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Jalen Ramsey traded to the Rams

Big Rick in FL : 10/15/2019 7:44 pm
Two 1st rounders
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I sure hope the Rams win a Super Bowl  
George from PA : 10/15/2019 8:29 pm : link
As they wont sniff one in a few years
Dante Fowler may shake free next year  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 8:32 pm : link
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RE: Dante Fowler may shake free next year  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2019 8:34 pm : link
In comment 14630337 Zeke's Alibi said:
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Dante and Talib. They have to accommodate Jalen's new deal. Whitworth will be a FA and will likely retire. Not sure who they have in the pipeline to protect Goff's blindside.
RE: Rams haven't had a 1st round pick since 2016  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 8:35 pm : link
In comment 14630329 jlukes said:
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And won't have one until 2022

Wow


You are right. That is unbelievable.
This is why you have to have the discipline to not overpay your own  
Go Terps : 10/15/2019 8:36 pm : link
The Goff contract is destroying their judgment. Not only would they have been better off trading him; they would have been better off letting him walk and getting a comp pick.

We've got to remember this when we're saying ridiculous things about Jones being the QB for the next 10-15 years. There are lessons to be learned here.
Goff contract is going to kill them, Darnold and Ramsey are worth  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 8:38 pm : link
their contracts. He's an average QB and you can afford to overpay him a bit if you have cheap talent, how you going to do that with no first rounders. Goff isn't good enough to overcome a poor offensive line and that is what he will be playing behind unless they find some gems late.
Talib is old, but Dante will be interesting, spotrac has his value  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 8:39 pm : link
at 10 million which seems like it would be a prudent signing.
with the nfl becoming the nba.  
madgiantscow009 : 10/15/2019 8:41 pm : link
the rams will be a landing spot for petulant superstars like the other LA team.
RE: Talib is old, but Dante will be interesting, spotrac has his value  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2019 8:44 pm : link
In comment 14630344 Zeke's Alibi said:
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at 10 million which seems like it would be a prudent signing.


Especially, considering that Yannick will likely stay in Jax. My pipe-dream that he would shake free was built on the premise that Jax would have to pay Ramsey.
Rams  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 8:44 pm : link
Have a lot of top talent. But their future doesnít look great. Lost their first round picks, donít have many young studs on cheap deals, and Gurley and Goff look like poor long term investments. Also, Ramsey is gonna get paid
It really depends on what we do with Golden, but he's probably looking  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 8:46 pm : link
for the highest bidder, he hasn't made all that much in his career.
The Rams probably have this year, next and maybe the year  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 8:47 pm : link
after to win a superbowl and then rebuild.
Cowboys next.....  
5BowlsSoon : 10/15/2019 8:47 pm : link
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RE: It really depends on what we do with Golden, but he's probably looking  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 8:48 pm : link
In comment 14630351 Zeke's Alibi said:
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for the highest bidder, he hasn't made all that much in his career.


If he continues his play, I hope we can lock him up. I donít think of him as the guy to lead a pass rusher, but he could be the perfect running mate for an elite pass rusher
RE: The Rams probably have this year, next and maybe the year  
bw in dc : 10/15/2019 8:58 pm : link
In comment 14630353 Zeke's Alibi said:
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after to win a superbowl and then rebuild.


As I said above, they need to unload Donald.
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madgiantscow009 : 10/15/2019 9:03 pm : link
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Rams panicking?



Peters for Jalen...definitely an upgrade. Gotta hope a payday and living in LA vs Jax is a plus for Ramsey which hopefully limits the drama.



Most the reason Ramsey was a pain in the ass was playing in a nowheresville market, he wants to be like his idol deion.


makes sense in a matter of fact way, but usually the personality of a drama queen doesn't just disappear, unless it was just a calculated act.
RE: It really depends on what we do with Golden, but he's probably looking  
Diver_Down : 10/15/2019 9:04 pm : link
In comment 14630351 Zeke's Alibi said:
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for the highest bidder, he hasn't made all that much in his career.


As he should. He might feel comfortable in Bettcher's system, but he is 28 and likely looking at his last opportunity to secure a payday. He signed a $3.75M prove-it deal. So far, he has proven that he is fully recovered from his knee which was a huge question leading him to languish and settle for his current deal.
RE: RE: holy crap.  
Leg of Theismann : 10/15/2019 9:06 pm : link
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Rams panicking?



Peters for Jalen...definitely an upgrade. Gotta hope a payday and living in LA vs Jax is a plus for Ramsey which hopefully limits the drama.


Payday in Jax is a lot greater than a payday in LA considering the Tax and cost of living differences (the way I see it). I don't understand the claims of "marketability" in NY or LA allowing players to make *substantially* more money when this day and age literally all marketing is digital media and has nothing to do with location.

