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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 10:14 am
Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports the finalists for the Philadelphia Phillies managerial job are Dusty Baker, Joe Girardi, and Buck Showalter. Of the three, Girardi and Showalter are perceived to be the favorites to land the job.

If the Mets truly want Girardi, that means the team will have to act quickly as the Phillies are expected to make their decision next week.

On that front, in recent years, the Phillies interest has previously led the Mets to act quickly. In 2017, the Mets hired Mickey Callaway, who was highly coveted by the Phillies, after just one interview. This past offseason, the Mets admitted to including Jarred Kelenic in the trade with the Mariners to keep Edwin Diaz from going to Philadelphia.

While the Mets have acted quickly on Callaway and Diaz, we should not expect the same now with Girardi as Rich Mancuso of NY Sports Day reports that Girardi is not expected to be the Metsí next manager.

With the Mets likely out on Girardi, that leaves Tim Bogar as the sole known managerial candidate the team has interviewed with any Major League experience. And Bogarís experience is not that extensive as he only managed 22 games for the Texas Rangers at the end of the 2014 season.
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DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 10:27 am : link

David Kaplan

@thekapman
Houston source tells me Astros coach Joe Espada had a sensational interview w/Cubs front office. ďHe gave Theo + Jed a lot to think about. They really liked him + came away exceptionally impressed. Was it enough to overcome David Rossís relationship w/Theo and Jed? Weíll see
Phillies  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2019 10:34 am : link
Have the right idea- Dusty, Girardi, Buck. I would love any of those guys for the Mets but we all know its not happening.
Getting rid of Callaway  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 10:34 am : link
and replacing him with another 1st time manager in and of itself is not a bad move.

Many of the most successful managers are first time managers, or were when they became managers with their teams (Boone, Cora, etc.) and were ex-players.

So Beltran replacing Callaway (for example) may actually work out fine.

I just want the reason for Beltran over Girardi to be that the manager selected elicits the most confidence, leadership, and sound strategy not the one most malleable or cheap.

They  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 10:38 am : link
will hire someone cheap who can handle the media and be a yes man. Eduardo Perez was brought in because he checks all 3.
Callaway is not a great manager by any stretch  
Chris684 : 10/18/2019 10:42 am : link
but given the fact this team won 86 games with zero bullpen to speak of and a decent amount of injuries (to non-pitchers), I would have given him the nod over another first time guy who brings no guarantee of being any better.

We knew what Callaway's strengths and weaknesses were. We will have no idea what to expect with guys like Bogar or Perez.

Meanwhile the Phillies are doing exactly what we should be doing. Did we even talk to Buck or Dusty?
Dusty would run our bullpen  
Metnut : 10/18/2019 10:44 am : link
into the ground by June. Met threads would be brutal.

He has a good record, but he's mostly managed stacked and deep teams. Hard pass.
For Girardi's sake  
Carson53 : 10/18/2019 10:47 am : link
I hope the Mets are out on him, hoping he gets the Cubs job
Girardi or Beltran  
ryanmkeane : 10/18/2019 10:47 am : link
anything else would be disappointing. Beltran is really intriguing. But Girardi would probably give us the best chance at a WS for the next 3 seasons.
The  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 10:47 am : link
Mets have not spoken to Showalter, Baker was never contacted by the Mets despite the early buzz.
No thanks to Dusty  
Mike in NY : 10/18/2019 10:49 am : link
Game has really passed him by and his teams in Washington underachieved
The Mets will F this up  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 10:49 am : link
but it's really a no-win.

Dusty? Buck? If those guys are hired and fail it's because the Mets are unimaginative and only hire retreads.

If any of the first time managers are hired and fail it's because the Mets won't pony up the cash to hire a known commodity

Even Girardi has critics.

Almost everyone on here applauded the Callaway hire, almost every wanted him fired, not that he'd been fired you hear a chorus of "I would have kept Callaway"

sure - no one said that in July and almost no one said it in October.

no win situation, and they will F it up.

If the Phillies get Girardi  
Metnut : 10/18/2019 10:51 am : link
and the Cubs get Espada, would be a tough blow for the Mets. You already have loaded Nats, Dodgers and Braves teams to deal with and then you add tougher managers to the next tier of teams. Maybe the Brewers regress, but the NL isn't going to be easy.

