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RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 2:04 pm


George Springer (R) RF
Michael Brantley (L) LF
José Altuve (R) 2B
Alex Bregman (R) 3B
Yordan Alvarez (L) DH
Yuli Gurriel (R) 1B
Carlos Correa (R) SS
Robinson Chirinos (R) CA
Jake Marisnick (R) CF
Gerrit Cole (R) PI

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Let's go Sevy!  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 2:07 pm : link
We need a first half 2018 type of effort. Hope he has it in him, with help from the shadows.
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Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:17 pm : link
Biggest Yankee game in a long long time.

Let's Fucking Go.
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arcarsenal : 10/15/2019 2:22 pm : link
Absolutely massive. Have to fucking win.

Let's go, Yanks.
Surprised  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 2:26 pm : link
Maybin is out of the lineup. He’s 4-9 vs Cole career.
RE: Let's go Sevy!  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 2:27 pm : link
In comment 14629637 bceagle05 said:
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We need a first half 2018 type of effort. Hope he has it in him, with help from the shadows.


Yes, and we need more than a couple of innings from him too
Let's leave all the negative shit on the previous couple of threads.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 2:27 pm : link
Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.
RE: Let's leave all the negative shit on the previous couple of threads.  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
In comment 14629661 bceagle05 said:
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Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.

Yep Cole is due to blow up. You can't pitch perfect forever why not today out in the Bronx Zoo?
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Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 2:31 pm : link
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Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:33 pm : link
Any streams? I'm stuck at work until 5. I have the Fox Sports go app. Any idea if it will be on that?
RE: RE: Let's leave all the negative shit on the previous couple of threads.  
JeffAces28 : 10/15/2019 2:34 pm : link
In comment 14629665 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14629661 bceagle05 said:


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Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.


Yep Cole is due to blow up. You can't pitch perfect forever why not today out in the Bronx Zoo?


Yankee Stadium is a different beast in the playoffs. LFG!!!
RE: .  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14629668 Danny Kanell said:
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Any streams? I'm stuck at work until 5. I have the Fox Sports go app. Any idea if it will be on that?


FS1 is broadcasting so it should be on Fox Sports App
RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 2:38 pm : link
In comment 14629668 Danny Kanell said:
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Any streams? I'm stuck at work until 5. I have the Fox Sports go app. Any idea if it will be on that?


If you have a cable login, you can get the game on the fox sports app
Does Reddit have stream?  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 2:39 pm : link


Let's go Yanks!
Saved me  
Thegratefulhead : 10/15/2019 2:48 pm : link
I would have missed this game, thought it was 4 pm PT. Thanks for the post. Good luck all. I think we get to Cole early. Just a feeling.
RE: Does Reddit have stream?  
Ira : 10/15/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14629677 BleedBlue said:
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Let's go Yanks!


https://www.reddit.com/r/MLBStreams/


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Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14629675 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14629668 Danny Kanell said:


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Any streams? I'm stuck at work until 5. I have the Fox Sports go app. Any idea if it will be on that?



If you have a cable login, you can get the game on the fox sports app


I do. Ok great thanks
Intrigued to see  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 2:52 pm : link
if we can rattle Cole a bit, pitching in a truly hostile environment, also considering his interesting history with the Yankees. Minute Maid has been friendly confines for the Astros in the postseason traditionally. But the results have been mixed on the road.
Be nice if  
winoguy : 10/15/2019 2:56 pm : link
Edwin and Gary showed up.
Spreading the lefties out  
Nick in LA : 10/15/2019 3:02 pm : link
R-R-L-R-R-L-R-R-L
Yankee Stadium needs to really bring it today  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 3:04 pm : link
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my thoughts for today's game  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 3:07 pm : link
everyone steps up and we embarass the Astros.

LET'S GO!
RE: .  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 3:10 pm : link
In comment 14629666 Jints in Carolina said:
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Outstanding! Let’s fucking go Yankees
RE: Be nice if  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 3:18 pm : link
In comment 14629694 winoguy said:
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Edwin and Gary showed up.


Amen!
Game 3 is not a must win  
Bramton1 : 10/15/2019 3:28 pm : link
But if we're going to have a shot, we need to take at least 2 out of three in the Bronx. And I am not confident we could go back to back in Games 4 and 5.
Roll Call  
Nick in LA : 10/15/2019 3:30 pm : link
for the lucky bastards going to this game!
Anyone?
RE: Game 3 is not a must win  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 3:30 pm : link
In comment 14629721 Bramton1 said:
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But if we're going to have a shot, we need to take at least 2 out of three in the Bronx. And I am not confident we could go back to back in Games 4 and 5.


Every game is winnable and I see no reason to believe we can't win out one game at a time. Let's start tonight.
This isnt the Rays lineup  
Br00klyn : 10/15/2019 3:32 pm : link
its not gonna be as easy as its been for Cole. Have a feeling were gonna put some runs up early against him. Sevy needs to get through at least 5 today
You guys have talked  
dune69 : 10/15/2019 3:47 pm : link
this all out in the past 24 hours and I've read every thread. Great job.

Now let's go win a f*&k'n baseball game!!!!!
How the fuck..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 3:52 pm : link
can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???
F-ing Stanton  
Beer Man : 10/15/2019 4:00 pm : link
Hurt again. Another player with a mega contract that can't stay healthy enough to play. What a waste.
RE: How the fuck..  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:03 pm : link
In comment 14629738 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???


He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...

Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.
I've got some healthy butterflies for this one  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:05 pm : link
let's fucking GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
RE: Let's leave all the negative shit on the previous couple of threads.  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 4:08 pm : link
In comment 14629661 bceagle05 said:
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Positive vibes here. I think Mr. Cole is due for a loss.


Cheers to that and I hope we do get a positive thread. It's the friggin ALCS and we should all be enjoying this. Save the moaning and groaning for an off season thread.

GO YANKEES!
Sevy and the Pen...  
Jim in Tampa : 10/15/2019 4:09 pm : link
Just have to play Cole even and then get to the Houston pen.

(It should have worked against Verlander;>)
Just saw a KRAKEN Rum commercial on the Canadian feed  
Jay in Toronto : 10/15/2019 4:10 pm : link
Sanchez will Break out
unreal  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:10 pm : link
maybe the worst slider i've seen Sevy throw.

1-0
This is not the team  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:10 pm : link
to be throwing meatballs to.
Fuck not a good start  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 4:10 pm : link
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Oh boy  
micky : 10/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
Oye
RE: RE: How the fuck..  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14629756 section125 said:
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In comment 14629738 FatMan in Charlotte said:


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can we win when we're facing the best pitcher in MLB history???



He has to lose sometime. Might as well be today. Remember, Brady was 18-0 and the unbeatable Patriots lost to the 11-7 Giants. This is not that big of a difference...

Meantime, I'll be signing off until after the game or when the Yanks get up 8-0.


Yup.

He's 18-0 in his last 24 starts so that tells me 25% of the time he hasn't won.
worst thing possible to start.  
BigBlue2112 : 10/15/2019 4:11 pm : link
Crowds out of it now. 1 run feels like a mountain against Cole...
Gerrit Cole spurned the Yankees 11 years ago, now he’ll face them  
Stan in LA : 10/15/2019 4:12 pm : link
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The day the 2008 MLB draft started, Gerrit Cole, one of the best high school pitchers in the country, went golfing with his friends. He had a fastball that touched the high 90s and all the makings of a front-line starter, but he did not expect to be selected early.

Leading up to the draft, Cole and his handlers had informed every team that he intended to go to UCLA. Scott Boras, Cole’s advisor, had told teams it’d take a “substantial bonus” for him to sign. From what Cole’s camp had been hearing, that message had scared most teams away.

Then the New York Yankees called. Cole’s favorite team had taken him in the first round, No. 28 overall. Cole called his pitching coach, Zak Doan.

“I just remember him screaming, going, ‘What the heck!’ Doan said. “We were all shocked they picked him.”

After much discussion, the Coles decided Gerrit would attend UCLA. He would learn under coach John Savage, work toward a college degree and still be only 20 years old for the 2011 draft. Mark even took out a sizable insurance policy to protect Gerrit in case of injury while in college.

The Coles had been holding firm in that decision until the Yankees called.

“I thought the pick deserved some serious thought,” Gerrit said. “We kind of reevaluated the process after that happened.”

One factor: Gerrit had grown up a huge Yankees fan, with a Derek Jeter poster on his bedroom wall. He had attended Game 7 of the 2001 World Series in Arizona, clutching a sign that read, “Yankee Fan Today, Tomorrow, Forever.” He’d inherited his fandom from his father, who spent part of his childhood in upstate New York.

Ultimately, though, the Coles reached the same conclusion: Gerrit would go to college first.

“We just felt confident sticking with the plan,” he said.

Mark remembers having a conversation with the Yankees about two to three weeks before the signing deadline, and having to break the news. The team wanted to fly to California, meet the Coles, give a sales pitch.

“And I said to them, ‘Since there’s no chance that this is going to happen, Gerrit wants to go to UCLA, there’s no reason to sit down,’ ” Mark said.

He felt as if they would be unfairly leading on the Yankees by even meeting.

“There were never any discussions,” he said. “There was never a meeting. There was never a negotiation.”

Boras said the Yankees made “a very qualified offer.” But Mark maintains that the family never discussed specific dollar figures with the team. In fact, he says, the family never spoke with the Yankees after turning down that meeting.

“There was some disappointment [on the Yankees’ side],” Mark said, “because they wanted to have a chance. But the decision had already been made.”

Boras, Cole’s agent, echoed that sentiment.

“This was not about the Yankees,” he said. “It was really about what’s the best time for Gerrit to enter pro baseball.”

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I hope sevy doesn't start nibbling now  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
Can't afford to start walking people either
Bad feeling  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
here. I'd be surprised if we scored more than 2 off Cole if that.
Fuck all the Coles  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
Lying fucks.
Sevy so far  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:16 pm : link
can't command his pitches and his velocity is down.

Let's go baby.
Is Sevy serious?  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:17 pm : link
.
Sevy isn't sharp at all  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:18 pm : link
I don't think he'll last long in this game.
he will get it figured out  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:18 pm : link
just has to knuckle down now.
Geez..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 4:20 pm : link
at 21 pitches with only 1 out
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 4:20 pm : link
Thank God it's gonna rain tomorrow because the pen will be in soon enough.
This is not what we needed  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2019 4:20 pm : link
Fucking 20 pitches already and one out
Really awful start for Sevy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:21 pm : link
This rotation needs to be fixed in the offseason, big time.
Sevi always comes out overly pumped up for these games  
Dave in PA : 10/15/2019 4:23 pm : link
His first inning performance really shouldn’t be a surprise
cheap and lucky  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:24 pm : link
infield hit for Gurriel. Thought he was out of this inning.
well, shit, not getting any lucky either  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:24 pm : link
Wouldn't have broken a pane of glass with that "hit"
someone needs to walk over  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:24 pm : link
and shit in Altuve's mouth. You wouldn't even need to squat.
is he really going to throw over 30 pitches in the 1st?  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 4:25 pm : link
unreal.
Couldn't if asked for a worse start  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 4:26 pm : link
This is awful
that was a fucking strike to Alvarez  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:26 pm : link
jesus.
RE: Sevi always comes out overly pumped up for these games  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14629804 Dave in PA said:
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His first inning performance really shouldn’t be a surprise


That's nice and all, but in this game that could be the difference. Have to do better in the postseason.
Severino throws entirely too many  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
pitches. He's a power pitcher. This nibbling is bullshit. He got squeezed there a bit, but this is unacceptable.
This asshole is the last guy  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
I want to see at the plate right now. This sucks.
RE: is he really going to throw over 30 pitches in the 1st?  
rnargi : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
In comment 14629809 Jints in Carolina said:
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unreal.


He may not get OUT of the first. What a disaster. This guy seems to be incapable of checking his emotions at the beginning of big games
..  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
Joke
Sevy  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:27 pm : link
Looks terrible.

Pull him before it’s 4-0
RE: Sevy  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 4:28 pm : link
In comment 14629819 superspynyg said:
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Looks terrible.

Pull him before it’s 4-0


Zero command. Ug
Smoltz and Buck  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:29 pm : link
and go blow themselves. Stop with the nonsensical hysteria.
ugly inning  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:29 pm : link
but it's one fucking run. Let's just handle our business.
Lucky to be out of it  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:29 pm : link
with only 1 run given up.
exhale.  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:30 pm : link
now get to work.
All part of our master plan  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
to have a cold Gerrit Cole in the first inning.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 4:31 pm : link
Extremely lucky to be out of that down 1.
Change of plan  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
Use the bullpen tonight

Game 4 go with Tanaka....especially if the game is not played till Thurs.
RE: All part of our master plan  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
In comment 14629830 bceagle05 said:
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to have a cold Gerrit Cole in the first inning.


#OperationGerritCold
it's not what you want  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:32 pm : link
But he limited the damage. Let's go to work now.
I don't know what is in his head,  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:33 pm : link
but how many postseason games has he started like this. Perhaps he needs ao opener.

And Gary has to get him to speed up. When he pitches well, he gets the ball, gets his sign and throws it. He was painfully slow.
36 fucking pitches  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 4:33 pm : link
We need a rain out tomorrow.
And fuck this ump  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:33 pm : link
He sure as shit didn't give Severino any gifts like that called strike one
RE: ugly inning  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
In comment 14629827 RasputinPrime said:
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but it's one fucking run. Let's just handle our business.