I could be wrong, but it just seems to me like cost-of-living in LA + paying much higher taxes has much more direct affect on bank account and outweighs the "marketability" aspect of LA. I mean, it's not like Jalen Ramsey is going to be starring in some blockbuster action movie just because he's in LA.

I'm open to hearing other points of view and people proving me wrong but this is just the way I see it in 2019.
No 1st round pick for 5 years  
Mr. Nickels : 10/15/2019 9:13 pm : link
Assuming they don't trade back in, the Jalen Ramsey deal means the Rams will go five years (2017-21) without a first-round pick.

2017: to Tennessee for Jared Goff
2018: to New England for Brandin Cooks
2019: to Atlanta in trade down
2020-21: to Jacksonville for Jalen Ramsey
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NINEster : 10/15/2019 9:16 pm : link
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Rams panicking?



Peters for Jalen...definitely an upgrade. Gotta hope a payday and living in LA vs Jax is a plus for Ramsey which hopefully limits the drama.



Payday in Jax is a lot greater than a payday in LA considering the Tax and cost of living differences (the way I see it). I don't understand the claims of "marketability" in NY or LA allowing players to make *substantially* more money when this day and age literally all marketing is digital media and has nothing to do with location.

I could be wrong, but it just seems to me like cost-of-living in LA + paying much higher taxes has much more direct affect on bank account and outweighs the "marketability" aspect of LA. I mean, it's not like Jalen Ramsey is going to be starring in some blockbuster action movie just because he's in LA.

I'm open to hearing other points of view and people proving me wrong but this is just the way I see it in 2019.


I agree, you move to LA/NY for the lifestyle not for some gain. Jacksonville on $150k a year would be like living in Manhattan at $300k a year.

Now there were rumblings that Wilson wanted to be a Giant because Ciara wanted to be in NY. That would make sense all things considered, but for players themselves, no.
Jalen wants to be famous, he has made that clear. He feels like he is  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 9:20 pm : link
languishing in Jax and lots of his shit talking to the media are just to garner attention. Deion Sanders is his hero, he went to FSU because of him and wants to be the next primetime.
Unlike Odell he wants to accomplish that through the field though  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/15/2019 9:21 pm : link
and not through instagram.
RE: This is why you have to have the discipline to not overpay your own  
WillVAB : 10/15/2019 9:26 pm : link
In comment 14630341 Go Terps said:
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The Goff contract is destroying their judgment. Not only would they have been better off trading him; they would have been better off letting him walk and getting a comp pick.

We've got to remember this when we're saying ridiculous things about Jones being the QB for the next 10-15 years. There are lessons to be learned here.


The Rams have made a ton of dumb short-sighted decisions. Trading for Cooks and paying him was dumb. Gurley contract. Goff contract. They also went out and overpaid for a bunch of vets.

They lost a starting guard in FA as a cap casualty. Their OL is getting old and bad really quick with nothing in the pipe. They donít have any youth to rush the passer to take some attention of Donald.

This is a similar story to what played out with the Giants under Reese except they have nothing to show for it.

Thereís nothing ground breaking with the Rams brass or McVay. It wonít be long before they get their asses kicked every week just like every other team that trots weak trench players every week.
Not that much of an upgrade over Peters,  
NYFootballGiants : 10/15/2019 9:27 pm : link
and giving up all that draft capital? I would have just stuck with Peters. Maybe they figure he's more of a headcase than Ramsey. I guess they know these guys better than the fans. Just like our team with Odell. Being around a guy with an attitude every day really wears on a team, no matter the talent level or impact that player has. Just glad neither Ramsey nor Peters went to any of our rivals. Two of the best in the league. Big moves for sure.
That is a lot of picks ....  
short lease : 10/15/2019 9:27 pm : link
but, if the Rams continue to finish in the playoffs - those picks amount to high 2nd rounders (still very good though).
More than we got for Beckham  
MM_in_NYC : 10/15/2019 9:29 pm : link
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RE: Not that much of an upgrade over Peters,  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 10:10 pm : link
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and giving up all that draft capital? I would have just stuck with Peters. Maybe they figure he's more of a headcase than Ramsey. I guess they know these guys better than the fans. Just like our team with Odell. Being around a guy with an attitude every day really wears on a team, no matter the talent level or impact that player has. Just glad neither Ramsey nor Peters went to any of our rivals. Two of the best in the league. Big moves for sure.


Lol what? Huge upgrade over Peters. Peters has really fallen off big time
Rams need better WR and Edge players  
JonC : 10/15/2019 11:01 pm : link
and their OL isn't playing like it had in prior seasons.

