I would be very concerned about taking him especially if I were Miami. He is playing with two potential top 10 WR's, and their 3rd WR will more than likely go in the top 3 rounds. Then factor in the talent they had at RB, the OL, and defense and you have a team that is far more talented than their opponents every week.
How is Tua going to perform behind a poor OL without a stud WR? I am not doubting his talent I would just have some serious concerns if I were Miami. I certainly wouldn't put him on the field until they fix that offensive line that needs at least 4 new starters.
of the crap Bama has trotted out there in recent years. Only seen Herbert a couple times, but I like the improvement I saw from him from last year to this year. Eason has a ton of tools that NFL teams love. Those are my 1 and 2 right now. Fromm is so blah and Tua is surrounded by a ton of talent and seems like he'll be a walking injury in the NFL.
I'd be more concerned with Tua's staying on the field than his actual ability. I wouldn't argue with Burrow over him right now, though.
Tua is tough to evaluate... a lot of TD's come on relatively short routes to Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith or Waddle that get taken to the house. I haven't even looked, but I'm pretty sure most of the Bama WR's have big YAC numbers. Every week I watch guys get the ball in space and outrun the defense. He's also had great RB talent behind him.
What's really surprised me is how good Hurts has been in Oklahoma. He's not facing great defenses in the Big 12... but he's impressed me. I certainly didn't see this from him when he was with the Tide.
But.. he's another guy getting Heisman buzz. When he was in Tuscaloosa, Tua was outplaying him as far back as the Crimson/White game before the last championship season and without Tua, Bama probably doesn't beat Georgia in that game.
Eason is growing leaps and bounds. Like Burrow too, but not sure the ceiling is there while the floor looks high. Tua gets a huge boost from the parts around him at Bama. He often starts to nosedive when adversity hits too.
Still trash to me. I haven’t seen any improvement from him in particular from last year to this, I wouldn’t draft him first. Tua I’m not sold in because he’s in the same situation Haskins was with tools galore. Eason could be a good get. Fromm reminds me of Sanchez too much. I like Joey B from LSU, has similar style to Danny Dimes.
Still trash to me. I haven’t seen any improvement from him in particular from last year to this, I wouldn’t draft him first. Tua I’m not sold in because he’s in the same situation Haskins was with tools galore. Eason could be a good get. Fromm reminds me of Sanchez too much. I like Joey B from LSU, has similar style to Danny Dimes.
Herbert completed 59% of his passes last year. This year he's up to 69%.
No improvement?
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That I don’t see as much. I’d like to see Eason get up there, but you really think his play on the field merits that kind of consideration? Or is it because of his arm strength?
Still trash to me. I haven’t seen any improvement from him in particular from last year to this, I wouldn’t draft him first. Tua I’m not sold in because he’s in the same situation Haskins was with tools galore. Eason could be a good get. Fromm reminds me of Sanchez too much. I like Joey B from LSU, has similar style to Danny Dimes.
Herbert completed 59% of his passes last year. This year he's up to 69%.
No improvement?
You cannot just use stats and say "improvement". It's like saying a pitcher pitched well simply because he got a win. If a pitcher goes five innings, gives up 10 earned runs, but gets the win, did he pitch well?
And this is coming from a guy who like Herbert. Herbert is the one guy in this draft with "Mahomes" like ability; he can make all the throws, and he is athletic. However, Herbert is very robotic in his movements, and despite being surrounded by better parts this season, his coach refuses to implement a more pro-style offense. And, from time to time (more often than you want to see), Herbert just air-mails what should be a simple throw. I still think Herbert has the potential and ability to be an NFL Superstar.
You cannot just use stats and say "improvement". It's like saying a pitcher pitched well simply because he got a win. If a pitcher goes five innings, gives up 10 earned runs, but gets the win, did he pitch well?
And this is coming from a guy who like Herbert. Herbert is the one guy in this draft with "Mahomes" like ability; he can make all the throws, and he is athletic. However, Herbert is very robotic in his movements, and despite being surrounded by better parts this season, his coach refuses to implement a more pro-style offense. And, from time to time (more often than you want to see), Herbert just air-mails what should be a simple throw. I still think Herbert has the potential and ability to be an NFL Superstar.
