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NGT: Can everyone agree that Russell Wilson

AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 1:47 am
is on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer?

I've seen some folks disparage him. Or joke that they wouldn't take him in a trade, when there were rumors Seattle was going to deal him (which they never really going to do).
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RE: Wilson's won-loss record may be the most compelling stat  
Les in TO : 10/16/2019 3:15 pm : link
In comment 14631068 Jimmy Googs said:
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that matters.

Some of the posts here indirectly imply Wilson is holding back the Seahawks which is comical...
yup heís only trailing Brady for winning percentage among active QBs who have 100 starts. Itís not a perfect stat for performance but it is an influential stat given how important QB play is to a teams succes. The legion of boom era and Marshawn have come and gone yet he continues to lead the hawks to victory. And he doesnít exactly have all world receiving talent either.
It's clear most people...  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 3:49 pm : link
really don't watch him play if you are taking a position that Wilson isn't a first ballot player right now. Additionally, you don't understand his circumstances the last 3-4 years.

For example, that Seattle OL in 2017 was one of the worst OLs I have ever seen. They made our 2017 OL look competent. Yet, somehow Wilson got that team to 9 wins - should have been 10 if they didn't choke the final week against AZ.

Wilson got sacked 43X that year. 43! And he is mobile! Eli would have been sacked 100X. Yet, Wilson somehow finished with 34TDS ,only 11INTs, and a 62 QBR. And he tossed in nearly 600 yards rushing, which lead the team.
RE: It's clear most people...  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14631134 bw in dc said:
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really don't watch him play if you are taking a position that Wilson isn't a first ballot player right now. Additionally, you don't understand his circumstances the last 3-4 years.

For example, that Seattle OL in 2017 was one of the worst OLs I have ever seen. They made our 2017 OL look competent. Yet, somehow Wilson got that team to 9 wins - should have been 10 if they didn't choke the final week against AZ.

Wilson got sacked 43X that year. 43! And he is mobile! Eli would have been sacked 100X. Yet, Wilson somehow finished with 34TDS ,only 11INTs, and a 62 QBR. And he tossed in nearly 600 yards rushing, which lead the team.

extraordinary figures.
RE: This is one of those situations...  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 3:54 pm : link
In comment 14630868 bw in dc said:
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where you play the "hit by the bus" game.

If Wilson got hit by a bus today, and couldn't play anymore, I think there is more than enough in his CV to waltz in on the first ballot. He has a SB, should have two if Darrell Bevell wasn't such a dope, and he's clearly demonstrated an uncanny ability to make chicken salad...

He and Elway may be the greatest chicken salad makers ever...


hmm you pose a different question, but an interesting one. I think if his career ended today he is probably a borderline HoF case, and likely not a first ballot. But that is with the understanding that this dude is right in his prime and could have ten more years. That's why I posed the original question. He is obviously on his way to first ballot status, with another 5-7 years.
Unfortunately Hall of Fame talk on this site for QBs not-named Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 10/16/2019 3:59 pm : link
often show a clear lack of objectivity.

Many example threads much like this one...
RE: Unfortunately Hall of Fame talk on this site for QBs not-named Eli  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 4:02 pm : link
In comment 14631147 Jimmy Googs said:
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often show a clear lack of objectivity.

Many example threads much like this one...

agreed.. i root for the Giants but I also watch the whole league as I am an avid fantasy football player. Some of the hardcore fans here seem to not give a crap about the rest of the league, but what's worse, many get loud and obnoxious as if stupidity is a noble trait.
RE: RE: This is one of those situations...  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 4:04 pm : link
In comment 14631142 AndyMilligan said:
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In comment 14630868 bw in dc said:


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where you play the "hit by the bus" game.

If Wilson got hit by a bus today, and couldn't play anymore, I think there is more than enough in his CV to waltz in on the first ballot. He has a SB, should have two if Darrell Bevell wasn't such a dope, and he's clearly demonstrated an uncanny ability to make chicken salad...

He and Elway may be the greatest chicken salad makers ever...



hmm you pose a different question, but an interesting one. I think if his career ended today he is probably a borderline HoF case, and likely not a first ballot. But that is with the understanding that this dude is right in his prime and could have ten more years. That's why I posed the original question. He is obviously on his way to first ballot status, with another 5-7 years.


