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Mahomes displaced knee cap

bhill410 : 10/17/2019 11:14 pm
But no fracture.

Canít say if I have any idea if that is season ending but doesnít sound positive.
Congrats New England Patriots on your 7th Super Bowl victory!  
BestFeature : 10/17/2019 11:20 pm : link
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Isnít that what happened to Cruz in Philadelphia?  
The_Boss : 10/17/2019 11:34 pm : link
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RE: Isnít that what happened to Cruz in Philadelphia?  
outeiroj : 10/17/2019 11:36 pm : link
In comment 14632448 The_Boss said:
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he tore his patella tendon which is worse... but also resulted in a dislocated kneecap if memory serves me correct... but it was the tendon that took all that time to heal
A dislocated knee cap, by itself, isn't t that bad of an injury  
sb from NYT Forum : 10/17/2019 11:46 pm : link
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I've dislocated my kneecap a dozen times  
Tom in DC : 10/17/2019 11:47 pm : link
My left one 11 times or so and my right one once. It typically happened when I would pivot and turn quickly to the right. As my body turned on my plant foot my kneecap would slide out of the grove. I got pretty good at relocating it myself, mostly because waiting to have a doctor do it was painful and it stretches the muscles out if its out of place too long. I pretty quickly gave up any of those sports ( I was a decent at swimming/water polo in college). I 43 now and I don't play any fast sports and I haven't had any issues since college.

I have really shallow kneecap groves which made me susceptible to it. Hopefully for Mahomes it was a freak thing (someone fell on it while it was twisted) and it doesn't end up being a recurring thing like it did for me. I had to give up basically every sport that involved running and turning (basketball, soccer, all the sports) It sounds like it was re-located pretty quickly which should help his recovery. The quad muscles and pateller tendon weren't stretched for too long.

Also, this is different to what happened to Victor Cruz. He tore his pateller tendon which requires surgery to be reattached.
Isnít there a pretty high likelihood of recurrence  
Dave in PA : 10/17/2019 11:55 pm : link
With a dislocated knee cap? This does not sound like a ďnot so badĒ injury. Mahomes might be knee brace bound for a long time.
I like Didi  
Dave in PA : 10/17/2019 11:56 pm : link
He came up so huge in Cleveland back in 2017, but I think itís time to move on from him.
RE: Isnít there a pretty high likelihood of recurrence  
LauderdaleMatty : 10/18/2019 12:00 am : link
In comment 14632479 Dave in PA said:
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With a dislocated knee cap? This does not sound like a ďnot so badĒ injury. Mahomes might be knee brace bound for a long time.


Certainly more possible if thereís soft tissue damage too
Eli?  
Saos1n : 10/18/2019 12:17 am : link
Heís better than Matt Moore, no?
Was it  
phil in arizona : 10/18/2019 2:24 am : link
his plant knee?
How do you lose a friggin knee cap?  
short lease : 10/18/2019 4:45 am : link

Unbelievable ....
From what my friend told me who has this injury  
Tuckrule : 10/18/2019 6:03 am : link
3-6 weeks recovery time
RE: From what my friend told me who has this injury  
Diver_Down : 10/18/2019 6:30 am : link
In comment 14632534 Tuckrule said:
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3-6 weeks recovery time


Kind of difficult to determine a recovery time without knowing the extent of the damage. The x-ray just showed no fracture. The staff knew it was dislocated. But no one knows the extent of ligament damage (if any) without an MRI that will be done today.
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Mdgiantsfan : 10/18/2019 6:55 am : link
Here comes a new rule to protect against these types of injuries 🤦🏾‍♂️
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Diver_Down : 10/18/2019 7:03 am : link
In comment 14632541 Mdgiantsfan said:
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Here comes a new rule to protect against these types of injuries 🤦🏾‍♂️