Yup. All those pitches cost Sevy an inning but biggest thing is he got out of it. Now he just has to get control of his off speed stuff.
LeMahieu breaks up Cole’s perfect game  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 4:34 pm : link
you see, he’s not a machine, he’s a man!
Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
that could have been 1st and 3rd
So much for the no no  
dune69 : 10/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
Gerrit
Gleyber= star of the yankees  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:35 pm : link
Judge= face of the Yankees

LeMahiue is the heart!
I hate sacrifice bunting  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
but i'd consider it right here.
Ugh, Gardner  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
Come on.
RE: I hate sacrifice bunting  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:36 pm : link
In comment 14629852 bigbluehoya said:
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but i'd consider it right here.


With a strikeout machine on the mound? I'm not giving up an out, certainly not this early.
EE...  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:37 pm : link
...Stanton must be incapable of swinging to have him on the bench with how awful Edwin has been.
RE: RE: I hate sacrifice bunting  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14629855 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14629852 bigbluehoya said:


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but i'd consider it right here.



With a strikeout machine on the mound? I'm not giving up an out, certainly not this early.


with anything resembling a typical 3/4/5 hitter in that spot id have agreed.
.  
Danny Kanell : 10/15/2019 4:38 pm : link
Unfuckingreal
Come on Gleyber  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 4:38 pm : link
Cole is being careful with him
Cole wanted no part of Torres  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
He should've been hitting third today.
time for some Didi  
RasputinPrime : 10/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
magic. Amazing how Cole isn't pitching any better than Sevy isn't it.
Only takes one swing, Didi  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
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Batting Gardner and EE behind DJ and Judge....  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 4:40 pm : link
is just stupid. String your best hitters together.
fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
.
RE: Only takes one swing, Didi  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
In comment 14629865 Greg from LI said:
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He gave you one swing alright.
dude just threq 4 straight balls  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
and you swing at the first pitch..
Complete waist of hitters  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
Gardner, EE and Didi

Frustrating inning  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
Gardy need to at least have a productive out, and EE needs to get his mojo back
...  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 4:41 pm : link
Didi with another gem of an AB. EE too
Oh god dammit Didi  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
Take a fucking pitch or two.
RE: Complete waist of hitters  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14629871 superspynyg said:
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Gardner, EE and Didi


And yes I am over exaggerating!
Bad on didi  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
Guy threw 4 straight to torres ugh
RE: Complete waist of hitters  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
In comment 14629871 superspynyg said:
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Gardner, EE and Didi


Said this yesterday and got attacked lol
3 runners on and  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
Cole only threw 14 pitches...but he is hittable today.
Late to the party  
mattnyg05 : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
Why the fuck is Torres not batting 3rd????
the worst part about the playoffs  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:42 pm : link
is all the Johnny come latelys who show up and do nothing but piss and whine and moan
Didi just makes you shake your head sometimes.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
Ugh.
It's early  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
and hopefully they go on a tear but if this team can't string hits together today to knock in some runs, I'm pointing the finger at Boone. I hate this lineup he's rolling out there today.
RE: ...  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14629873 BleedBlue said:
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Didi with another gem of an AB. EE too


Is your other name prdave73?
RE: Late to the party  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14629881 mattnyg05 said:
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Why the fuck is Torres not batting 3rd????


Bad decision. Best hitter in the postseason, he has to bat third.
I just don’t  
Nick in LA : 10/15/2019 4:44 pm : link
understand how you go up there hacking after a 4 pitch walk. What the fuck man
head shaker-  
BigBlue2112 : 10/15/2019 4:44 pm : link
if you dont bunt with Gardy bc EE is struggling behind him then dont put EE @ cleanup
Hopefully  
Nick in LA : 10/15/2019 4:45 pm : link
Sevy settles in here and has a nice easy inning
RE: 3 runners on and  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 4:45 pm : link
In comment 14629880 section125 said:
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Cole only threw 14 pitches...but he is hittable today.


or yankees jjst bailed him out and he settles down
GETBIMTHE FUCK OUT OF THIS GAME  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
Boone you asshole!
Yeah...  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
Get Sevy out of here. He has zero control. 1-2 count and you throw yet another meatball for a home run.
Yikes  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
.
jesus....  
BigBlue2112 : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
big game 4 coming up
Dammitt..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
we'll go to the bullpen early, trailing and having to scrape together rallys.

We better have a rainout tomorrow.
RE: I just don’t  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
In comment 14629889 Nick in LA said:
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understand how you go up there hacking after a 4 pitch walk. What the fuck man


Because the pitcher is likely looking to get back on track by throwing a strike. Could be the best pitch of the AB you'll see. With bases loaded if you see a pitch to hit take your chances.
what are you waiting for?  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 4:47 pm : link
you couldnt pull tanaka quick enough, what did the computer freeze and you dont know what to do?
NO  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
Starting pitching at all
I had a feeling Sevy was not ready.  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
Cashman only mistake this year was not getting a SP
i mean Josh fucking Reddick  
Jints in Carolina : 10/15/2019 4:48 pm : link
are you fucking kidding me
pffff  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 4:49 pm : link
here comes 7+ innings of bullpen tax. hold on to your hats.

If this gets ugly they need to just force Cessa and Happ to eat all of the shit today.
RE: jesus....  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14629903 BigBlue2112 said:
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big game 4 coming up


Since your quitting on this game down 2 in the 2nd inning.....do us a favor and stay the fuck off this thread for the rest of this game.
LOLSevy.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
Fuck off.
RE:  
Mr. Bungle : 10/15/2019 4:50 pm : link
In comment 14629904 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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We better have a rainout tomorrow.

Will almost certainly happen. It's supposed to be horrible here tomorrow.
RE: I had a feeling Sevy was not ready.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14629909 superspynyg said:
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Cashman only mistake this year was not getting a SP


Pretty big mistake. I look forward to another offseason of adding to the offense and leaving the starting rotation in the awful shape it's in.
Severino is not ready for  
prdave73 : 10/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..
Sevy can't even field  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 4:52 pm : link
That was an easy out.
He's like a deer  
Bubba : 10/15/2019 4:54 pm : link
in the headlights.
RE: RE: Late to the party  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 4:56 pm : link
In comment 14629888 Nine-Tails said:
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In comment 14629881 mattnyg05 said:


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Why the fuck is Torres not batting 3rd????



Bad decision. Best hitter in the postseason, he has to bat third.


I was surprised to see him dropped in the order. Especially since you gotta figure Cole will get some 1-2-3 innings and you want the hot Gleyber getting as many AB's as possible.
But Brantley doesn't  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:56 pm : link
strike out.......
Reverse Lock  
GruningsOnTheHill : 10/15/2019 4:57 pm : link
This game seems so lopsided now, but the Yankees will pull it out.

Book it.
.  
Bill2 : 10/15/2019 4:57 pm : link
Hey gmanjoe
RE: Severino is not ready for  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14629916 prdave73 said:
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Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..


bahahaha....look who shows up! I'm just shocked.
RE: .  
section125 : 10/15/2019 4:59 pm : link
In comment 14629925 Bill2 said:
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Hey gmanjoe


Haha. they all crawl out to troll...like moths to the flame.
Gleyber hitting fifth  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 4:59 pm : link
makes absolutely zero sense and is completely overthinking
RE: Severino is not ready for  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 5:01 pm : link
In comment 14629916 prdave73 said:
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Playoffs.. it’s a different from regular season. He Can’t handle this pressure. This is why the Yanks should of won last game. With Cold on the mound it doesn’t look good..


On cue, the whiny little bitch shows up. Stay away, nobody likes you here. Why would you want to post somewhere where nobody can stand you???
Go easy on prdave...  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 5:03 pm : link
Alex Cora had a rough season, after all...
Damn...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 5:04 pm : link
hearing that we could have had Cole for Andujar and Frazier is a real kick in the nuts. To be fair I thought that was way too much to give up for Cole at the time.
Nice at bat from Hicks  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 5:05 pm : link
That's encouraging.
RE: RE: I had a feeling Sevy was not ready.  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14629915 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 14629909 superspynyg said:


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Cashman only mistake this year was not getting a SP



Pretty big mistake. I look forward to another offseason of adding to the offense and leaving the starting rotation in the awful shape it's in.


Book it. I would give Cole a blank check, but I doubt Cash would
RE: Nice at bat from Hicks  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14629938 illmatic said:
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That's encouraging.


Seriously. Make him work
Hicks has no chance  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 5:06 pm : link
BUt he is making Cole work...so that is good
RE: Damn...  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14629937 Tesla said:
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hearing that we could have had Cole for Andujar and Frazier is a real kick in the nuts. To be fair I thought that was way too much to give up for Cole at the time.


I thought the same too. But, the pirates gm still took a lesser offer from Houston just because we didn’t give him what he wanted. Their Gm first asked for Torres, then moved to those two. How the hell didn’t he ask Houston for Alvarez, Whitley, or Tucker’s?
Now Judge should get  
mattnyg05 : 10/15/2019 5:08 pm : link
Zero to hit here
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
Yankees have had five runners on base.

Gotta cash in.
Can we put up seven zeros?  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 5:12 pm : link
We may need to.
RE: Can we put up seven zeros?  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14629951 bceagle05 said:
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We may need to.


It’s possible, but will we score?
Damn! Keep plugging away boys  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 5:14 pm : link
This guy is human. A bloop and a blast is all we need
Great job Sevy  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 5:16 pm : link
6 pitch inning and gets Cole right back out there. Now we need to make him work again starting with Gardy.
Keep it close..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 5:17 pm : link
make him keep working deep in the count and get to their bullpen.
...  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:17 pm : link
Great inning from sevy
what starting pitcher  
Bill2 : 10/15/2019 5:19 pm : link
did you want to match Verlander or Cole?

Who would you have traded?

How much would you add to payroll?

Most of all who was available?

Otherwise its noise
If only we could find a way to sneak LeMahieu up to bat more than once  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 5:20 pm : link
per inning
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:20 pm : link
Way to make him work boys.

EE fucking blows. Sit that slob down.

Him gardy 3-4 is a crime
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 5:20 pm : link
I have loved what Gardner has done all year (his best season). I don’t love him against elite pitchers. I would have gone with Maybin over him today. He looks overmatched.
Is Stanton available to hit for EE  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 5:21 pm : link
next time around? A gimpy Stanton is much better at this point.
If Boone is serious about winning this game...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 5:21 pm : link
he needs to pinch hit for EE next time up. Put Stanton or Maybin in. EE has zero chance right now. Two outs on two pitches for him too. Just awful.
another crap call  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 5:21 pm : link
This fucker is good enough on his own. He doesn't need the gift strikes.
.  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 5:21 pm : link
We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough
RE: .  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14629971 Kyle in NY said:
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We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough



Boones a fucking clown.
RE: Is Stanton available to hit for EE  
Vanzetti : 10/15/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14629968 illmatic said:
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next time around? A gimpy Stanton is much better at this point.


He has the sniffles. Not available
It would be really nice  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 5:29 pm : link
if Severino could get through this inning without giving up a run. I'm assuming it's his last being at 75 pitches already.
WTF Gardner????  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 5:34 pm : link
If he can't hit and can't field why is he playing?
RE: RE: .  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 5:35 pm : link
In comment 14629972 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14629971 Kyle in NY said:


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We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough




Boones a fucking clown.


Is that a serious comment or are you the fucking clown??
Oh, he’s the fucking clown.  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 5:38 pm : link
His bitch ass gave up less than an hour into game 2 and had the Astros going to the series.
RE: It would be really nice  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 5:39 pm : link
In comment 14629974 illmatic said:
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if Severino could get through this inning without giving up a run. I'm assuming it's his last being at 75 pitches already.


I think they'd let him go 95-100 but he's probably done because they don't want him seeing those guys a 3rd time.
Not ideal  
JoeMoney19 : 10/15/2019 5:41 pm : link
but still a pretty gritty performance by Severino. The wheels could have come off a few times and he really bore down.
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 5:41 pm : link
The corporate schmucks in the stands sound really quiet today. Was much louder against the Twins.

Two runs should not be a crowd killer. Maybe it’s because it’s a day game?
Funny it's only 2-0 but it feels like more  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 5:42 pm : link
With Cole dealing. We can do this! It's only 2
RE: Oh, he’s the fucking clown.  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:43 pm : link
In comment 14629980 Hsilwek92 said:
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His bitch ass gave up less than an hour into game 2 and had the Astros going to the series.



Lmfao.


If you think batting gardy 3 and EE 4 is a smart move. You don't know much about baseball. Neither guy should be batting there. Torres should be batting third.

Gardy and EE along with Didi and Sanchez are lost at the plate right now....I have been saying this.
It's crazy how bad  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 5:44 pm : link
EE, Didi and Sanchez have been. Seems like they make zero adjustments and they can't even luck themselves into getting on base. It's just so frustrating to watch. They're better than this.
RE: RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 5:45 pm : link
In comment 14629972 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14629971 Kyle in NY said:


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We have maybe our 6th and 7th best hitters going 3-4 in this lineup. That’s tough




Boones a fucking clown.


I don’t agree with the lineup, but he’s not the clown here.
Trade Stanton  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 5:45 pm : link
In the off-season for almost nothing. He is useless to us!
Hicks is about to  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 5:45 pm : link
tie it up right here.
RE: It's crazy how bad  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:46 pm : link
In comment 14629988 illmatic said:
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EE, Didi and Sanchez have been. Seems like they make zero adjustments and they can't even luck themselves into getting on base. It's just so frustrating to watch. They're better than this.



