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Dexter Lawrence... Most impactful DL from 2019 Draft

KingBlue : 10/16/2019 8:24 am
Really good article with some clips of Dexter's skills showcasing his effort and pass rushing acumen.

An excerpt from linked article:

For a defensive tackle class headlined by Quinnen Williams, Ed Oliver and Christian Wilkins, Lawrence has been the most impactful and dynamic interior defensive linemen from the 2019 class to date. Most importantly, Lawrence is proving his doubters wrong that he's limited and won't be able to make a difference outside of defending the run.
Big Dex - ( New Window )
Production is there...  
KingBlue : 10/16/2019 8:37 am : link
More from the article:

Lawrence has already logged two sacks to go with 10 hurries and three quarterback hits across his first six NFL games. Heís also blocked a field goal.
Fire Gettleman!  
Chris684 : 10/16/2019 8:40 am : link
He picked a non-impact 2 down DL @ 17!

We want Odell back!
Nickname  
EB222 : 10/16/2019 8:44 am : link

With a shout out to Bartolo Colon, can we settle on "The Big Dexy?"
PFF's highest graded rookie...  
KingBlue : 10/16/2019 8:48 am : link
Nick Bosa? Kyler Murray? Josh Allen?

No, it's Dexter Lawrence.
PFF's highest graded Rookie - ( New Window )
Have to give Gettleman his due  
Coopcomic : 10/16/2019 9:10 am : link
The jury is still out somewhat, but the drafts have been impressive. Considering what Gettleman inherited, the decision making has been fairly excellent (JPP, Vernon, OBJ, Collins) - and we're getting a compensatory 3rd rounder for Collins too. When you consider 5th rounder choices like Slayton/Connelly - I have to say, I really like what he's done with the place. Yes, you can thump him for free agents, but the appropriate follow up question on each acquisition has to be: 'as compared to what?'
RE: PFF's highest graded rookie...  
BestFeature : 10/16/2019 9:15 am : link
In comment 14630548 KingBlue said:
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Nick Bosa? Kyler Murray? Josh Allen?

No, it's Dexter Lawrence. PFF's highest graded Rookie - ( New Window )


I somehow have to balance thinking PFF is shit when it gives us poor grades, and taking it as gospel when it gives us good grades and not look like a hypocrite, haha.
Nailed the pick  
Canton : 10/16/2019 9:15 am : link
Makes the OBJ trade more palatable.
Love Dex  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2019 9:15 am : link
But also- Ed Oliver's been doing a lot of those non statistical DL things, and getting lots of pressures, and bills are greatly improved

My rant was both those guys next to each other ...different types
RE: RE: PFF's highest graded rookie...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14630568 BestFeature said:
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Nick Bosa? Kyler Murray? Josh Allen?

No, it's Dexter Lawrence. PFF's highest graded Rookie - ( New Window )



I somehow have to balance thinking PFF is shit when it gives us poor grades, and taking it as gospel when it gives us good grades and not look like a hypocrite, haha.


PFF is shit. Their ratings have really no good time for ever being used as support or denial of a point.
Oliver I think  
idiotsavant : 10/16/2019 9:21 am : link
11 pressures, 2 qb hits, 1 pass defense, so far. Also holds up vs run.

Loved and mock drafted the Dex L as well, just saying
RE: RE: RE: PFF's highest graded rookie...  
KingBlue : 10/16/2019 9:29 am : link
In comment 14630576 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Nick Bosa? Kyler Murray? Josh Allen?

No, it's Dexter Lawrence. PFF's highest graded Rookie - ( New Window )



I somehow have to balance thinking PFF is shit when it gives us poor grades, and taking it as gospel when it gives us good grades and not look like a hypocrite, haha.



PFF is shit. Their ratings have really no good time for ever being used as support or denial of a point.


I agree as a stand alone PFF is not especially convincing... just another voice in the crowd. But watching Dex perform has me pumped about his future and his value.
Indeed..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 9:31 am : link
I'm pumped to watch him play and develop.
RE: Nickname  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14630540 EB222 said:
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With a shout out to Bartolo Colon, can we settle on "The Big Dexy?"


