Hawks: 100
Knicks: 96
Once again, I watch a Knicks game in hopes I see good ball movement, crisp passes, guys cutting, finding the open man. Our offense has no desire to find the advantage. Instead, Knicks and Fizdale seem content on leaning back onto the bad habit of ISO-ball bailing us out.
The defense was actually not that bad this game.
Couple Notes
David Fizdale: Worst starting lineup we could have possibly did tonight. Portis, Randle and Morris as our starting front court should never see another minute again this season. Still questionable X's and O's coach. Another night giving RJ another 40 minute game in preseason. Much like Knox last year, expect him to run RJ into the ground by January.
Frank Ntilikina: 1-4 2 Points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists. You'd almost have to be a basketball purist to appreciate what he does defensively. He ate Trae Youngs lunch quite a few times, altering his shot with his length, forcing him to pass out of a few easy buckets he was hitting earlier, adding a couple nice blocks to his night. He is an average defender with the ability to show glimpses of above average defending. I think right now he's at his floor. Offensively, he's still a complete black hole if you're looking for points. He moves the ball nice and tries to set someone up with a shot. Unfortunately, he plays in an offense that doesn't suit his style. He's not ISO Frank. He should be the starting PG. IMO
Dennis Smith JR:First game back after sitting out previously with a lower back injury. First observation? He's rusty. Picked up two quick fouls in the opening minutest that sent him to the bench. Not a great shooting night for him either. 1-5 for 4 points.
Julius Randle: So far his best night as a Knick. Aside from two step back jumpers (Yes, two..wtf), he finished with 20 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks. His defense is still not worth talking about.
RJ Barrett: 4-14, 12 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and a block. It's going to be an up and down year in regards with his game to game efficiency. If Fizdale can tap into his inner-coaching and somehow teach RJ to reign it in a bit on nights he isn't feeling it, then he could be special this year. He's a plus playmaker, can bully his way into the paint, and actually finish. He did miss quite a few easy layups though. I'm chalking that up to youth. The flashes are there. You can see it. Even had a nice game defensively.
Kevin Knox: He looks like he's ready to be the first of our young guys to make the big jump this year. He looks much more fluid and confident. He moves the ball well, and stretches the floor. His shot looks good. He should be getting more minutes per game this season.
Last thoughts: This team is a 25-30 win team. They aren't well coached, or even coached it seems. I don't think Fizdale is the guy who can tap into and get the best out of every player. This team better find a way to keep it close, because we don't have the shooting to come back from double digits night in and night out. Speaking of keeping it close, I don't think we have one guy on our roster who I would trust to take the final shot.
DNP Coaches Decision for Payton, Dotson and Trier tonight.
Morris's 6.1% ranked him 412 out of 477 players who saw any time on the court last season.
No doubt the man has skills but I already do not enjoy watching him play.
both teams had 22 assists, knicks 22 assists on 32 made shots..
and i know we dont see it much anymore but post ups are not isos
Frank was awesome on D. Trae Young was cooking the folks on him before Frank came in and put him in his pocket. I like the Frank-RJ pairing with the ball in RJ's hands. Dennis Smith had some decent moments defensively but is a bad PnR defender. He's gonna need to become a really efficient scorer to be a net plus in most games.
With experience and some respect from the refs, RJ is gonna be tough getting to the rack and the line. Hopefully the shot starts to fall.
if he was knick everyone here would be calling him a chucker, their entire offense is him dribbling around screens and either shooting or passing it the open 3 point shooter..
Bully ball doesn't win enough in todays NBA. That's the problem.
if he was knick everyone here would be calling him a chucker, their entire offense is him dribbling around screens and either shooting or passing it the open 3 point shooter..
Did you watch the game? He notably put Ellington on skates for the buzzer beater 3 and got away from Smith on the PnR at will. 23 pts, 9 Ast. He was consistently beating the knicks on the PnR and either getting shots for himself or his teammates. He's a bad defensive player but our guards couldn't quite take advantage last night - that will be a long term issue for the Hawks tho.
And 16 is right- get ready for a ton of Randle and Morris postups this year.