Yea it's bad. They need to change approach. EE needs to see more pitches. Sanchez needs to stop swinging at trash
Lost strike zone  
micky : 10/15/2019 5:46 pm : link
.
Cole  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
Looks oddly human today so far.

....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
How about a 3 run bomb from DJ here
Work bb's  
micky : 10/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
Best you can do know
Players I don’t want back next year  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
Happ
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks

And sad to say
Didi
Have to give this ump credit  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 5:47 pm : link
Seems to be a tight, consistent strike zone so far. Sevy not getting extra inches off plate and neither has Cole
RE: Players I don’t want back next year  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:48 pm : link
In comment 14629998 superspynyg said:
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Happ
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks

And sad to say
Didi



Hicks had two solid ABs. His first was really awesome.
RE: Players I don’t want back next year  
Dave in PA : 10/15/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14629998 superspynyg said:
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Happ
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks

And sad to say
Didi
lets just wait to see what happens in this series first
Oh well  
micky : 10/15/2019 5:49 pm : link
Nice try though
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:49 pm : link
Two quick outs then we threaten.

They need to start the inning sooner lol

.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
Cole has not looked good. Too many holes in the lineup right now. Yankees have a couple guys who need to breakout.
7 LOB  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
frustrating game. Someone needs a big hit
RE: RE: Players I don’t want back next year  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 5:50 pm : link
In comment 14630001 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 14629998 superspynyg said:


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Happ
Stanton
Gardner
Hicks

And sad to say
Didi




Hicks had two solid ABs. His first was really awesome.


Not basing this off one game
RE: .  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:51 pm : link
In comment 14630005 threeofakind33 said:
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Cole has not looked good. Too many holes in the lineup right now. Yankees have a couple guys who need to breakout.



Boone should move EE and gardy down in lineup.

Torres to 3rd
Protest this game  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 5:54 pm : link
Change in umps affects everything!
Geez guys it's the 5th inning of game 3 with the series 1-1  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 5:56 pm : link
Can we lay off the post mortems? You've gotta be kidding me
RE: Geez guys it's the 5th inning of game 3 with the series 1-1  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 5:57 pm : link
In comment 14630015 Stu11 said:
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Can we lay off the post mortems? You've gotta be kidding me



We are gonna win this. Just need to cash in when we get guys on.

Cole looks insanely human
Put Frazier in  
Rob in Corvallis : 10/15/2019 5:58 pm : link
he can hit
RE: Put Frazier in  
beatrixkiddo : 10/15/2019 6:02 pm : link
In comment 14630017 Rob in Corvallis said:
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he can hit


They honestly should. Need production in the middle of this lineup. Way to many cold bats right now.
so boone is going to leave in sevy  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 6:03 pm : link
but wouldnt leave in tanaka in becausr it was 3rd time through the order? why the difference?
Was..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:07 pm : link
taking Tanaka out a move that backfired??

Jesus - second-guessing every move is ridiculous.
RE: so boone is going to leave in sevy  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:10 pm : link
In comment 14630020 nygiants16 said:
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but wouldnt leave in tanaka in becausr it was 3rd time through the order? why the difference?



Rest is everything for Tanaka. His production falls off as pitch count rises. Sevy is a power guy. He typically gets stronger as game goes on. I don't mind this.
.....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:12 pm : link
Sad that we can't get a starter to get through 5 last two games
RE: Was..  
nygiants16 : 10/15/2019 6:13 pm : link
In comment 14630023 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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taking Tanaka out a move that backfired??

Jesus - second-guessing every move is ridiculous.


i am just asking a question did i say it didnt work? take a breathe
No problem with Sevy starting the 5th....  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:14 pm : link
but leaving him in to face Bregman was asking for serious trouble. Could have been a lot worse than a walk there.
Sevey To Me  
Percy : 10/15/2019 6:16 pm : link
Pitched badly -- badly enough to lose. But he's not who's losing it. The would-be hitters are. They are not getting it done. Big 0 up there is on them, not Sevy.
Green!  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:18 pm : link
He is so good.

He should pitch a couple of innings here, don't pull him too quick boone
RE: Sevey To Me  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:19 pm : link
In comment 14630028 Percy said:
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Pitched badly -- badly enough to lose. But he's not who's losing it. The would-be hitters are. They are not getting it done. Big 0 up there is on them, not Sevy.



Agreed. When you're 3 hitter isn't doing shit it's pretty simple, he shouldn't be batting 3rd. I expected better ABs from EE and Sanchez too


We are gonna get some runs here tho
I would have tried to make that top half of the  
bubba0825 : 10/15/2019 6:21 pm : link
Inning last as long as possible.
.....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:22 pm : link
That was ball 2
This lineup is infinitely better  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:22 pm : link
when they're working deep into counts. It feels like nothing good ever happens when they're swinging just 2 or 3 pitches into the at bat.
Gotta take some pitches  
bubba0825 : 10/15/2019 6:22 pm : link
To see if he lost any control
Gardner  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:23 pm : link
Batting third is fucking inexcusable
Dude isn't a 3 hitter at all
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
Nice adjustment by EE. Seeing more pitches
Holy shit  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
EE hit a double. This means something. This is our game.
You can't call both..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
a high strike to Gardner and the low strike to Edwin.

But a great hit. Pitch count is rising!
So this ump  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 6:25 pm : link
Is giving Cole the high strike on Gardner and two low ones on EE.
Cole  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:27 pm : link
He may make a mistake here
Have a bad feeling....  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:29 pm : link
we are about to get screwed by this ump.
We'll..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
be into the bullpen possibly next inning.
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
This right here is why Torres should be 3 hitter. He sees pitches. He is a pro hitter.
We might push a run or two across in first if he batting third



Now Didi....take some pitches
Didi, if you swing at the first or second pitch  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
it better land in the stands. So help me baby jesus.
Wow..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:31 pm : link
that was close
Fucking motherfucker  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
That did not land in the stands.
RE: Fucking motherfucker  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
In comment 14630053 illmatic said:
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That did not land in the stands.



I would have taken a pitch. He is clearly laboring he would have served a softer pitch
Smoltz keeps acting like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
the delay has no impact on Cole. You never know when a pitcher's arm tightens a little.
Goddamn.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 6:32 pm : link
These games are fucking torture.
How did that ball not get out??  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/15/2019 6:33 pm : link
Ugh!
Didi is garbage right now  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.
The 4 feet Did missed that HR by...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
may end up being the difference between going to the WS and not. Damn.
RE: Smoltz keeps acting like..  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 6:34 pm : link
In comment 14630055 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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the delay has no impact on Cole. You never know when a pitcher's arm tightens a little.


Didn't he specifically say the delay does impact him and takes away a potential extra inning that he could throw?
Where’s Jeffrey Maier  
TDMaker85 : 10/15/2019 6:35 pm : link
When we need him?!
Didi  
Percy : 10/15/2019 6:35 pm : link
That was oh so close! If he's to return maybe a few more pounds, some work with weights would help
RE: Didi is garbage right now  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 6:35 pm : link
In comment 14630058 illmatic said:
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That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.


Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass
RE: RE: Didi is garbage right now  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:36 pm : link
In comment 14630063 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 14630058 illmatic said:


Quote:


That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.



Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass


Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.
RE: Gardner  
adamg : 10/15/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14630041 BleedBlue said:
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Batting third is fucking inexcusable
Dude isn't a 3 hitter at all


Just to be clear, do you like the lineup or not? You haven't really been clear on this.
RE: Didi is garbage right now  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 6:38 pm : link
In comment 14630058 illmatic said:
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That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.


Not a routine out in the Astros own ballpark. Hell, that ball may have gone out in Houston. Right center very similar dimension wise, and weather playing a role.

Cole thought it was out off the bat. That ball just died.

Maldonado ball just died as well.
He was about 5 feet from taking the lead  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 6:39 pm : link
So I'm afraid the onus is on you, shithead
RE: RE: Smoltz keeps acting like..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
In comment 14630060 MookGiants said:
Quote:
In comment 14630055 FatMan in Charlotte said:


Quote:


the delay has no impact on Cole. You never know when a pitcher's arm tightens a little.



Didn't he specifically say the delay does impact him and takes away a potential extra inning that he could throw?


I thought he said that it isn't an issue because it wasn't like a rain delay. It was only a half hour where he said after about 45 minutes you might start to experience issues. I know that when I pitched, long innings would cause me to keep my arm warm, so 30 minutes isn't insignificant.
He hit the ball  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
343 feet and 100+ mph off the bat.

Cole 100% thought it was gone.

That was the kind of swing you want to have on the 1st pitch.

Keep digging in you nitwit
Balls aren't traveling like they were regular season  
adamg : 10/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
Anyone else seeing that? The weather that bad?
Didi swung at a FB over the middle of the plate....  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:40 pm : link
if het let's that the count is 0-1, and he likely does not get a pitch that good to hit for the rest of the AB.

It was a good AB, he just got under it by a millimeter. And some idiots want him benched because of it.
RE: Balls aren't traveling like they were regular season  
bubba0825 : 10/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
In comment 14630073 adamg said:
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Anyone else seeing that? The weather that bad?


Just slightly colder..low 60’s
A ball..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/15/2019 6:41 pm : link
that nearly gives the team a lead is a shitty at bat??

That's specifically the reason you can make a case to swing early against Cole. You might get a pitch to drive. DiDi just missed that.
Lindsey Adler...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:42 pm : link
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?
Even Didi didn't think it was gone  
illmatic : 10/15/2019 6:43 pm : link
and he knows the park better than anyone. You can see he was just hoping it was. But it doesn't matter. It's another poor one pitch at bat but I guess I'm wrong about that. The fan police are here to tell us what to think.
RE: Lindsey Adler...  
bubba0825 : 10/15/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14630078 Tesla said:
Quote:
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?


I’ve seen that one twitter. If true it’s a problem. Big problem
RE: Lindsey Adler...  
adamg : 10/15/2019 6:43 pm : link
In comment 14630078 Tesla said:
Quote:
(who covers Yanks for the Athletic) is convinced they changed balls for postseason. I don't know if that would even be possible. Anybody else making this claim?


I buy that.
RE: RE: RE: Didi is garbage right now  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
In comment 14630064 illmatic said:
Quote:
In comment 14630063 Greg from LI said:


Quote:


In comment 14630058 illmatic said:


Quote:


That only looked somewhat acceptable because it's Yankee Stadium. That's a routine out and a god awful at bat in any other stadium. We need to see some lineup changes going forward.



Who the fuck is this asshole? 104 MPH/343 is "garbage"? Jackass



Yes, he has been garbage lately and that was yet another shitty at bat from him. Tell me why he's not and why it wasn't, though.


So games in the ALDS this year aren't lately?
Wow...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:45 pm : link
there's pretty conclusive data that MLB did in fact change the ball for the playoffs. Crazy if true.
Twitter Link - ( New Window )
Urshela swung at a pitch that almost hit him  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/15/2019 6:46 pm : link
.
RE: Even Didi didn't think it was gone  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:46 pm : link
In comment 14630079 illmatic said:
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and he knows the park better than anyone. You can see he was just hoping it was. But it doesn't matter. It's another poor one pitch at bat but I guess I'm wrong about that. The fan police are here to tell us what to think.


Your'e allowed to say and think whatever you like. And we're allowed to tell you that you sound like an idiot.
Ugh.  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:47 pm : link
Can't get the big hit
I really can't see  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 6:48 pm : link
us winning this game or series. Hope I am super wrong.
WTF is Boone doing here?  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 6:49 pm : link
He pulled Green after 8 pitches. Pulled Kahnle after 7 pitches.

If we do manage to tie this game up we're going to have the same problem as game 2 and will end up losing this game with Cessa/Happ/CC on the mound instead of our elite relievers.
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
At this point, I’m almost more aggravated that Smoltz and Buck continue to act like Cole is pitching a great game. He has a 1.6 WHIP. He has not been good, and been demonstrably worse than in the regular season.
RE: Didi swung at a FB over the middle of the plate....  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 6:50 pm : link
In comment 14630075 Tesla said:
Quote:
if het let's that the count is 0-1, and he likely does not get a pitch that good to hit for the rest of the AB.

It was a good AB, he just got under it by a millimeter. And some idiots want him benched because of it.


Spot on and you have to wonder what the hell some people are thinking about let alone actually spewing their asinine thoughts in posts for all to see.
Here we go with Ottovino.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 6:52 pm : link
.
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:53 pm : link
You guys keep stroking boone but he continues to pull guys way too early
If only the Astros would pinch hit the Babe.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 6:54 pm : link
.
Adam 0  
jgambrosio : 10/15/2019 6:54 pm : link
Coming up with a big 0 in the playoffs.
ottavino  
black aces : 10/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
screwed me over again
Boone totally botched this  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.
Ottavino  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
Has been awful all playoffs. Have to move forward through the series as if he’s not a high leverage option.

Have to stretch Kahnle more.
RE: Here we go with Ottovino.  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
In comment 14630096 bceagle05 said:
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He doesn't have confidence to throw that slider close enough to the plate to look like a strike and it's killing him and us along the way.
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:55 pm : link
This is no good
Having a terrible postseason  
Rick in Dallas : 10/15/2019 6:56 pm : link
Why bring him in to start the 7th in a 2 run game.
RE: Having a terrible postseason  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14630107 Rick in Dallas said:
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Why bring him in to start the 7th in a 2 run game.



Should have kept kahnle out there
RE: Ottavino  
section125 : 10/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
In comment 14630103 threeofakind33 said:
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Has been awful all playoffs. Have to move forward through the series as if he’s not a high leverage option.

Have to stretch Kahnle more.


