Matt Breen of the Philadelphia Inquirer reports the finalists for the Philadelphia Phillies managerial job are Dusty Baker, Joe Girardi, and Buck Showalter. Of the three, Girardi and Showalter are perceived to be the favorites to land the job.
If the Mets truly want Girardi, that means the team will have to act quickly as the Phillies are expected to make their decision next week.
On that front, in recent years, the Phillies interest has previously led the Mets to act quickly. In 2017, the Mets hired Mickey Callaway, who was highly coveted by the Phillies, after just one interview. This past offseason, the Mets admitted to including Jarred Kelenic in the trade with the Mariners to keep Edwin Diaz from going to Philadelphia.
While the Mets have acted quickly on Callaway and Diaz, we should not expect the same now with Girardi as Rich Mancuso of NY Sports Day reports that Girardi is not expected to be the Mets’ next manager.
With the Mets likely out on Girardi, that leaves Tim Bogar as the sole known managerial candidate the team has interviewed with any Major League experience. And Bogar’s experience is not that extensive as he only managed 22 games for the Texas Rangers at the end of the 2014 season.
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I hope I'm wrong, but it seems to be the same show on repeat and we expect different outcomes.
+1 although I am intrigued by Beltran.
He would have to be offered the Cubs job. The Cubs are casting a very, very wide net. Espada, veterans, Kapler etc
Nope. Espada already has interviewed for other positions. The feeling is he's the frontrunner for the Cubs job after he blew their socks off.
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Houston source tells me Astros coach Joe Espada had a sensational interview w/Cubs front office. “He gave Theo + Jed a lot to think about. They really liked him + came away exceptionally impressed. Was it enough to overcome David Ross’s relationship w/Theo and Jed? We’ll see
Many of the most successful managers are first time managers, or were when they became managers with their teams (Boone, Cora, etc.) and were ex-players.
So Beltran replacing Callaway (for example) may actually work out fine.
I just want the reason for Beltran over Girardi to be that the manager selected elicits the most confidence, leadership, and sound strategy not the one most malleable or cheap.
We knew what Callaway's strengths and weaknesses were. We will have no idea what to expect with guys like Bogar or Perez.
Meanwhile the Phillies are doing exactly what we should be doing. Did we even talk to Buck or Dusty?
He has a good record, but he's mostly managed stacked and deep teams. Hard pass.
Dusty? Buck? If those guys are hired and fail it's because the Mets are unimaginative and only hire retreads.
If any of the first time managers are hired and fail it's because the Mets won't pony up the cash to hire a known commodity
Even Girardi has critics.
Almost everyone on here applauded the Callaway hire, almost every wanted him fired, not that he'd been fired you hear a chorus of "I would have kept Callaway"
sure - no one said that in July and almost no one said it in October.
no win situation, and they will F it up.
It'll be interesting to see how the Mets try to improve and contend in 2020. They missed the play-in game by 3 games and finished 11 games behind Atlanta.
I thought one of the easiest areas to improve would be manager but it's disappointing they don't seem to be too interested in the top candidates.
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I will give the Mets credit for interviewing candidates that would be first-time managers.
Failures of Callaway shouldn't automatically eliminate other potential qualified candidates.
We've seen plenty of recent success (8 of 10 2019 playoff) teams) from first-time managers.
Dusty? Buck? If those guys are hired and fail it's because the Mets are unimaginative and only hire retreads.
If any of the first time managers are hired and fail it's because the Mets won't pony up the cash to hire a known commodity
Even Girardi has critics.
Almost everyone on here applauded the Callaway hire, almost every wanted him fired, not that he'd been fired you hear a chorus of "I would have kept Callaway"
sure - no one said that in July and almost no one said it in October.
no win situation, and they will F it up.
There are always going to be differing opinions on any move you make, but I'm pretty sure the majority of Mets fans feel this organization needs a more credible manager after Mickey.
You have Girardi and Showalter sitting right there. Apparently they're not going to hire one, and they didn't even bother talking to the other because the organization (Jeff Wilpon) was afraid he'd tell them to stay out of his way.
I think a bunch more could be sold on a first time guy who is widely viewed as an up and comer like Espada or Beltran.