This team is missing a good shooter and good penetrator. I think the offense will struggle because of that.
Last thing- Mitch played well last night. And I really hope he doesn’t take a backseat this year. No one wants to hear this but this team is going to be bad again this year and the focus should be on developing RJ, Mitch, Knox and Frank. I really don’t want him sacrificing minutes for vets.
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he was 7 for 19 with 21 points, how is that cooking?
if he was knick everyone here would be calling him a chucker, their entire offense is him dribbling around screens and either shooting or passing it the open 3 point shooter..
Did you watch the game? He notably put Ellington on skates for the buzzer beater 3 and got away from Smith on the PnR at will. 23 pts, 9 Ast. He was consistently beating the knicks on the PnR and either getting shots for himself or his teammates. He's a bad defensive player but our guards couldn't quite take advantage last night - that will be a long term issue for the Hawks tho.
he was 7 for 19..
and he better have 9 assists, the ball is in his hands the entire game, this is like westbrook racking up assists, he got his assists put of sheer volume..
And i like trae young but their offense is him dribbling around until the defense either collapses or he shoots
And 16 is right- get ready for a ton of Randle and Morris postups this year.
This team is missing a good shooter and good penetrator. I think the offense will struggle because of that.
Last thing- Mitch played well last night. And I really hope he doesn’t take a backseat this year. No one wants to hear this but this team is going to be bad again this year and the focus should be on developing RJ, Mitch, Knox and Frank. I really don’t want him sacrificing minutes for vets.
he cant stay on the floor, he seems to control his fouls when he comes off the bench..
Knox seems to improved greatly. Much stronger. Seems to have a better understanding of shot selection. Reminds me a lot of early Tobias Harris.
Randle is as advertised Somewhat of a throwback player, but still pretty good.
Same goes for Morris although he definitely has an inflated opinion of his abilities.
RJB will have some struggles, but that is one mature, competitive player.
Franks defense.
Ellington's shooting.
The bad:
DSJ just has no feel for the game. Its almost like he took all that athletic ability and chose the wrong path; like he should have been an NFL WR.
Franks offense.
Ellington - anothing but shooting.
who had more cohesion last night?
”Much like Knox last year, expect him to run RJ into the ground by January. ”
“Kevin Knox: ....He should be getting more minutes per game this season.”
your team is big, of course you are going to run post ups
There has been a lot of back and forth over the last couple of years about whether or not Frankie is a PG, and Barrett taking the creator role helps to make up for a lot of Frank’s deficiencies on offense, and allows him to focus on defense.
I’ve also really liked Barrett’s effort on D. He definitely still has deficiencies and a lot to learn on that end before he’s a “good” defender, but he shows a willingness and definitely has the potential to be above average on that side of the floor.
What Beal loses with this extension:
A chance to hit 2021 free agency, when his projected max starting salary would’ve been $38 million
A chance to trigger super-max eligibility by making an All-NBA team this season or next, which would’ve increased his max salary in 2021-22 to $44 million
The ability to get traded this season
What Beal gains with this extension:
A guaranteed $71,764,428
There has been a lot of back and forth over the last couple of years about whether or not Frankie is a PG, and Barrett taking the creator role helps to make up for a lot of Frank’s deficiencies on offense, and allows him to focus on defense.
I’ve also really liked Barrett’s effort on D. He definitely still has deficiencies and a lot to learn on that end before he’s a “good” defender, but he shows a willingness and definitely has the potential to be above average on that side of the floor.
This was my takeaway as well. RJB looks like a real player. Needs to get some muscle and they may have something. They need a few real shooters is my biggest negative. No one is a legit outside presence.
”Much like Knox last year, expect him to run RJ into the ground by January. ”
“Kevin Knox: ....He should be getting more minutes per game this season.”
Per game on average I should have meant. He only got 20 yesterday. Around 28-30 is what he should be getting this year.
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Is that RJ Barrett should be the primary ball handler. He looks really good as a facilitator, was looking to set up his teammates and seemed to play more under control when he was the one bringing the ball up the court.
