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NGT: Josh Rosen benched for journeyman Fitzpatrick again

Ben in Tampa : 10/16/2019 12:08 pm
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Not a good look for Rosen when Fitz came in the game and moved the  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 12:12 pm : link
ball at will. They should have won if not for a mind bogglingly dumb 2 point conversation attempt, it almost made it look like the Dolphins really are tanking on purpose, but that is at odds with benching Rosen to begin with.
I feel bad for Rosen  
Jay on the Island : 10/16/2019 12:13 pm : link
If you've seen a Dolphins game you would understand why. Last week he played very poorly but the previous two he played well but his OL and receivers let him down.

Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.

Really stupid.  
Big Blue '56 : 10/16/2019 12:14 pm : link
Play the guy through all the warts. Youíre not going anywhere. See what you have.
They know what they have  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 10/16/2019 12:16 pm : link
Thatís why they want the first draft pick.
Rough start to his career  
Oscar : 10/16/2019 12:16 pm : link
Curious what he could do on a real team with real coaching. Would be interesting to see the Pats take a chance on him for example, whatís the downside?
What I don't get  
jcn56 : 10/16/2019 12:18 pm : link
they're obviously playing to lose. They're obviously trying to get at the QB class. Why not just play Rosen? Best case scenario, he plays a bit better and he's worth something in trade. Worst case scenario, you're losing anyway.
Whomever they draft at QB  
Big Blue '56 : 10/16/2019 12:19 pm : link
is far from a guarantee over Rosen.
RE: I feel bad for Rosen  
bw in dc : 10/16/2019 12:20 pm : link
In comment 14630831 Jay on the Island said:
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If you've seen a Dolphins game you would understand why. Last week he played very poorly but the previous two he played well but his OL and receivers let him down.

Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.


Agreed. Rosen has been in back to back wasteland situations.

And you can write the script on Fitz. Last week he did his usual "flash" moment. But he'll fold like a blanket in about 2-3 weeks because the league has the "How to Stop Fitz Manual" still in circulation. So it's just a matter of finding it and dusting it off...
Rosen is a good player  
Tuckrule : 10/16/2019 12:23 pm : link
Dolphins lead the league in drops. I saw the fins cowboys game and Rosen played very well. Heíll get a shot somewhere else and deserves one. A good spot for him would be tamp bay.
RE: They know what they have  
Nine-Tails : 10/16/2019 12:27 pm : link
In comment 14630837 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Thatís why they want the first draft pick.


I think youíre right. I was a big fan of Rosen before the 2018 draft. And while heís been in awful situations going back to college, the lack of interest throughout the league told me something. Heís probably not good. There was a stat I saw, that Rosen When Rosen has a clean pocket, which was around 60%, he was lowest among qualified passers.
I think its time a lot of people here to admit  
bLiTz 2k : 10/16/2019 12:32 pm : link
they were wrong about Rosen...I doubt hes in the league by the time his rookie deal is up.
It's actually..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/16/2019 12:34 pm : link
even more damning that in a season where the Fins are going nowhere, they benched him.

If they had any plan for him in the future - any inkling he's the guy, they'd play him and let him have a learning curve.

They see what they have and still are sitting him.
Gettleman's football IQ  
Chris684 : 10/16/2019 12:40 pm : link
multiplying by the week it seems!
RE: Gettleman's football IQ  
Big Blue '56 : 10/16/2019 12:45 pm : link
In comment 14630885 Chris684 said:
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multiplying by the week it seems!


😂😂
Rosen was dealt a bad hand  
UConn4523 : 10/16/2019 12:48 pm : link
but he hasn't made the best of it at all. He stinks. And Murray is actually winning games in Arizona, albeit in a different offense but still.

Best thing we ever did was avoid Rosen.
What UConn said.  
Red Dog : 10/16/2019 12:56 pm : link
Rosen stinks.
RE: Not a good look for Rosen when Fitz came in the game and moved the  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/16/2019 1:01 pm : link
In comment 14630828 Zeke's Alibi said:
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ball at will. They should have won if not for a mind bogglingly dumb 2 point conversation attempt, it almost made it look like the Dolphins really are tanking on purpose, but that is at odds with benching Rosen to begin with.

Maybe they were expecting the version of Fitzy that throws 4 interceptions.
Dodged a major bullet there  
Tim in VA : 10/16/2019 1:02 pm : link
by not drafting him. Seems like yesterday I was arguing with everyone about him vs Saquon.
Still confused why a tanking and rebuilding team looking  
BestFeature : 10/16/2019 1:20 pm : link
for next year's draft for a future QB would trade a 2nd round pick for a young QB.
I hope his first two seasons  
David B. : 10/16/2019 1:41 pm : link
don't completely ruin him. The kid had so much potential. He's getting so screwed in Miami.
They Knew What They Were Doing  
Bob in Vt : 10/16/2019 1:43 pm : link
Try again - They Knew What they Were Doing  
Bob in Vt : 10/16/2019 1:45 pm : link
.  
arcarsenal : 10/16/2019 1:47 pm : link
The Josh Rosen part of Miami's equation has never made any sense to me. Nothing about it really follows any sort of logic.

