On the surface, it is obviously easy to say you would rather be the Rams right now. Great young coach, great young talent in Donald, a near championship last year and probably a playoff run this.
But if you had to choose one scenario/team over the other, gun to head, say over the next 5-7 years, where would you place your bets? Obviously taking out of this hypothetical exercise our very heavy Giants allegiance.
On coaching, I'd obviously give the edge to the Rams, by a lot. Sean McVay is the real deal. As for Shurmur, the jury is very much still out at the Head Coach level. Coordinator, definitely a talent.
Superstars; they have Gurley (always hurt) and Aaron Donald; who is a bonafide top 3-5 player. We have Saquon, who too has to shake off the injury bug, but equally is at the top echelon in terms of future talent.
They have a young QB in Goff, we have promise with a young QB in Jones.
The main difference? They literally have no first round picks for 5 years! Five! For them, the chips are all pushed into the middle of the table. If they don't win this year or next, they are in deep trouble. Has there ever been a team with no first round picks for that time span? I say no, by a mile, without any data to back it.
The Giants on the other hand, quietly seem to be accumulating more and more picks, succeeding in drafting at all levels. Something that has been a real differentiating factor between Getty and Reese. Which I love given his ability to package picks, move up to mid rounds and grab guys like Connelly and Slayton.
Overall, though, what have you? Right now, if the Rams team with all the peripheral draft ramifications can be in Blue, would you take it over what we have and where we are going via our building process?
Little exercise in short termism versus long termism. Neither answer as wrong, as going for a championship right now is not a bad look. Just curious.
Other than that I'd love to be them. They have tons of talent, and are making a big push to win this year. They also have a coach who's a lot better than ours. I would sign up for that.
Next 5+ years? Giants
But a lot can change in 5 years, especially in the NFL.
Next 5+ years? Giants
But a lot can change in 5 years, especially in the NFL.
From my seat, while it would be great to make a run this year, damn....I would be scared sh+tless of the thought of not only no first rounders for 5 years, but if they are relatively good, second rounders that are closer to low thirds. That is a scary proposition.
As for your question, I would hands down take the Rams. Regardless of 1st round picks, they will be contenders for at least the next 3 seasons, if not longer.
The only worry is Gurley, but if they can draft well on the o-line, he won't be as necessary. That D is going to be a monster for a while as well.
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Next 2-3 years? Rams
Next 5+ years? Giants
But a lot can change in 5 years, especially in the NFL.
From my seat, while it would be great to make a run this year, damn....I would be scared sh+tless of the thought of not only no first rounders for 5 years, but if they are relatively good, second rounders that are closer to low thirds. That is a scary proposition.
Again, for the long term I absolutely agree. Their depth is going to be destroyed and then they'll crash hard. But they're going for it all over the next 2-3 years (if they can even stretch their window that much), which may not be a bad idea given Gurley's knees and Donald entering his prime. Not to mention that few teams outside of Brady/BB have really had sustained success over a 5+ year window.
Sooooo is he the only player on either roster? That's your earth shattering analysis of the OP's question?
You sir never disappoint.
Scary stuff. Takes a set to make that move, and if they get a ring, than nothing else matters. But if they stumble this year or next, could be a long road back.
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And will be a non-factor going forward.
Sooooo is he the only player on either roster? That's your earth shattering analysis of the OP's question?
You sir never disappoint.
For Stan that was actually pretty well thought out.
I also never thought Goff had a huge upside, seems like he's peaked. And his IQ is in question. I'd rather have Jones at this point. He's not as good right now but the upside is higher IMO
I also never thought Goff had a huge upside, seems like he's peaked. And his IQ is in question. I'd rather have Jones at this point. He's not as good right now but the upside is higher IMO
Coaching is such a huge part of this game. In football, I will always take the coach.
But please do not forget what this team did in 2018 and 2017. LAR will be fine
As much of a non-factor as Tiger Woods in a major?