He's been awful since September. Loaisiga is more trustworthy at this point. Otto has lost the plate.
Boone has done a miserable job with the pitching  
Essex : 10/15/2019 6:57 pm : link
this series. what is the point of having a manager if everything is predetermined. Ottavino has been awful this post season, why would you bring him in.

I get that Green/Springer analytically was a terrible matchup. But Green was rolling and it was the right move to judge the situation for what it was. Now, after Ottavino has pitched miserably this post season you go back to him. YOu might have a day off tomorrow, if you want to take Kahnle out how about Britton for one and Chappy for two. End of game and see if you can get the runs to win it.
Otto In  
Percy : 10/15/2019 6:58 pm : link
Still no hitting from the Yankees in their half. So what to do? Otto. Boone's not a quitter, but Otto has been waqy unreliable lately. Now men on first and third, no outs. Have to go back and see what's happened.
Springer limping since Game 2, still out yhere  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/15/2019 6:58 pm : link
meanwhile Stanton collecting cobwebs on the bench
Le Mahieu should never have thrown  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:00 pm : link
the ball. Just run him back to third and tag both. Altuve is out as bag belongs to Springer
RE: Boone totally botched this  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:00 pm : link
In comment 14630102 terz22 said:
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.


What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.
How is that great base running?  
nyjuggernaut2 : 10/15/2019 7:00 pm : link
Springer would’ve scored on the DP had he not broke so early
RE: Springer limping since Game 2, still out yhere  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:02 pm : link
In comment 14630112 nyjuggernaut2 said:
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meanwhile Stanton collecting cobwebs on the bench


Yeah. Because Springer’s been oh so effective this post season. What with his .091 batting average.

gary  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:02 pm : link
is a loser

lazy ass
RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
In comment 14630117 Hsilwek92 said:
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.



Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series
This team is screwing up  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
from all phases: offense leaving runners out there, bullpen throwing wild pitches, defense committed an error, no length from our starter.
Then Britton  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:03 pm : link
And everything falls apart. They've lost their poise.
Glad to see Sanchez's .170 career postseason BA  
Somnambulist : 10/15/2019 7:04 pm : link
Hasn't stopped him from being a sieve behind the plate. Consistency is so important.
Gary misses two  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:04 pm : link
in a row.. two overthrown pitches for certain.
RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.




Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series


How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.

You’re a fucking moron.
RE: gary  
bluesince56 : 10/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14630122 black aces said:
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is a loser

lazy ass


This guy is a lazy player. You must know the circumstances. Block that ball with your body. He is playing like he’s in a fog.
Severino is no ace  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
and Stanton is being paid a whole lot of money for doing shit. Sanchez and Judge both coming up dry in the postseason.

Cashman fucked up passing on Verlander, Cole and Corbin.
RE: Glad to see Sanchez's .170 career postseason BA  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:05 pm : link
In comment 14630128 Somnambulist said:
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Hasn't stopped him from being a sieve behind the plate. Consistency is so important.

Not fair. This is not last year. But he's sure been absent from batting class.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:07 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.




Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series



How surprising. Dumb fuck bullshit nonsense from the worlds biggest bitch ass Yankee ‘fan’.

You’re a fucking moron.



Way to answer the question numb nuts. Are you Boones nephew?

He takes guys out way too soon. Baseball has a feel to it and Boone has NO feel for the game
How the hell is Stanton not in good enough condition  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
to be a goddamn DH? That's just so weird to me.
RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.




Is there a law that green can only get two outs? You keep sucking his balls but he wildly mismanages the bullpen this series


Is it so hard for you to grasp the fact Green and Kahnle came in and both did their jobs. Next man up Otto is expected to do his and he didn't.

I'm not sure  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 7:08 pm : link
what you expect Sanchez to do with a 94 mph sinker that hits in front of home plate. We're not talking about a breaking ball that you would expect to be in the dirt. Getting your body in front of a spiked sinker ball is next to impossible for a guy his size.

He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.
RE: I'm not sure  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14630139 MookGiants said:
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what you expect Sanchez to do with a 94 mph sinker that hits in front of home plate. We're not talking about a breaking ball that you would expect to be in the dirt. Getting your body in front of a spiked sinker ball is next to impossible for a guy his size.

He's certainly been lazy in the past, but that inning is not one I would put on him whatsoever.



I agree. Sanchez isn't to blame.

Boone should have extended green and kahnle.

Whatever you say you fucking know nothing pair of clown shoes  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
Surprised you’re still watching the game considering you’re such a little whiny bitch who gives up so fast.
RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Essex : 10/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
In comment 14630117 Hsilwek92 said:
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.

When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.
BleedBlue  
Bill2 : 10/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
Im not understanding the source of your baseball expertise?

Were you a MLB player or front office person? An ex manager?

Just trying to figure out if I should pay attention to your posts
ball doesn't carry  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:09 pm : link
at all now
4 -0 isn't impossible  
micky : 10/15/2019 7:11 pm : link
Get somes runs. Chip away
this is crap  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:11 pm : link
game 2 was a missed opportunity
RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:11 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.


When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.


Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?

Yeah. Oh.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:12 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.


When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.



Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?

Yeah. Oh.



Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.

Not difficult
Ugh this game sucks  
terz22 : 10/15/2019 7:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 7:13 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.


When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.



Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?

Yeah. Oh.




Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.

Not difficult


You’re still here bitch?

So surprised.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:14 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.


When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.



Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?

Yeah. Oh.




Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.

Not difficult


They're pitching well until they're not pitching well anymore (or face the wrong batter). And by the time you realize it it's too late. 1 or 2 batters late and you're already fucked. That's the name of the game in managing baseball: knowing exactly when to do what. It's not as simple as just "but he got that guy out so let him try to get the next guy out!"
cessa  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
aka white flag
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Boone totally botched this  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:15 pm : link
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With the moves to the bullpen. Lucky to allow just one this inning. Bats better wake up soon.



What the fuck are you talking about? How did he botch anything? Both Green and Kahnle came in and were perfect. Ottavino came in and didn’t so his job.

Fucking christ, It’s like some of you are watching a completely different fucking game.


When has Ottavino done his job to actually inspire confidence. Just because that is how it was designed does not mean that is how it should be executed.



Ok. So the completely clean outings Green and Kahnle had were ‘mistakes’?

Yeah. Oh.




Can you not read? EXTEND them. Theya re pitching well. Stop reading your cock eyed analytics....green pitching well extend him.

Not difficult



You’re still here bitch?

So surprised.



Good thought out response.

Again...green should have gone back out there the next inning. Boone is too much by analytics. You need to have a feel for the game.


How are we still defending Gardner batting 3rd? Anyone?
Let's see BB's first guess here  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:16 pm : link
And not the typical second guess
Suggest A Little Calm Here  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:16 pm : link
We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.
RE: Suggest A Little Calm Here  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:18 pm : link
In comment 14630160 Percy said:
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.



Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely
RE: this is crap  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 7:19 pm : link
In comment 14630147 black aces said:
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game 2 was a missed opportunity


Yup...really needed to win one of Verlander or Cole’s first starts of the series.

It’s not over without doing so, just a lot harder. Maybe Yanks have some magic in their bats still tonight
RE: RE: this is crap  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:20 pm : link
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game 2 was a missed opportunity



Yup...really needed to win one of Verlander or Cole’s first starts of the series.

It’s not over without doing so, just a lot harder. Maybe Yanks have some magic in their bats still tonight



Be great. They had chances tonight
Meh first 5 innings we had our shot to get to Cole  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:21 pm : link
Couldn't get the big hit, then he settled down the last 2. Not throwing in the towel though. Get some runners on in the 8th and get a rally going off the pen. I've seen many a playoff game here take on a life of their own in the late innings once we get a rally going...
I don’t know about off nights .....  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
They both are aces and threw the pitches they needed to get out of jams.

Yanks scored 2 runs against those 2 .

But that’s the difference between the 2 teams. They got 2 aces and the Yanks dont!
Are we gonna make this a game  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
or let Joe fucking Smith bend us over again?
RE: RE: Suggest A Little Calm Here  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.




Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely

Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.
RE: I don’t know about off nights .....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
In comment 14630172 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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They both are aces and threw the pitches they needed to get out of jams.

Yanks scored 2 runs against those 2 .

But that’s the difference between the 2 teams. They got 2 aces and the Yanks dont!


Fair
RE: RE: RE: Suggest A Little Calm Here  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:22 pm : link
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.




Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely


Definitely should have won last night. But we showed then and are showing now those two Houston pitchers are mere mortals, not gods. They are beatable.


Agreed
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threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:24 pm : link
I was baffled by Cessa not coming in last night.

I think he has to move up in the pecking order ahead of Lasagna and Happ. Maybe I’d even go nuts and put him ahead of Ottavino.
RE: RE: Suggest A Little Calm Here  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:24 pm : link
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.




Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely


Off nights? Were you expecting no hitters from them and 15+K's? They gave up two runs between them.


2-1  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:25 pm : link
pitch was NOT a strike
RE: RE: RE: Suggest A Little Calm Here  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:26 pm : link
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We are in Game 3 of 7. We still have six more outs in this one.The world has not stopped spinning.




Totally agree but when you catch Verlander and Cole on off nights...you need to win. They will find their stuff next time we face em most likely



Off nights? Were you expecting no hitters from them and 15+K's? They gave up two runs between them.




It's not just about runs....we had MANY chances vs Cole that others don't get
he is  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:27 pm : link
safe
EE!  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:28 pm : link
Beats one out! Impossible, but I saw it happen. An inspiration one would hope.
wtf  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
bs
He never touches the helmet  
montanagiant : 10/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
WTF are these announcers seeing?
Wow  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
He was safe
The rare play  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 7:29 pm : link
where are a slide into 1st would have helped
RE: The rare play  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:30 pm : link
In comment 14630189 MookGiants said:
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where are a slide into 1st would have helped


yes, but was still safe
Smh  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:31 pm : link
Should been a 2 run HR
Of course replay turned a 2 run HR  
Somnambulist : 10/15/2019 7:31 pm : link
To a solo shot.
RE: he is  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14630183 black aces said:
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safe


Looked like his arm hit EE's helmet and not the glove. By the time his glove hit his back his foot was on the bag.

Now with Gleyber going yard that call is even bigger. Fuck's sake!
Fuckers stole a run from us  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 7:31 pm : link
Well, at least someone finally hit this slop throwing scrub
RE: He never touches the helmet  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:31 pm : link
In comment 14630187 montanagiant said:
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WTF are these announcers seeing?


I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
That was a highly questionable overturn. I never saw the glove touch the helmet.
Hey, a run!  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
Let's get five more.
RE: RE: He never touches the helmet  
montanagiant : 10/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14630195 Leg of Theismann said:
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WTF are these announcers seeing?



I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?

No I don't
RE: RE: he is  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
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safe



Looked like his arm hit EE's helmet and not the glove. By the time his glove hit his back his foot was on the bag.

Now with Gleyber going yard that call is even bigger. Fuck's sake!


I saw the glove touch the helmet (not the arm). You all are crazy no offense lol
RE: RE: He never touches the helmet  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:32 pm : link
In comment 14630195 Leg of Theismann said:
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WTF are these announcers seeing?




I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?



I think you saw his arm, not the glove.
I'm a homer  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:33 pm : link
But that is 100% unadulterated pure HORSESHIT. This is a 4-2 game right now.
How was that review conclusive?  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 7:33 pm : link
Am I just biased? Didn’t look it was the glove that got the helmet
one pitch  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
i mean...
Lmao  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
Didi is garb
WTF with EE on First?  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
Missed it. Have to keep up trotting back and forth to the TV. Better get it on steam.
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
Didi has got to stop swinging at the first pitch. Jesus Christ.
Oh for fuck's sake Didi.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
.
It was absolutely NOT...  
Tesla : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
conclusive that he hit him with his glove instead of his arm. No way. Such a bullshit call on review.
RE: RE: RE: He never touches the helmet  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:34 pm : link
In comment 14630200 threeofakind33 said:
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WTF are these announcers seeing?




I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?




I think you saw his arm, not the glove.


exactly
Has Didi seen 5 pitches tonight?  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 7:35 pm : link
Good grief
someone  
black aces : 10/15/2019 7:35 pm : link
tell gary the playoffs started
He never got the helmet at all  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:36 pm : link
The angle from the infield shows that clearly.
His glove NEVER touches the helmet  
montanagiant : 10/15/2019 7:36 pm : link
His forearm did but that doesn't count
This team has like reg season allstars  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 7:36 pm : link
And Zero post season players
So We Need A Really Big Ninth  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:37 pm : link
Has happened from time time. Why not now?
You guys who think he got the helmet are going on the angle  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:37 pm : link
From the 1b dugout.
.  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:37 pm : link
What is Buck on about, it was hit right at Correia and he booted it. “What a good okay?” Fuck off.
This game as me is over  
superspynyg : 10/15/2019 7:38 pm : link
Actually I think our post season is over. We may win next game but we can’t beat Verlander and Cole.
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Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:38 pm : link
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WTF are these announcers seeing?




I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?




I think you saw his arm, not the glove.


That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.
RE: .  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:38 pm : link
In comment 14630221 threeofakind33 said:
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What is Buck on about, it was hit right at Correia and he booted it. “What a good okay?” Fuck off.


“What a good play.”
The fact that we'll argue this all night tells you it should never ove  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:39 pm : link
The ump had the right angle and made the right call
As I've said 10000 times  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:39 pm : link

Sanchez, Didi, gardner are all lost at the plate. eE is too even tho he had a hit tonight.