There has been a lot of back and forth over the last couple of years about whether or not Frankie is a PG, and Barrett taking the creator role helps to make up for a lot of Frank’s deficiencies on offense, and allows him to focus on defense.
I’ve also really liked Barrett’s effort on D. He definitely still has deficiencies and a lot to learn on that end before he’s a “good” defender, but he shows a willingness and definitely has the potential to be above average on that side of the floor.
This was my takeaway as well. RJB looks like a real player. Needs to get some muscle and they may have something. They need a few real shooters is my biggest negative. No one is a legit outside presence.
Was also impressed with Barrett last night too. Would love to see Frank and Dot develop into those 3 and D shooters to spread the floor.
I would also be looking to trade Morris or one of the bigs for a wing shooter the first they are eligible to be traded.
Once one of those guys come off the court rj gets more touches and is able to create..
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Maybe reunite the Morris Twins?
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Kennard + Frazier
the ball is going to be run through randle and morris, why not start ellington next to barrett?
Barrett can create more and you add a shooter to the starting lineup..
Bench: smith, frank, knox, portis, gibson..
If frank could show a consistent jumper it would be a no brainer to start him
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And 0% of GMs think RJ Barrett will contend for Rookie of the Year, or be one of the best players from this draft class in five years.
None. I was just wondering if they would reunite the twins
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And 0% of GMs think RJ Barrett will contend for Rookie of the Year, or be one of the best players from this draft class in five years.
Such horseshit. And weren't these experts saying that Barrett had better long-term potential than Zion?
Prove 'em wrong, RJ
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And 0% of GMs think RJ Barrett will contend for Rookie of the Year, or be one of the best players from this draft class in five years.
Such horseshit. And weren't these experts saying that Barrett had better long-term potential than Zion?
Prove 'em wrong, RJ
What are you new? once a player becomes a knick he sucks, once he leaves he is awesome..
The Knicks missed big by not getting the top 2 pick, fuck the NBA.
The Knicks missed big by not getting the top 2 pick, fuck the NBA.
Barrett looks unathletic?
DeAndre Hunter did indeed look very good, at least when ballhog Trae Young deigned to pass to him.
-high end competitiveness
-nothing seems too big for him
-size/strength
-seems to be doing well defensively
-"lefty-ness" (he's got a lot of Walter Berry like funky release points in the paint that drive defenders crazy)
Obviously the shooting improvement will be critical.
Well said. Sure there has been a lack of talent (starting guys like Calderon, Mudiay etc.) but the toxin in the Knicks system is that too many guys over the years play for "ME" and not for "WE". Marbury, Curry, Hardaway, Anthony etc. -- consumate loser players.
We want Jontay!
And Hunter looks like a poor mans Kawhi.
And Hunter looks like a poor mans Kawhi.
He might NOT have. Fixed.
Phil,
Do you believe RJ Barrett has "elite burst that few have"? I find that hard to believe.
So my response to that comment remains. Earl Monroe was an all-time great. He did not have elite "burst", nor does Barrett.
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did you ever see Earl Monroe?
Phil,
Do you believe RJ Barrett has "elite burst that few have"? I find that hard to believe.
Dan,
I corrected myself. I meant to say RJ Barrett does not have elite burst that few have. But he does have.....
Melo - ( New Window )
But that has absolutely nothing to do with the question of him being a "special" run/jump athlete. He's not. Plenty of good players aren't but he's clearly not a special run/jump athlete at the 2/3 spot.
Nice comparison. Never seen that one before.
I don't think he is being knocked. I think the consensus is that he's a solid/average athlete that seems to have elite intangibles, a body of a 25 year old NBA vet, pleasantly surprising play-making and defensive skills.
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But he’s also not Roy Marble, Darnell Hillman, Dwayne Scales or the scores and scores of run/jump guys who got drafted over players.
I don't think he is being knocked. I think the consensus is that he's a solid/average athlete that seems to have elite intangibles, a body of a 25 year old NBA vet, pleasantly surprising play-making and defensive skills.
someone just said he will not be an elite player because he is unathletic
And RJ is not a special explosive athlete in the NBA. That is pretty clear. Doesn't mean he can't become a good or even great player. But that is simply true and isn't going to change.