I guess thats why Miami is in this position to begin with.
I will admit I was wrong on Rosen  
twostepgiants : 10/16/2019 1:58 pm : link
I was one of his most adamant supporters in the Draft at the 2 pick AND for a trade with the Cards due to low cost to acquire/salary ie low risk

Rosen has throws every once in awhile that are eye popping but there has been zero sense that he can marshall it all together and lead a franchise

Gettleman made the right call going Barkley passing on QB and then made the right call going Jones this year and passing on a low cost/low risk trade for Rosen

I was wrong.
Pretty damning move on what they think of Rosen .  
Bluesbreaker : 10/16/2019 2:27 pm : link
Hopefully he catches on elsewhere makes you wonder if
he is NFL material time will tell but as we complain about
the Giants and its been pretty bad around here for some
time I feel DG has us going in the right direction .
I expect some misses in the draft and free agency .
But with Barkley and Jones we filled to key positions
jury still out on Jones but so far so good.
Dolphins are a dumpster fire right now so things could
be a whole lot worse .
they are starting him again this week  
ron mexico : 10/16/2019 2:30 pm : link
this is just referring to the in game switch. Which they have done a few times already if I recall correctly

I don't think this says much about Rosen, that situation is a shit show.
RE: Really stupid.  
Matt M. : 10/16/2019 2:37 pm : link
In comment 14630832 Big Blue '56 said:
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Play the guy through all the warts. Youíre not going anywhere. See what you have.
Agree 100%
Ah, I can remember people screaming at the top of their lungs that  
SterlingArcher : 10/16/2019 2:42 pm : link
the Giants must draft Rosen no matter the price! Man, the Giants dodged a bullet on that one!
RE: Ah, I can remember people screaming at the top of their lungs that  
Chris in Philly : 10/16/2019 2:45 pm : link
In comment 14631045 SterlingArcher said:
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the Giants must draft Rosen no matter the price! Man, the Giants dodged a bullet on that one!


And then the next year the same voices saying we needed to trade for him. Maybe he's just not that good...
RE: Gettleman's football IQ  
Gettledogman : 10/16/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14630885 Chris684 said:
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multiplying by the week it seems!


Truth!
We all know Miami is trying to tank  
UberAlias : 10/16/2019 3:38 pm : link
I'm sure they'll look to deal Rosen and what to get something in return for him. When you're purposely trying to lose games, playing Rosen has to be worse for his stock than playing him.
I would not be shocked if he went to NE  
UberAlias : 10/16/2019 3:38 pm : link
for next to nothing replaced Brady and was good.
Why did they even trade for hin to begin with?  
Blue Dream : 10/16/2019 3:51 pm : link
If they were going to tank keep your draft picks and ride Fitzy and whoever else for the year.
RE: they are starting him again this week  
Ben in Tampa : 10/16/2019 4:23 pm : link
In comment 14631031 ron mexico said:
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this is just referring to the in game switch. Which they have done a few times already if I recall correctly

I don't think this says much about Rosen, that situation is a shit show.


Nope. They announced today that Fitzpatrick is now the starter.
RE: Why did they even trade for hin to begin with?  
UberAlias : 10/16/2019 6:30 pm : link
In comment 14631137 Blue Dream said:
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If they were going to tank keep your draft picks and ride Fitzy and whoever else for the year.
What tends to happen is that you are not always operating off a well conceived plan. There is misalignment in poorly run organizations. Coach, GM, owner. Everyone not all pulling in the the same direction.
At some point in his career, he'll get a shot with a decent team.  
Ira : 10/16/2019 6:35 pm : link
Then we'll finally know how good he is.
RE: It's actually..  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/16/2019 6:48 pm : link
In comment 14630878 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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even more damning that in a season where the Fins are going nowhere, they benched him.

If they had any plan for him in the future - any inkling he's the guy, they'd play him and let him have a learning curve.

They see what they have and still are sitting him.


This. I don't think they are getting anyone to trade for him either, maybe a late round pick. I get the move from them though, QB is the hardest part of the puzzle.
RE: At some point in his career, he'll get a shot with a decent team.  
Chris in Philly : 10/16/2019 6:51 pm : link
In comment 14631260 Ira said:
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Then we'll finally know how good he is.