I'll give them this, they're fun as hell to watch wheel and deal. But, they need upgrades to those positions to win it all.
RE: Rams need better WR and Edge players  
Nine-Tails : 10/15/2019 11:20 pm : link
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and their OL isn't playing like it had in prior seasons.

I'll give them this, they're fun as hell to watch wheel and deal. But, they need upgrades to those positions to win it all.


I think they're absolutely fine at wr. Kupp, woods, and cooks is very good trio
Rams are toast  
AcesUp : 10/15/2019 11:30 pm : link
Way too top heavy a roster built around a shaky OL and QB dependent on other players. They'll follow the same trajectory this franchise did in the early part of this decade.
I do respect the all in play though  
AcesUp : 10/15/2019 11:31 pm : link
But I think they'll be gutting that thing in a year or two without any hardware to show for it.
RE: More than we got for Beckham  
OdellBeckhamJr : 10/16/2019 12:53 am : link
In comment 14630388 MM_in_NYC said:
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Yet to be seen. I think the Rams will finish better than the 17th overall pick we got from CLE. Peppers was a first rounder and one of their best players on defense last season, and he's playing really good football for us right now. I think Gettleman and FO saw him as a first round worthy asset.

(and of course the 3rd round pick is > than the 4th JAX received)
Rams are classic  
huygens20 : 10/16/2019 12:54 am : link
Example of what happens when the league catches up to you

They went berserk on the league with their 311 formation and didnít come back with enough wrinkles or depth

Belichick showed that Goff canít read defenses

Goffs offensive line are complete trash. Trash oline + canít read defense = death
blah blah blah  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 1:48 am : link
here is what I know..

He'll make their defense a lot better.
RE: RE: Giants play the Rams next year  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/16/2019 1:53 am : link
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Here or there, means nothing with the Rams.

Maybe the new stadium might yield a 7% bump in Ram fan attendance.

A 7% bump in Rams fan attendance? I say this completely sincerely - I'd love to see what you're basing that projection on. I've been trying to accurately calculate primary/secondary demographic attendance forecasts for much of my career. I've never been able to confidently land them on an exact percentage delta.

Thanks in advance.
RE: RE: RE: holy crap.  
Gatorade Dunk : 10/16/2019 2:01 am : link
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Rams panicking?



Peters for Jalen...definitely an upgrade. Gotta hope a payday and living in LA vs Jax is a plus for Ramsey which hopefully limits the drama.



Payday in Jax is a lot greater than a payday in LA considering the Tax and cost of living differences (the way I see it). I don't understand the claims of "marketability" in NY or LA allowing players to make *substantially* more money when this day and age literally all marketing is digital media and has nothing to do with location.

I could be wrong, but it just seems to me like cost-of-living in LA + paying much higher taxes has much more direct affect on bank account and outweighs the "marketability" aspect of LA. I mean, it's not like Jalen Ramsey is going to be starring in some blockbuster action movie just because he's in LA.

I'm open to hearing other points of view and people proving me wrong but this is just the way I see it in 2019.

You think Eli is the face of Citizen Watch if he's the QB of, say, the Titans? Do you think he'd have made as much from Toyota if he played for the Lions?

Don't kid yourself. It may not matter as much as it used to, but TV, radio, and OOH are all still very real marketing platforms, and the market itself matters.
Beginning of the end for the Rams  
ZogZerg : 10/16/2019 6:21 am : link
They were already fading this year.
Paying so much money on a handful of players and trading away young, good, "cheap" players it will be difficult for them to compete in a couple of years.
Eli Manning makes 7 million in endorsements, Matt Ryan 5 million  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 7:35 am : link
Peyton was making 12 million a year. The market doesn't really matter anymore and the cost of taxes is detrimental at this level and the marketing doesn't seem to make up for it. Being good and winning superbowls is much more important to the marketing aspect than what city you play for.
I wonder if it has to do with the collective bargaining  
Rudy5757 : 10/16/2019 9:16 am : link
agreement that teams are willing to trade cap saving picks for stars. Maybe they think the cap wont be an issue going forward.
If the Giants traded 2 first rounders for Ramsey...  
x meadowlander : 10/16/2019 9:18 am : link
...he's have a career-impacting injury within 4 games.
Philly fans are gonna be pissed about this trade.....  
Fishmanjim57 : 10/16/2019 9:40 am : link
They thought the Eagles were going to trade for Ramsey. I'm glad the Rams got him. That'll make them better, but the 49ers are still better than the Rams. Goff is overrated.
Rams are desperate  
5BowlsSoon : 10/16/2019 9:59 am : link
I think they know they canít win it with this current team. Unfortunately for them, they donít think Goff is also a problem. He is the biggest.
Now that he got traded  
90.Cal : 10/16/2019 10:07 am : link
I would seriously like to know what was the issue with Jalen and TC specifically... rumor was "something was said" to Jalen, and whatever was said led him to asking for a trade and apparently TC was the one who may have said it... so... would love to know what happened behind the scenes there.