It'll be interesting to see how the Mets try to improve and contend in 2020. They missed the play-in game by 3 games and finished 11 games behind Atlanta.

I thought one of the easiest areas to improve would be manager but it's disappointing they don't seem to be too interested in the top candidates.
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pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 10:53 am : link
Michael Mayer
@mikemayerMMO

1h
I will give the Mets credit for interviewing candidates that would be first-time managers.

Failures of Callaway shouldn't automatically eliminate other potential qualified candidates.

We've seen plenty of recent success (8 of 10 2019 playoff) teams) from first-time managers.
Of COURSE they're out on Girardi  
speedywheels : 10/18/2019 11:02 am : link
LOL...
RE: The Mets will F this up  
Chris684 : 10/18/2019 11:08 am : link
In comment 14632682 pjcas18 said:
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but it's really a no-win.

Dusty? Buck? If those guys are hired and fail it's because the Mets are unimaginative and only hire retreads.

If any of the first time managers are hired and fail it's because the Mets won't pony up the cash to hire a known commodity

Even Girardi has critics.

Almost everyone on here applauded the Callaway hire, almost every wanted him fired, not that he'd been fired you hear a chorus of "I would have kept Callaway"

sure - no one said that in July and almost no one said it in October.

no win situation, and they will F it up.


There are always going to be differing opinions on any move you make, but I'm pretty sure the majority of Mets fans feel this organization needs a more credible manager after Mickey.

You have Girardi and Showalter sitting right there. Apparently they're not going to hire one, and they didn't even bother talking to the other because the organization (Jeff Wilpon) was afraid he'd tell them to stay out of his way.

I think a bunch more could be sold on a first time guy who is widely viewed as an up and comer like Espada or Beltran.

They are going to give us Eduardo Perez or Tim Bogar? I'd rather have Callaway.
LOL  
Rory : 10/18/2019 11:10 am : link
ugh...

I guess its Beltran
Girardi is Good But  
Samiam : 10/18/2019 11:12 am : link
Still convinced this team will not pay big bucks for a manager and if they did, it would come at the expense of acquiring players. But, aside from that, Girardi is known as a bullpen whiz. Iím not sure what he would do get Diaz back to what he was and thereís a world of difference handing the ball to Diaz or Familia and handing the ball to Mariano. Thereís that saying you canít make chicken salad out of chicken shit. Compare the
bullpen the Yankees have had with the current Mets. Do you think a manager would make a big difference? The Mets would do better finding and signing players who would make a difference
'just to get another first time manager makes no sense'  
Torrag : 10/18/2019 11:18 am : link
the Wilpons make sense...dollars and cents. That's the sole reason if they go cheap on the manager ...again.
The manager doesn't hit, field, or pitch.  
Gmen1982 : 10/18/2019 11:20 am : link
I get it that some in game decisions can be put on the manager but teams win and lose by production over the course of a season. It's like Giants fans that wanted Cowher.
Just sign Wheeler  
NewBlue : 10/18/2019 11:29 am : link
More important than the manager...keep the staff intact
Why would anyone believe they'd hire Girardi or Buck?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 10/18/2019 11:37 am : link
Both are guys that want to do it their way. That's not how the Mets operate.
I wanted Callaway back  
allstarjim : 10/18/2019 11:38 am : link
This is part of the reason why. You knew the Wilpons were never going get someone better than Mickey. They don't want Girardi because he cares only about winning, not optics. Wilpons cares more about optics and not losing money.

The Wilpons are a dark cloud over this organization. I wish they would sell the team but we all know that's not going to happen.
I knew this would probably be the case  
Rflairr : 10/18/2019 12:13 pm : link
I think they would love for someone to hire Girardi, to get them off the hook with Mets fans who are screaming for him. I donít think they want to pay that much for a manager. Iím not that crazy about Girardi. Iím intrigued by Beltran over all these other names. I certainly donít want someone like Shelton, that has never played or coached in the NL
'were never going get someone better than Mickey'  
Torrag : 10/18/2019 12:15 pm : link
I wanted callaway gone regardless. He's got a fundamentally flawed philosophy on analytics and for a pitching 'guru' his bullpen management is inexplicably bad. He isn't the answer.

