Hawks: 100
Knicks: 96
Once again, I watch a Knicks game in hopes I see good ball movement, crisp passes, guys cutting, finding the open man. Our offense has no desire to find the advantage. Instead, Knicks and Fizdale seem content on leaning back onto the bad habit of ISO-ball bailing us out.
The defense was actually not that bad this game.
Couple Notes
David Fizdale: Worst starting lineup we could have possibly did tonight. Portis, Randle and Morris as our starting front court should never see another minute again this season. Still questionable X's and O's coach. Another night giving RJ another 40 minute game in preseason. Much like Knox last year, expect him to run RJ into the ground by January.
Frank Ntilikina: 1-4 2 Points, 3 rebounds, 3 assists. You'd almost have to be a basketball purist to appreciate what he does defensively. He ate Trae Youngs lunch quite a few times, altering his shot with his length, forcing him to pass out of a few easy buckets he was hitting earlier, adding a couple nice blocks to his night. He is an average defender with the ability to show glimpses of above average defending. I think right now he's at his floor. Offensively, he's still a complete black hole if you're looking for points. He moves the ball nice and tries to set someone up with a shot. Unfortunately, he plays in an offense that doesn't suit his style. He's not ISO Frank. He should be the starting PG. IMO
Dennis Smith JR:First game back after sitting out previously with a lower back injury. First observation? He's rusty. Picked up two quick fouls in the opening minutest that sent him to the bench. Not a great shooting night for him either. 1-5 for 4 points.
Julius Randle: So far his best night as a Knick. Aside from two step back jumpers (Yes, two..wtf), he finished with 20 points, 8 rebounds, 2 assists, 2 blocks. His defense is still not worth talking about.
RJ Barrett: 4-14, 12 points, 7 rebounds, 6 assists, 2 steals and a block. It's going to be an up and down year in regards with his game to game efficiency. If Fizdale can tap into his inner-coaching and somehow teach RJ to reign it in a bit on nights he isn't feeling it, then he could be special this year. He's a plus playmaker, can bully his way into the paint, and actually finish. He did miss quite a few easy layups though. I'm chalking that up to youth. The flashes are there. You can see it. Even had a nice game defensively.
Kevin Knox: He looks like he's ready to be the first of our young guys to make the big jump this year. He looks much more fluid and confident. He moves the ball well, and stretches the floor. His shot looks good. He should be getting more minutes per game this season.
Last thoughts: This team is a 25-30 win team. They aren't well coached, or even coached it seems. I don't think Fizdale is the guy who can tap into and get the best out of every player. This team better find a way to keep it close, because we don't have the shooting to come back from double digits night in and night out. Speaking of keeping it close, I don't think we have one guy on our roster who I would trust to take the final shot.
DNP Coaches Decision for Payton, Dotson and Trier tonight.
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I've rooted for this team forever, but this isn't a pretty group.
what did you expect, they told you how they were going to play, it is going tl be bully ball, when you are bigger than most teams you are not going to try to outgun them..
the knicks are going to muddy the game, post ups and try to slow the pace..
I expected a crappy team that has to play slowdown and post up to stay in games, but can't hang in for the long haul with teams that can hit their shots at a more regular pace than us...which is gonna happen most nights. I'm not saying anything remarkable here. Bully ball is not gonna win us a playoff spot or make games enjoyable to watch, because most nights we're not going to hit those critical shots that are the difference between wins and losses.
And it's also gonna be ugly to watch. Those Detroit teams, and the Knicks with Oakley, actually had stars who could do more than throw their weight around. They were actually fun to watch. We don't have that kind of talent and we won't be fun to watch.
I hope I'm wrong, but SMH, I don't think so,.
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
DemArt DeRozan is an A++ pure athlete.
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
I'm already dreading it. Morris is going to be chucking...
Fizdale is going to have his hands full with all these goes pretty much on walk years...
he had 20 points on 12 shots, how is that a ballhog? he is a very good passer, averaged 3.5 assists per game last year..
calling randle a ballhog is laughable
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an offense run through a big, offense is going to run through randle and morris with barrett as the 3rx guy
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
I'm already dreading it. Morris is going to be chucking...
Fizdale is going to have his hands full with all these goes pretty much on walk years...
I dont think so, he is 29, he is what he is, he may have a little bigger role than hr normaly has but i dont see him just taking the ball and shooting 20 times a night
--defend the 3
--push the ball, hard, in the open floor,
--keep the ball moving in offensive sets.
With all of that depth, he can tell players that don't do all of the above that their minutes will be cut sharply.
But will he? Dunno.
At PG, we don't know yet whether Smith's shooting is much better after a summer of working on it. If it is, the starting spot is his. If not, not.
Wrt Frank, his shooting problem is in his brain, not his body. He was a great shooter in the under-18 Euro championships. Why would it disappear?
It is how the team is built, will it be ugly at times? probably
If they win plenty of people will like it. The fan base is so starved for a winning team I really doubt too many would complain about style if they achieve any sort of success in the process. the problem is they likely aren't quite there yet so people will complain.
That's the root of the issue. It's not so much passing it in to a big as it is that they aren't often enough looking for the open man to pass it back out to when the defense collapses around them.
randle is one of the better passing bigs in the nba, what are you talking about?