Donít highly ranked QBs historically go to bad teams? Thatís why those teams are in a position to acquire those QBs.
No idea how Roseníe Career will  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/16/2019 7:30 pm : link
Go. But Miamiís OL is as bad or worse than any of the ones the Giants have had the last 5 years. Thereís not a QB in the NFL that can make that team any good. Not one
Is that photo of Rosen  
mrvax : 10/16/2019 9:27 pm : link
at the top of the thread a Photoshop job? If not, he looks sort of strange to me. Maybe he's cross eyed.
RE: At some point in his career, he'll get a shot with a decent team.  
MM_in_NYC : 10/16/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14631260 Ira said:
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Then we'll finally know how good he is.


agreed
RE: Is that photo of Rosen  
MM_in_NYC : 10/16/2019 9:34 pm : link
In comment 14631341 mrvax said:
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at the top of the thread a Photoshop job? If not, he looks sort of strange to me. Maybe he's cross eyed.


...not sure if joking. i hope so, but not sure.
RE: Rosen is a good player  
Gruber : 10/17/2019 5:17 am : link
In comment 14630853 Tuckrule said:
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Dolphins lead the league in drops. I saw the fins cowboys game and Rosen played very well. Heíll get a shot somewhere else and deserves one. A good spot for him would be tamp bay.


With his luck, he'll probably get signed by the Redskins.
Eli Plays Poorly for 3 Years...  
Jim in Tampa : 10/17/2019 8:42 am : link
And many posters claim that it's because of the Giants' poor OL.

Jones struggles at times while at Duke and BBI points to Jones's supporting cast as the real reason.

But when Rosen plays poorly behind two historically bad OLs BBI suggests that it's proof positive that Rosen sucks.

Now Rosen may indeed suck, but there's no denying that he's a young QB who has been put into two very tough situations.
Jim..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/17/2019 8:46 am : link
Rosen was drafted by a team in the Top 10. He's traded away not even a year later for much worse return.

The team that traded for him is in the middle of going nowhere and would rather lean on an ancient bearded wonder instead of Rosen.

Somebody is seeing things with the kid that has nothing to do with the OL - it has to do with the idea he might not be a viable QB.
RE: Jim..  
jcn56 : 10/17/2019 9:09 am : link
In comment 14631460 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Rosen was drafted by a team in the Top 10. He's traded away not even a year later for much worse return.

The team that traded for him is in the middle of going nowhere and would rather lean on an ancient bearded wonder instead of Rosen.

Somebody is seeing things with the kid that has nothing to do with the OL - it has to do with the idea he might not be a viable QB.


On another team I'd say this logic is dead on.

However - the Dolphins have given every indication that they're trying to lose. And if they're not trying, they're sure as hell as inept as humanly possible by accident. They just lost to the Redskins!

So, it's hard to make much out of their evaluation. Although it is the second time where Rosen has found himself in this position.
Can we agree that the move...  
bw in dc : 10/17/2019 9:14 am : link
by Keim to hire Kingsbury threw Rosenís Arizona stay into a tailspin?

Rosen was simply not the fit for Kingsburyís offense; and the Cards had a #1 pick that Kingsbury thought could solve for that.

Itís really bad timing.
As bad as Rosen seems  
pjcas18 : 10/17/2019 9:17 am : link
I'd feel a lot more confident if he was the backup QB over Alex Tanney.

Maybe it's based on nothing, but I feel like Rosen has potential, some upward mobility, and i feel like Tanney will always be a shitty QB.

It's rare to win with a backup QB in the NFL, but the Giants did it as well all know, the Saints are doing it now, the 49ers did it with Kaepernick.

if you have a contending team, the backup QB has a role, I don't feel confident with Tanney in it (not that the Giants are actual contenders today), but i feel like I'd have some more confidence with Rosen in that role.

And despite his struggles so far, from a talent standpoint I do think Rosen can be a starting QB in this league.
I think at this point the best argument you can make against Rosen  
jcn56 : 10/17/2019 9:18 am : link
in terms of what the NFL thinks of him is the fact that he was available in trade and really didn't fetch much in return for a guy drafted top 10. The two train wrecks didn't really matter for much.
Maybe you could see Arizona passing on him  
Chris684 : 10/17/2019 9:22 am : link
due to the circumstances and the Kingsbury/Murray connection.

But, does anyone believe Miami would say to themselves "Gee, Rosen looks like a franchise QB, but let's move ahead with the immense risk that is positioning for Tua and then hoping he's as good".

I don't. Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.

By the way, people can talk about the Dolphins tanking all they want but the NFL is funny, there's no guarantee they get the #1 pick. Cincy is winless and the Redskins and Falcons have 1 win apiece.

Not a good start for Rosen's career,  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/17/2019 10:53 am : link
to state the obvious.
Jones in that picture  
BigBluesman : 10/17/2019 3:22 pm : link
looks like a human version of the amiable family dog.
If BB doesn't take a flyer on Rosen I think it would be safe to say he  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/17/2019 3:42 pm : link
isn't good. Trading a midround pick for him would be the ultimate BB move.
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