Love this deal for the Jags. As long as they draft like they have in recent years and not the way they did from the early to mid 2000's all the way through the Blake Bortles, 3rd overall draft...

If Jalen isnt the best Corner in football the next 5 years... then this is a awful move by L.A... I doubt they make the playoffs this year
Locker room cancer  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 10:41 am : link
but seems like a player's coach McVay can deal with him better than weasel Marrone.
RE: Rams are classic  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 10:45 am : link
In comment 14630457 huygens20 said:
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Example of what happens when the league catches up to you

They went berserk on the league with their 311 formation and didnít come back with enough wrinkles or depth

Belichick showed that Goff canít read defenses

Goffs offensive line are complete trash. Trash oline + canít read defense = death

He's a one read QB without a ton of mobility. An injured Cam Newton. Uh oh spaggetti-ohs.
Not so sure that  
gmenatlarge : 10/16/2019 10:54 am : link
bringing in a head case like Ramsey is a good idea for a struggling team.
RE: RE: Rams need better WR and Edge players  
JonC : 10/16/2019 12:03 pm : link
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and their OL isn't playing like it had in prior seasons.

I'll give them this, they're fun as hell to watch wheel and deal. But, they need upgrades to those positions to win it all.



I think they're absolutely fine at wr. Kupp, woods, and cooks is very good trio


I think they'll fall short deeper in the playoffs. They're also looking like a SB hangover squad at the moment.
So now the Rams have 3 of the Jags  
cjac : 10/16/2019 1:41 pm : link
first round draft picks in the last 5 years

Bortles 2014
Fowler 2015
Ramsey 2016
RE: So now the Rams have 3 of the Jags  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/16/2019 1:45 pm : link
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first round draft picks in the last 5 years

Bortles 2014
Fowler 2015
Ramsey 2016


lol you just got the Schef tweet didnt you? :)
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Leg of Theismann : 10/16/2019 6:34 pm : link
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Rams panicking?



Peters for Jalen...definitely an upgrade. Gotta hope a payday and living in LA vs Jax is a plus for Ramsey which hopefully limits the drama.



Payday in Jax is a lot greater than a payday in LA considering the Tax and cost of living differences (the way I see it). I don't understand the claims of "marketability" in NY or LA allowing players to make *substantially* more money when this day and age literally all marketing is digital media and has nothing to do with location.

I could be wrong, but it just seems to me like cost-of-living in LA + paying much higher taxes has much more direct affect on bank account and outweighs the "marketability" aspect of LA. I mean, it's not like Jalen Ramsey is going to be starring in some blockbuster action movie just because he's in LA.

I'm open to hearing other points of view and people proving me wrong but this is just the way I see it in 2019.


You think Eli is the face of Citizen Watch if he's the QB of, say, the Titans? Do you think he'd have made as much from Toyota if he played for the Lions?

Don't kid yourself. It may not matter as much as it used to, but TV, radio, and OOH are all still very real marketing platforms, and the market itself matters.


1) As a single case: Eli is a quarterback, a Manning, and won 2 super bowl MVPs. He was going to get his fair share endorsements, regardless of the team he played for. I guarantee you that.

2) Quarterbacks in particular are more often "the face of the NFL" and when you are the best in the sport THAT is when you get your endorsements, regardless of the city you live in. Peyton was never in LA or NY and he is the most marketable football player of all time. Have you noticed Baker Mayfield on EVERY SINGLE COMMERCIAL these days? And he's a crappy city with a historically crappy team. Aaron Rodgers has plenty of endorsement $. I guarantee you'll be seeing Mahomes everywhere for the next 10 years. You don't have to play in NY or LA and your point about Eli proves nothing, if you're an ultra-successful NFL QB you are going to get your endorsements, period. (As another poster said Matt Ryan made $5M in endorsements the same calendar year Eli made $7M, and Eli has accomplished way more in his career AND he's a damn Manning which is football royalty).

3) You're talking about what team a guy plays for, whereas I was mostly referring to the effect of the city they're in, which I know is going to have a lot of crossover because generally the more populated cities have more popular teams. BUT-- the Packers are a hugely marketable team despite being in an incredibly small city. If your point is just that the team a guy plays for matters to his marketability to some extent, I absolutely agree with you, but the Rams and Chargers don't have relatively huge fanbases in spite of the fact that they are in the 2nd largest city in the country. My point was simply that Jalen Ramsey being in LA/Hollywood doesn't mean a whole lot for how much money he's going to make from a marketability stand-point when compared to how much he's losing in taxes and cost-of-living by living in LA compared to Jacksonville, FL.
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