Reid usually reserves his bad coaching decisions for the playoffs, but in this case, he opted to have Mahomes on a gimpy ankle dive head first into a melee of men crashing into a concentrated area. What could possibly go wrong?
Here comes the ones trying to dump Eli ASAP  
micky : 10/18/2019 7:03 am : link
Lol
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RE: Here comes the ones trying to dump Eli ASAP  
Diver_Down : 10/18/2019 7:08 am : link
In comment 14632544 micky said:
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It didn't take even that long as some postulated it on the game thread. The better choice for the Chiefs is to sign Kaepernick. The Hunt family said 2 years ago that they wouldn't have a problem signing Colin. He is a better athlete to run Reid's system.
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joeinpa : 10/18/2019 7:28 am : link
In comment 14632543 Diver_Down said:
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Here comes a new rule to protect against these types of injuries 🤦🏾‍♂️



Reid usually reserves his bad coaching decisions for the playoffs, but in this case, he opted to have Mahomes on a gimpy ankle dive head first into a melee of men crashing into a concentrated area. What could possibly go wrong?


Donít think his gimpy ankle had anything to do with that injury, just got hit the wrong way. Hard to see how you blame a coach for that, sneaks are run all over the league every week
hmm  
giantfan2000 : 10/18/2019 7:46 am : link
what willl KC do for QB now

too bad there are no decent mobile QB available
(cough cough)
I wanted Kaepernick to get another shot as much as anyone  
Oscar : 10/18/2019 7:53 am : link
But when a guy gets blackballed by the league you reach a point where itís no longer a viable option. Kaepernick hasnít played football since the 2016 season, how is he supposed to come in an help the Chiefs?

If Mahomes misses serious time or the rest of the season I think thatís a wrap on the AFC. Itís crazy because I donít even think the Patriots are that good this season but they have absolutely no competition.
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Diver_Down : 10/18/2019 8:11 am : link
In comment 14632551 joeinpa said:
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Here comes a new rule to protect against these types of injuries 🤦🏾‍♂️



Reid usually reserves his bad coaching decisions for the playoffs, but in this case, he opted to have Mahomes on a gimpy ankle dive head first into a melee of men crashing into a concentrated area. What could possibly go wrong?



Donít think his gimpy ankle had anything to do with that injury, just got hit the wrong way. Hard to see how you blame a coach for that, sneaks are run all over the league every week


The ankle didn't have anything to do with the specific knee injury. But the point was that your franchise QB is already dealing with an ankle. A decision to attempt to extend the drive instead of taking the points is the failure by Reid. Was he that afraid of a Flaaco led offense that he couldn't settle for 3 points?
The kneecap displaced laterally, which in normal circumstances can  
732NYG : 10/18/2019 8:23 am : link
be related to the ankle injury for sure, but since his was injured during a QB sneak, I doubt it had much to do with the knee. Tough to tell how long heíll be out. If ligament damage was limited, he could play next week. If he actually tore ligaments or injured his patellar tendon or the cartilage on the patella, it could be awhile. I guess weíll see.
The Chiefs should be uber careful here  
DavidinBMNY : 10/18/2019 8:50 am : link
He's a franchise player, maybe the top player in the league. Honestly he probably shouldn't have been playing on that ankle anyway. They really should let both real up so compensating injuries don't occur.

Regardless of the season or record they should be very very careful.
I've done it several times  
WillieYoung : 10/18/2019 8:57 am : link
Ligaments will usually just stretch, not tear; there will be fluid on the knee that will be drained.

Based on my experience, and not any medical degree, if it's a re-occurring condition caused by a structural problem (knee cap rides "high in the saddle"), there is a surgery (lengthen the outside ligaments, shorten the inside ligaments). I bring that up only because there didn't appear to be much if any torque on the knee when the injury occurred. If he has that surgery he won't be back until next year.
Said 3 weeks on WFAN this morning...  
BillKo : 10/18/2019 9:05 am : link
...with MRI pending to make sure no additional damage.

