ball at will. They should have won if not for a mind bogglingly dumb 2 point conversation attempt, it almost made it look like the Dolphins really are tanking on purpose, but that is at odds with benching Rosen to begin with.
If you've seen a Dolphins game you would understand why. Last week he played very poorly but the previous two he played well but his OL and receivers let him down.
Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.
Curious what he could do on a real team with real coaching. Would be interesting to see the Pats take a chance on him for example, what’s the downside?
they're obviously playing to lose. They're obviously trying to get at the QB class. Why not just play Rosen? Best case scenario, he plays a bit better and he's worth something in trade. Worst case scenario, you're losing anyway.
If you've seen a Dolphins game you would understand why. Last week he played very poorly but the previous two he played well but his OL and receivers let him down.
Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.
Agreed. Rosen has been in back to back wasteland situations.
And you can write the script on Fitz. Last week he did his usual "flash" moment. But he'll fold like a blanket in about 2-3 weeks because the league has the "How to Stop Fitz Manual" still in circulation. So it's just a matter of finding it and dusting it off...
Dolphins lead the league in drops. I saw the fins cowboys game and Rosen played very well. He’ll get a shot somewhere else and deserves one. A good spot for him would be tamp bay.
In comment 14630837 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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That’s why they want the first draft pick.
I think you’re right. I was a big fan of Rosen before the 2018 draft. And while he’s been in awful situations going back to college, the lack of interest throughout the league told me something. He’s probably not good. There was a stat I saw, that Rosen When Rosen has a clean pocket, which was around 60%, he was lowest among qualified passers.
ball at will. They should have won if not for a mind bogglingly dumb 2 point conversation attempt, it almost made it look like the Dolphins really are tanking on purpose, but that is at odds with benching Rosen to begin with.
Maybe they were expecting the version of Fitzy that throws 4 interceptions.
I was one of his most adamant supporters in the Draft at the 2 pick AND for a trade with the Cards due to low cost to acquire/salary ie low risk
Rosen has throws every once in awhile that are eye popping but there has been zero sense that he can marshall it all together and lead a franchise
Gettleman made the right call going Barkley passing on QB and then made the right call going Jones this year and passing on a low cost/low risk trade for Rosen
I was wrong.
Pretty damning move on what they think of Rosen . Â
Hopefully he catches on elsewhere makes you wonder if
he is NFL material time will tell but as we complain about
the Giants and its been pretty bad around here for some
time I feel DG has us going in the right direction .
I expect some misses in the draft and free agency .
But with Barkley and Jones we filled to key positions
jury still out on Jones but so far so good.
Dolphins are a dumpster fire right now so things could
be a whole lot worse .
I'm sure they'll look to deal Rosen and what to get something in return for him. When you're purposely trying to lose games, playing Rosen has to be worse for his stock than playing him.
If they were going to tank keep your draft picks and ride Fitzy and whoever else for the year.
What tends to happen is that you are not always operating off a well conceived plan. There is misalignment in poorly run organizations. Coach, GM, owner. Everyone not all pulling in the the same direction.
At some point in his career, he'll get a shot with a decent team. Â
even more damning that in a season where the Fins are going nowhere, they benched him.
If they had any plan for him in the future - any inkling he's the guy, they'd play him and let him have a learning curve.
They see what they have and still are sitting him.
This. I don't think they are getting anyone to trade for him either, maybe a late round pick. I get the move from them though, QB is the hardest part of the puzzle.
RE: At some point in his career, he'll get a shot with a decent team. Â
Go. But Miami’s OL is as bad or worse than any of the ones the Giants have had the last 5 years. There’s not a QB in the NFL that can make that team any good. Not one
Dolphins lead the league in drops. I saw the fins cowboys game and Rosen played very well. He’ll get a shot somewhere else and deserves one. A good spot for him would be tamp bay.
With his luck, he'll probably get signed by the Redskins.
Rosen was drafted by a team in the Top 10. He's traded away not even a year later for much worse return.
The team that traded for him is in the middle of going nowhere and would rather lean on an ancient bearded wonder instead of Rosen.
Somebody is seeing things with the kid that has nothing to do with the OL - it has to do with the idea he might not be a viable QB.
On another team I'd say this logic is dead on.
However - the Dolphins have given every indication that they're trying to lose. And if they're not trying, they're sure as hell as inept as humanly possible by accident. They just lost to the Redskins!
So, it's hard to make much out of their evaluation. Although it is the second time where Rosen has found himself in this position.
I'd feel a lot more confident if he was the backup QB over Alex Tanney.
Maybe it's based on nothing, but I feel like Rosen has potential, some upward mobility, and i feel like Tanney will always be a shitty QB.
It's rare to win with a backup QB in the NFL, but the Giants did it as well all know, the Saints are doing it now, the 49ers did it with Kaepernick.
if you have a contending team, the backup QB has a role, I don't feel confident with Tanney in it (not that the Giants are actual contenders today), but i feel like I'd have some more confidence with Rosen in that role.
And despite his struggles so far, from a talent standpoint I do think Rosen can be a starting QB in this league.