Another 5-7 year? Really?

He's in the early stages of his 8th year and has, lifetime, 210 TDs, only 63 INTs, 65% completion %, QBR around 67%, and 3800 yards rushing. Those are terrific #s to compliment the SB and outstanding W/L.

Sorry, but he's in right now...easily.
he struggles beyond the first read some games and  
madgiantscow009 : 10/16/2019 4:08 pm : link
holds the ball extra long so he makes his line look worse than they are, but hes great with scrambling and deep ball accuracy

the refs bail him out most games like rodgers and brady. he'll also airmail a ball out of the endzone or 4th down to save his stats.

great player but far from perfect, usually see him in low scoring games vs the west.
RE: RE: RE: This is one of those situations...  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 4:11 pm : link
In comment 14631156 bw in dc said:
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In comment 14631142 AndyMilligan said:


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In comment 14630868 bw in dc said:


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where you play the "hit by the bus" game.

If Wilson got hit by a bus today, and couldn't play anymore, I think there is more than enough in his CV to waltz in on the first ballot. He has a SB, should have two if Darrell Bevell wasn't such a dope, and he's clearly demonstrated an uncanny ability to make chicken salad...

He and Elway may be the greatest chicken salad makers ever...



hmm you pose a different question, but an interesting one. I think if his career ended today he is probably a borderline HoF case, and likely not a first ballot. But that is with the understanding that this dude is right in his prime and could have ten more years. That's why I posed the original question. He is obviously on his way to first ballot status, with another 5-7 years.



Another 5-7 year? Really?

He's in the early stages of his 8th year and has, lifetime, 210 TDs, only 63 INTs, 65% completion %, QBR around 67%, and 3800 yards rushing. Those are terrific #s to compliment the SB and outstanding W/L.

Sorry, but he's in right now...easily.

oh.. i'm quite bullish on his prospects, obviously. I havent looked at his career numbers in context. You may be right. I somehow doubt if he walked away he would be first ballot, but he's probably in.. But his career trajectory is undeniable. Should be to everyone.
RE: he struggles beyond the first read some games and  
Jimmy Googs : 10/16/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14631160 madgiantscow009 said:
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holds the ball extra long so he makes his line look worse than they are, but hes great with scrambling and deep ball accuracy

the refs bail him out most games like rodgers and brady. he'll also airmail a ball out of the endzone or 4th down to save his stats.

great player but far from perfect, usually see him in low scoring games vs the west.


not sure where to start with this post so I will simply pass...
RE: he struggles beyond the first read some games and  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 4:13 pm : link
In comment 14631160 madgiantscow009 said:
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holds the ball extra long so he makes his line look worse than they are, but hes great with scrambling and deep ball accuracy

the refs bail him out most games like rodgers and brady. he'll also airmail a ball out of the endzone or 4th down to save his stats.

great player but far from perfect, usually see him in low scoring games vs the west.

Holds the ball extra long? Do you say the same of Rodgers and Brady when they are looking downfield? Russ is a pass first QB. You make it seem he is leaning on his wheels. he's not.
There arenít many...  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 4:23 pm : link
ďforce multiplierĒ guys in the NFL. Players with the ability to directly impact, in a positive way, other units on the team. Wilson is in that rarified air.

Hereís how good I think he is - I would never hire a Seattle OC because you canít judge them well enough with Wilson at their disposal. Wilson covers up and solves too many problems...
RE: There arenít many...  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 4:43 pm : link
In comment 14631178 bw in dc said:
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ďforce multiplierĒ guys in the NFL. Players with the ability to directly impact, in a positive way, other units on the team. Wilson is in that rarified air.

Hereís how good I think he is - I would never hire a Seattle OC because you canít judge them well enough with Wilson at their disposal. Wilson covers up and solves too many problems...

I think all the great QBs are force multipliers to some extent.. Brady doesnt get enough credit for fixing NE OL problems in the past. Somehow Eli could never get an OL to gel, but Brady would always have a great OL by the end of the year. Solder was a championship LT but now he's no good. Same for Rodgers, Big Ben, Peyton... And with all the yammering about Jalen Ramsey, how the Rams gave up too much. Watch, that defense is about to get a lot better..
RE: Wilson's won-loss record may be the most compelling stat  
NINEster : 10/16/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14631068 Jimmy Googs said:
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that matters.