They are going to give us Eduardo Perez or Tim Bogar? I'd rather have Callaway.
I guess its Beltran
bullpen the Yankees have had with the current Mets. Do you think a manager would make a big difference? The Mets would do better finding and signing players who would make a difference
The Wilpons are a dark cloud over this organization. I wish they would sell the team but we all know that's not going to happen.
They could do better going the same route they tried when they hired him. That said given that this team has shown they are close to contending it would be wise to spend the money on a proven commodity with a winning track record to help them get to the next level.
Girardi has the resume. So did Maddon, who wasn't going to come to NY anyway. Baker and Showalter do nothing for me. I think those guys are "safe" choices in the senses that they get the team to the post-season, so there's "progress," but probably not to a World Series title. And honestly, I think the team is going to compete for a playoff spot next year almost regardless of who's managing.
Girardi is the obvious choice to us fans. But I give the organization credit for doing a thorough search and not just lurching to the obvious choice. The obvious choice isn't always the best choice.
If Girardi and Espada are not options then he seems like the best of the rest.
If Girardi and Espada are not options then he seems like the best of the rest.
Beltran is one thing and definitely risky. But I don't know how they will sell a no name to the fan base.
Beltran is one thing and definitely risky. But I don't know how they will sell a no name to the fan base.
Agree on Buck. Give him 3 years 12 million
This team is going to hire someone like Bogar or Perez I'm convinced.
By that time they will have watched Girardi go to the Phillies, not hired Beltran and have not even talked to Buck Showalter or Espada.
Criminal.
Callaway improves the team by 7 wins in his first season and then another 9 wins in his second season. That wasn't good enough.
Good luck hiring your own people, BVW. If they are anything like Cano, Diaz or Lowrie...we're in trouble.
I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.
I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.
Give me a break.
You actually think not even speaking to Showalter is a good idea?
It's not just a name. And if it was just that, why would anyone be open to Callaway over these other odd, first time candidates which it seems most people are.
I think sometimes people see a name and just think he's better than whoever they have.
You don't think Buck is a good manager or highly knowledgeable about baseball?
Money tells you what the real demand for the guy was. Just like it does with players. Truth is, no other team offered him a contract so he decided to take Mets offer, likely on the advice of his agent
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#Padres coach Skip Schumaker has indeed already interviewed for #Mets managerial opening.
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1st. Schumaker was repped as a player by CAA, Van Wagenen’s old agency.
Jerry and Terry were just reruns. They already had opportunities and did nothing. For his career, Terry made the postseason twice in thirteen years. .495 winning pct. The epitome of mediocre
Go further back, Booby V was smart but a total nut. Dallas Green was over the hill and Jeff Torborg was pitiful. You have to go back to Davey Johnson to find a good manager and he was a total alcoholic.
It will be interesting to see if Brodie can get the Wilson’s to change their losing way of hiring managers.
@Joelsherman1
#Padres coach Skip Schumaker has indeed already interviewed for #Mets managerial opening.
@dennistlin
1st. Schumaker was repped as a player by CAA, Van Wagenen’s old agency.
No more second basemen as manager. Generally catchers seem to make the best managers because they understand both hitting and pitching. Girardi Torre and Bochy were all catchers
based on what? some of you have this mental image of what a baseball manager does.
this isn't Bill Belichick we're talking about. baseball manager can directly impact very few games. Not suggesting to shit can the search because those few games they directly impact can mean the difference between playoffs or not, but comments like this one about Showalter are an example of talking out of your ass.
Has a showalter team ever won a post-season series?
in 20 years of managing?
I’m on that wagon as well. Really thoughtful guy. Will be a commanding presence. Girardi is my second choice.
Interesting.
With Girardi a pipe dream, really hoping for Beltran.
Mets fan twitter has plenty of negative Beltran comments. Just ask him, he admits it and says it took him a while to get over the comments.
Managing the pen is so crucial today that it is hard to learn on the job
Also, what happens when Cano or Cespedes need to be benched? Will Carlos be able to do that?
Guys who were recently retired players generally favor aging vets over younger players. Is that what we want for Mets?
You have to go back to Davey Johnson to find a good manager and he was a total alcoholic.
Well, at least whoever gets hired knows what it'll take/cost to work for the Wilpons