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JeffAces28 : 10/18/2019 9:19 am
last night was one of the worst baseball games I have ever watched.

Need to pray for a win tonight and that the Astros dont pitch Cole in game 6
As someone with no dog in the fight  
figgy2989 : 10/18/2019 9:23 am : link
I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.



Felt the Yankees had Greinke on the ropes  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2019 9:26 am : link
in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.
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BillKo : 10/18/2019 9:31 am : link
In comment 14632597 figgy2989 said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.




They are certainly saving Cole for a Game 7, on full rest.

Didn't really understand the premise Houston was making a mistake pitching Grenke and Verlander as they have done.

Seemed Yankee fans, wanting the Astros to save Verlander until Game 6, were assuming yesterday was a win and tonight minus Verlander would be a gimme.

Why not pitch your #2 and #3 on the road and try to gather wins, while saving your ace?
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MadPlaid : 10/18/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14632597 figgy2989 said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.

If I was Hinch, I would not hesitate to start Cole in game 6. It is always the best move to go with your best first. Don't worry about what could happen, bury them now! That's what I think is going to happen, so it is unlikely in my mind that the Yanks pull this out. Too steep a hill to climb at this point. Sucks.
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:34 am : link
In comment 14632597 figgy2989 said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.




1. Yanks are done. I've been there Tuesday and last night and this team is completely shot. Houston is far better than them in all phases. Pitching, hitting, defense. Houston does all better. For a bunch of "savages" they sure have a ton of non-competitive at bats.

2. No way Hinch pitches Cole on short rest if Yanks somehow beat Verlander (LOL) tonight.

3. Its been a good season but this roster is horribly flawed. Having no lefties that scare you is ridiculous. Having 13 pitchers on the roster is ridiculous. Rigid adherence to the same lineup is ridiculous. Need to realize that its not a computer simulation and that "hot" and "slump" are real things.

4. Giancarlo Stanton better play tonight or else they need to eat whatever they have to and get rid of him. The Carl Pavano of Outfielders.
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mfsd : 10/18/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14632600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.


Story of the series. Yanks have had each Astros starter on the ropes early, but only broke through in game 1
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:35 am : link
In comment 14632603 MadPlaid said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.



If I was Hinch, I would not hesitate to start Cole in game 6. It is always the best move to go with your best first. Don't worry about what could happen, bury them now! That's what I think is going to happen, so it is unlikely in my mind that the Yanks pull this out. Too steep a hill to climb at this point. Sucks.


He would be on short rest. Makes zero sense with a 3-2 lead. Down 3-2, fine.
RE: Felt the Yankees had Greinke on the ropes  
MadPlaid : 10/18/2019 9:36 am : link
In comment 14632600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.

That was my thinking too last night. Once Sanchez struck out on only 3 pitches, I knew the Yanks missed their opportunity. Letting them off the hook killed it for the Yankees last night.
Pitching wins championships  
DC Gmen Fan : 10/18/2019 9:37 am : link
You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:38 am : link
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in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.



Story of the series. Yanks have had each Astros starter on the ropes early, but only broke through in game 1


Everyone will talk about starting pitching but the reality is that the Yankees hitters have not hit as well as Houston's and the Yankees relievers have not pitched as well as Houston's.
Justlurking  
MadPlaid : 10/18/2019 9:39 am : link
I didn't know it would be short rest for Cole in Game 6. Yeah, less likely he pitches then. But, I bet Hinch will seriously consider it.
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:39 am : link
In comment 14632609 DC Gmen Fan said:
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.


Tanaka went deeper into the game then Greinke last night.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 9:40 am : link
In comment 14632600 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.


Can't make the game all about that one AB. They had bases loaded, 1 out in the 5th inning against a reliever who's basically been Houston's version of Ottavino (9 hits in 1.2 innings) in the postseason. Torres and EE struck out. Yanks had plenty of chances yesterday and the failures were widespread. Even Judge struck out twice with RISP.
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DC Gmen Fan : 10/18/2019 9:42 am : link
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.



Tanaka went deeper into the game then Greinke last night.


I was referring more to game 2,3
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shyster : 10/18/2019 9:44 am : link
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They are certainly saving Cole for a Game 7, on full rest.