Some of the posts here indirectly imply Wilson is holding back the Seahawks which is comical...


In the regular season yes, but postseason I'm not so sure.

He's only been past the NFC Divisional game with a #1 defense. Last time he got past that he played in the Super Bowl which is now 5 years ago.

Goff already went to a SB without the #1 defense.

I've spent the last several years micro-analyzing the NFC West. If Wilson's a great QB now, then the Seahawks are a rather average roster. It's not both. Because keeping it real, Lynch in his prime was way better than who they have had since and that defense used to be suffocating. And Wilson is definitely better now than before.

Wilson will get that team to 9-10 wins a year, every year. But after that, debatable. I don't want to see it happen, but won't deny that it could.

Maybe Wilson's a great QB with a roster holding him back. So now you're putting him into 2011-2018 Rodgers' Packers territory.


He's on his way, but its still too early to call  
PatersonPlank : 10/16/2019 6:53 pm : link
He needs more years under his belt at the same level of play
Donít have to convince me  
djm : 10/16/2019 6:55 pm : link
I was signing Wilsonís praises in 2012. I was told heís a game manager and was just a product of the great talent around him. Nonsense. The guy is a terrific qb and has been since day 1. He and Carroll are perfect together.
RE: Donít have to convince me  
AndyMilligan : 10/16/2019 6:59 pm : link
In comment 14631270 djm said:
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I was signing Wilsonís praises in 2012. I was told heís a game manager and was just a product of the great talent around him. Nonsense. The guy is a terrific qb and has been since day 1. He and Carroll are perfect together.

I was a naysayer early on.. thought he was good but not elite.. the last 4 years or so, I see it. He's great at football.
RE: There arenít many...  
NINEster : 10/16/2019 7:01 pm : link
In comment 14631178 bw in dc said:
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ďforce multiplierĒ guys in the NFL. Players with the ability to directly impact, in a positive way, other units on the team. Wilson is in that rarified air.

Hereís how good I think he is - I would never hire a Seattle OC because you canít judge them well enough with Wilson at their disposal. Wilson covers up and solves too many problems...


Or he creates it too.....or shall I say "created it". This year is so precious, we cannot criticize the young man. :)

Last year, they started off 0-2.

They adjusted their pass/rush ratio to throw less and started doing a lot better. People don't realize Wilson is probably in the mid 20s of all QBs since 2012 in passes attempted. He threw 427 times last year which was his lowest since his first SB year of 407. He's on pace to throw for 504 this year. Brees has been in the mid 600s this decade except last year, for comparison. Even "game manager" 2002 Brady threw for 601.

Credit to Pete Carroll -- what they've done with Wilson is a lot on him as well. The scramble drill coaching - no team does it better since he's been in the league - is something they actually work on given his unique talent of elusiveness.

People like to assume that if you give him McVay, Shanahan, Reid, he's going to throw for 80 TDs and 9000 yards. I really don't think that will happen. He will not play in the system as the QBs on those teams do.

Those coaches are not going to hate having Wilson but they will be frustrated to an extent.

I still contend he's not a Brady/Brees/Peyton type surgeon and never will be.

His lack of ability in that context is what will hold him back in my mind in the postseason.

2011 Eli was a better QB than Wilson is now.

Not sure heís a HOFer now  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 7:18 pm : link
Never mind HOF. And similar to Big Ben Seattle doesnít win shit without that D and Lynch. Heís playing like an MVP this year but I recall the hysteria about Matt Ryan being a HOFer. Geez. Fist ballot HOFer.

Holy hyperbole Batman. May as well vote him best ever now too if we are going be just silly
If he gets an all pro this year, which he is on track to do, he  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 7:30 pm : link
might as well get fitted for his gold jacket.
I donít think itís hyperbole at all  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 7:31 pm : link
his career has been excellent, not great, excellent. Heís an extremely rare player unlike any Iíve seen before. Not quite peak Rodgers but has a similar overall impact (both players typically had average at best, sometimes terrible pieces around them). As for him having a great rushing attack, do you think he isnít a primary reason for that? If he wasnít a threat to run do you think all the Jags theyíve had over the years would be anywhere near as successful?

