So it's been four seasons since Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota went #1 and #2 overall in 2015 Draft. Both were Heisman Trophy winners and were pretty celebrated players coming out. While Winston has had brushes with the law, he's remained pretty healthy and haven't missed many games. Mariota, on the other hand, has been injury-prone and have missed some games. Both have been benched at times for their poor plays (Mariota being benched this week).
Also, I didn't realize that Garrett Grayson(3rd round by the Saints), Sean Mannion (3rd round by the Rams), Bryce Petty (4th round by the Jets) were the next three QBs drafted with not even a hint of success. Then you have Brett Hundley (5th round by the Packers) and Trevor Siemian (7th round by the Broncos), who are at least marginal backups.
So what are your thoughts on the 2015 QB class?
On a side note, this highlights just how difficult it is to find a franchise QB. I'm optimistic that we have found our franchise QB for the next 10+ years.
I mean who is the best player out of that draft, Melvin Gordon, Landon Collins?
I can’t believe how much of a bust both top QBs have been. Winston was so good in college in a pro-offense and he just flashes in the NFL.
I mean who is the best player out of that draft, Melvin Gordon, Landon Collins?
I have no clue what you're talking about. The NFL mistakenly didn't give us a 1st round pick for that draft. At least that's how I remember it.
He has the goods, but when it comes to consistency, he's completely lacking.
Last week I watched him completely lose track of a linebacker in underneath coverage and throw the ball right to him. He was locked in on someone running a crossing route and basically completely ignored the second level of the defense.
For every good play Winston makes, he makes an equally inexplicable one. If Arians can't get him right, no one will.
One positive of garbage Tanney signing, hopeful it's an indicator Eli trade is in the works.
I mean who is the best player out of that draft, Melvin Gordon, Landon Collins?
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Last fall I viewed Mariota as an elite level (90+) QB prospect that I would want on the NYG roster as soon as round 1. I love his ability to move. He can change the game with his mobility. He is more than just an athlete too. He has some zip on his balls with a quick release and most importantly, his accuracy on the move is spot on. I’ve seen every 2014 game tape of Oregon and I have to admit I jumped the gun on him. He remains uncomfortable in the pocket and the simple throws were routinely missed. His mechanics as a pocket passer are flawed and his experience starting under center is as limited as it gets. There is something about QBs that rely on athletic ability that just screams “No” to me as well. Mariota doesn’t have the Cam Newton body type. I can’t see him taking an extra 10 hits per game and lasting, a la Robert Griffin. He’s a mature kid and he does make plays, but there is more development that needs to occur here thus a larger margin for eventual error. I would still take Mariota on this team but not before round 2, he’ll be long gone by then.
And Winston
Last week I watched him completely lose track of a linebacker in underneath coverage and throw the ball right to him. He was locked in on someone running a crossing route and basically completely ignored the second level of the defense.
For every good play Winston makes, he makes an equally inexplicable one. If Arians can't get him right, no one will.
That sums it up fairly well. He's a tough kid and will hand in the pocket for a long, long time. And will make some tremendous throws. But then he will make some of the most head-scratching throws you'll ever see. Just a real zero-sum game element to his play...
I was very bullish on Arians being the right guy to develop Winston. I still am but last week in London didn't help. If you look at Winston's prior four games before the London meltdown, he played very well...
It's funny how quickly things change - there was that concern that Kelly would land his QB in Mariota in Philly and we'd be screwed. Kelly has flamed out in two locations, and Mariota's basically one foot out the door.
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but I was very concerned about whether he could stay healthy. IIRC the Eagles were very high on him and tried to trade up for him.
It's funny how quickly things change - there was that concern that Kelly would land his QB in Mariota in Philly and we'd be screwed. Kelly has flamed out in two locations, and Mariota's basically one foot out the door.
I remember when Kelly was hired in SF and there was a lot of hype about him working with Kaepernick. It ended up being a disaster.
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Winston has a super low football IQ. He's got the ability and talent, but I see him make so many absolutely stupid throws and decisions on a fairly regular basis. He just seems like a guy who will always flash but never put it all together.
Last week I watched him completely lose track of a linebacker in underneath coverage and throw the ball right to him. He was locked in on someone running a crossing route and basically completely ignored the second level of the defense.
For every good play Winston makes, he makes an equally inexplicable one. If Arians can't get him right, no one will.
That sums it up fairly well. He's a tough kid and will hand in the pocket for a long, long time. And will make some tremendous throws. But then he will make some of the most head-scratching throws you'll ever see. Just a real zero-sum game element to his play...
I was very bullish on Arians being the right guy to develop Winston. I still am but last week in London didn't help. If you look at Winston's prior four games before the London meltdown, he played very well...
There is an important QB skill that does not get mentioned enough. I have alluded to it before. Consistency, making pro throws. Both of these guys often have looked very good on isolated plays, especially Winston recently. But there is a skill to repeatability. Winston and Mariota fail here. It is a difficult skill to master. Both of these guys will not make it much further in the NFL, imo. They are unable to repeat at a high pct their winning throws. If you can't do that in the NFL, it is questionable whether you can even be a useful backup.
I think you are generally right. The developmental phase for these guys is over. Maybe some thought, since Winston flashed potential, that Arians could make him good NOW. But he can't. Winston is still bad. I agree they will move on from him and maybe he gets a shot in one or two more spots from a needy or desperate team. Both these guys are just not NFL QBs. They have had plenty of opportunity.