Didn't really understand the premise Houston was making a mistake pitching Grenke and Verlander as they have done.

Seemed Yankee fans, wanting the Astros to save Verlander until Game 6, were assuming yesterday was a win and tonight minus Verlander would be a gimme.

Why not pitch your #2 and #3 on the road and try to gather wins, while saving your ace?


I noticed many posters happy with Astros putting Verlander in Game 5, on the theory Yanks will have a better chance of beating him here and they have to beat him anyway.

Bettors think so. Yanks are betting favorites tonight. That would not be true if they had to face Verlander in Game 6 in Houston.

If Yanks win tonight, I do guess Houston will go Urquidy/bullpen in Game 6 and save Cole.

But when Houston announced Verlander for Game 5, it was possible they could have been going home down 2-3 and almost certainly having to pitch Cole on short rest in Game 6.
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:47 am : link
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.



Tanaka went deeper into the game then Greinke last night.



I was referring more to game 2,3


Ok, so games 1 and 3 the Yankees starter went deeper into the game. Game 2 they were tied 2-2 and went into extras. The problem is that the Yankees "savages" have not done ANYTHING against middling relievers like Joe Smith, Will Harris, Ryan Pressly and Josh James and when Greinke, Verlander and Cole are clearly struggling. They swing at garbage. No command of the strike zone and way too impatient at the plate. Hideous approaches.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 9:47 am : link
In comment 14632609 DC Gmen Fan said:
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.


Yanks' hitters have just been terrible with terrible approaches at the plate. Verlander and Cole weren't their usual dominant selves, yet the Yankees still couldn't hit them with guys looking at strikes and swinging at balls. EE somehow managed to draw a walk in the first inning last night with a head-scratching PA in which he didn't swing at 2 pitches right over the plate, then barely managed to reach after getting close calls.

In other news, A-Rod killed the Yankees front office guys after the game for their analytical machinations with the lineup. His point was that if guys come to the park and don't know if they're playing or where they're hitting, it makes the game even more difficult. IDK if he's right, but I found the take interesting.
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JeffAces28 : 10/18/2019 9:48 am : link
In comment 14632597 figgy2989 said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.





The way the Yankees are playing i tink he would want to save him if he could
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Carson53 : 10/18/2019 9:52 am : link
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.






1. Yanks are done. I've been there Tuesday and last night and this team is completely shot. Houston is far better than them in all phases. Pitching, hitting, defense. Houston does all better. For a bunch of "savages" they sure have a ton of non-competitive at bats.

2. No way Hinch pitches Cole on short rest if Yanks somehow beat Verlander (LOL) tonight.

3. Its been a good season but this roster is horribly flawed. Having no lefties that scare you is ridiculous. Having 13 pitchers on the roster is ridiculous. Rigid adherence to the same lineup is ridiculous. Need to realize that its not a computer simulation and that "hot" and "slump" are real things.

4. Giancarlo Stanton better play tonight or else they need to eat whatever they have to and get rid of him. The Carl Pavano of Outfielders.
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4) Don't know how you eat eight years on that contract,
it's not done in a vacuum. You still have another year
to pay the other albatross contract in Ellsbury.
They have some decisions to make on the rest of the roster as well. Didi, Chapman (if he opts out),
what about Betances, what about other free agents.
It's not that simple. Stanton can opt out after next season, highly doubt that will happen.
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 9:52 am : link
In comment 14632626 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.



Yanks' hitters have just been terrible with terrible approaches at the plate. Verlander and Cole weren't their usual dominant selves, yet the Yankees still couldn't hit them with guys looking at strikes and swinging at balls. EE somehow managed to draw a walk in the first inning last night with a head-scratching PA in which he didn't swing at 2 pitches right over the plate, then barely managed to reach after getting close calls.

In other news, A-Rod killed the Yankees front office guys after the game for their analytical machinations with the lineup. His point was that if guys come to the park and don't know if they're playing or where they're hitting, it makes the game even more difficult. IDK if he's right, but I found the take interesting.


Agree 100% on 1st paragraph. This is on the "savages"
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Justlurking : 10/18/2019 10:04 am : link
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.






1. Yanks are done. I've been there Tuesday and last night and this team is completely shot. Houston is far better than them in all phases. Pitching, hitting, defense. Houston does all better. For a bunch of "savages" they sure have a ton of non-competitive at bats.