And RJ is not a special explosive athlete in the NBA. That is pretty clear. Doesn't mean he can't become a good or even great player. But that is simply true and isn't going to change.
There is no chance they do this. Doesn't make sense on ANY level. In fact, I challenge someone to make a case for it lol
These games aren't really about wins, especially with what amounts to a new roster. So I give him a pass on some of that.
As for his schemes, I can't tell at this point. Maybe later in the season. I think he was hired to develop the young guys. At some point, the coach won't be expected to be a tutor; he'll be expected to win games. Fizdale may not be the guy for that. We'll see.
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Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
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Ntlikina + Dotson
for
Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
Anak,
Considering Kennard went 12th and is only 23 he's more of a hit than a miss. Career .85 WS/48, career 40% from 3. I suspect he's on his way to a long and productive NBA career with his skill set.
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Ntlikina + Dotson
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Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
Anak,
Considering Kennard went 12th and is only 23 he's more of a hit than a miss. Career .85 WS/48, career 40% from 3. I suspect he's on his way to a long and productive NBA career with his skill set.
Isn't he coming off the bench? I thought Bruce Brown (who blows also) is starting at the 2 for them.
ok so what style would you play with this roster? what lineups would you use?
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Ntlikina + Dotson
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Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
Wow, yeah that's a bad list. btw, did you see what Nick Nurse said about Stanley Johnson? He roasted him for being lazy, ill-prepared etc.
These games aren't really about wins, especially with what amounts to a new roster. So I give him a pass on some of that.
Kind of sad some people can't recognize that preseason games can be used for this purpose.
Yeah, because they have the players who can do that consistently. The Knicks need an offense. Stop comparing us to the rest of the NBA. We're not.
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Ntlikina + Dotson
for
Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
Wow, yeah that's a bad list. btw, did you see what Nick Nurse said about Stanley Johnson? He roasted him for being lazy, ill-prepared etc.
Stanimal has been a total bust but it sounds like coach speak trying to light a fire under the asses of the new young newbies
"When TSN’s Josh Lewenberg asked Nick Nurse if Johnson and Hollis-Jefferson are contributing to the team’s defensive identity, the Raptors head coach had some pretty harsh criticism:
“Nope, nope, nope. Those guys have not understood A) how hard we play, B) our schemes, that defense is a priority for them. We’ve got some work to do with that crew. I tell them there’s a couple spots open come Tuesday night if somebody wants them. And I keep telling [them] show me you’re going to play defense, show me you’re going to play hard, show me you understand our coverages. And then whatever you do on the other end you’re going to get opportunities just because of who you’re on the floor with and they’ll come to you. You don’t have to come down and occupy 95 percent of your mind with how you’re going to break down and get your next shot. It’s not going to get you on the floor right now. So we’ve got work to do. We’ve got to find who’s going to blend in quickly defensively with this crew.”"
In a professional field we call that a trend.
Why would you not want to run an offense during warm up games to see what works and what doesn't?
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Both with the lineup and playstyle.
ok so what style would you play with this roster? what lineups would you use?
You're not asking me but I'll answer the question:
BIGs (96 minutes):
Randle 32 minutes
Robinson 28
Portis 20
Gibson 10
Morris 6
SF:
Morris 22
Knox 26
SG:
RJB 28
Trier 20
I would not give Trier's minutes to Ellington and I am frustrated that Trier hasn't been in the mix.
PG:
Not sure how this will shake out because all three have major holes in their games.
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do you watch the rest of the nba? everyone runs a ton of iso
Yeah, because they have the players who can do that consistently. The Knicks need an offense. Stop comparing us to the rest of the NBA. We're not.
i mean they did have 22 points on 32 made field goals so ball did move..
and post ups for randle or morris is not iso
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Both with the lineup and playstyle.
ok so what style would you play with this roster? what lineups would you use?