That is a great nickname. I'm going with it.
So, we trust PFF now?  
jcn56 : 10/16/2019 10:07 am : link
Go figure.
RE: So, we trust PFF now?  
KingBlue : 10/16/2019 10:13 am : link
In comment 14630651 jcn56 said:
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Go figure.


No we don't as a stand alone voice, but listen to the chorus of voices that are opining on Dexter. Better yet, what do your own eyes tell you?
Production? Check
Power, Speed, Hand Play, Effort? Check

Never mind PFF... What do you say? Just curious.
but bbi said  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 10:27 am : link
all DGs moves are terrible and he's just a stooge of Accorssi whose a Mara stooge who never won a SB and has a bad toupee.

I don't need PFF to tell me he's good when he's pushing around NFL olinemen like they're a shopping cart. His blocked kick was his most important play, have to give opposing ST coaches a headache.
And in his interviews  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 10:29 am : link
seems to have all the intangibles which bodes well for the future, unlike dopey JPP who lacks the basic instinct of self preservation.
RE: Have to give Gettleman his due  
islander1 : 10/16/2019 10:34 am : link
In comment 14630566 Coopcomic said:
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The jury is still out somewhat, but the drafts have been impressive. Considering what Gettleman inherited, the decision making has been fairly excellent (JPP, Vernon, OBJ, Collins) - and we're getting a compensatory 3rd rounder for Collins too. When you consider 5th rounder choices like Slayton/Connelly - I have to say, I really like what he's done with the place. Yes, you can thump him for free agents, but the appropriate follow up question on each acquisition has to be: 'as compared to what?'


Gettleman will REALLY shut pundits up if he actually selects well in free agency next off-season.
Loved the pick  
WillVAB : 10/16/2019 11:14 am : link
Heís a good player. Gettleman just needs to keep adding quality to the trenches.
Lawrence  
lugnut : 10/16/2019 11:30 am : link
seems to be EXACTLY what Sy said he was. Without bootlicking (or licking anything else), can I recommend Sy to become NYG's new chief scout?
RE: Lawrence  
BestFeature : 10/16/2019 11:37 am : link
In comment 14630779 lugnut said:
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seems to be EXACTLY what Sy said he was. Without bootlicking (or licking anything else), can I recommend Sy to become NYG's new chief scout?


Well we definitely wouldn't have drafted Jones then.
RE: RE: So, we trust PFF now?  
jcn56 : 10/16/2019 11:39 am : link
In comment 14630663 KingBlue said:
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Go figure.



No we don't as a stand alone voice, but listen to the chorus of voices that are opining on Dexter. Better yet, what do your own eyes tell you?
Production? Check
Power, Speed, Hand Play, Effort? Check

Never mind PFF... What do you say? Just curious.


I think he's definitely exceeded expectations thus far. He's been on the field for a lot of snaps, but both he and Tomlinson have been performing at a high level. If they were getting more from Hill, who seems to be undergoing a sophomore slump, the interior of the line would be a pretty formidable unit.
Another thing DG's critics don't seem to get  
Dr. D : 10/16/2019 12:15 pm : link
DG inherited a really bad roster and as coopcomic alluded to above, the FA pool is limited.

Really good players usually don't become free agents (they're franchised or re-signed by their orig. team). How many great left tackles were available in spring of '18? I believe the answer is zero. Same goes for really good linebackers.

It's going to take some time to rebuild the shitty roster Reese built, but it seems pretty clear to me that we're finally heading in the right direction.
I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Dr. D : 10/16/2019 12:27 pm : link
when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?

RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Nine-Tails : 10/16/2019 12:31 pm : link
In comment 14630861 Dr. D said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?


I think the youth on the team is promising, but you canít deny his moves in free agency have been awful. Also, a lot of dead cap on the roster and if you include Eli on the bench, it totals to above 60 million. Heís been a mixed bag so far
PFF...  
Stan in LA : 10/16/2019 12:41 pm : link
RULES!
Nevermind PFF  
ryanmkeane : 10/16/2019 12:50 pm : link
just going by the eye test, Lawrence is dominating out there
RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 12:59 pm : link
In comment 14630861 Dr. D said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?