Boone bats 2 of those guys 3-4.

Morrow is a must win
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montanagiant : 10/15/2019 7:40 pm : link
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I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?




I think you saw his arm, not the glove.



That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.

You're correct, has to be the glove with the ball in it
RE: Lmao  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:41 pm : link
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Didi is garb


What took you so long? I expected this post before the ball was even caught.
note to Boone  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
Do not pitch Ottovino again and Cessa has earned more time.

And the Yankees are going to murder the Astros in Game 4, if any game will be a blowout, that's the one.

But they need to beat Cole or Verlander once, they had their chance to steal that Game 2.
RE: RE: RE: RE: He never touches the helmet  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:42 pm : link
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WTF are these announcers seeing?




I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?




I think you saw his arm, not the glove.



That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.


To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.

A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.
I have a GIF of it  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:43 pm : link
but I have no idea how to post it. Do I have to upload to a website or something?
RE: note to Boone  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:44 pm : link
In comment 14630232 Matt in SGS said:
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Do not pitch Ottavino again and Cessa has earned more time.

And the Yankees are going to murder the Astros in Game 4, if any game will be a blowout, that's the one.

But they need to beat Cole or Verlander once, they had their chance to steal that Game 2.


They had many opportunities today and Sunday night to score. 7 LOB in the first 4 innings today.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: He never touches the helmet  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:46 pm : link
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I absolutely saw the mitt touch the helmet. You didn't see that?




I think you saw his arm, not the glove.



That's what I saw too. Looked clear to me it was his arm that hit EE's helmet not the glove. Now if his arm is considered part of the tag then I understand the call but I always thought you had to make contact with the glove or ball on a tag play.



To tag a player out, the hand with the ball must contact the player.

A force play, any part of the player holding the ball can touch the bag.


Yeah that's what I've always thought but figured maybe it wasn't the case since I only saw the arm contact EE before he stepped on first. Thought maybe all these years I was mistaken and they consider the arm part of the glove. Lol.
RE: I have a GIF of it  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 7:46 pm : link
In comment 14630236 Leg of Theismann said:
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but I have no idea how to post it. Do I have to upload to a website or something?


The down the line angle appears to show what you think is his glove hitting the helmet is actually Gurriel’s arm.

It looks like his glove on the one angle, on the other it looks like it’s his arm.

In other words, call should have stood as it was called on the field.

Nice two innings by Cessa.
Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 7:47 pm : link
is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?

On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.
Cessa  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:48 pm : link
, Who I really don't like, did pretty well in there. Better than some to whom we pay a lot more and give a lot more respect.

Now it is time for the hitters to show up.
Gif  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:49 pm : link
Strike one, huh?  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
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Umpire  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
giving Osuna a foot off the plate for strike 1, lovely
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Eman11 : 10/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
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but I have no idea how to post it. Do I have to upload to a website or something?



The down the line angle appears to show what you think is his glove hitting the helmet is actually Gurriel’s arm.

It looks like his glove on the one angle, on the other it looks like it’s his arm.

In other words, call should have stood as it was called on the field.

Nice two innings by Cessa.


Yep and where are those zoom in freeze frame close ups we would get during the regular season?
RE: Gif  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:50 pm : link
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didn't work.

The down the line view isn't where you see it, it's the view from EE's right side where the bottom of the glove appears to pretty clearly bend when it makes contact.
RE: Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14630243 Jim in Hoboken said:
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is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?

On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.




And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!
RE: Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
In comment 14630243 Jim in Hoboken said:
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is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?

On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.


Sadly, I don’t think the way we operate is gonna change. We’re going to add to the bullpen again, minor moves for the offense, and maybe a cheap starter or trade for a guy who has good stuff and control, but hasn’t blossomed
Ahhhh  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
Game 4 is a must win
Buck and Smoltz  
MookGiants : 10/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
dont even say a word
RE: RE: Not going to cry about not having German and Betances, but the offense  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:51 pm : link
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is ice cold. Gleyber and on occasion Judge can't be the only offense. We now have enough of a sample on most of the roster who perform well in the playoffs. Cash needs to go away from all-or-nothing guess hitters, they tend to come up small in the playoffs against good pitching. How many failed playoff runs do we need to see that?

On another note, if Stanton's salary is cited as a reason on why Cole isn't an option this offseason, Cashman has to answer for that as well.





And batting Gardy 3rd and Torres 5th is the dumbest thing I’ve seen!!



Don't say that guys here suck off Boone and think it was right move.

Gardner is NRVER a 3 hitter. It's a joke
Maybe here  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 7:52 pm : link
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Glove makes contact with helmet - ( New Window )
They Did Not Show Up  
Percy : 10/15/2019 7:53 pm : link
Maybe tomorrow.
All the cockroaches have shown up tonight, I see  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 7:53 pm : link
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RE: Ahhhh  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 7:53 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win


That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.
I saw the gif on Jomboy  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:55 pm : link
Jomboy is convinced its conclusive but All I see is the helmet and glove going down but it's either EE ducking or the forearm hitting him. No way I'm convinced its conclusive. Meh its moot we did nothing else. Let's get'em manana
RE: RE: Ahhhh  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 7:55 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win



That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.


Your mouth gods ears
RE: RE: Ahhhh  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 7:56 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win



That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.


With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5
Hopefully  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 7:56 pm : link
This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.
RE: All the cockroaches have shown up tonight, I see  
Stu11 : 10/15/2019 7:56 pm : link
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Tonight it was a massive infestation Greg. You had guys writing season post mortems in the 4th inning.
RE: All the cockroaches have shown up tonight, I see  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
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Why even bother. Best to avoid game threads when all the DBs show up. Why get ajita reading moronic nonsense from all the trolls looking to get under your skin.
Good to see we're still these geeks' bitches.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
Humiliating game on every front. Need an ace next year. And no, Sevy is not an ace.
It feels so hopeless for  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
NY sports.
Eh, this was always going to be the likely scenario  
jcn56 : 10/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
the Yankees having a hard time hitting both Verlander and Cole.

The only bit of it that adds insult to injury was that they managed to outlast Verlander and get stymied by their BP, and that Cole looked a bit off today and they couldn't take advantage.

Otherwise, if someone had told you they'd be down 2-1 going into game 4 at YS, I don't think you'd be overly upset or surprised.
Hopefully the rain cleanses us.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 7:57 pm : link
I know it's great pitching but the bats needs to wake up. If Stanton doesn't feel better tomorrow - see ya in spring training.
Yanks need to beat Verlander or Cole  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/15/2019 7:58 pm : link
Once !! And beat the crap out of the other 3 starters!!
RE: RE: RE: Ahhhh  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 7:58 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win



That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.



With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5


I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.
RE: Hopefully  
Greg from LI : 10/15/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14630278 bigbluehoya said:
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.


It has to be. He has flubbed every chance he's gotten in the playoffs, both in the Twins series and this one. Great season but he just isn't getting it done.

Still can't believe Betances tore his Achilles just doing a little jump o the mound.
RE: Hopefully  
section125 : 10/15/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14630278 bigbluehoya said:
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.


He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
RE: Maybe here  
threeofakind33 : 10/15/2019 8:00 pm : link
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... Glove makes contact with helmet - ( New Window )


I definitely see the helmet move. Something hits his head. I’m not compelled, with certainty, by your GIF that it was his glove. I do think it’s possible.

Either way, it certainly wasn’t the reason the Yankees lost today. Lineup may need a shakeup. Bullpen pecking order needs an evaluation now as well. We are building a sample size on some of these guys. Have to learn from it. Some players are clearly not up to the moment, others are (Hicks, Torres, Judge, DJ, Britton, Chapman, Kahnle, Cessa).
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Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 8:01 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win



That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.



With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5



I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.


I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row
....  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 8:02 pm : link
That's why we needed to take game two or 3. We beat grienke. Lose to Verlander then play Cole in Houston in elimination game. Dude will K 10+
No matter how lousy they have hit over the last 2 games  
Dave in PA : 10/15/2019 8:03 pm : link
Down 1 - 2 in the series with must win games 4 and 5 is exactly where most people should have reasonably expected this team to be. Just win tomorrow and find a way, any way, to beat one of their aces.
RE: It feels so hopeless for  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14630282 giants_10_88 said:
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NY sports.


Only down 2-1 and Yanks have the better team and equal number of home games left, and if Yanks make it out of the ALCS they're going to stomp the Nationals easily and win the World Series. I'd say "hopeless" isn't the right word for the Yankees in comparison to the other NY major sports teams.
Going Back Over It  
Percy : 10/15/2019 8:04 pm : link
A manager that did things by judgment and not numbers would have taken Sevy out after the first at the latest. Sevy clearly was not himself -- or what they say is himself. But then what? Our vaunted pen? Exhausted after last night? Not so hot. What could the numbers tell Boone about that in playoff baseball? Might have paralyzed even the sainted Casey, for those of you who remember him. Boone did his best. It was not good enough. Be better tomorrow!
RE: It feels so hopeless for  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/15/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14630282 giants_10_88 said:
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NY sports.


Try living in the ATL area last week lol
-Braves get smoked
-Dawgs loss to unranked team
-Falcons lose on missed extra points

Everyone here has been on meds lol
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Ahhhh  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 8:05 pm : link
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That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.



With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5



I think they will. Game 4 if it's their bullpen or Grienke, won't matter. That's a game that I see the Yankees unloading early, the fans are into it and shit snowballs. Houston throws the back of their pen to soak up innings and they get all kinds of fucked up. But they will save their bullets for Verlander and Cole. Hinch is no dummy. He knows he will need to steal a game without those guys. Yanks jump on them early, he will waive the white flag quick.



I forgot about the extra day. So with a rainout, Houston could greinke Thursday and verlander Friday. Shit. While I know we can take Greinke, having to see that big three six games in a row


Yes, but I'd rather Verlander in Yankee Stadium to be honest. Like I said, I don't think it matters in Game 4. Game 4 is gravy for the Astros. I think the Yankees roll them early, Hinch will pack up the tent and be sure they are fully loaded for Verlander. It's the type of game where you tap someone on the shoulder, offer them a beer and a handshake and apologize for what their ERA will look like because they will need to soak up 3 or so innings to save the pen and take an assbeating. Whoever is the 11th or 12th man in their pen is going to have to eat a shitburger.
RE: RE: Hopefully  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 8:05 pm : link
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.


He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.


He walked tons of guys all year. FIP and xFIP both 1.5-2 runs higher than ERA. His % of runners left on base was almost 10 percentage points higher than the year prior. I’m not saying he isn’t good, but there was a whole bunch of smoke and mirrors on the 1-handle ERA.
Couple of things  
Marty866b : 10/15/2019 8:07 pm : link
Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.
RE: RE: RE: Ahhhh  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 8:10 pm : link
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Game 4 is a must win



That game has the Yankees jumping out to a 5 or 6 run lead early. I'd be shocked if it's not something like a 10-3 final.



With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5


Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?
RE: Couple of things  
BleedBlue : 10/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
In comment 14630309 Marty866b said:
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.



We agree on just about all accounts.
When you think about it  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
Getting fucking ZERO from EE, Gary, Didi....down just 2-1 is actually fortunate. Those guys need to unfuck themselves immediately.

In the case of EE and Didi, they’re potentially making some ‘tough’ offseason decisions a hell of a lot easier.

But there’s still plenty of baseball left.
Can’t leave 9 runners on base against a pitcher on Cole’s level  
dpinzow : 10/15/2019 8:11 pm : link
Without scoring and expect to win. Lots of chances missed
RE: I have a GIF of it  
montanagiant : 10/15/2019 8:14 pm : link
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but I have no idea how to post it. Do I have to upload to a website or something?

It has to be online and you copy the page link then put it on here using [Img]before the link and [/img] after it
Yeah, Sanchez is one of the more frustrating Yankees  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 8:14 pm : link
I've ever watched. Great arm behind the plate, 30+ HR bat, but you watch him day in and day out and...ehh. We desperately need a hot streak from him, not just "good at-bats/he's close."
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Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 8:14 pm : link
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With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5



Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?


If the game is rescheduled to Friday, he would get normal rest, he pitched Sunday
Verlander pitched Sunday.  
bceagle05 : 10/15/2019 8:16 pm : link
Game Five would be Friday (if tomorrow is a rain-out), and Verlander would be on full rest. It's just a matter of when Hinch wants to throw a fourth starter - now that's he's up 2-1, he can do whatever he wants.
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Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 8:18 pm : link
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With a probable rain out, I wonder if Houston goes Verlander in game 5



Wouldn't that only be 3 days rest even with rain-out? Verlander got hammered on 3 days rest in the ALDS, am I mis-remembering that ?



If the game is rescheduled to Friday, he would get normal rest, he pitched Sunday


Verlander will pitch Friday if there is a rainout. But the Yankees know they have to beat Cole or Verlander once. Do it in Yankee Stadium. Grienke won't get through 3 innings.
RE: Yeah, Sanchez is one of the more frustrating Yankees  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 8:20 pm : link
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I've ever watched. Great arm behind the plate, 30+ HR bat, but you watch him day in and day out and...ehh. We desperately need a hot streak from him, not just "good at-bats/he's close."


He's been absolutely abysmal this postseason. Disgusting.
Last 2 games were a gut shot  
mfsd : 10/15/2019 8:21 pm : link
Game 2 the bullpen needed to be perfect, and they fell just short. Game 3 Cole left the door open the first 5 innings, but nobody had a big hit in them.

Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.

Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.
Hopefully can play a little bit better next game  
micky : 10/15/2019 8:31 pm : link
Tip of cap to houston though.
RE: Last 2 games were a gut shot  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 8:36 pm : link
In comment 14630331 mfsd said:
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Game 2 the bullpen needed to be perfect, and they fell just short. Game 3 Cole left the door open the first 5 innings, but nobody had a big hit in them.

Simple math...we have to win at least one of the 4 games started by Verlander and Cole, plus all 3 others (1 down, 2 to go). Not easy, but it can still be done.

Rainout tomorrow may be good for our guys mentally. Or not. No more excuses, bats need to wake back up.


Yup, that was always the case. This has gone pretty much as I thought it would. I thought the Yankees would jump on them in game 1, maybe steal Game 2 if they were lucky (but I thought they'd lose) and I hated facing Cole here in Game 3 and expected a loss. Now, I expected a bullpen game in Game 4, and the Yankees would kick the ever loving shit out of Houston in that game, as the Astros only hope would be to win a slugfest in Yankee Stadium. That wouldn't happen. But regardless, I have no faith in Grienke in Yankee Stadium either, he will fold like he did in Tampa.

Assume a rainout tomorrow. You get Grienke vs. Tanaka and I stand by my thought the Yankees murder them in Game 4. So much so that they could again pull Tanaka early to save him for a Game 7 appearance. And you have to beat Verlander or Cole. That was always the task. Take your shot at Verlander in Game 5 and beat him at Yankee Stadium and go back to Houston up 3-2.

In that case, Hinch has to pitch Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest and then he runs out of horses in Game 7 because he couldn't use Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander for an inning). In Game 7, the Yankees would start Severino and then go to Tanaka for an inning or so and turn it over to the pen.

As strange as it sounds, Houston has to win this in 5 or 6 games, because if things hold, they will be in trouble in a Game 7 because they won't have the advantage anymore with the Yankees pen in play vs. their bullpen.
Meanwhile, Nats up big already  
MarvelousMike : 10/15/2019 8:40 pm : link
7-0 at top of 2nd. Nats may well be very well rested when your series gets over.
regardless  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 8:46 pm : link
when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.

The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.
Agree with going after  
giants_10_88 : 10/15/2019 8:55 pm : link
Cole. There is clearly a Yankee Tax with how little the Astros gave up for Cole. Send a big fuck you to the league and spend like crazy.
RE: regardless  
Eman11 : 10/15/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14630352 Matt in SGS said:
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.

The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.


He's probably going to get 5-6 years @37.5-40 mil per. Not only because he's so good but I'm sure they'll be a bidding war for him. Houston, LAA, Yanks and probably 1-2 more teams.
RE: regardless  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 9:00 pm : link
In comment 14630352 Matt in SGS said:
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.

The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.


We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years
RE: RE: regardless  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14630362 Nine-Tails said:
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.

The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.



We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years


Amazing, isn't it? Cashman expected to win with fucking JA Happ and the bloated corpse of CC Sabathia..

I mean..

Wow.
RE: RE: regardless  
Matt in SGS : 10/15/2019 9:09 pm : link
In comment 14630362 Nine-Tails said:
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when this season is over, the Yankees have to back up the truck for Cole. They need that dominant ace, and it would also take him away from Houston. It would be time for Hal to flex his money muscles that the Astros can't match, but we can worry about that after the World Series.

The Yankees championship window is right now and the Astros are really their only competition to win titles and go to the World Series, the Red Sox are going to go into a hole for a year or so as they fix themselves.



We have to spend, no excuses. Corbin is another on we lost, instead we have Happ and CC’s corpse. But, I still don’t think we get him with how the has operated in recent years


Yes, but this would be a situation where I think the Yankees will decide to open the wallet. You go into next year with Cole, Severino, Tanaka, and Paxton, with their pen and lineup depth, not to mention taking Cole away from Houston, they would rival the 1998 Yankee team for overall dominance. You land Cole in NY, the Yankees would set up another dynasty. It makes too much sense. But again, we can worry about that in the offseason.
RE: Couple of things  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/15/2019 9:16 pm : link
In comment 14630309 Marty866b said:
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.


No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."

As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.

Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
RE: RE: Hopefully  
Matt M. : 10/15/2019 9:48 pm : link
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This is it for the Ottavino fetish. He’s a good pitcher, but insisting on using him against their very best hitters in the important spots night in and out is sub-optimal. He’s not that dominant.



He was dominant during the year until September. I really think he has gotten arm tired and lost command of the zone. Too many walks.
Right before the end of the season I heard one reporter on the radio say that Ottavino's performance had the same decline last year at about the same # of innings. So, this should be no surprise. They maxed out on his effectiveness.
RE: RE: Couple of things  
Matt M. : 10/15/2019 9:56 pm : link
In comment 14630371 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.



No offense, but the idea that Sanchez can't hit good pitching is idiotic nonsense. I get that people are frustrated, but no need to make up stuff. He drove in 5 of the 14 runs the Yankees scored in the ALDS last postseason. I have to assume some of that was off of a good pitcher. They can start Romine in the next game, but let's not act like he's Johnny Bench against good pitching. Sanchez and EE missed most of September. Sanchez got 6 PAs in the last series and EE had zero rehab PAs. THAT is why they're struggling, not some nonsense about "hitting good pitching."

As for the game, it basically mirrored game 2. Gerrit Cole, for all of the ball-washing, wasn't his A version or even his B+ version. He had trouble with a strike zone giving nothing off the plate until late in the game and hung enough breaking pitches for the Yankees to do damage. Gardner looked at them before swinging at balls. Judge looked at them and then swung at balls. EE's ABs were awful. The lineup definitely needs some changes. Torres and Hicks need to be higher. I have no problem with Romine starting.

Severino made 2 bad pitches and the Stros hit them. You really couldn't have asked for more out of him. Otto has to be out of the mix of relievers now. Britton didn't exactly pick up his teammate there. Then again, he probably shouldn't have to there. He should've started the inning or came in as soon as Otto walked the lead-off man.
It's not like either Sanchez or Encarnacion was great all year. Sanchez hit .232 with an OBA of .316 and Encarnacion hit .249 with an OBA of .325 while with the Yankees. I have had trouble understanding the fascination with him as a must have bat in the lineup every game for the post season. Voit, for example, hit 24 points higher with an OBA of .263. Hicks is another guy I don't get the fascination over. His power has been a surprise, but he is not a great hitter or OBA guy.
RE: RE: Couple of things  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 9:58 pm : link
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Boone pulled this lineup out of his ass. Torres not batting third is a huge mistake and I won't even get into how Gardner is batting third while slumping and EE who has been worse, still in the cleanup spot. I don't know about you guys here, but I've seen enough of Sanchez and Ottovino. Sanchez just cannot hit good pitching, plain and simple. He hit in the .170's last season and after hitting fairly well in the first half this year he still ended up hitting .232. He again is hitting in the .170's in the playoffs and if anyone here has any confidence that he is going to do something at the plate, you are delusional. It is time for Romine.At least he MAY hit the ball in a key spot.




We agree on just about all accounts.


Of course you do. You’re a fucking moron.

Romine? Lmfao.
And Didi is very likely playing his way out of NY  
Matt M. : 10/15/2019 10:00 pm : link
They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.
If Torres is hitting 3rd  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 10:04 pm : link
I wonder how that first inning goes if he gets the chance to come up first and second with nobody out. That’s the frustrating part for me. They got too cute with the lineup. Stack the best performing hitters at the top and hope for the best.

It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.
RE: And Didi is very likely playing his way out of NY  
Hsilwek92 : 10/15/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14630409 Matt M. said:
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They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.


He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
And they’re not playing Romine  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 10:06 pm : link
Boone already shot that down and rightfully so
RE: If Torres is hitting 3rd  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/15/2019 10:08 pm : link
In comment 14630411 Kyle in NY said:
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It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.


Those people are the usual suspects.
Their lineup is better than ours. Brantley, Altuve, Bregman, Gourriel  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 10:13 pm : link
are tough outs while Springer, Alvarez, and Correa can run into one any time. We have DJ, Torres, and half a Judge (when he connects) while the rest are all either ice cold or all-or-nothing hitters.

You can’t ask more out of our pitching against that lineup. Our hitters need to step up. It’s the same story every year. The addition of DJ and maturation of Torres and to an extent Judge help, but Cash need to do more. Didi is not his normal clutch self, and suddenly can’t seem to catch up to good FB’s, while Sanchez/EE/Gardner are guessing and missing. It will be too late if that quartet doesn’t wake up soon.
RE: RE: If Torres is hitting 3rd  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 10:14 pm : link
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It’s a 2-1 series. It isn’t over. Some already making offseason plans are ridiculous.



Those people are the usual suspects.


Indeed. We lost 3-2 and 4-1 to fall behind 2-1 to an elite team in the ALCS but a few act like we’re the Baltimore Orioles. Win the next game and they’ll all jump back on board.

To be clear though, not referring to those like Matt saying do whatever it takes to get Gerritt Cole. That dude is an absolute ace and I would do whatever it takes to get him. Hopefully by some chance getting a good look at him today helps us the second time around in this series. They almost got to him. That damn Didi fly ball...
Probably already covered  
jestersdead : 10/15/2019 10:15 pm : link
And I’m too lazy to scroll through the 8 pages of posts. But why didn’t Ottavino pitch out to Altuve? Same situation happened in game 2, man on first steals 2nd on the first pitch. You knew it was going to happen, slide step and throw a pitch out, if he doesn’t attempt the steal no worries
For you Sanchez guys  
Marty866b : 10/15/2019 10:23 pm : link
And I am going to do this without the idiotic insults some of you here seem to have to use when you disagree. Sanchez has a career batting average of .182 in the playoffs and has struck out one of every three at bats. Considering the batting average is about what he hit ALL of last season and the last half of this year,I just do not think this guy is a good hitter. I do know that Romine is nothing special but I'll tell you, in a key spot, I have more confidence that Romine will give us a better at bat then Sanchez. So far, Gary has two singles in 17 at bats in the playoffs and has struck out 9 times. Boone will stick with Sanchez, like he has stuck with EE batting 4th, but I question if that is the correct move? Time will tell.
What's the odds they play tomorrow?  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/15/2019 10:26 pm : link
Just looking @ forecast for the NYC Metro area & it looks like an afternoon washout. If tomorrow is postponed, do they play potentially 4 straight days-Thursday, Friday, Saturday, & Sunday?
RE: What's the odds they play tomorrow?  
bigbluehoya : 10/15/2019 10:31 pm : link
In comment 14630426 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Just looking @ forecast for the NYC Metro area & it looks like an afternoon washout. If tomorrow is postponed, do they play potentially 4 straight days-Thursday, Friday, Saturday, & Sunday?


Yes, that’s what they would do.

IMO, a postponement seems likely. These games are too important to have pitchers knocked out of games by weather delays. The games are also lasting long enough as-is.
I think I’d prefer a rainout  
Kyle in NY : 10/15/2019 10:43 pm : link
to be able to bring Tanaka back for game 4. And if that moves Verlander to a Yankee Stadium start in game 5 I don’t necessarily mind that either.

I just don’t think we’re well positioned for a bullpen game right now with the way Ottavino is struggling. I don’t know how you comfortably bridge the gap from Green in the first two innings to Britton in the 7th.
Ooof,  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/15/2019 11:35 pm : link
everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.
RE: RE: And Didi is very likely playing his way out of NY  
Matt M. : 10/16/2019 12:29 am : link
In comment 14630413 Hsilwek92 said:
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They have a big decision to make with him. I love him, but wouldn't re-sign him because he will command too much for what I think may already be the backend of his career.



He may well be. Who knows what his future is with the team. But, let’s not forget that, sans game 1, this entire offense has been fucking dog shit. It’s not like he’s been the main culprit.
It's not about him being the culprit (he isn't). This was a comment on the fact that he is a FA, will be looking for a ton of money, will be 30 next season, and whose play this season and to a much larger degree this post season just doesn't warrant a huge payday.
The Yanks  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 1:50 am : link
need a true monster ace.. Boston had Sale, Houston has Cole/Verlander.. Yanks aren't likely to win it all without a monster like that. It makes a playoff series so much easier..
If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
Ira : 10/16/2019 3:32 am : link
games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.
RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
shyster : 10/16/2019 4:50 am : link
In comment 14630473 Ira said:
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games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.


That was the plan if the games went per the original schedule.

If today's game is rained out, no one except the Astros knows for sure what they will do.

Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.

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The call to bench Gary is hilarious  
Tuckrule : 10/16/2019 5:18 am : link
Yes he’s been bad but Romine I mean cmon guys. This is like the backup QB in the nfl. Always better than the underperforming starter. You ride with Gary til the end. That’s what a good manager does. The guy has the ability to change a game with his pop. Yes he’s been piss poor but you can’t take that bat out of the lineup. The potential is there. I’d rather have potential then a guy who goes 1-4 with a single and that’s basically the best you’ll get out of him. It was Gary’s fault when Britton had back to back 58 foot pitches.
RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
M.S. : 10/16/2019 6:54 am : link
In comment 14630473 Ira said:
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games 6 and 7 respectively on full rest. To me, this means that the Yankees need to take both games 4 and 5. The may beat one of Houston's aces, but I don't see much chance of them beating both of them.

Exactly. Yanks must take next two games, or else (2020 Spring Training up next).
FWIW, it appears that the  
section125 : 10/16/2019 6:58 am : link
vaunted Astros starters have just barely out pitched the Yankees staff. Let's face it, while Severino gave up 2 HRs, the Yankees had numerous chances to get runs on the board in the 1st five innings. The same happened Sunday night against Verlander. If anything the fear of Verlander and Cole should be diminished.

