who hit out their ass and guys who just got that one hit ( Luis Soto). Why is that different now?
There was only one Yankee who demonstrably played better in playoffs and Ws over a sufficient sample size. He just got into the Hall of Fame.
I sure never thought Torre had a feel for the game and especially a feel for pitchers
I'm waiting for you to shut the fuck up about it or from being insufferable in the Game Thread.
We can't always get what we want.
Courtesy of the Rolling Stones.
Jesus Christ get over it. I don't think anyone believes that was the proper move but can you shut the hell up about it already? Fuck.
Yes, he announced Greinke and Verlander for 4 and 5.
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Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.
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Still confident they beat Verlander.
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Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.
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I said last night, a rainout actually could help the Yankees because it will force a few things
- You know you are getting Verlander again. I'd rather get him at Yankee Stadium
- I stand by what I wrote last night, I think the Yankees slaughter them in Game 4, Grienke or their bullpen game won't matter. Hinch knows that's a gravy game in the set up as he realistically wants to take 2 of 3 in Yankee Stadium. If things get out of hand quick (and I expect it will), he's going to toss out his 11th man in the pen to get his stool pushed in and save his other arms for Game 5. That game has 10-3 or worse written all over it.
- The Yankees must go back to Houston up 3-2. They do that and that forces Hinch's hand to start Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest. The Yankees can throw a bullpen game in Game 6 and save Severino and possibly Tananka and their pen for Game 7. Hinch is out of bullets at that point since he won't have Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander comes in for an inning or so). Hinch can't hope to throw a bullpen game at the Yankees because he might never get to Cole. Get the Astros forcing elimination going back to Houston just like they did in 2017, but this time the Yankees will have the advantage.
I do worry about the Yankees pen dying, but this is how they were built. We need Ottovino to figure it out quick. And if Stanton isn't ready to play for Game 4, I think the Yankees should pull the plug on him for the rest of the season and bring up someone who can help (Voit, Ford, etc).
Are you sure about that? These are his postseason numbers:The 26-year-old Sanchez, who is now batting .174 (16-for-92) in 24 career playoff games...but lets wait for that one glorious swing. And I think Romine blocks that pitch last night as well. When Gary is struggling at the plate, he does tend to take out on the field as well.
One game sitting wouldn't hurt at this point.
He's not Bill Dickey, he would have moved his body and used
he chest protector. That's why they give you 'the tools of ignorance' back there. Sanchez didn't move his body,
hit his shoulder.
I disagree, only criticizing him for last night's effort
at blocking the pitch. You are talking about last year,
that's not coming from me. He has been better in general.
It's not lazy in any way, plenty of catchers would have blocked that pitch btw.
He didn't move his body, that's what you have to do first.
Have some perspective there. That's not only on the pitcher, it would have taken an extraordinary effort to block the pitch.
But Romine is the man to do it??
Have some perspective there. That's not only on the pitcher, it would have taken an extraordinary effort to block the pitch.
But Romine is the man to do it??
Not sure any catcher stops either one, they both jumped straight up. Kind of annoyed me he missed the second one on the heels of the 1st one, but the technique is to drop and bend into it. Not likely that technique would have worked. Britton does that every now and then. Shows how much spin he puts on the ball. It did not even hit the plate and it popped up.