This loser team can't shoot and do not work together to get an open man look. I hope they improve as they are all new to each other but ball hoggery is a tough habit to overcome.
On the plus side I do see a modicum of improvement for Frank. But he was starting so low to begin with it means little. Saw him cross over dribble finish a drive and has a bit smoother release.
Hope that Knox BJ and Smith develop and become terrific players. That our salvation
This loser team can't shoot and do not work together to get an open man look. I hope they improve as they are all new to each other but ball hoggery is a tough habit to overcome.
On the plus side I do see a modicum of improvement for Frank. But he was starting so low to begin with it means little. Saw him cross over dribble finish a drive and has a bit smoother release.
Hope that Knox BJ and Smith develop and become terrific players. That our salvation
i am so glad someone mentioned the warriors..
they had 2 of the greatest shooters of all time, 1 of if not the best scorers of all time and draymond who just stood at the top of the key and fed evwryone..
please stop in thinking every team can play that way, it is moronic to ckmpare any team to then
when they collapse on him he doesn't seem to be aware of teammates.
when they collapse on him he doesn't seem to be aware of teammates.
funny he had 6 assists in the 2nd preseason game..
he also took 12 shots and scored 20, ill take that every singlr night, he is your best player he is going to take the most shots, offense will be run through him
Maybe the Knicks don't need to pass because they stink and no one will make the basket even if the receive a pass???? Hopefully they are in a growing stage
Maybe the Knicks don't need to pass because they stink and no one will make the basket even if the receive a pass???? Hopefully they are in a growing stage
22 assists on 32 made shots is not bad at all..
and stop setting the standard as tbe warriors, they had 3 of the best players in the game on their team, they are an anomally
You have mention a few times that Randle is a good passer. I don't think you mean like a LBJ. I pray that he is flexible enough to pass out of the double team rather then hoist a shot when they collapse on him
Talk about a ridiculous comparison.
And they just waived him
We want Jontay!
I believe we would have to waive a guaranteed contract. Good thing we're paying Bullock to not play for a few months and then not even have a role when he comes back.
Williamson did not travel with the team to New York for Friday's preseason game against the Knicks and instead stayed back in New Orleans for further testing."
Sucks for Zion. He was having a great preseason. It does start to raise a question if he's injury prone (he missed almost all of summer league as well), but I suppose it's still a small sample size.
Williamson did not travel with the team to New York for Friday's preseason game against the Knicks and instead stayed back in New Orleans for further testing."
Sucks for Zion. He was having a great preseason. It does start to raise a question if he's injury prone (he missed almost all of summer league as well), but I suppose it's still a small sample size.
It’s incredible that a guy his size can elevate the way does. But what goes up must come down. Can his lower body hold up?
I think it's to ensure his rights at Westchester, but I'm not sure
they sign him to exhibit 10 deal which in turn means hemakes an extea 50k if he signs knicks gleahue
It's such a garbage league for so many teams.
It's not even entertaining or interesting.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
i dont see how this is possible, who would it be? trier? all the other new guys have been in rotation for the preseason
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@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
i dont see how this is possible, who would it be? trier? all the other new guys have been in rotation for the preseason
Or coming off injuries, as in Dotson's case. Only one I can see might be Trier.
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
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There has been some ‘early grumbling’ among some Knicks players about their role with the team, per
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
but so far none them have been out of the rotation, so you logic is flawed
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There has been some ‘early grumbling’ among some Knicks players about their role with the team, per
@IanBegley
Season hasn't even started yet.
Gee, who would have seen this coming? What did they expect when they go out and sign about 10 guys to basically one or two year deals? All of these guys on short term deals are going to want to play for their next contract. From a team perspective, sure the depth sounds nice. But from a real world perspective, there are going to be a lot of players not happy with their roles. None of them think that it’s going to be THEM getting left out of the rotation, but it’s got to be somebody
but so far none them have been out of the rotation, so you logic is flawed
Wtf? My logic is flawed? How so? I replied directly to a post saying that the grumbling has already started. And whether you believe that or not, it’s absolutely to be expected with a bunch of guys on “prove it” deals. Maybe you think everybody is going to be perfectly happy with their roles all season long but that’s just not realistic. Call it flawed logical all you want.
Randle: starter and probably their bedt player..
Portis: was told before he signed he was coming off the bench and has always been a bench big..
Gibson: vet big he knows his role coming off the bench..
Ellington: Vet shooter off the bench..
Morris: starter and finisher..
Payton: maybe the only guy who may complain depending how many minutes but most likely bench point guard backing up the starter..
So which one of the guys they signed is going tonj complain about thejr role if they are playing the role they have always played? these are not guys fighting to stay in the league
interested to see knox and morris playing together..
Bench probably payton, trier, knox, morris and portis
Seems to do better without Morris on the floor.
Seems to do better without Morris on the floor.
Glad to hear! My attention is on the Yanks, but RJ looks like a pro already.
RJB w/ a big play late...116-112. Big energy at MSG in the 4th. Trier cuts it to 2...
Ha i was on time delay, then after the first miss and reb kinda saw what was coming. Still he shot the 3 pretty well last year
Missed FT so NYK gets a shot w/ 15s