Instead, the vaunted Yankees savages have been pitiful the past two games except for LeMahieu and Torres. Yes, Cole and Verlander are outstanding, but one or two hits in anyone of about 6 innings in the last two games and the story is completely different.

Also, cannot quite understand moving Gardy back to the 3 hole when Torres should be there. Gardy is a #8 or #9 hitter and that is where he belongs. I suppose Torres at 5 was to protect Eddie and Gardy at #3 was to break up the righties in the lineup. I thought that analytics kind of disproved the R-L thing. I also believe Gardy should have bunted in the 1st inning. I was fine with letting Gardy hit, too. With the shift there was no one to cover 3rd base. Getting a bunt down against Cole is no sure thing either, and I get that new wisdom shows there is a better chance for a big inning by swinging away. But sure would have been nice to see 2nd and 3rd and one out.

However, all is not lost. I do think they will eat whomever the next Astros pitcher is. I also think that having had Verlander and Cole on the ropes numerous times in both games bodes well in the next games.

And while Britton threw two balls in the dirt and the Yanks got lucky the with the 1st one (one was stopped by the umpire), Gary should have been ready at least for the 2nd one. Britton seemingly throws some WP in each outing - I think he overthrows a few times each outing - normally with no one on base. My other minor gripe with Gary is handling Sevy. Sevy pitches extremely well when he pitches quickly. In that 1st inning after Altuve slaughtered that cement mixer, Sevy was pitching at a snail's pace. For whatever reason, Sevy has trouble in the 1st inning in playoff games. Not sure if he is overthinking the game plan. But whatever it is, he is a power pitcher, if the slider isn't working don't keep throwing it and end up walking people. Come out blow people away and get off the mound. There was no reason to throw 36 pitches to 5 or 6 batters when only one run scored. Yes he got out of it, but used 3 innings worth of pitches.

And while I understand Boone is trying to save his pen a bit, he is using to many people for short periods. He needs to start managing for the win that day and worry about tomorrow, tomorrow.

Pray for rain and get Tanaka or Paxton going Thursday.

The end.
It's amazing that reading..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 8:19 am : link
this thread one gets the impression that Cashman was too cheap to build a contender and Boone can't put together a lineup.

The likely Manager of the Year sucks ass!!

And with a straight face, you have a fuckhead calling for Romine!
RE: Ooof,  
Kyle in NY : 10/16/2019 9:41 am : link
In comment 14630444 Dave in Hoboken said:
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everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.


You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.
RE: It's amazing that reading..  
Essex : 10/16/2019 9:46 am : link
In comment 14630524 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this thread one gets the impression that Cashman was too cheap to build a contender and Boone can't put together a lineup.

The likely Manager of the Year sucks ass!!

And with a straight face, you have a fuckhead calling for Romine!

just because he is manager of the year (if he will be) doesn't mean he has managed well this series. In fact, what I can't take about these threads are that because a manager can justify his move, that means it was the right move. Again, I go back to the Green/Springer matchup that, of course, can be justified by the analytics, but it was the manager who has to make that calculus at that time. It is a bad matchup, but Green is dealing. Ottavino has been shaky really since September, do I want to face that kind of hitter with an unknown Ottavino, in the sense you don't know if he has his good stuff or not, or do I want to face him with a dealing Green. Simply because Boone was justified doesn't mean he was right. In addition, I don't know the analytics on putting Gardner third and maybe that was acceptable in the Twins series, but he has already shown in this series that he is not a person who should be batting third. Again, maybe their is some analytical stat to justify it, but a manager needs to see beyond stats and make the right call. Boone has not. And, for the people saying, oh well he gave the ball to Ottavino and Ottavino did not get the job done, that is true, but Ottavino has showed nothing in this post-season that would lead anyone to believe he could get the job done. So, just because he managed great for 162 games does not mean he is immune from criticism for what happened in the last two games.

Once when the Yankees lineup was struggling, Billy Martin picked his batting order out of hat to change things up. I am not saying I am advocating for that in any way, but what I am saying is that it is ok for managers to manage based on a feel for what is going on. In that area, Boone has not been good in this series.
FMiC  
Kyle in NY : 10/16/2019 9:48 am : link
we're not too cheap, but the lineup was overthought. It's really just one decision, Torres hitting 5th. And it's entirely possible it doesn't make a difference in the game. But it was a mistake and it didn't give us the best possible chance to put up runs.
The..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 9:54 am : link
"right move" is almost always determined on here by if the right result was generated. In one series, the microscope on moves is even stronger and the reactions to losses more ridiculous as the sample size is really small

The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.

Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.

Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.

And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.

Consistency among morons is rarely achieved.
You're not wrong  
Kyle in NY : 10/16/2019 10:02 am : link
in saying that it's pretty much always outcome-oriented around here with the reactions. But I don't think this is a second guess or simply a reaction to how the game played out.

Torres has been our best hitter this postseason and had been hitting 3rd the last two games. Moving him out of that spot to split up right handed hitters was overthinking things. I'm not really sure I understand the need to appeal to authority here. Boone can be an excellent manager, but also have made a mistake.

Again it's possible that it doesn't make a difference in the game. But the effects of it were felt right away in the first inning.
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BleedBlue : 10/16/2019 10:03 am : link
Gardner shouldn't be batting third.defending Boone on this is silly. the dude just isn't a 3 hitter. Torres should be there. Gardner Sanchez EE and Didi have had horrible ABs this series.

Does a rain out def give us Cole game 7?

If so that will be tough in Houston

I think next two are must wins before we get back to Houston and then we can steal one there. Damn game 2 is looming large as a missed opp
Gleyber's spot in the batting order  
bceagle05 : 10/16/2019 10:08 am : link
has been irritating all season. David Cone constantly brings it up throughout the year. Fifth? Sixth? Ninth? What reason could there possibly be to bury your best hitter down in the lineup? DJ/Judge/Torres in the first inning should be written in stone at this point.
RE: The..  
Essex : 10/16/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14630629 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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"right move" is almost always determined on here by if the right result was generated. In one series, the microscope on moves is even stronger and the reactions to losses more ridiculous as the sample size is really small

The Yanks had numerous chances to drive in runners against Verlander, Cole and the Astros pen and they failed. Boone's lineup was good enough to get runners in position to score, but then they were stranded. I really don't know how that speaks to who should be where in the lineup and if his decisions are sound or not.

Ottovino gave up a HR to a batter he had been dominant against in a small sample size and Green would have been going on his 3rd inning or work. Flip the situation with Green giving up a HR and the same people blasting Boone for pulling Green would be blasting him for leaving him in.

Thus, the folly of calling moves "right" or not.

And you want knee-jerk reactions? You have posters who said it was ridiculous to put Stanton in the lineup who bitched and moaned that he was hurt and out of the lineup.

Consistency among morons is rarely achieved.

where I would agree is that the right result does not mean it was the right move. However, what I don't agree is that the manager's move was the right move at the time. I would agree it was defensible, but not sure that it was the correct decision regardless of result. The result just makes it worse. It is the same when Girardi hooked Robertson in the 09 ALCS against the Angels, it was defensible, but Robertson was dealing and it did not show a good feel for the game. As to Gardener third, again, I don't know the analytics behind it but I will assume that they are there, but who you put in your three hole matters. I just don't get that move, especially they way Gardner has been playing. And, last night, it had a real practical effect in that they were able to avoid Gleyber in the first inning by giving him the open base.
RE: RE: Ooof,  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/16/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14630618 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 14630444 Dave in Hoboken said:


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everytime a person says we're still in it in recent years, they wind up being wrong.



You are as flaky as it gets, going whichever way the wind blows. Not surprised to see you jumping ship already. Hey maybe you'll be right, but I know for a fact if we come back in this series you'll be right back here acting like this capitulation of yours never happened.


Flaky, huh? Or, I just respond to what's going on in the series. Yes, I (like everyone) was happy when we were up 1-0. And now, I, like pretty much everyone, isn't as confident now that we're down 2-1.

Crazy stuff. I know.
RE: Gleyber's spot in the batting order  
BleedBlue : 10/16/2019 10:26 am : link
In comment 14630656 bceagle05 said:
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has been irritating all season. David Cone constantly brings it up throughout the year. Fifth? Sixth? Ninth? What reason could there possibly be to bury your best hitter down in the lineup? DJ/Judge/Torres in the first inning should be written in stone at this point.



Yea it's ridiculous. There is no defense of Boone here. Fuck analytics. Torres should be batting third. That first inning could have been different and getting runs off Cole early would have changed entire game. Stadium would have been jumping and he would have felt a little more pressure. Feel for the game is something I think Boone struggles with.
Sure..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 10:27 am : link
no defense of Boone.

He's clearly the reason we lost.....

Jesus.
I never understood this so i'll ask  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 10:30 am : link
how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.

The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.

These discussions usually end up in the following:

"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or

"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".

Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.

I get this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 10:33 am : link
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The result just makes it worse. It is the same when Girardi hooked Robertson in the 09 ALCS against the Angels, it was defensible, but Robertson was dealing and it did not show a good feel for the game


But in an Era where the HR ball is prevalent, you can see one happen at any time. Green giving up a gopher ball vs. Ottavino isn't that much of a stretch.

Look at the number of times a starter is cruising through a lineup. They go into an inning and the leadoff batter hits a dinger. Happens to Tanaka a lot. If that happens to Green, people are screaming that he shouldn't be pitching his 3rd inning. Boone went on statistics and it didn't work. If he went on "feel" that could just have easily backfired. Heck, putting gardy in the 3 hole might have been done on "feel".

You guys just can't have it both ways. We had chances to score the past two games and didn't. That's on the players to execute.
Anyway  
Kyle in NY : 10/16/2019 10:34 am : link
No change in the weather forecast. Just looking at the hourly, it's tough to see how they play tonight. Hopefully an extra day gives Stanton enough time to get in the lineup. Curious if the Astros stick with the bullpen if it's postponed or if Grienke goes game 4
RE: Sure..  
BleedBlue : 10/16/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14630689 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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no defense of Boone.

He's clearly the reason we lost.....

Jesus.



Did I say he was reason we lost? Please let me hear your defense of Boone when it comes to Torres not batting 3rd.
I’m still numb over game 2 loss  
5BowlsSoon : 10/16/2019 10:37 am : link
I expected it in game 3.....
Why..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 10:37 am : link
does Boone need defending?
RE: I never understood this so i'll ask  
BleedBlue : 10/16/2019 10:38 am : link
In comment 14630692 UConn4523 said:
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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.

The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.

These discussions usually end up in the following:

"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or

"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".

Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.



Any decision they has Gardner batting 3rd over Torres I question. Whether it's analytics being shit or Boone not having a feel, either way it's bad. I would argue it's Boone relying too much on analytics and not enough on common baseball knowledge and feel.

Torres should be batting 3rd
RE: Anyway  
ajr2456 : 10/16/2019 10:39 am : link
In comment 14630702 Kyle in NY said:
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No change in the weather forecast. Just looking at the hourly, it's tough to see how they play tonight. Hopefully an extra day gives Stanton enough time to get in the lineup. Curious if the Astros stick with the bullpen if it's postponed or if Grienke goes game 4


Hopefully they cancel it early and not make fans show up first
RE: I never understood this so i'll ask  
Essex : 10/16/2019 10:40 am : link
In comment 14630692 UConn4523 said:
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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.

The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.

These discussions usually end up in the following:

"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or

"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".

Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.

I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.
Instead of talking about Boone  
Carson53 : 10/16/2019 10:48 am : link
talk about situational hitting, that's where they are failing miserably.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.
The only thing I’ll knock Boone for the last two games  
ajr2456 : 10/16/2019 10:53 am : link
Is that as much as I hate it, he probably should have had Gardner bunt in the first yesterday.

Two in scoring position with one out, down one could have been a game changer
Essex  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 10:55 am : link
that's actually not what I'm saying. I said "Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy managing (updated my spelling error) is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me."

When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?
Against an elite..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 10:55 am : link
pitcher, batters will often get the "best" pitch to hit on the first pitch. So while you want to work the count, certain batters should be looking for a pitch early and swinging at it, especially a guy like Edwin who doesn't work counts very well anyway.

That isn't situational hitting because the longer a count goes, the more guessing the batter has to do, especially in an unfavorable count.

Didi got his pitch to hit and missed it by a couple of feet. You want him to take that swing.
RE: Instead of talking about Boone  
BigBlue2112 : 10/16/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14630728 Carson53 said:
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talk about situational hitting, that's where they are failing miserably.
Guys going up there hacking at the first pitch w/RISP, generally doesn't get it done.
For example, Didi swung at the first pitch in three at bats, all outs.
Edwin swings at the first pitch, hits weak grounder to short, with men on base in the 2nd inning.
The next game is a must win now. If they have to play four days in a row, that's not in their favor moving forward.
I don't know how they use Ottavino in high leverage situations at this point. The postseason is not the time to get somebody straightened out.


with regards to the at bats- man it's frustrating to watch when Didi is swinging first pitch and sees a total of 3 pitches in his first 3 ABs. But the metrics do say that your absolute best chance of hitting Cole is on the first pitch. Batting average drops significantly the deeper you get in counts. That was obviously the game plan. Did it work?? eh...With that being said, if Cole walks someone on 4 straight pitches before you, you should be taking first pitch.
RE: Essex  
Essex : 10/16/2019 10:59 am : link
In comment 14630735 UConn4523 said:
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that's actually not what I'm saying. I said "Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy managing (updated my spelling error) is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me."