2. No way Hinch pitches Cole on short rest if Yanks somehow beat Verlander (LOL) tonight.

3. Its been a good season but this roster is horribly flawed. Having no lefties that scare you is ridiculous. Having 13 pitchers on the roster is ridiculous. Rigid adherence to the same lineup is ridiculous. Need to realize that its not a computer simulation and that "hot" and "slump" are real things.

4. Giancarlo Stanton better play tonight or else they need to eat whatever they have to and get rid of him. The Carl Pavano of Outfielders.

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4) Don't know how you eat eight years on that contract,
it's not done in a vacuum. You still have another year
to pay the other albatross contract in Ellsbury.
They have some decisions to make on the rest of the roster as well. Didi, Chapman (if he opts out),
what about Betances, what about other free agents.
It's not that simple. Stanton can opt out after next season, highly doubt that will happen.


They need to explore all options. LOL that Ellsbury is still under contract. Unreal. That said, its not a factor as its insured and as long as he's injured they get approx 80% reimbursed I believe.

You cant pay big money to betances and if Chapman opts out they should just roll with Britton. Chapman's losing velocity and command. Scares me to commit longterm again.
This may have been mentioned. I haven't read all of the posts on this  
Ira : 10/18/2019 10:15 am : link
thread. But another reason for Houston to hold Cole until game 7 is that if Houston wins in game 6, Cole can start the first game of the World Series.
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Carson53 : 10/18/2019 10:24 am : link
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.






1. Yanks are done. I've been there Tuesday and last night and this team is completely shot. Houston is far better than them in all phases. Pitching, hitting, defense. Houston does all better. For a bunch of "savages" they sure have a ton of non-competitive at bats.

2. No way Hinch pitches Cole on short rest if Yanks somehow beat Verlander (LOL) tonight.

3. Its been a good season but this roster is horribly flawed. Having no lefties that scare you is ridiculous. Having 13 pitchers on the roster is ridiculous. Rigid adherence to the same lineup is ridiculous. Need to realize that its not a computer simulation and that "hot" and "slump" are real things.

4. Giancarlo Stanton better play tonight or else they need to eat whatever they have to and get rid of him. The Carl Pavano of Outfielders.

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4) Don't know how you eat eight years on that contract,
it's not done in a vacuum. You still have another year
to pay the other albatross contract in Ellsbury.
They have some decisions to make on the rest of the roster as well. Didi, Chapman (if he opts out),
what about Betances, what about other free agents.
It's not that simple. Stanton can opt out after next season, highly doubt that will happen.



They need to explore all options. LOL that Ellsbury is still under contract. Unreal. That said, its not a factor as its insured and as long as he's injured they get approx 80% reimbursed I believe.

You cant pay big money to betances and if Chapman opts out they should just roll with Britton. Chapman's losing velocity and command. Scares me to commit longterm again.
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The insurance on Ellsbury's contract does not help for
payroll or luxury tax purposes, two different things
really. He would still be on the books for 21 mill.
or whatever it is.
It helps the organization financially.
I am not saying paying big money to anybody actually, just saying they have decisions to make.
Maybe they try to add a year to Chapman's contract.
I mean his contract was 'front loaded'. He is only owed
30 Mill. for the next two seasons. I would only offer Betances a one year prove it deal myself.
Basically a lost season for him, timing is everything.
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JeffAces28 : 10/18/2019 10:29 am : link
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in the first. He walks home Gardner & then Sanchez strikes out on 3 pitches. That seemed like a backbreaker.



Story of the series. Yanks have had each Astros starter on the ropes early, but only broke through in game 1


exactly, we could've swept them just didn't come through when we need to
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rnargi : 10/18/2019 10:35 am : link
In comment 14632626 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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You cant piecemeal together a complete game using bullpens arms. I mean you can but not over a short series. And you leave yourself zero options for extra innings.



Yanks' hitters have just been terrible with terrible approaches at the plate. Verlander and Cole weren't their usual dominant selves, yet the Yankees still couldn't hit them with guys looking at strikes and swinging at balls. EE somehow managed to draw a walk in the first inning last night with a head-scratching PA in which he didn't swing at 2 pitches right over the plate, then barely managed to reach after getting close calls.