And a giant LOL to the poster that claims he holds the ball too long to make his line look bad and throws away the ball to pad stats. Christ. Where do you even begin with that?
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 7:38 pm : link
I missed this nugget:

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And a giant LOL to the poster that claims he holds the ball too long to make his line look bad and throws away the ball to pad stats. Christ. Where do you even begin with that?


Posts like that make me cherish sanity and the ability to process what my eyes are showing me.
DJ Fluker is starting on that line, think about that for a second.  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 7:41 pm : link
As we Giants fans know he may be the worst pass blocker in the league.
Every think they pass less because  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 7:46 pm : link
of 2 pretty damn important factors.

1. Wilson commands donít much attention that not running the ball would be stupid.

2. He isnít playing with amazing WRs and never has. Doug Baldwin was the best WR he ever played with. Not exactly Randy Moss or Marvin Harrison.

Lastly if Wilson did all of this as a Giant every person on here making various excuses about his level of play would be singing a different tune.
so much attention  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 7:47 pm : link
autocorrect is awful
Yeah I've never gotten this one. He's basically been great  
ChaChing : 10/16/2019 8:31 pm : link
every year. His numbers are as good as any. Mentioned this in another thread not long ago - 2nd ALL-TIME in passer rating to Rodgers. I'm with those who aren't huge on that stat esp in short samples, yet over careers and the life of the league, that is ridiculous - good D, run game, OL whatever. And of course he hasn't had good everything each year

And that's just reviewing numbers. Watch him play and I don't see how anyone almost any season would say he's anything less than one of the top NFL QBs over his career (at the least...if you don't want to talk all time, i guess)
I think the best comp is Big Ben  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/16/2019 8:37 pm : link
Champions who are at their best when they can extend a play for a big gain. Big Ben did it with his size and surprising mobility while Wilson's quickness is just incredible. Wilson has 1 SB vs. Ben's 2, but it could EASILY be the other way around.

He's definitely a HOFer already, 1st ballot will depend on the rest of his career. He's been better than ever this year.
Helluva QB & probably MVP favorite.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/16/2019 9:18 pm : link
I like him, though I hate his franchise.
NINEster  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 10:31 pm : link
Seriously, can Brady or Brees do this?

I mean, this is upper echelon stuff here...
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Loved him  
Jay in Toronto : 10/16/2019 10:35 pm : link
As a Badger 🙂
RE: I donít think itís hyperbole at all  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 11:34 pm : link
In comment 14631287 UConn4523 said:
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his career has been excellent, not great, excellent. Heís an extremely rare player unlike any Iíve seen before. Not quite peak Rodgers but has a similar overall impact (both players typically had average at best, sometimes terrible pieces around them). As for him having a great rushing attack, do you think he isnít a primary reason for that? If he wasnít a threat to run do you think all the Jags theyíve had over the years would be anywhere near as successful?

And a giant LOL to the poster that claims he holds the ball too long to make his line look bad and throws away the ball to pad stats. Christ. Where do you even begin with that?


When you start out a post by saying everyone has to agree heís a first ballot guy itís hyperbole. No I donít. Heís gotten better every year. Where did I say he wasnt great QB now? Imo this is his best year. That doesnít mean he also hasnít had good years before.

Also his defense is amazing again and the offensive talent level is better than itís been in quite a while. A few years ago when the weak. Shambles and Lynch left did he look this amazing. Im sure some of the same people who had Matt Ryan as a sure fire ball of fame guy are not so sore today.

Sorry. Hes having an amazing year and has raised his game. Great kid compared to a lot of the assholes too Just will wait a few more seasons before he becomes the next best ever for me
RE: NINEster  
NINEster : 10/17/2019 8:59 am : link
In comment 14631370 bw in dc said:
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Seriously, can Brady or Brees do this?

I mean, this is upper echelon stuff here... LINK - ( New Window )


No they cannot. Right now, that list is very small....Mahomes, Rodgers, Watson maybe. He has uncanny touch when a throw needs air under it.