They could do better going the same route they tried when they hired him. That said given that this team has shown they are close to contending it would be wise to spend the money on a proven commodity with a winning track record to help them get to the next level.
The right manager for where the team is now...  
81_Great_Dane : 10/18/2019 1:07 pm : link
They're past needing a guy whose big skill is teaching and development. They are ready to compete. IMO they need an experienced manager who's been a winner.

Girardi has the resume. So did Maddon, who wasn't going to come to NY anyway. Baker and Showalter do nothing for me. I think those guys are "safe" choices in the senses that they get the team to the post-season, so there's "progress," but probably not to a World Series title. And honestly, I think the team is going to compete for a playoff spot next year almost regardless of who's managing.

Girardi is the obvious choice to us fans. But I give the organization credit for doing a thorough search and not just lurching to the obvious choice. The obvious choice isn't always the best choice.
I want Beltran.  
moze1021 : 10/18/2019 1:41 pm : link
I think I'm in the minority on that.
RE: I want Beltran.  
Metnut : 10/18/2019 1:55 pm : link
In comment 14632802 moze1021 said:
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I think I'm in the minority on that.


If Girardi and Espada are not options then he seems like the best of the rest.
RE: I want Beltran.  
Metnut : 10/18/2019 1:56 pm : link
In comment 14632802 moze1021 said:
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I think I'm in the minority on that.


If Girardi and Espada are not options then he seems like the best of the rest.
Showalter  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2019 2:08 pm : link
How do they do even talk to Buck? The guy has forgotten more about baseball than the entire Mets front office. Maybe I'm wrong but if the only goal was to maximize wins next year- they are hiring Girardi or Buck. But they have other goals as always...

Beltran is one thing and definitely risky. But I don't know how they will sell a no name to the fan base.
RE: Showalter  
Earl the goat : 10/18/2019 2:17 pm : link
In comment 14632812 TyreeHelmet said:
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How do they do even talk to Buck? The guy has forgotten more about baseball than the entire Mets front office. Maybe I'm wrong but if the only goal was to maximize wins next year- they are hiring Girardi or Buck. But they have other goals as always...

Beltran is one thing and definitely risky. But I don't know how they will sell a no name to the fan base.



Agree on Buck. Give him 3 years 12 million
At least with Beltran  
Chris684 : 10/18/2019 2:17 pm : link
his post playing/managing/team building philosophies you have to believe have all been influenced by Brian Cashman thus far, which I think has to be viewed as a positive.

This team is going to hire someone like Bogar or Perez I'm convinced.

By that time they will have watched Girardi go to the Phillies, not hired Beltran and have not even talked to Buck Showalter or Espada.

Criminal.
So, Edgardo Alfonzo manages the Brooklyn Cyclones  
Knineteen : 10/18/2019 2:21 pm : link
to a championship and he isn't in consideration for the Mets job?! Worst of all, his contract won't even be renewed!

Callaway improves the team by 7 wins in his first season and then another 9 wins in his second season. That wasn't good enough.

Good luck hiring your own people, BVW. If they are anything like Cano, Diaz or Lowrie...we're in trouble.

Terry Collins  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 2:21 pm : link
has been to more world series than Buck Showalter.

I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.

RE: Terry Collins  
Chris684 : 10/18/2019 2:24 pm : link
In comment 14632819 pjcas18 said:
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has been to more world series than Buck Showalter.

I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.


Give me a break.

You actually think not even speaking to Showalter is a good idea?

It's not just a name. And if it was just that, why would anyone be open to Callaway over these other odd, first time candidates which it seems most people are.
RE: Terry Collins  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2019 2:30 pm : link
In comment 14632819 pjcas18 said:
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has been to more world series than Buck Showalter.

I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.


You don't think Buck is a good manager or highly knowledgeable about baseball?
Buck Showalter  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 2:30 pm : link
won 88+ games 6 times, spread over 4 organizations and won 93, 96, and 89 games in the AL East with the Yankees and Sox in the same division. He's now a candidate for multiple jobs. The guy is a high level MLB manager any way you want to slice it.
I keep hearing Mickey Callaway was coveted  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2019 2:32 pm : link
If so, why did he only receive s bargain basement contract of 800k per year?