I  
AcidTest : 10/18/2019 9:22 am : link
don't see the Chiefs trading for Eli because of this injury, especially if Mahomes can play in four weeks.
CK is a 'mobile QB'  
giants#1 : 10/18/2019 9:26 am : link
beyond that he has nothing in common with Mahomes and the last time he was on the football field lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.
Hopefully, this stretch without Mahomes will teach Andy that football  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 9:28 am : link
teams are allowed to run the ball a bit and put the QB under center once in a while. The way they were playing offense was exposing Mahomes to too many hits and possible injuries and that doesn't even have anything to do with what happened to him last night.
RE: CK is a 'mobile QB'  
Eli Wilson : 10/18/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14632599 giants#1 said:
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beyond that he has nothing in common with Mahomes and the last time he was on the football field lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.


I almost typed the same exact thing. If you haven't played in a couple years and lost your job to Blaine Gabbert when you last played, it might be time to hang up the cleats.
RE: RE: CK is a 'mobile QB'  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 10:01 am : link
In comment 14632614 Eli Wilson said:
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beyond that he has nothing in common with Mahomes and the last time he was on the football field lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.



I almost typed the same exact thing. If you haven't played in a couple years and lost your job to Blaine Gabbert when you last played, it might be time to hang up the cleats.


To be fair, that's not the most accurate portrayal of what happened. CK lost the job to Gabbert in 2015, then it was discovered he needed season-ending shoulder surgery. The next year after replacing Gabbert mid-season as the starter, he put up far superior numbers to Gabbert's. CK was clearly the better QB when healthy.
The Colin Kaepernick stuff is funny.  
Britt in VA : 10/18/2019 10:09 am : link
You have to actually want to play in order to be signed.
He was 'superior'  
giants#1 : 10/18/2019 10:18 am : link
because Gabbert isn't even a quality backup.

Kaepernick's superior numbers in 2016 were:

Record: 1-10 (vs 1-4)
Comp%: 59.2% vs 56.9%
Yds/Game: 187 yds vs 155 yds
TD/game: 1.3 vs 0.8
INT/game: 0.3 vs 1.0
Sacks/game: 3 vs 2 (advantage Gabbert)

And CK was slightly better rushing with ~10 more ypg on 1 less carry/game, though Gabbert had the same 2 rushing TDs in half the games.

For comparison, as a rookie DJ is at 60.7% with 1 TD/game, 1.2 INT/game, 184 yds/game, 2 sacks/game, 2 rushing TDs, but about half the rushing yards (and carries) per game. And more importantly, twice as many wins as CK. Forget about his 6th season in the league, is there anyone here that would be happy with DJ producing at this level next season?
RE: The Colin Kaepernick stuff is funny.  
giants#1 : 10/18/2019 10:20 am : link
In comment 14632636 Britt in VA said:
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You have to actually want to play in order to be signed.


That too. Probably gets more in endorsements by maintaining the perception he's been blackballed, then he would actually make by returning.
RE: He was 'superior'  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 10:31 am : link
In comment 14632645 giants#1 said:
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because Gabbert isn't even a quality backup.

Kaepernick's superior numbers in 2016 were:

Record: 1-10 (vs 1-4)
Comp%: 59.2% vs 56.9%
Yds/Game: 187 yds vs 155 yds
TD/game: 1.3 vs 0.8
INT/game: 0.3 vs 1.0
Sacks/game: 3 vs 2 (advantage Gabbert)

And CK was slightly better rushing with ~10 more ypg on 1 less carry/game, though Gabbert had the same 2 rushing TDs in half the games.

For comparison, as a rookie DJ is at 60.7% with 1 TD/game, 1.2 INT/game, 184 yds/game, 2 sacks/game, 2 rushing TDs, but about half the rushing yards (and carries) per game. And more importantly, twice as many wins as CK. Forget about his 6th season in the league, is there anyone here that would be happy with DJ producing at this level next season?