In other news, A-Rod killed the Yankees front office guys after the game for their analytical machinations with the lineup. His point was that if guys come to the park and don't know if they're playing or where they're hitting, it makes the game even more difficult. IDK if he's right, but I found the take interesting.


I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Stanton trade was the stupidest thing this club has done in a very long time. There was simply no need for him. None. He's added absolutely nothing that we didn't already have. I'm sorry, I know this is not ANALYTICS, but home runs generally do not beat plus pitching in a short series. And Houston has PLUS plus pitching. The Yanks so far in this series have 8 extra base hits...SIX home runs and 2 doubles. They have struck out more than 30% of their ABs. 8 of thier 13 runs scored over the 4 games have come from HRs. Greater than 60%. You cannot rely on that against the likes of the Astros. EE, Gary, Gio, Didi, and Gardner are all hitting below .166 for the series. Hicks in his short tenure is batting less than .190. The TEAM batting average is .204. The TEAM OBP is .293. the TEAM sluggin percentage is .352(!), and the TEAM OPS is .645. That's over 142 at bats...a statistically significant number. They have 18 walks, which is the only stat that nears average for them. But 43 Ks in 142 ABs. Just wow...the offense is offensive.
Judge  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2019 10:44 am : link
I believe it was the 4th or 5th inning and Greinke hung a slider that completely missed. It was ball 3 and a huge opportunity. Judge should have launched that. Huge turning point...

Pathetic performance so far from the Yankee bats. Not even going down fighting.

Cashman should have done whatever it took to get MadBum...
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Post Time : 10/18/2019 10:47 am : link
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Stanton trade was the stupidest thing this club has done in a very long time. There was simply no need for him. None. He's added absolutely nothing that we didn't already have. I'm sorry, I know this is not ANALYTICS, but home runs generally do not beat plus pitching in a short series. And Houston has PLUS plus pitching. The Yanks so far in this series have 8 extra base hits...SIX home runs and 2 doubles. They have struck out more than 30% of their ABs. 8 of thier 13 runs scored over the 4 games have come from HRs. Greater than 60%. You cannot rely on that against the likes of the Astros. EE, Gary, Gio, Didi, and Gardner are all hitting below .166 for the series. Hicks in his short tenure is batting less than .190. The TEAM batting average is .204. The TEAM OBP is .293. the TEAM sluggin percentage is .352(!), and the TEAM OPS is .645. That's over 142 at bats...a statistically significant number. They have 18 walks, which is the only stat that nears average for them. But 43 Ks in 142 ABs. Just wow...the offense is offensive.


If the Yankees didn't get Stanton they would have gotten Harper, who we didn't need, either.

Time to go full youth. Bye bye Didi and Gardy. CC already made the decision to retire.
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rnargi : 10/18/2019 10:52 am : link
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Stanton trade was the stupidest thing this club has done in a very long time. There was simply no need for him. None. He's added absolutely nothing that we didn't already have. I'm sorry, I know this is not ANALYTICS, but home runs generally do not beat plus pitching in a short series. And Houston has PLUS plus pitching. The Yanks so far in this series have 8 extra base hits...SIX home runs and 2 doubles. They have struck out more than 30% of their ABs. 8 of thier 13 runs scored over the 4 games have come from HRs. Greater than 60%. You cannot rely on that against the likes of the Astros. EE, Gary, Gio, Didi, and Gardner are all hitting below .166 for the series. Hicks in his short tenure is batting less than .190. The TEAM batting average is .204. The TEAM OBP is .293. the TEAM sluggin percentage is .352(!), and the TEAM OPS is .645. That's over 142 at bats...a statistically significant number. They have 18 walks, which is the only stat that nears average for them. But 43 Ks in 142 ABs. Just wow...the offense is offensive.



If the Yankees didn't get Stanton they would have gotten Harper, who we didn't need, either.

Time to go full youth. Bye bye Didi and Gardy. CC already made the decision to retire.