Stats have some meaning. Everything is better from last year for Hebert - completion %, YPA, TD/INT ratio, rating, etc. Those have some relationship to a pitcher's ERA and WhiP.
Look, I was down on Herbert last year when everyone was ga-ga over him. He got progressively worse as the year wore on and his confidence was shot. So I thought he did the right thing sticking around Eugene one more year.
But I have to be fair here. He's righted the ship and seems in a much better place. Does he still have fat in his game that needs to be trimmed? Of course. But not saying there isn't any improvement YoY is strange to me...
For what its worth, PFF has us taking DT Derick Brown from Auburn Â
He has every physical tool - his build and arm strength are all you could possibly want. I've also been impressed by a lot of the throws he has made this year, and his stats have been adversely affected by subpar receiver play. For a few different reasons, Washington's receiver corps has been a big letdown the last two years.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
Are system guys. Like Murray IMO athletes first. QBs 2nd. Doesn’t mean they can’t grow but the hysteria out of the Miami people for Tua and many others is pure ignorance.
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He has every physical tool - his build and arm strength are all you could possibly want. I've also been impressed by a lot of the throws he has made this year, and his stats have been adversely affected by subpar receiver play. For a few different reasons, Washington's receiver corps has been a big letdown the last two years.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
Good stuff odunde. I missed the Stanford game. What the hell happened?
Are system guys. Like Murray IMO athletes first. QBs 2nd. Doesn’t mean they can’t grow but the hysteria out of the Miami people for Tua and many others is pure ignorance.
What makes you say the Dolphins are in love with Tua? I'm not saying they aren't but that seems media driven. Tua can throw the rock impressively, but the huge concern is when he plays a team at Bama's level his play drops off the face of the earth and durability.
before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Are system guys. Like Murray IMO athletes first. QBs 2nd.
That Tua take is ridiculous. What's the comparison between Murray and Tua? Tua is a pocket passer, and a very good one. If you want to be critical, it's that he got to play on absolutely stacked rosters. And so has Trevor Lawrence, who nobody calls a "system guy".
before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Saban has won 5 championships at Bama. Four without Tua. And in all likelihood, they should have five...but that's a different debate.
So what "situation" are you talking about? Saban isn't looking to develop pro QBs. He's looking to win SEC division titles, SEC titles, and NCAA titles. I think he's demonstrated their isn't a QB "situation"...
RE: RE: As a huge Huskies fan, I'll chime in on Eason Â
He has every physical tool - his build and arm strength are all you could possibly want. I've also been impressed by a lot of the throws he has made this year, and his stats have been adversely affected by subpar receiver play. For a few different reasons, Washington's receiver corps has been a big letdown the last two years.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
Good stuff odunde. I missed the Stanford game. What the hell happened?
several big drops by receivers, combined with just getting physically manhandled on both sides of the line of scrimmage. They got punched in the face and never got fully into the game.
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before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Saban has won 5 championships at Bama. Four without Tua. And in all likelihood, they should have five...but that's a different debate.
So what "situation" are you talking about? Saban isn't looking to develop pro QBs. He's looking to win SEC division titles, SEC titles, and NCAA titles. I think he's demonstrated their isn't a QB "situation"...
The situation was having a bunch of game managers, whom have barely sniffed NFL rosters. It worked because all they had to do was lean on their running game and defense, and occasionally throw the ball to their all-world receivers.
I’m not even sure what you are debating here? This isn’t about Satan, or how many championships he’s won, it’s about what they have at that position, and I don’t think just anyone could just replicate what Tua is doing.
about Tua's game that clearly projects him as special in the NFL. The projection is the key and the hardest part. I suspect when they get him trying to throw into tighter windows it's going to be less than impressive. Also suspect his athleticism is ordinary in terms of NFL quality, which limits his effectiveness running the football. He hasn't played well when dinged, and he will be dinged in the NFL.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
It's true that Bama won with suboptimal QB play before Tua several times in the Saban era, but those were much more traditional Bama teams that ran the football and played tough defense.
The 2019 Alabama team is completely different than almost all of the teams I've watched in the past (well, pre-Tua)
Tua is far, far better than any QB I've ever watched there. Hurts is the only one who is close - and credit to Jalen, he really took off with the Sooners and is in a great spot.
