I believe we had talked about the Bob Lazar JRE episode a month or so ago when it dropped. Joe Rogan had Commander David Fravor on his show last week, who had a highly decorated aviation career in the military and was one of the air crewmen who witnessed first-hand the “tic-tac” encounter that took place in 2004 off the California coastline and has been documented in the media frequently as of late. Really interesting stuff, especially when coupled with the Lazar episode. Anyone else catch this?
What has taken me awhile to wrap my ahead around is that they believe the UFOs can fly in and underwater as easy as above...
What has taken me awhile to wrap my ahead around is that they believe the UFOs can fly in and underwater as easy as above...
Jeremy gets very annoying each time he’s on, BUT you can’t discount the fact that he’s putting in a lot of work to get this stuff out in the open. He said he has more witnesses that will be coming forward soon to corroborate more of what Lazar has talked about.
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I think there’s still a stigma attached to the UFO phenomenon. While stories like this definitely help to legitimize the topic, I still hear from plenty of people that believe we are truly alone in the universe. I believe once more testimonies emerge, we’ll see more of a shift in the paradigm, and it has started shifting in a mainstream direction, but it takes time.
Sagan and Tyson laugh it off because there isn't any proof; they each have asked the question about life on other planets. Sagan was instrumental in the formation of SETI.
The odds on being visited by another species are probably really small due to the vast distances and technological know-how that would be required. And again, no proof exists.
Sagan said it himself with two quotes:
"The absence of evidence is not the evidence of absence."
"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence."
Those are examples of something that haven't been explained...that's not the same thing as proof. Saying these unexplained phenomena are proof of aliens is akin to the Aztecs thinking a solar eclipse meant the gods were pissed.
These videos are compelling, but they aren't proof of anything.
I am curious what your explanation would be?
The amount of stuff we don't know about the Earth alone may still exceed the amount of stuff we DO know about it.
I'm someone that believes life exists somewhere else in this universe, but a revelation that enormously significant requires enormous proof in order for it to be accepted as the established truth.
Zeke's Alibi, thanks for your service. Agree about eyes. What we have here is on video and the most advanced radar on the planet. Multiple craft dropping from 80,000 feet to 20,000 feet in less than a second. Hovering there for hours. All recorded.
If ET has the technology for interstellar travel they certainly have the technology to avoid detection from an APG-73 or SPY-1.
If ET has the technology for interstellar travel they certainly have the technology to avoid detection from an APG-73 or SPY-1.
Even the best tech has opportunity to fail. Actually in the documentary done by the Blink 182 guy when they are talking with Italian officials who have documented UFO sightings they theorize they can't do it during certain moments that are specific to propulsion or something I can't remember.
I think it's conceivable that instead of extraterrestrial visitors, it's ancient visitations (queue ancient alien meme) being discovered and reverse-engineered by government agencies.
The second half of that statement is an assumption. Just because navy pilot isn't aware of the US having such craft, doesn't mean the US is not making these craft. My default feeling on all these credible sightings is some secret government defense agency. I am open to the idea of a extraterrestrial observational drones or something of the like, and it is startling to hear of government higher ups claiming ignorance, but I will wait and see.
To me a gravitational propulsion arms race between nations is a more terrifying proposition than humans being so outmatched by these potential ET craft.
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These are actual craft and we arent capable of making them.
The second half of that statement is an assumption. Just because navy pilot isn't aware of the US having such craft, doesn't mean the US is not making these craft. My default feeling on all these credible sightings is some secret government defense agency. I am open to the idea of a extraterrestrial observational drones or something of the like, and it is startling to hear of government higher ups claiming ignorance, but I will wait and see.
To me a gravitational propulsion arms race between nations is a more terrifying proposition than humans being so outmatched by these potential ET craft.
So either the US or China or Russia is able to create and operate craft that dont have flight surfaces, no visible means of propulsion, no heat signatures and can go instantly from not moving to 2,000?
Why would the U.S. literally spend $100 M per F-35 if we had that capability? Doesn't make sense.
I keep asking - what would you do with the truth? They don't really have an answer to that.
I'm pretty sure some of the people on this thread are similar to them.
I keep asking - what would you do with the truth? They don't really have an answer to that.
I'm pretty sure some of the people on this thread are similar to them.
It is quite possible with the truth out there that things that seem like such a big deal would pale in comparison to the realization we aren't alone in this world and our tribalism is meaningless. Just a thought, probably last for five minutes before we start killing each other again.
What a great way to start a multi-billion dollar global defense system!!
Maga hats manning the front line next to Bernie voters, cowboy fans alongside Giants fans, battling for each other.
If aliens were here, smart, and truly beneficial, they'd set this up so we could dig ourselves out of the hole we've dug ourselves.
Not political, don't ruin the thread, I'm just rooting for our Star Trek future where we're all earthlings.
I'll be interested to see what other video we get over the next few years.
The vanguard in weaponry and tech has been laser and satellite based systems for some time.
Light and laser projection can create the illusion of really sophisticated events, and creating the the impression you have more sophisticated systems than you have is quite a benefit.
The vanguard in weaponry and tech has been laser and satellite based systems for some time.
Light and laser projection can create the illusion of really sophisticated events, and creating the the impression you have more sophisticated systems than you have is quite a benefit.
Tracked on the most advanced radar systems in the world by the USS Princeton.
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These are actual craft and we arent capable of making them.
The second half of that statement is an assumption. Just because navy pilot isn't aware of the US having such craft, doesn't mean the US is not making these craft. My default feeling on all these credible sightings is some secret government defense agency. I am open to the idea of a extraterrestrial observational drones or something of the like, and it is startling to hear of government higher ups claiming ignorance, but I will wait and see.
To me a gravitational propulsion arms race between nations is a more terrifying proposition than humans being so outmatched by these potential ET craft.
So either the US or China or Russia is able to create and operate craft that dont have flight surfaces, no visible means of propulsion, no heat signatures and can go instantly from not moving to 2,000?
Why would the U.S. literally spend $100 M per F-35 if we had that capability? Doesn't make sense.
Look at the history of aircraft developed in secret through DARPA. The B2 "Stealth Bomber" was conceived in the 70s, didn't hit the public eye until 15 years later, and wasn't used in combat until 1999. We didn't stop purchasing bombers in the meantime. Looking it up, we spent an estimated 23 billion on its development in secret. And that's just a plane that avoids radar detection.
Of course this represents a quantum leap in tech, but assuming it is a secret government project you have no idea how "ready" it is to move people or strap ordinance to it. It could just be a really awesome drone at this point.
...that defies the laws of physics and aerodynamics as we understand them.
I also logically don't get why if aliens visited they'd do a weird thing where they reveal themselves partially but never directly contact us. (And, yes, ants cannot understand the intentions of humans, but I'd still like some sort of explanation that works for my human brain.)
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Of course this represents a quantum leap in tech, but assuming it is a secret government project you have no idea how "ready" it is to move people or strap ordinance to it. It could just be a really awesome drone at this point.
...that defies the laws of physics and aerodynamics as we understand them.
100 years ago F=MA was a bedrock principle. It ain't anymore lol (although it works in most normal everyday situations).
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