You're not asking me but I'll answer the question:
BIGs (96 minutes):
Randle 32 minutes
Robinson 28
Portis 20
Gibson 10
Morris 6
SF:
Morris 22
Knox 26
SG:
RJB 28
Trier 20
I would not give Trier's minutes to Ellington and I am frustrated that Trier hasn't been in the mix.
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Not sure how this will shake out because all three have major holes in their games.
I agree on trier but i see the value in ellington, him just being on the court spreads the floor..
so basically you would have the same lineups fiz has been using
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do you watch the rest of the nba? everyone runs a ton of iso
Yeah, because they have the players who can do that consistently. The Knicks need an offense. Stop comparing us to the rest of the NBA. We're not.
i mean they did have 22 points on 32 made field goals so ball did move..
and post ups for randle or morris is not iso
22 assists
We don't have the shooting or the quickness to run ISO well. We're a bunch of mismatched parts.
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do you watch the rest of the nba? everyone runs a ton of iso
We don't have the shooting or the quickness to run ISO well. We're a bunch of mismatched parts.
post ups are not iso...
and the bigs actually fit together, portis and gibson are a good match and randle and mitch are a good match..
1 3 ppint shooter in both those pairings..
morris shot 40 percent from 3 last year..
the problem is not the fromt court, the bsck court has to have at least 1 guy emerge as a good shooter
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Ntlikina + Dotson
for
Kennard + Frazier
Decent proposal
Speaking of which, Detroit has drafted pretty poorly the last few years. Stanley Johnson, Luke Kennard, Henry Ellenson...
Wow, yeah that's a bad list. btw, did you see what Nick Nurse said about Stanley Johnson? He roasted him for being lazy, ill-prepared etc.
Dan LOVED the Stanimal :)
He'll fill the quota left by Lance Thomas
Give a coach ten "80%" players and you can win, but it probably is a much more complex task that requires an old school nuts and bolts practicality with regards to putting together puzzle pieces.
Have we seen that? I'm not knowledgeable in basketball, but it seems random.
what did you expect, they told you how they were going to play, it is going tl be bully ball, when you are bigger than most teams you are not going to try to outgun them..
the knicks are going to muddy the game, post ups and try to slow the pace..
I'm sorry, but I don't think Bobby Portis deserve more than like 5-10 minutes per night, but it looks like Fizdale wants to give him significant run. Robinson and Gibson should be getting all of the minutes at the 5. Give 28 to Mitch and 20 to Gibson, if Robinson gets in to foul trouble then that's when Portis should get more time.
At the 4 Randle is obviously going to get the bulk of the time, and I would like to see Morris get significant time there as well. Knox should be getting 30 minutes per night at the 3, which in order for that to happen Morris is going to have to spend a lot of time at the 4.
Backcourt needs to be a split between Barrett, Frank, DSJ and Trier.
Ideally the rotation would be split like this:
Center
Robinson 28 min.
Gibson 20 min.
PF
Randle 30 min.
Morris 15 min.
Portis 3 min.
SF
Knox 30 min.
Morris 15 min.
Barrett 3 min.
SG
Barrett 28 min.
Trier 20 min.
PG
Ntilikina 28 min.
Smith Jr. 20 min.
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I've rooted for this team forever, but this isn't a pretty group.
what did you expect, they told you how they were going to play, it is going tl be bully ball, when you are bigger than most teams you are not going to try to outgun them..
the knicks are going to muddy the game, post ups and try to slow the pace..
I expected a crappy team that has to play slowdown and post up to stay in games, but can't hang in for the long haul with teams that can hit their shots at a more regular pace than us...which is gonna happen most nights. I'm not saying anything remarkable here. Bully ball is not gonna win us a playoff spot or make games enjoyable to watch, because most nights we're not going to hit those critical shots that are the difference between wins and losses.
And it's also gonna be ugly to watch. Those Detroit teams, and the Knicks with Oakley, actually had stars who could do more than throw their weight around. They were actually fun to watch. We don't have that kind of talent and we won't be fun to watch.
I hope I'm wrong, but SMH, I don't think so,.
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
DemArt DeRozan is an A++ pure athlete.