You are probably right..and I don't think they needed either. I held my breath all offseason hoping they'd stay away from Machado and Harper. They need more DJLMs. More Gardy's in his prime.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/18/2019 11:20 am : link
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The Stanton trade was the stupidest thing this club has done in a very long time. There was simply no need for him. None. He's added absolutely nothing that we didn't already have. I'm sorry, I know this is not ANALYTICS, but home runs generally do not beat plus pitching in a short series. And Houston has PLUS plus pitching. The Yanks so far in this series have 8 extra base hits...SIX home runs and 2 doubles. They have struck out more than 30% of their ABs. 8 of thier 13 runs scored over the 4 games have come from HRs. Greater than 60%. You cannot rely on that against the likes of the Astros. EE, Gary, Gio, Didi, and Gardner are all hitting below .166 for the series. Hicks in his short tenure is batting less than .190. The TEAM batting average is .204. The TEAM OBP is .293. the TEAM sluggin percentage is .352(!), and the TEAM OPS is .645. That's over 142 at bats...a statistically significant number. They have 18 walks, which is the only stat that nears average for them. But 43 Ks in 142 ABs. Just wow...the offense is offensive.


They didn't need him, but I can understand why they felt the need to do the deal.

- They got him for nothing.
- He was coming off a MVP season
- He was only 28 years-old going into 2018.
- In his 4 healthy seasons in Miami, he put up monstrous numbers.

The problem isn't really about who the team is or it's make-up. It's about them simply not getting the job done when opportunities present itself, regardless of who the player is. The Astros, OTOH, have gotten the job done. Gardner had the 3rd lowest K% on the team during the regular season (and below league average), yet he's tied for the team lead in strikeouts this postseason. Urshela has less strikeouts than any of the regulars this postseason and his numbers still stink.

Look at the example of Sevy throwing a hanging slider to Josh Reddick in game 3. Reddick has been awful this postseason, but he hit the ball in the stands. You get an opportunity against a good pitcher... you gotta get the job done. Last night, Gleyber swings at the first pitch from Grienke in the first inning. Normally, that wouldn't look good. But he swung at a get me over curve that was middle-middle. He just popped the damn thing up. You gotta get the job done. In Sanchez' 1st AB with the bases loaded, he got a belt high inner half 91 MPH fastball and he missed it. One team is not missing mistakes and the other team is either not swinging at them or not doing any damage with them. It's really that simple.

EE is a guy who even with his K% and BB% often gave quality ABs during the regular season. He looks completely lost at the plate now.
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Mad Mike : 10/18/2019 11:30 am : link
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Bettors think so. Yanks are betting favorites tonight. That would not be true if they had to face Verlander in Game 6 in Houston.

Yankees opened as favorites, but the odds have moved to Houston as the favorite.
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shyster : 10/18/2019 1:26 pm : link
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Yankees opened as favorites, but the odds have moved to Houston as the favorite. lonk - ( New Window )


Thanks, that's a significant swing.

In any event, still the case that Yanks would be much greater underdogs going bullpen vs Verlander in Game 6 in Houston.

Paxton vs Verlander at the Stadium and bullpen vs bullpen in Houston are both plausible wins for NYY. When you have to win both games, that is arguably more desirable for NYY than the alternative scenario.
I am all for building a dynasty and would not advocate trading  
Jim in Hoboken : 10/18/2019 1:36 pm : link
prospects for a shot at WS because baseball is so unpredictable. However, if Cash doesnít plan on giving the prospects playing time, then whatís the point of keeping them. Can Frazierís value be any lower right now? It sucks that there is a Yankees tax, but maybe teams around the league will get sick of the Astros dominance and starts stiffing them on trades too.
It gets down to basics at this point  
BigBluesman : 10/18/2019 1:59 pm : link
they haven't taken advantage of pitching mistakes, Houston has. Time to pick up the pieces and try to do better today. Most would agree that Houston is the better club and be unsurprised if they advance. As a Yankee fan, I hope they win this game to play another one! I've enjoyed this team immensely this season despite the past week.
It feels like a bigger gap because you're too close to it  
jcn56 : 10/18/2019 2:12 pm : link
as a fan. In reality - it's a handful of plays executed better by the Astros than the Yankees.

By the 6th inning yesterday, the game felt hopeless and out of reach - but were still only down by 3 and they were outhit 6 to 5 (or something like that). Springer's home run was the difference.