But please do not forget what this team did in 2018 and 2017. LAR will be fine
I agree, but you don't trade 5 first rounders for fine. Hence the hypothetical here. It's all or nothing, when you put that many chips in the middle.
We live in a world of short termism. Stock markets, social media, communications. Sports has become similar. Look at the NBA. Lord, does anyone build for long term success?
I'm not knocking the Rams at all. It's a gutsy move that could pay off. Kudos to them if it does. But if they just end up a playoff team the next few years, they are in for hard times thereafter.
But please do not forget what this team did in 2018 and 2017. LAR will be fine
I don’t know man, it’s looking rough even for a WC at this point.
The biggest factors in this equation are Goff and McVay and the latter is reason enough for me to pick the Rams.
McVay is an excellent coach but he seems to be having difficulty adjusting to the way teams have countered the outside zone and an OL that has regressed FAST from a top unit to one of the league's spotiest. How are they going to fix that? They need to because Goff won't be able to perform otherwise. With some bad injury luck next year, I could very easily see them being the surprise team that is trending towards a Top 5 pick (for Jax). Like the 2017 Giants - a team with big names and nothing else behind them.
Rams biggest mistake was extending Goff when they did not have to, but QB is a logical place to invest cap dollars. How are they going to keep Gurley, Cooks and Donald when all the other players on the team want to get paid too? Kupp and Ramsey will not be cheap extensions.
I don't like most of the contracts DG has offered to FAs like Ogletree who are JAGs, but he seems to be able to draft guys that can play relatively quickly. DG will need to figure out how to extend Engram, Barkley, Hernandez and Jones over next 3 years but I think it can be managed once the crap contracts have cleared the books. Finding play-makers on Defense will be a priority this off-season.
Nothing is permanent in the NFL for better or worse.
If you're in that window, you take the risks and get it done. Worst case is you have another rebuild on your hand. But if you're in the game of trying to win a Lombardi, it's not a big deal.
The Harbaugh Niners in retrospect could have used an all out offseason probably after they lost that Super Bowl. If they did that, that probably would have been enough to have gotten the chip. 3 consecutive NFCs shows they were right there.
That offseason of 2015 is something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy, all your best players retiring or departing in free agency. Worst part was that there was nothing to show for it.
So until you've got the Belichick system figured out, it should be an option for any team with decent playoff success.
a) Is McVay struggling here?
b) Is McVay dumbing down his offense for Goff?
Could be a bit of both, but I imagine one of the two is the issue here.
Often when OCs get the blame for the offense, it might just be them protecting their QB (Kaepernick comes to mind, RG3, and even Wilson for a few years too).
Goff may not be the truth from a clutch QB standpoint, but I don't think he's as bad as anyone says he is.
McVay may understand offense a lot better than Fisher, but I think his style of offense lacks the diversity needed to carry a young QB.
We'll see what happens going forward. Already there's been 4 or 5 bad games for that team offensively.
um what?
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but they're still a much better coached and better run team than the Giants are. Not close.
um what?
I didn't think that was a controversial statement. The Rams are coming off two playoff appearances and a Super Bowl appearance. They won 24 games the last two years; the Giants won 8. Not in the same ballpark.
However, one thing they have in common is the high draft investment in a QB and RB. Both Goff and Gurley were high draft picks, and the Rams paid them. Both contracts now look like horrendous mistakes, and should be foremost in our minds when it comes time for the Giants to make decisions on Jones and Barkley.
12th in yards and 24th in points. And let’s not pretend he has any input there so even if you want to blame Phillips I bet the Giants D would be a a lot better w Phillips than Betcher.
Think the Rams window is closing fast. And the McVay genius label might sane as well if Gurley is as cooked as he seems
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but they're still a much better coached and better run team than the Giants are. Not close.
um what?
The Rams have notoriously bungled their first round draft choices from trades and now have 5 years without them and they’re a better run organization than the giants ....The Rams don’t even come close to the organizational structure of the Giants with all due respect I highly disagree