I know people hate CK, but nice try with this pile of nonsense. CK had 16 TDs and 4 INTs with a higher completion percentage while Gabbert had 5 TDs and 6 INTs (in half the attempts).

SF was dead last in points allowed, so yeah, they lost games regardless of who the starter was.
Pile of nonsense?  
giants#1 : 10/18/2019 10:39 am : link
1. Those are his actual stats on a per game basis. Nothing is distorted.
2. I couldn't care less about CK's politics

Would you be happy if DJ develops into a career 60% passer with 1.3 TDs/game (~21-22 over 16 games) and 210 yards/game (3400 yards over 16 games)? I'm pretty sure if DJ's numbers aren't better than that next season, people here will be tossing the bust label around.

RE: Pile of nonsense?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14632669 giants#1 said:
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1. Those are his actual stats on a per game basis. Nothing is distorted.
2. I couldn't care less about CK's politics

Would you be happy if DJ develops into a career 60% passer with 1.3 TDs/game (~21-22 over 16 games) and 210 yards/game (3400 yards over 16 games)? I'm pretty sure if DJ's numbers aren't better than that next season, people here will be tossing the bust label around.


I never said Colin Kaepernick played well. I just said it's misleading to use him losing his job to Gabbert as a definitive statement about him as a QB when it's clear CK was hurt in 2015 and statistically superior in 2016. No matter how you slice it, there's a big enough gap between 16 TDs/4 INTs and 5 TDs/6 INTs that allows me to say CK was clearly better than Gabbert when both players were healthy. Even if CK's numbers were compiled totally in garbage time, that's a pretty significant difference.
'maintaining the perception he's been blackballed'  
schabadoo : 10/18/2019 11:06 am : link
The NFL paid him millions to settle his lawsuit over being blackballed. The perception seems firmly rooted.
I know some people hate Kaepernick with a burning passion  
FStubbs : 10/18/2019 11:30 am : link
But let's be fair. He was better than Gabbert and it wasn't close.

That being said, 2016 was the last time he played. He was definitely blackballed, but now there's a legitimate football reason not to look his way - it's been too long since he's played.
RE: I've done it several times  
moze1021 : 10/18/2019 1:09 pm : link
In comment 14632582 WillieYoung said:
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Ligaments will usually just stretch, not tear; there will be fluid on the knee that will be drained.

Based on my experience, and not any medical degree, if it's a re-occurring condition caused by a structural problem (knee cap rides "high in the saddle"), there is a surgery (lengthen the outside ligaments, shorten the inside ligaments). I bring that up only because there didn't appear to be much if any torque on the knee when the injury occurred. If he has that surgery he won't be back until next year.


Several times!? Yikes...

I had it happen one time my senior year of high school... was playing basketball at lunch, hit a shot, was hopping backwards to get on D (and maybe showboating a bit) and when I planted left foot to turn and run I felt a pop... looked down and my knee just looked so messed up...

Kneecap got stuck over to the left... 30 minute wait for ambulance, 40 minute drive to hospital, 10-20 minute emergency room wait and shot of painkiller... and then finally an ortho doc came in and popped my kneecap back into place. I remember basically passing out at the relief of pain when he did it...

Everything stretched, nothing snapped.. a few weeks in a knee immobilizer and a few months of physical therapy.

I missed my last varsity baseball game.. that sucked... and constantly had nightmares where I'd wake up feeling the pain again.. that wore off...

I knew other guys who were more like you who had it pop out often and they were pretty nonchalant about it.

Strange how it impacts different people.
Just want to point out something:  
81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2019 3:26 pm : link
Patrick Mahomes, MVP, dislocates his kneecap on a quarterback sneak, will miss at least three games.