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
I'm already dreading it. Morris is going to be chucking...
Fizdale is going to have his hands full with all these goes pretty much on walk years...
he had 20 points on 12 shots, how is that a ballhog? he is a very good passer, averaged 3.5 assists per game last year..
calling randle a ballhog is laughable
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an offense run through a big, offense is going to run through randle and morris with barrett as the 3rx guy
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
I'm already dreading it. Morris is going to be chucking...
Fizdale is going to have his hands full with all these goes pretty much on walk years...
I dont think so, he is 29, he is what he is, he may have a little bigger role than hr normaly has but i dont see him just taking the ball and shooting 20 times a night
--defend the 3
--push the ball, hard, in the open floor,
--keep the ball moving in offensive sets.
With all of that depth, he can tell players that don't do all of the above that their minutes will be cut sharply.
But will he? Dunno.
At PG, we don't know yet whether Smith's shooting is much better after a summer of working on it. If it is, the starting spot is his. If not, not.
Wrt Frank, his shooting problem is in his brain, not his body. He was a great shooter in the under-18 Euro championships. Why would it disappear?
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
If they win plenty of people will like it. The fan base is so starved for a winning team I really doubt too many would complain about style if they achieve any sort of success in the process. the problem is they likely aren't quite there yet so people will complain.
That's the root of the issue. It's not so much passing it in to a big as it is that they aren't often enough looking for the open man to pass it back out to when the defense collapses around them.
randle is one of the better passing bigs in the nba, what are you talking about?
This loser team can't shoot and do not work together to get an open man look. I hope they improve as they are all new to each other but ball hoggery is a tough habit to overcome.
On the plus side I do see a modicum of improvement for Frank. But he was starting so low to begin with it means little. Saw him cross over dribble finish a drive and has a bit smoother release.
Hope that Knox BJ and Smith develop and become terrific players. That our salvation
This loser team can't shoot and do not work together to get an open man look. I hope they improve as they are all new to each other but ball hoggery is a tough habit to overcome.
On the plus side I do see a modicum of improvement for Frank. But he was starting so low to begin with it means little. Saw him cross over dribble finish a drive and has a bit smoother release.
Hope that Knox BJ and Smith develop and become terrific players. That our salvation
i am so glad someone mentioned the warriors..
they had 2 of the greatest shooters of all time, 1 of if not the best scorers of all time and draymond who just stood at the top of the key and fed evwryone..
please stop in thinking every team can play that way, it is moronic to ckmpare any team to then
when they collapse on him he doesn't seem to be aware of teammates.
when they collapse on him he doesn't seem to be aware of teammates.
funny he had 6 assists in the 2nd preseason game..
he also took 12 shots and scored 20, ill take that every singlr night, he is your best player he is going to take the most shots, offense will be run through him
Maybe the Knicks don't need to pass because they stink and no one will make the basket even if the receive a pass???? Hopefully they are in a growing stage
Maybe the Knicks don't need to pass because they stink and no one will make the basket even if the receive a pass???? Hopefully they are in a growing stage
22 assists on 32 made shots is not bad at all..
and stop setting the standard as tbe warriors, they had 3 of the best players in the game on their team, they are an anomally
You have mention a few times that Randle is a good passer. I don't think you mean like a LBJ. I pray that he is flexible enough to pass out of the double team rather then hoist a shot when they collapse on him
Talk about a ridiculous comparison.
And they just waived him
We want Jontay!
I believe we would have to waive a guaranteed contract. Good thing we're paying Bullock to not play for a few months and then not even have a role when he comes back.
Williamson did not travel with the team to New York for Friday's preseason game against the Knicks and instead stayed back in New Orleans for further testing."
Sucks for Zion. He was having a great preseason. It does start to raise a question if he's injury prone (he missed almost all of summer league as well), but I suppose it's still a small sample size.
Williamson did not travel with the team to New York for Friday's preseason game against the Knicks and instead stayed back in New Orleans for further testing."
Sucks for Zion. He was having a great preseason. It does start to raise a question if he's injury prone (he missed almost all of summer league as well), but I suppose it's still a small sample size.