Guys like Coker, McElroy, JPW... even McCarron... none of them are remotely close to Tua. The amount of big plays the Bama offense makes in the pass game in one week now is about what you'd need a half season to compile in past years.
And yes, a lot of that also has to do with the riches @ WR with Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith and Waddle. It's almost not even fair with that group. One of them goes off every week.
That said... I think the pendulum is starting to swing too far in the other direction on Tua. He was probably a little overhyped after leading the team to a title in the 2nd half against Georgia and what he did for a lot of last year... but now, I think people are being too hard on him and it's starting to turn into him not being a good NFL prospect. I don't agree with that.
I don't expect him to be the top guy come next April, but I do expect him to be one of the first QB's off the board and absolutely think he can succeed in the NFL. Health is a concern for sure. So that's first and foremost. But, he's not just a passenger in that offense.
about Tua's game that clearly projects him as special in the NFL. The projection is the key and the hardest part. I suspect when they get him trying to throw into tighter windows it's going to be less than impressive. Also suspect his athleticism is ordinary in terms of NFL quality, which limits his effectiveness running the football. He hasn't played well when dinged, and he will be dinged in the NFL.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
I think that because of his size, and like you mentioned, average mobility, it may knock him down a peg until teams see him in the offseason, but it's not exactly like he's got Matt Leinart's arm either. He throws the ball down the field with regularity, and he's often ridiculously accurate when he does so.
If Baker Mayfield can be the first player taken, I don't see why teams would shy away from Tua.
about Tua's game that clearly projects him as special in the NFL. The projection is the key and the hardest part. I suspect when they get him trying to throw into tighter windows it's going to be less than impressive. Also suspect his athleticism is ordinary in terms of NFL quality, which limits his effectiveness running the football. He hasn't played well when dinged, and he will be dinged in the NFL.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
I think that because of his size, and like you mentioned, average mobility, it may knock him down a peg until teams see him in the offseason, but it's not exactly like he's got Matt Leinart's arm either. He throws the ball down the field with regularity, and he's often ridiculously accurate when he does so.
If Baker Mayfield can be the first player taken, I don't see why teams would shy away from Tua.
There might be teams that prefer his college production over the more prototypical profile of Herbert or even Eason. I'm in the camp he won't be a special NFL QB, I don't see "it".
a kid to keep an eye on is Cole McDonald of Hawaii. Not sure if he is draft eligible or not this year though. Kid has size and arm strength. Reminds me a lot of Josh Allen in Buffalo
LSU Bama is going to be fun in a couple of weeks. I don't think we're going to see a 9-6 final like we once did.
I agree. I think we're looking at a game in the 30s. I don't think either team rushes the passer exceptionally well, and there are some question marks on the back end.
There is going to be some serious receiving talent in that game.
Bama gets all the hype with their guys, and rightfully so, but LSU is loaded too with Chase, Jefferson, and Marshall. And I like LSU's TE Moss...
Way too much. I like the kid but I don't think he is my QB in the NFL.
I would be very concerned about taking him especially if I were Miami. He is playing with two potential top 10 WR's, and their 3rd WR will more than likely go in the top 3 rounds. Then factor in the talent they had at RB, the OL, and defense and you have a team that is far more talented than their opponents every week.
How is Tua going to perform behind a poor OL without a stud WR? I am not doubting his talent I would just have some serious concerns if I were Miami. I certainly wouldn't put him on the field until they fix that offensive line that needs at least 4 new starters.
Bwahahaha!
Tua is tough to evaluate... a lot of TD's come on relatively short routes to Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith or Waddle that get taken to the house. I haven't even looked, but I'm pretty sure most of the Bama WR's have big YAC numbers. Every week I watch guys get the ball in space and outrun the defense. He's also had great RB talent behind him.
What's really surprised me is how good Hurts has been in Oklahoma. He's not facing great defenses in the Big 12... but he's impressed me. I certainly didn't see this from him when he was with the Tide.
But.. he's another guy getting Heisman buzz. When he was in Tuscaloosa, Tua was outplaying him as far back as the Crimson/White game before the last championship season and without Tua, Bama probably doesn't beat Georgia in that game.