Eli Manning was available to start every game for 15 goddam years.
RE: Just want to point out something:  
AndyMilligan : 10/18/2019 3:42 pm : link
In comment 14632853 81_Great_Dane said:
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Patrick Mahomes, MVP, dislocates his kneecap on a quarterback sneak, will miss at least three games.

Eli Manning was available to start every game for 15 goddam years.


Therefore, what? Eli is better or more valuable than Mahomes? Brady once tore an ACL and missed a whole season. Was Eli, in some way, more valuable than Brady? Peyton missed a season. Was Eli more valuable?

There is nobody on planet Earth that would take Eli over Mahomes, Brady or Peyton.
Just to put all of this in context...  
BamaBlue : 10/18/2019 3:47 pm : link
the average weight of a human head is 8 pounds. So, Eli was available for 15 years.
CK wanted $20 million to play in the AAF or XFL  
JohnF : 10/18/2019 4:26 pm : link
He hasn't played in 3 years, and didn't want to prove he still could play. If that's his contract demand (which I suspect), then no NFL Team will pick him up.

Even if Mahomes could come back in 3-4 weeks..well, much of his game is running around. I think we all saw what happened to RG3, and how vulnerable a mobile QB is to getting hits after an injury to his wheels.

If I were KC management, I'd think about shutting him down for the year, and getting Manning or someone else at QB for this year. You just don't mess with a franchise QB, and I'd want Mahomes to be 100%, full mobility.
RE: RE: CK is a 'mobile QB'  
NINEster : 10/18/2019 8:19 pm : link
In comment 14632614 Eli Wilson said:
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beyond that he has nothing in common with Mahomes and the last time he was on the football field lost his job to Blaine Gabbert.



I almost typed the same exact thing. If you haven't played in a couple years and lost your job to Blaine Gabbert when you last played, it might be time to hang up the cleats.


2015 was just a down season overall for SF.

2016 Kap eventually took the job back from Gabbert, even after Gabbert started the season (hence the kneeling).

Reid could probably revive a Kap in such an offense. Kap when he was "good" was doing it with guys who could get open because there were threats everywhere (I.e. can't cover everyone, and have to respect the deep threat). Kap like Smith never played with that level of talent and offensive scheme/coaching. They won on defense in SF, but offense in KC.

It would be interesting to see Kap and rich man's Kap on same team.
RE: I know some people hate Kaepernick with a burning passion  
NINEster : 10/18/2019 8:32 pm : link
In comment 14632718 FStubbs said:
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But let's be fair. He was better than Gabbert and it wasn't close.

That being said, 2016 was the last time he played. He was definitely blackballed, but now there's a legitimate football reason not to look his way - it's been too long since he's played.


Could have been better than Wilson under ideal circumstances.

For the first 2-3 years, I think he was better than Wilson. Not by much, but he had to carry the team more on a PPG and YPG basis than Wilson did up until 2014.

Wilson prevailed ultimately largely for two reasons - maturity and a far better long term situation. But for a moment it was neck and neck.
I got forced to join my union.....  
thrunthrublue : 10/18/2019 10:11 pm : link
Which in retrospect, was a better decision than having my kneecaps broken. Whew!
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81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2019 11:58 pm : link
In comment 14632861 AndyMilligan said:
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Patrick Mahomes, MVP, dislocates his kneecap on a quarterback sneak, will miss at least three games.

Eli Manning was available to start every game for 15 goddam years.



Therefore, what? Eli is better or more valuable than Mahomes?.
Nope. Didnít say that. Just that what Eli did was goddam incredible.
RE: hmm  
Jay in Toronto : 10/19/2019 7:44 am : link
In comment 14632557 giantfan2000 said:
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what willl KC do for QB now

too bad there are no decent mobile QB available
(cough cough)


I thought they have a guy sitting behind him and learning?
RE: How do you lose a friggin knee cap?  
short lease : 10/20/2019 5:41 pm : link
In comment 14632526 short lease said:
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Unbelievable ....



Sorry - thought you said "misplaced".
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