It’s incredible that a guy his size can elevate the way does. But what goes up must come down. Can his lower body hold up?
I think it's to ensure his rights at Westchester, but I'm not sure
they sign him to exhibit 10 deal which in turn means hemakes an extea 50k if he signs knicks gleahue
It's such a garbage league for so many teams.
It's not even entertaining or interesting.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
i dont see how this is possible, who would it be? trier? all the other new guys have been in rotation for the preseason
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Season hasn't even started yet.
i dont see how this is possible, who would it be? trier? all the other new guys have been in rotation for the preseason
Or coming off injuries, as in Dotson's case. Only one I can see might be Trier.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
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There has been some ‘early grumbling’ among some Knicks players about their role with the team, per
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
but so far none them have been out of the rotation, so you logic is flawed
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There has been some ‘early grumbling’ among some Knicks players about their role with the team, per
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
but so far none them have been out of the rotation, so you logic is flawed
Wtf? My logic is flawed? How so? I replied directly to a post saying that the grumbling has already started. And whether you believe that or not, it’s absolutely to be expected with a bunch of guys on “prove it” deals. Maybe you think everybody is going to be perfectly happy with their roles all season long but that’s just not realistic. Call it flawed logical all you want.
Randle: starter and probably their bedt player..
Portis: was told before he signed he was coming off the bench and has always been a bench big..
Gibson: vet big he knows his role coming off the bench..
Ellington: Vet shooter off the bench..
Morris: starter and finisher..
Payton: maybe the only guy who may complain depending how many minutes but most likely bench point guard backing up the starter..
So which one of the guys they signed is going tonj complain about thejr role if they are playing the role they have always played? these are not guys fighting to stay in the league
interested to see knox and morris playing together..
Bench probably payton, trier, knox, morris and portis
Seems to do better without Morris on the floor.
Seems to do better without Morris on the floor.
Glad to hear! My attention is on the Yanks, but RJ looks like a pro already.
RJB w/ a big play late...116-112. Big energy at MSG in the 4th. Trier cuts it to 2...
Ha i was on time delay, then after the first miss and reb kinda saw what was coming. Still he shot the 3 pretty well last year
Missed FT so NYK gets a shot w/ 15s
3s down 2. Most exciting preseason game EVER
You can tell rj likes the spotlight, he wants the ball..
Smith had some bad momemnts but he finished with 9, 9 boards and 6 assists 2 assists and was +6..still a little rusty..
Randle is going to carry this team offensively you can tell he was holding back in the preseason a little bit trying to get everyone involved..
Players are going to have to learn jow to move when he posts up..
I’m optimistic about Knox’s potential, but having Gilgeous-Alexander would’ve solved a lot of issues.
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I’m optimistic about Knox’s potential, but having Gilgeous-Alexander would’ve solved a lot of issues.
I'd trade Knox, Frank, DSJ for SGA but we'd get laughed out of the room.
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There were only seven players who averaged at least 15 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists per game in the preseason:
James Harden, Luka Doncic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Pascal Siakam, Karl-Anthony Towns,
And two Knicks:
RJ Barrett and Julius Randle
@TommyBeer
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There were only seven players who averaged at least 15 points, 6 rebounds and 3 assists per game in the preseason:
James Harden, Luka Doncic, Giannis Antetokounmpo, Pascal Siakam, Karl-Anthony Towns,
And two Knicks:
RJ Barrett and Julius Randle
Do you know who also led the preseason in minutes per game?
RJ Barrett and Julius Randle.
I think Barrett is already the best *all-around* player on the team, in that he's got a really good sense for all phases of the game IMO. Obviously his outside shooting needs to improve for him to be as effective as possible.
Some other thoughts -
I think Frank is our best PG. May not be saying much, but Smith looks bad to me (lingering injury effect?) and Payton looks OK but Frank's better all-around IMO.
Mitch is a beast on D, but if we don't defend the 3-point shot better than last night it won't matter much.
Portis has crazy eyes like - who was it, Kurt Thomas? But he's not bad as a second team player.