He has all the tools and Georgia runs a lot of RPO offence that should give him a heads up when he reaches the NFL level.
His one downside IMO is that his throwing touch still needs work.
Glad the Giants aren’t in the mix this year and I hope Jones keeps us out of these conversations for the next decade plus.
Me and a few other were touting Eason as the guy to watch in 2019. Wasn't great against Stanford...but that happens.
Where are you with Jordan Love? Did the LSU game bother you?
Herbert completed 59% of his passes last year. This year he's up to 69%.
No improvement?
That I don’t see as much. I’d like to see Eason get up there, but you really think his play on the field merits that kind of consideration? Or is it because of his arm strength?
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Still trash to me. I haven’t seen any improvement from him in particular from last year to this, I wouldn’t draft him first. Tua I’m not sold in because he’s in the same situation Haskins was with tools galore. Eason could be a good get. Fromm reminds me of Sanchez too much. I like Joey B from LSU, has similar style to Danny Dimes.
Herbert completed 59% of his passes last year. This year he's up to 69%.
No improvement?
You cannot just use stats and say "improvement". It's like saying a pitcher pitched well simply because he got a win. If a pitcher goes five innings, gives up 10 earned runs, but gets the win, did he pitch well?
And this is coming from a guy who like Herbert. Herbert is the one guy in this draft with "Mahomes" like ability; he can make all the throws, and he is athletic. However, Herbert is very robotic in his movements, and despite being surrounded by better parts this season, his coach refuses to implement a more pro-style offense. And, from time to time (more often than you want to see), Herbert just air-mails what should be a simple throw. I still think Herbert has the potential and ability to be an NFL Superstar.
I just don't see it with Eason. Burrow intrigues me, though.
Sy. Your thoughts on Hurts?
You cannot just use stats and say "improvement". It's like saying a pitcher pitched well simply because he got a win. If a pitcher goes five innings, gives up 10 earned runs, but gets the win, did he pitch well?
And this is coming from a guy who like Herbert. Herbert is the one guy in this draft with "Mahomes" like ability; he can make all the throws, and he is athletic. However, Herbert is very robotic in his movements, and despite being surrounded by better parts this season, his coach refuses to implement a more pro-style offense. And, from time to time (more often than you want to see), Herbert just air-mails what should be a simple throw. I still think Herbert has the potential and ability to be an NFL Superstar.
Stats have some meaning. Everything is better from last year for Hebert - completion %, YPA, TD/INT ratio, rating, etc. Those have some relationship to a pitcher's ERA and WhiP.
Look, I was down on Herbert last year when everyone was ga-ga over him. He got progressively worse as the year wore on and his confidence was shot. So I thought he did the right thing sticking around Eugene one more year.
But I have to be fair here. He's righted the ship and seems in a much better place. Does he still have fat in his game that needs to be trimmed? Of course. But not saying there isn't any improvement YoY is strange to me...
I think it would work
With the top tackles gone. Despite, Simmons, ir Ryggs would be better
If that's how the draft fell I would rather see the Giants take Henry Ruggs III or Grant Delpit there.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
Good stuff odunde. I missed the Stanford game. What the hell happened?
What makes you say the Dolphins are in love with Tua? I'm not saying they aren't but that seems media driven. Tua can throw the rock impressively, but the huge concern is when he plays a team at Bama's level his play drops off the face of the earth and durability.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
That Tua take is ridiculous. What's the comparison between Murray and Tua? Tua is a pocket passer, and a very good one. If you want to be critical, it's that he got to play on absolutely stacked rosters. And so has Trevor Lawrence, who nobody calls a "system guy".
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Agree, he can do it all
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
I completely agree
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Saban has won 5 championships at Bama. Four without Tua. And in all likelihood, they should have five...but that's a different debate.
So what "situation" are you talking about? Saban isn't looking to develop pro QBs. He's looking to win SEC division titles, SEC titles, and NCAA titles. I think he's demonstrated their isn't a QB "situation"...
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He has every physical tool - his build and arm strength are all you could possibly want. I've also been impressed by a lot of the throws he has made this year, and his stats have been adversely affected by subpar receiver play. For a few different reasons, Washington's receiver corps has been a big letdown the last two years.