And OHara and Mckenzie weren't even "good" FAs, pretty much gems. Not exactly Pouncey and Lane Johnson hitting the market. The Markus Golden of OL.
RE: RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Brown Recluse : 10/16/2019 1:11 pm : link
In comment 14630869 Nine-Tails said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?




I think the youth on the team is promising, but you canít deny his moves in free agency have been awful. Also, a lot of dead cap on the roster and if you include Eli on the bench, it totals to above 60 million. Heís been a mixed bag so far


This narrative that his free agency moves have been awful really needs to stop. 2018 wasn't so great but 2019 has been much better. The only questionable signing thus far has been Bethea. Remmers, Golden, and Tate (and even Mayo) have contributed positively.

2018 is over. Move on. He's made some good moves in FA and some bad ones, but it hasn't been "dreadful" or "awful," no matter how badly some of you want it to be true.
RE: RE: RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Nine-Tails : 10/16/2019 1:24 pm : link
In comment 14630920 Brown Recluse said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?




I think the youth on the team is promising, but you canít deny his moves in free agency have been awful. Also, a lot of dead cap on the roster and if you include Eli on the bench, it totals to above 60 million. Heís been a mixed bag so far



This narrative that his free agency moves have been awful really needs to stop. 2018 wasn't so great but 2019 has been much better. The only questionable signing thus far has been Bethea. Remmers, Golden, and Tate (and even Mayo) have contributed positively.

2018 is over. Move on. He's made some good moves in FA and some bad ones, but it hasn't been "dreadful" or "awful," no matter how badly some of you want it to be true.


I donít know how you could call Tate a positive signing so far, considering he got suspended, the juryís still out. Remmers is not good either, better than what weíve had, but still not good. Michael Thomas and Markus Golden are his best signings. Solder is awful considering his contract, Omameh was a waster, Kareem Martin a waste. Lot more bad than good, and the dead cap is significant. DG has been a mixed bag so far
PFF is the ultimate IQ test here on BBI  
figgy2989 : 10/16/2019 1:26 pm : link
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The Solder signing was the only bad one  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 1:30 pm : link
and even that can be righted if he snaps out of it, the ability is still there. The rest are people complaining just to complain. Being up in arms over Stewart and Omameh is funny to me, shit happens.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
Brown Recluse : 10/16/2019 1:34 pm : link
In comment 14630940 Nine-Tails said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?




I think the youth on the team is promising, but you canít deny his moves in free agency have been awful. Also, a lot of dead cap on the roster and if you include Eli on the bench, it totals to above 60 million. Heís been a mixed bag so far



This narrative that his free agency moves have been awful really needs to stop. 2018 wasn't so great but 2019 has been much better. The only questionable signing thus far has been Bethea. Remmers, Golden, and Tate (and even Mayo) have contributed positively.

2018 is over. Move on. He's made some good moves in FA and some bad ones, but it hasn't been "dreadful" or "awful," no matter how badly some of you want it to be true.



I donít know how you could call Tate a positive signing so far, considering he got suspended, the juryís still out. Remmers is not good either, better than what weíve had, but still not good. Michael Thomas and Markus Golden are his best signings. Solder is awful considering his contract, Omameh was a waster, Kareem Martin a waste. Lot more bad than good, and the dead cap is significant. DG has been a mixed bag so far


If you don't call 100 yards receiving and a TD last week a positive contribution then I don't know what to tell you. He's not Odell Beckham and if you expect that kind of production then you're delusional.

Remmers has held his own especially considering that he's on a cheap one year deal. What more do you want??? If Solder has been awful considering his contract, then Remmers has been great considering his.

Yeah Omameh was bad, but they rectified that as soon as they could with Brown.

Like I said, there have been good and bad. But it hasn't been awful overall like some want to believe. Thats a complete exaggeration made by fans who are just frustrated and choose to be obtuse.
Remmers makes $2.5m  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 1:39 pm : link
perspective is needed when trying to pile it on. And the dead cap is largely due to 1 player and a truly unique scenario that doesn't happen too often. And taking on that dead cap has led to new players who will hopefully be part of our new foundation.