It wasn't a complete beatdown, it was better execution on a number of plays where Houston capitalized on Yankee mistakes, which the Yankees weren't able to do when Houston messed up. Injuries sure as shit didn't help and Sanchez and Didi coming in cold didn't either, along with EE losing his swing entirely.

I'm hopeful the sense of urgency tonight spurs an improvement and we get to watch at least a Game 6, if not a 7. The team still has a lot of upside and has money to play with next season, hopefully the staff ace they so desperately need lands for 2020.
They've been Jecky and Hyde  
Jay in Toronto : 10/18/2019 2:24 pm : link
re RISP in last 3 games
think about this .... NO German....  
Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) : 10/18/2019 2:29 pm : link
No Betances...
No Tauchman...

Encar,Hicks,Sanchez, and Stanton all coming over injuries and are rusty...

Yes it sounds like an exucse, but these guys are not at their best right now.
Houston is an excellent team  
RasputinPrime : 10/18/2019 2:51 pm : link
but we are better. It is now up to the players and staff to prove that.

I've got my snacks and i'm ready to go. Great victory possible only through great adversity.
Finally  
JeffAces28 : 10/18/2019 3:23 pm : link

1. DJ LeMahieu (R) 1B
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF
3. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) DH
5. Aaron Hicks (S) CF
6. Gary Sanchez (R) C
7. Didi Gregorius (L) SS
8. Gio Urshela (R) 3B
9. Brett Gardner (L) LF
RE: Houston is an excellent team  
jonnyess : 10/18/2019 3:27 pm : link
In comment 14632838 RasputinPrime said:
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but we are better. It is now up to the players and staff to prove that.

I've got my snacks and i'm ready to go. Great victory possible only through great adversity.


Dream another dream.

Hey...if its any consolation....if this were the WNBA, they would be hoisting a "103 WINS - 2019" banner on top of the stadium :-))
RE: RE: Houston is an excellent team  
JeffAces28 : 10/18/2019 3:49 pm : link
In comment 14632854 jonnyess said:
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In comment 14632838 RasputinPrime said:


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but we are better. It is now up to the players and staff to prove that.

I've got my snacks and i'm ready to go. Great victory possible only through great adversity.



Dream another dream.

Hey...if its any consolation....if this were the WNBA, they would be hoisting a "103 WINS - 2019" banner on top of the stadium :-))



We do not need this negative attitude
RE: think about this .... NO German....  
Nine-Tails : 10/18/2019 3:53 pm : link
In comment 14632826 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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No Betances...
No Tauchman...

Encar,Hicks,Sanchez, and Stanton all coming over injuries and are rusty...

Yes it sounds like an exucse, but these guys are not at their best right now.


Yep, said the same thing yesterday. The guys coming back didn't get to rehab and were thrown into action. In hindsight, Ford and Wade should've been on the roster and Romine playing.
RE: RE: As someone with no dog in the fight  
Photoguy : 10/18/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14632604 Justlurking said:
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I would be curious to see how Hinch handles who starts in Game 6 should the Yanks win tonight.

Would he hold off Cole for Game 7 or immediately go to him on Saturday and try to close it out. Reason being if the Yanks were to beat Verlander and Cole in games 5 and 6, you have to think the Astros would be completely deflated for a Game 7 after their two aces lost on back to back nights.






1. Yanks are done. I've been there Tuesday and last night and this team is completely shot. Houston is far better than them in all phases. Pitching, hitting, defense. Houston does all better. For a bunch of "savages" they sure have a ton of non-competitive at bats.

2. No way Hinch pitches Cole on short rest if Yanks somehow beat Verlander (LOL) tonight.

3. Its been a good season but this roster is horribly flawed. Having no lefties that scare you is ridiculous. Having 13 pitchers on the roster is ridiculous. Rigid adherence to the same lineup is ridiculous. Need to realize that its not a computer simulation and that "hot" and "slump" are real things.

4. Giancarlo Stanton better play tonight or else they need to eat whatever they have to and get rid of him. The Carl Pavano of Outfielders.



"The Carl Pavano of outfielders"? WTF?

158 games in 2018, 159 games in 2017, and before that only 1 year where he didn't play 100 games. Criticize him for this year if you want, but don't go equating his durability with Pavano.
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