When did I ever say having a feel for the game wasn't important?


You did not say it, but it is inherent in what you said. Because in order for me to criticize how Boone adapts to the game I have to make judgments about how the game is being played. Now, of course, I would never say my feel for the game is better than Boone or any big league manager for that matter but I am not sure how I evaluate it if I don't have some idea of what I am watching and have an opinion on it. Doesn't mean I am right and it doesn't mean Boone was wrong, but if I am going to criticize his analytical approach to the game flow, I am not sure how I do it without substituting my view of the game. I am not trying to be difficult, but according to your viewpoint a manager's approach to game flow would be hard for any lay person to critique. Maybe that is right in the scheme of things (like who really cares what we think), but for a message board conversation I am not sure I know of another way.
Haha, I love it. Unless we can pin 100% on one and only one person,  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/16/2019 10:59 am : link
then nobody should be criticized. Haven’t we gone through this with Eli?

Series is far from over, but nobody would be surprised if it’s a replay of 2017. Their players are just executing better, in all phases. Sure, on paper, our players put up as good if not better stats on their baseball cards. But their team is just doing better. Is it analytics putting them in better position or coaching giving them better instructions I don’t know. Is it oh that’s how baseball goes the better team doesn’t always win or the other team got all the lucky bounces in a game of inches? All I know is we haven’t won since 2009 with one of the top payrolls consistently. Not everything is peachy.
Haven't won..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 11:04 am : link
is a bit of a misnomer. We are playing in yet another ALCS. We won over 100 games.

Being one of the top 4 teams in baseball may not be "peachy", but I have no idea what the fuck that means in this context.
i don't think its inherent  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 11:06 am : link
I simply don't try to pretend to know what goes into every move, in any sport, unless its something so glaringly egregious that its obvious (Carroll in the Superbowl passing, for example). Maybe that makes for bad conversation, but I have a hard time calling something a bad decision without much to go on.
RE: RE: I never understood this so i'll ask  
Stu11 : 10/16/2019 11:07 am : link
In comment 14630717 Essex said:
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In comment 14630692 UConn4523 said:


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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.

The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.

These discussions usually end up in the following:

"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or

"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".

Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.



I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.

I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.
I'll take exciting Yankees October baseball  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 11:08 am : link
yearly over a once in a decade WS win, personally. Titles are the ultimate goal but for my entertainment I'll take a constant playoff presence. Same with the Giants, just get back to winning seasons and playing meaningful games in December.
"flow of the game"  
Bill2 : 10/16/2019 11:12 am : link
Sounds like thinking.

But a close game "flows" on every single pitch. Each a separate discrete point.

Want proof?

Two different pitches from Yankee pitchers and its 3-0 Yankees.

When you have as many men on base as the Yankees have had....two swings also changed the "flow" of the games.

Boone thought that DJ and Judge could get good pitches on their own. Putting Torres further down more likely than not would generate 1-4 better pitches ahead of Torres since Astro thinking would have been to get those guys off the bases when Torres was up.

Instead of taking their walks...our hitters tried to hit.

imho, the hitters have forgotten to be all out savages every single pitch. Every single pitch.

Close games are about execution. but that's data not emotion. Emotional after the fact guys torture the data into confessing someone to blame...usually substitutes for their own managers in life
RE: RE: RE: I never understood this so i'll ask  
Essex : 10/16/2019 11:16 am : link
In comment 14630750 Stu11 said:
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In comment 14630717 Essex said:


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In comment 14630692 UConn4523 said:


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how does a fan get to judge a manager about not having a good feel for a game? Disagree with the move, but stating that you disagree because your "feel" is right and the guy manager is wrong is absolutely bonkers to me.

The analytics era has really made for some lousy arguments, IMO. Analytics are treated like this evil data set that removes all emotion from the game. From my point of view, Boone uses analytics to framework a game/series and then will make in game decisions using them as a guideline. Just as much "feel" goes into implementing that data as it does ignoring it, IMO.

These discussions usually end up in the following:

"Boone took out X because the analytics said so and the result backfired because he didn't have a feel for the game." or

"Boone rode the hot hand, ignoring the analytics, he was really in tune with what was going on today".

Just weird. I think Boone is as dialed in as any manager in the sport. I don't think any other manager can best him in daily preparation, knowing his players limits, using data, all while juggling a plethora of injuries, the NY media and everything else that comes with the job. There's going to be moves that look dumb because they didn't work, such is life in his position. It doesn't mean he doesn't have feel for the game, that's an absolutely ridiculous claim, IMO.



I actually think a feel for the game is the most important quality in any coach at any level. To be able to adjust your gameplan to how the game flow is going is probably the biggest difference between what a successful coach does and what an unsuccessful coach does. They all have the analytics available to them, it is when they determine to deviate from the me that makes the great coaches great. Maybe the move is not to deviate from them for a particular game and pick your spot in another game to deviate from them. But to say a manager's analytical approach to what he is seeing in front of him is irrelevant is absolutely "bonkers to me."
I will give you a case in point in football, look at the Giants Eagles game from last November in Philly. Tell me who had a better feel for the game, Shurmur or Pederson. Pederson completely adapted to what we were doing and Shurmur was lost in the second half. Managers/coaches adjust and part of that adjustment is recognizing what is going on in front of them.


I always think this is comical when fans talk about "a feel for the game". You have absolutely no information. Forget about the #'s and analytics for a second are you traveling with the players? in the clubhouse with them? Do you know how they are feeling that day? The past week? Listen I agree I would have hit Gleyber 3rd, but the players have to come through with men on base. They are professionals, they have all produced this season. Gardy may have had the best season of his career. I agree with FMIC "feel" for P's lasts as long as the next pitch. Green for as well as he's pitched, has given up his fair share of hard contact, including one of the 2 guys he faced yesterday. I've criticized moves here and there with Booney but there is no argument the guy has had a spectacular season and really grown into the job this year from all appearances. He covers his players, didn't allow excuses through 30 injuries, and handled the pen masterfully to get them to this point with none of the RP's looking tired and done. Sure Otto hasn't pitched well lately, but thats been for a month now its not his velo, more his control. I mean one clown wants to pull the lineup out of a hat like Billy Martin did??? After 2 games? did the lineup have a rough night Saturday scoring 7 runs? Billy did that in a shit meaningless game in July in the 70's.


Actually, no, I specifically said I am not advocating for pulling the batting order out of a hat. I just used it as an example that sometimes managers have a feel for what their teams needed any Billy probably one of baseball's best mind.
imo  
Bill2 : 10/16/2019 11:29 am : link
over a season each coin has a tendency to positive or negative outcomes. Put them together right ( flow) and you influence probability

In a tight game all flips( pitches) have much closer to a 50/50 outcome. So "probability or flow" gets to be much much less and 50/50 outcomes a larger percentage of the eventual result.

The Yankee history is loaded with guys who came up dry in playoff series and guys who hit out their ass and guys who just got that one hit ( Luis Soto). Why is that different now?

There was only one Yankee who demonstrably played better in playoffs and Ws over a sufficient sample size. He just got into the Hall of Fame.

I sure never thought Torre had a feel for the game and especially a feel for pitchers
....  
BleedBlue : 10/16/2019 11:50 am : link
Still waiting for someone to say why Gardner 3rd is smart over torres
We all..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 12:01 pm : link
wait for something.

I'm waiting for you to shut the fuck up about it or from being insufferable in the Game Thread.

We can't always get what we want.

Courtesy of the Rolling Stones.
RE: ....  
Nick in LA : 10/16/2019 12:02 pm : link
In comment 14630798 BleedBlue said:
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Still waiting for someone to say why Gardner 3rd is smart over torres


Jesus Christ get over it. I don't think anyone believes that was the proper move but can you shut the hell up about it already? Fuck.
Good Afternoon (East Coast)  
Percy : 10/16/2019 12:53 pm : link
Not a happy thread today. Game is washed out. Pitcher impact can be significant. Tanaka tomorrow night? Bullpen situation? Will Sevy get another shot at it? Stanton? Gardner batting third? Lots to worry about and pick at until tomorrow.
RE: RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
Mad Mike : 10/16/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14630474 shyster said:
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Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.

Yes, he announced Greinke and Verlander for 4 and 5.
lonk - ( New Window )
Win tomorrow  
bceagle05 : 10/16/2019 1:11 pm : link
and a little pressure swings back to Houston. The bats better wake up.
RE: RE: RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
section125 : 10/16/2019 1:22 pm : link
In comment 14630910 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 14630474 shyster said:


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Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.


Yes, he announced Greinke and Verlander for 4 and 5. lonk - ( New Window )


Still confident they beat Verlander.
RE: RE: RE: If I understand the schedule, Verlander and Cole will be ready for  
Matt in SGS : 10/16/2019 1:38 pm : link
In comment 14630910 Mad Mike said:
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In comment 14630474 shyster said:


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Hinch said Monday that he looks at every game as a game 7. With that mentality, if the schedule gets pushed back, I'd expect Verlander for Game 5.


Yes, he announced Greinke and Verlander for 4 and 5. lonk - ( New Window )


I said last night, a rainout actually could help the Yankees because it will force a few things

- You know you are getting Verlander again. I'd rather get him at Yankee Stadium

- I stand by what I wrote last night, I think the Yankees slaughter them in Game 4, Grienke or their bullpen game won't matter. Hinch knows that's a gravy game in the set up as he realistically wants to take 2 of 3 in Yankee Stadium. If things get out of hand quick (and I expect it will), he's going to toss out his 11th man in the pen to get his stool pushed in and save his other arms for Game 5. That game has 10-3 or worse written all over it.

- The Yankees must go back to Houston up 3-2. They do that and that forces Hinch's hand to start Cole in Game 6 on 3 days rest. The Yankees can throw a bullpen game in Game 6 and save Severino and possibly Tananka and their pen for Game 7. Hinch is out of bullets at that point since he won't have Verlander or Cole (maybe Verlander comes in for an inning or so). Hinch can't hope to throw a bullpen game at the Yankees because he might never get to Cole. Get the Astros forcing elimination going back to Houston just like they did in 2017, but this time the Yankees will have the advantage.

I do worry about the Yankees pen dying, but this is how they were built. We need Ottovino to figure it out quick. And if Stanton isn't ready to play for Game 4, I think the Yankees should pull the plug on him for the rest of the season and bring up someone who can help (Voit, Ford, etc).
RE: The call to bench Gary is hilarious  
Carson53 : 10/16/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14630477 Tuckrule said:
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Yes he’s been bad but Romine I mean cmon guys. This is like the backup QB in the nfl. Always better than the underperforming starter. You ride with Gary til the end. That’s what a good manager does. The guy has the ability to change a game with his pop. Yes he’s been piss poor but you can’t take that bat out of the lineup. The potential is there. I’d rather have potential then a guy who goes 1-4 with a single and that’s basically the best you’ll get out of him. It was Gary’s fault when Britton had back to back 58 foot pitches.
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Are you sure about that? These are his postseason numbers:The 26-year-old Sanchez, who is now batting .174 (16-for-92) in 24 career playoff games...but lets wait for that one glorious swing. And I think Romine blocks that pitch last night as well. When Gary is struggling at the plate, he does tend to take out on the field as well.
One game sitting wouldn't hurt at this point.
You guys I dont think just about any C could have blocked that wild  
Stu11 : 10/16/2019 2:03 pm : link
Pich let alone Romine it's not like he's Bill Dickey. That pitch hit in front of the plate and bounced up in the air 3-4 feet immediately. It's not like it slid under his glove or anything.
RE: You guys I dont think just about any C could have blocked that wild  
Carson53 : 10/16/2019 2:20 pm : link
In comment 14630993 Stu11 said:
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Pich let alone Romine it's not like he's Bill Dickey. That pitch hit in front of the plate and bounced up in the air 3-4 feet immediately. It's not like it slid under his glove or anything.
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He's not Bill Dickey, he would have moved his body and used
he chest protector. That's why they give you 'the tools of ignorance' back there. Sanchez didn't move his body,
hit his shoulder.
No that ball bounced about 4 straight feet in the air  
Stu11 : 10/16/2019 2:43 pm : link
Virtually nobody is blocking that pitch. Criticizing Gary for his D is a lazy last year arguement with little basis in his performance this year.
RE: No that ball bounced about 4 straight feet in the air  
Carson53 : 10/16/2019 2:50 pm : link
In comment 14631048 Stu11 said:
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Virtually nobody is blocking that pitch. Criticizing Gary for his D is a lazy last year arguement with little basis in his performance this year.
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I disagree, only criticizing him for last night's effort
at blocking the pitch. You are talking about last year,
that's not coming from me. He has been better in general.
It's not lazy in any way, plenty of catchers would have blocked that pitch btw.
He didn't move his body, that's what you have to do first.
That pitch..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 4:00 pm : link
last night was not a simple stop. It wasn't like it skipped under a glove.

Have some perspective there. That's not only on the pitcher, it would have taken an extraordinary effort to block the pitch.

But Romine is the man to do it??
RE: That pitch..  
section125 : 10/16/2019 4:06 pm : link
In comment 14631148 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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last night was not a simple stop. It wasn't like it skipped under a glove.

Have some perspective there. That's not only on the pitcher, it would have taken an extraordinary effort to block the pitch.

But Romine is the man to do it??


Not sure any catcher stops either one, they both jumped straight up. Kind of annoyed me he missed the second one on the heels of the 1st one, but the technique is to drop and bend into it. Not likely that technique would have worked. Britton does that every now and then. Shows how much spin he puts on the ball. It did not even hit the plate and it popped up.
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