Again, you need to look at the entire picture when trying to claim something sucks. Sure, I wish we didn't have the dead cap but if we didn't that means either we traded Beckham before signing him, or had him still on the roster, and likely still unhappy and causing issues. Instead the picks we got for him turned into Dexter Lawrence and Ximines, and allowed us to take Jones at 6 knowing we'd still get an impact player at 17.

Why aren't you talking about his Vernon trade? Didn't we get to move up and grab Baker because of it?

Its been a mixed bag but far more good than bad IMO, and that's with the cloud of what to do with Eli Manning over the teams head that last 2 years.
RE: RE: I think DG proved he knew pro talent  
giants#1 : 10/16/2019 1:48 pm : link
In comment 14630907 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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when he was our pro personnel guy in '00s and signed FAs like Plex, O'Hara, Kareem McKenzie, et al. But those quality players aren't always available.

To those who think he's done such a horrible job these past 2 years, were there any great FAs that he didn't try to sign?



And OHara and Mckenzie weren't even "good" FAs, pretty much gems. Not exactly Pouncey and Lane Johnson hitting the market. The Markus Golden of OL.


McKenzie wasn't a top OL? Pretty sure they made him one of the highest paid RTs ever. Spotrac only goes back to 2011 for AAV, but in 2011 McKenzie's $5.3M AAV would've ranked 3rd among NFL RTs. He signed his deal in 2005.
More Gettleman defending...  
Coopcomic : 10/16/2019 2:06 pm : link
On Eli - I give him a pass on that too. There is no set expiration date necessarily on QB's, and it's kind of a Derek Jeter situation there. The organization decided to take a hit. The fans were mixed, and now are ok with the transition finally.

When you consider how little was received for AB which had just happened, you have to again be pretty impressed with Gettleman's haul. If he had waited, it was an AB situation brewing where he'd be too toxic. The rest of the acquisitions have to be compared to hits and misses of other GMs if you're going to be fair and again, you have to say - 'ok, we pass on this guy - so who plays LT?', etc.
I was alluding to OBJ....sorry.  
Coopcomic : 10/16/2019 2:07 pm : link
Sorry in my last post - comparing him to AB.
Also promising was comments from  
Torn Tendon : 10/16/2019 4:27 pm : link
Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks' Move the Sticks podcast a week or two ago.

They were talking about where they see the NFL teams trending in the coming years. They said that teams still want 2 really good pass rushers. But rather than both rushing from the outside; they want a guy who can get pressure up the middle forcing the QB to move. And then an outside guy to chase down the QB.

The pick of Lawrence makes more sense to me now. He fits the bill of the inside pass rush guy. And those guys seem to be a lot harder to find than an outside pass rusher.
RE: RE: PFF's highest graded rookie...  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 8:27 pm : link
In comment 14630568 BestFeature said:
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In comment 14630548 KingBlue said:


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Nick Bosa? Kyler Murray? Josh Allen?

No, it's Dexter Lawrence. PFF's highest graded Rookie - ( New Window )



I somehow have to balance thinking PFF is shit when it gives us poor grades, and taking it as gospel when it gives us good grades and not look like a hypocrite, haha.


Broken clock rule. And you donít need their rankings. Your eyes watching that humongous man throwing people around and making an impact over and over means they are agreeing w us. Not us agreeing with them lol
RE: And in his interviews  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 8:29 pm : link
In comment 14630691 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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seems to have all the intangibles which bodes well for the future, unlike dopey JPP who lacks the basic instinct of self preservation.


Should I feel bad laughing out loud at this? Dead on sadly. . Dead may be next w his instincts. Darwin seems to have caught him twice
How can you take PFF...  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 10:21 pm : link
seriously when they say this:

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"Despite the matchup against the formidable Patriots offensive line..."


I mean, are you f-ckin kidding me?? The Pats "formidable" OL?!? Uh, that was last year you buffoons.

That OL is being held together with gum and paper clips. Marshall Newhouse is the LT. Their third LT plucked off the scrap heap. Andrew is IR. Wynn is IR. Froholdt is IR.

This idiocy has to end.
Given Lawrence's tools - his freaky combo of size, power,  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/17/2019 3:30 am : link
quickness and flexibility, he should be the most impactful DL out of the gate.


The real question with him is will he reach his full potential?
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