I think at this point the best argument you can make against Rosen Â
in terms of what the NFL thinks of him is the fact that he was available in trade and really didn't fetch much in return for a guy drafted top 10. The two train wrecks didn't really matter for much.
due to the circumstances and the Kingsbury/Murray connection.
But, does anyone believe Miami would say to themselves "Gee, Rosen looks like a franchise QB, but let's move ahead with the immense risk that is positioning for Tua and then hoping he's as good".
I don't. Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
By the way, people can talk about the Dolphins tanking all they want but the NFL is funny, there's no guarantee they get the #1 pick. Cincy is winless and the Redskins and Falcons have 1 win apiece.
Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.
Their offensive line makes the Giants 2018-2018 offensive lines look like all-pro's. Their starting LT is J'Marcus Webb, their RT is former undrafted guard Jesse Davis. Their starting RG is an UDFA rookie. None of those players have starting roles because they earned it. They won it by default. There is no chance for a QB to succeed there.
Agreed. Rosen has been in back to back wasteland situations.
And you can write the script on Fitz. Last week he did his usual "flash" moment. But he'll fold like a blanket in about 2-3 weeks because the league has the "How to Stop Fitz Manual" still in circulation. So it's just a matter of finding it and dusting it off...
I think you’re right. I was a big fan of Rosen before the 2018 draft. And while he’s been in awful situations going back to college, the lack of interest throughout the league told me something. He’s probably not good. There was a stat I saw, that Rosen When Rosen has a clean pocket, which was around 60%, he was lowest among qualified passers.
If they had any plan for him in the future - any inkling he's the guy, they'd play him and let him have a learning curve.
They see what they have and still are sitting him.
😂😂
Best thing we ever did was avoid Rosen.
Maybe they were expecting the version of Fitzy that throws 4 interceptions.
I guess thats why Miami is in this position to begin with.
Rosen has throws every once in awhile that are eye popping but there has been zero sense that he can marshall it all together and lead a franchise
Gettleman made the right call going Barkley passing on QB and then made the right call going Jones this year and passing on a low cost/low risk trade for Rosen
I was wrong.
he is NFL material time will tell but as we complain about
the Giants and its been pretty bad around here for some
time I feel DG has us going in the right direction .
I expect some misses in the draft and free agency .
But with Barkley and Jones we filled to key positions
jury still out on Jones but so far so good.
Dolphins are a dumpster fire right now so things could
be a whole lot worse .
I don't think this says much about Rosen, that situation is a shit show.
And then the next year the same voices saying we needed to trade for him. Maybe he's just not that good...
Truth!
I don't think this says much about Rosen, that situation is a shit show.
Nope. They announced today that Fitzpatrick is now the starter.
If they had any plan for him in the future - any inkling he's the guy, they'd play him and let him have a learning curve.
They see what they have and still are sitting him.
This. I don't think they are getting anyone to trade for him either, maybe a late round pick. I get the move from them though, QB is the hardest part of the puzzle.
Don’t highly ranked QBs historically go to bad teams? That’s why those teams are in a position to acquire those QBs.
agreed
...not sure if joking. i hope so, but not sure.
With his luck, he'll probably get signed by the Redskins.
Jones struggles at times while at Duke and BBI points to Jones's supporting cast as the real reason.
But when Rosen plays poorly behind two historically bad OLs BBI suggests that it's proof positive that Rosen sucks.
Now Rosen may indeed suck, but there's no denying that he's a young QB who has been put into two very tough situations.
The team that traded for him is in the middle of going nowhere and would rather lean on an ancient bearded wonder instead of Rosen.
Somebody is seeing things with the kid that has nothing to do with the OL - it has to do with the idea he might not be a viable QB.
The team that traded for him is in the middle of going nowhere and would rather lean on an ancient bearded wonder instead of Rosen.
Somebody is seeing things with the kid that has nothing to do with the OL - it has to do with the idea he might not be a viable QB.
On another team I'd say this logic is dead on.
However - the Dolphins have given every indication that they're trying to lose. And if they're not trying, they're sure as hell as inept as humanly possible by accident. They just lost to the Redskins!
So, it's hard to make much out of their evaluation. Although it is the second time where Rosen has found himself in this position.
Rosen was simply not the fit for Kingsbury’s offense; and the Cards had a #1 pick that Kingsbury thought could solve for that.
It’s really bad timing.
Maybe it's based on nothing, but I feel like Rosen has potential, some upward mobility, and i feel like Tanney will always be a shitty QB.
It's rare to win with a backup QB in the NFL, but the Giants did it as well all know, the Saints are doing it now, the 49ers did it with Kaepernick.
if you have a contending team, the backup QB has a role, I don't feel confident with Tanney in it (not that the Giants are actual contenders today), but i feel like I'd have some more confidence with Rosen in that role.
And despite his struggles so far, from a talent standpoint I do think Rosen can be a starting QB in this league.
But, does anyone believe Miami would say to themselves "Gee, Rosen looks like a franchise QB, but let's move ahead with the immense risk that is positioning for Tua and then hoping he's as good".
I don't. Bird in hand is worth 2 in the bush.
By the way, people can talk about the Dolphins tanking all they want but the NFL is funny, there's no guarantee they get the #1 pick. Cincy is winless and the Redskins and Falcons have 1 win apiece.