And remember I would say that Wilson is a tremendous playmaker, but this is 100% a perfect example of why I think he's overrated in the context of being a top, top QB.

It's been awhile and I think he was a bit underrated, but Kap in his "prime" did a few things with his arm and legs that Brady and Brees could not do as well. See link below for such a play.

Those plays are nice but should always be the icing on the cake, not the main dish.

And yes, maybe things have changed but we're in year 8 now. Just a few years ago they hosted the Dolphins to kick the season off and he did nothing for 58 minutes, then leads them to a last minute TD drive and all is well.

Same with the Cowboy playoff game. As soon as Dak iced the game with that TD run, Wilson became unstoppable with a 30 second TD drive.


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Matt Ryan's case for HOF when his coach put the ball in his hands  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2019 9:02 am : link
in the SB evaporated when he didn't get it done.
Lauderdale  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 9:19 am : link
you couldn't be more wrong about the Seattle team this year. That defense is ranked 20th in points allowed per game, 20th in yards, 26th in sacks, and tied for 8th in INTs which is skewed because they only have 1 more than the 13th ranked team and 2 more from the 19th ranked team.

Russell Wilson is not playing with great players. He certainly isn't on offense and that defense isn't very good. They have let up 20 to Cincinnati, 26 to Pittsburgh when Roethlisberger got injured, 33 to New Orleans without Brees, 29 to the Rams, and 28 to the Browns. Their one good game was against the Cardinals.
Matt Ryan  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 9:25 am : link
isn't in the same stratosphere as Wilson. Just not close. In fact, I can't remember anyone talking HoF even after his MVP year.
Why do we always have to say that someone is immediately  
figgy2989 : 10/17/2019 9:42 am : link
a first ballot HOF'er. I think someone mentioned it earlier in the thread, but everyone thought Luck was a no doubter. Now that he has retired due to injury, most don't even think he is even HOF worthy.


Russell Wilson is a tremendous talent and is no doubt an elite player right now. What if he was injured this Sunday and never played in the NFL again, is he still a first ballot HOF'er? The point is, Wilson should have many more years in the NFL in front of him.
Sure enough  
figgy2989 : 10/17/2019 9:43 am : link
After I submitted my comment, Britt's 10:50 from yesterday was the first comment that showed up. I basically echoed what he said.
RE: Why is everybody so quick to label guys first ballot HOF'ers?  
figgy2989 : 10/17/2019 9:44 am : link
In comment 14630778 Britt in VA said:
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Did it with Andrew Luck, hell probably even RGIII after one season.

Lots can change. He's a great player. If he keeps doing what he's doing then yeah, he'll probably be a HOF'er because he has the hardware, too. But the guy has a long way to go and a lot can change.

So no, at this time, I'm not going to agree that he's a first ballot HOF'er.


Sorry, this is the comment I was referring to. I agree with Britt here.
A bit ďeye-rollingĒ that this thread continues to have posters  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2019 9:48 am : link
questioning Russell Wilsonís overall value to Seahawk team over his career.

I donít subscribe to the ďneed to wait and seeĒ theory on his HOF status but I can at least see how conservative posters can have the view.

Posters debating his value though are simply taking a bad stance...
Googs  
figgy2989 : 10/17/2019 10:02 am : link
Hope that wasn't towards me. There is no doubt that Wilson is an elite talent and a top tier QB in the league right now. There is no doubt he elevates the rest of the team around him.

My issue is more that we have to label a certain player 1st Ballot HOF'er when the complete body of work is no where near finished.
RE: Googs  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14631508 figgy2989 said:
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Hope that wasn't towards me. There is no doubt that Wilson is an elite talent and a top tier QB in the league right now. There is no doubt he elevates the rest of the team around him.



Based on your view above it clearly isnt directed at you...
why does anyone care is the bigger question  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 10:42 am : link
if I think Luck will be a HoFer and he ends up retiring early, do I somehow lose out on credibility or something?

We are also talking about way different players. Luck didn't have 8 years in the league, a Superbowl title + runner up, and the level of stats that Wilson has acquired (take a look at his efficiency numbers, they are off the charts).