The concerns I have with Eason are 1) touch - he seems to fire the ball full speed no matter the throw and 2) pocket presence - he has this weird tendency to spin around out of pressure, only to lose more yardage, take his eyes off his receivers, and find himself sacked nonetheless.
Good stuff odunde. I missed the Stanford game. What the hell happened?
several big drops by receivers, combined with just getting physically manhandled on both sides of the line of scrimmage. They got punched in the face and never got fully into the game.
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before Tua? My goodness, some really tough critics here. The guy is a winner, he throws a beautiful ball with great anticipation, and he's got a strong arm.
People want to knock him, because as a true sophomore, he had one bad game against a really great defense.
You can maybe sight concern over his size, maybe durability, but anything else, is just silly nonsense.
Saban has won 5 championships at Bama. Four without Tua. And in all likelihood, they should have five...but that's a different debate.
So what "situation" are you talking about? Saban isn't looking to develop pro QBs. He's looking to win SEC division titles, SEC titles, and NCAA titles. I think he's demonstrated their isn't a QB "situation"...
The situation was having a bunch of game managers, whom have barely sniffed NFL rosters. It worked because all they had to do was lean on their running game and defense, and occasionally throw the ball to their all-world receivers.
I’m not even sure what you are debating here? This isn’t about Satan, or how many championships he’s won, it’s about what they have at that position, and I don’t think just anyone could just replicate what Tua is doing.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
The 2019 Alabama team is completely different than almost all of the teams I've watched in the past (well, pre-Tua)
Tua is far, far better than any QB I've ever watched there. Hurts is the only one who is close - and credit to Jalen, he really took off with the Sooners and is in a great spot.
Guys like Coker, McElroy, JPW... even McCarron... none of them are remotely close to Tua. The amount of big plays the Bama offense makes in the pass game in one week now is about what you'd need a half season to compile in past years.
And yes, a lot of that also has to do with the riches @ WR with Jeudy, Ruggs, Smith and Waddle. It's almost not even fair with that group. One of them goes off every week.
That said... I think the pendulum is starting to swing too far in the other direction on Tua. He was probably a little overhyped after leading the team to a title in the 2nd half against Georgia and what he did for a lot of last year... but now, I think people are being too hard on him and it's starting to turn into him not being a good NFL prospect. I don't agree with that.
I don't expect him to be the top guy come next April, but I do expect him to be one of the first QB's off the board and absolutely think he can succeed in the NFL. Health is a concern for sure. So that's first and foremost. But, he's not just a passenger in that offense.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
I think that because of his size, and like you mentioned, average mobility, it may knock him down a peg until teams see him in the offseason, but it's not exactly like he's got Matt Leinart's arm either. He throws the ball down the field with regularity, and he's often ridiculously accurate when he does so.
If Baker Mayfield can be the first player taken, I don't see why teams would shy away from Tua.
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about Tua's game that clearly projects him as special in the NFL. The projection is the key and the hardest part. I suspect when they get him trying to throw into tighter windows it's going to be less than impressive. Also suspect his athleticism is ordinary in terms of NFL quality, which limits his effectiveness running the football. He hasn't played well when dinged, and he will be dinged in the NFL.
It's not uncommon to look better than you actually are when playing for a dominant program like Bama.
I think that because of his size, and like you mentioned, average mobility, it may knock him down a peg until teams see him in the offseason, but it's not exactly like he's got Matt Leinart's arm either. He throws the ball down the field with regularity, and he's often ridiculously accurate when he does so.
If Baker Mayfield can be the first player taken, I don't see why teams would shy away from Tua.
There might be teams that prefer his college production over the more prototypical profile of Herbert or even Eason. I'm in the camp he won't be a special NFL QB, I don't see "it".
I agree. I think we're looking at a game in the 30s. I don't think either team rushes the passer exceptionally well, and there are some question marks on the back end.
There is going to be some serious receiving talent in that game.
Bama gets all the hype with their guys, and rightfully so, but LSU is loaded too with Chase, Jefferson, and Marshall. And I like LSU's TE Moss...
I'm seeing a lot of this theme. Now I have to make watching Husky football "must see TV"... ;)