Money tells you what the real demand for the guy was. Just like it does with players. Truth is, no other team offered him a contract so he decided to take Mets offer, likely on the advice of his agent



'Terry Collins has been to more world series than Buck Showalter'  
Torrag : 10/18/2019 3:09 pm : link
I don't want to hire Showalter but collins couldn't out manage him if his life depended on it.
Per Joel Sherman on Twitter  
Aaron Thomas : 10/18/2019 3:24 pm : link




@Joelsherman1

#Padres coach Skip Schumaker has indeed already interviewed for #Mets managerial opening.
@dennistlin

1st. Schumaker was repped as a player by CAA, Van Wagenenís old agency.
Last 4 managers have all been below average  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2019 3:33 pm : link
Willie and Mickey both had potential but lacked experience

Jerry and Terry were just reruns. They already had opportunities and did nothing. For his career, Terry made the postseason twice in thirteen years. .495 winning pct. The epitome of mediocre

Go further back, Booby V was smart but a total nut. Dallas Green was over the hill and Jeff Torborg was pitiful. You have to go back to Davey Johnson to find a good manager and he was a total alcoholic.

It will be interesting to see if Brodie can get the Wilsonís to change their losing way of hiring managers.



RE: Per Joel Sherman on Twitter  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2019 3:37 pm : link
In comment 14632852 Aaron Thomas said:
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@Joelsherman1

#Padres coach Skip Schumaker has indeed already interviewed for #Mets managerial opening.
@dennistlin

1st. Schumaker was repped as a player by CAA, Van Wagenenís old agency.


No more second basemen as manager. Generally catchers seem to make the best managers because they understand both hitting and pitching. Girardi Torre and Bochy were all catchers
RE: 'Terry Collins has been to more world series than Buck Showalter'  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 3:38 pm : link
In comment 14632844 Torrag said:
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I don't want to hire Showalter but collins couldn't out manage him if his life depended on it.


based on what? some of you have this mental image of what a baseball manager does.

this isn't Bill Belichick we're talking about. baseball manager can directly impact very few games. Not suggesting to shit can the search because those few games they directly impact can mean the difference between playoffs or not, but comments like this one about Showalter are an example of talking out of your ass.

Has a showalter team ever won a post-season series?

in 20 years of managing?
RE: I want Beltran.  
jpkmets : 10/18/2019 3:51 pm : link
In comment 14632802 moze1021 said:
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I think I'm in the minority on that.


Iím on that wagon as well. Really thoughtful guy. Will be a commanding presence. Girardi is my second choice.
Keith  
DanMetroMan : 10/18/2019 3:53 pm : link
Law said he's never heard a single negative comment in regard to Carlos Beltran and Beltran has been a known commodity for nearly 2 decades.
RE: Keith  
Chris684 : 10/18/2019 3:56 pm : link
In comment 14632872 DanMetroMan said:
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Law said he's never heard a single negative comment in regard to Carlos Beltran and Beltran has been a known commodity for nearly 2 decades.


Interesting.

With Girardi a pipe dream, really hoping for Beltran.
RE: Keith  
pjcas18 : 10/18/2019 3:59 pm : link
In comment 14632872 DanMetroMan said:
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Law said he's never heard a single negative comment in regard to Carlos Beltran and Beltran has been a known commodity for nearly 2 decades.



Mets fan twitter has plenty of negative Beltran comments. Just ask him, he admits it and says it took him a while to get over the comments.
Iím on the fence with Beltran  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2019 4:01 pm : link
One of the most well liked men in baseball. But completely lacks experience.

Managing the pen is so crucial today that it is hard to learn on the job


Also, what happens when Cano or Cespedes need to be benched? Will Carlos be able to do that?
Guys who were recently retired players generally favor aging vets over younger players. Is that what we want for Mets?
Mets  
TyreeHelmet : 10/18/2019 5:05 pm : link
Interviewing the Padres 1st base coach. I'm sure he's a better candidate and gives them a better chance to win than Showalter or Girardi....
RE: Last 4 managers have all been below average  
JayBinQueens : 10/18/2019 5:29 pm : link
In comment 14632856 Vanzetti said:
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You have to go back to Davey Johnson to find a good manager and he was a total alcoholic.


Well, at least whoever gets hired knows what it'll take/cost to work for the Wilpons
Mookie Wilson  
giantsFC : 10/19/2019 4:22 am : link
You heard it hear first.

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