RG3? Why is he here, because he had a good season? No one called him HoF bound, that's making up an argument that doesn't exist.
by the way the OP is being misquoted as well  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 10:47 am : link
he said "on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer?". I think that's absolutely true, he's on his way. He's already a HoFer and likely first ballot when he accumulates a few more years of service.

Ask yourself if Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers were or were not HoFers after 8 seasons because Wilson is in that company.
RE: by the way the OP is being misquoted as well  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2019 11:17 am : link
In comment 14631536 UConn4523 said:
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he said "on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer?".


yep, mentioned this same thing yesterday...

The OP said "he was on his way" to being a first ballot HOF
Jimmy Googs : 10/16/2019 12:08 pm : link : reply
Don't get all worked up, Eli will get in before him...
RE: by the way the OP is being misquoted as well  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/17/2019 2:47 pm : link
In comment 14631536 UConn4523 said:
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he said "on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer?". I think that's absolutely true, he's on his way. He's already a HoFer and likely first ballot when he accumulates a few more years of service.

Ask yourself if Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers were or were not HoFers after 8 seasons because Wilson is in that company.


I don't agree with that, Wilson is pretty clearly the weakest QB of that group you just listed even after 8 years. Brees is the only one even kind of debatable, but I'd still take him over Wilson.

Russ a tier below that, which is why this is an interesting thread. I still said he'd be a HOFer today and potentially 1st ballot, but let's not go overrating him to balance out those underrating him.
Brees had 2 winning seasons  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 3:36 pm : link
his first 7 years in the league then he gets over the hump in year 8 and wins a title. Wilson has done nothing but win, has 2 Super Bowl appearances with 1 win and has been the far more efficient player H2H by this point in their careers. Iíd put Wilsonís career ahead of Breesí at that point, and squarely behind the other 3. I donít think thatís an unreasonable take.
Brees is the debatable one  
Osi Osi Osi OyOyOy : 10/17/2019 4:23 pm : link
I can see the argument there. But Brees' career is a little different from those other guys including Wilson since he's had an unprecedented 2nd act in New Orleans where he's practically averaged 5000 yards a season for a decade. Maybe you're right and Wilson is neck-and-neck with Brees or a little ahead through 8 years, but I don't think either of those guys' first 8 years compare to Peyton/Brady/Rodgers who were 100% 1st ballot HOFers through their first 8 years as starting QBs.

Wilson's defenses during his career in terms of PPG...

2012: 1st
2013: 1st
2014: 1st
2015: 1st
2016: 3rd
2017: 13th
2018: 11th
2019: 20th

4 straight years with the #1 defense in the NFL? That's just an incredible support system to start your career, combined with their rushing attack. The Legion of Boom was no joke, they demolished Peyton in a Super Bowl and should've beat Brady in another. Most talented secondary in recent memory for sure.

He's a great player and probable 1st ballot guy at this rate, but I just wouldn't put him on the level of those other 4 guys you mentioned just yet.
Thatís fair  
UConn4523 : 10/17/2019 4:30 pm : link
I wasnít really ranking them, just top of mind guys who were in at the same point as Wilson is now. Agreed on the first ballot for the big 3. Wilson will be too after a few more years. Outside of major injury/out of left field retirement, heís a lock for first ballot status.

Looking things up itís still unreal to me how ridiculously efficient Rodgers was/is. Itís crazy how little support he had over the years there, arguably worse than anyone on that list and easily the worst of the HCs.
You all can dissect the current elite QBs any way you want but  
Jimmy Googs : 10/17/2019 6:56 pm : link
I pick Rodgers or Wilson if I wanted to go win a game any day of the week.

And I put them on my HOF ballot the first year they are eligible...


RE: by the way the OP is being misquoted as well  
AndyMilligan : 10/18/2019 12:13 am : link
In comment 14631536 UConn4523 said:
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he said "on his way to being a first ballot Hall of Famer?". I think that's absolutely true, he's on his way. He's already a HoFer and likely first ballot when he accumulates a few more years of service.

Ask yourself if Brady, Brees, Manning, and Rodgers were or were not HoFers after 8 seasons because Wilson is in that company.


exacly.. his trajectory is first ballot HoF, I didn't mean to say he is a first ballot lock right now.
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