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NFT: Anyone see 'Joker'?

SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/18/2019 10:54 am
Seeing it tomorrow. The reviews have been solid-especially Phoenix's performance-but I don't actually know anyone who has seen it.

For BBIers who have seen it, what are your thoughts?
There's a thread  
Motley Two : 10/18/2019 10:57 am : link
but there are spoilers.
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I thought it was incredible.  
Saos1n : 10/18/2019 10:58 am : link
Extremely dark, so prepare yourself. However, JP was amazing in the role. Some complained that it was slow, at times, which it was, but itís the back story of the character.

My wife was traumatized
Sucked  
gmenatlarge : 10/18/2019 10:58 am : link
two hours of watching someone descend into becoming a psychopath. The only interesting part was his affect on the local populace.
absolutely loved it  
Jints in Carolina : 10/18/2019 10:59 am : link
Want to see it again.
Great movie  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 10/18/2019 11:03 am : link
Extremely slow burn. Last 30 minutes it really picks up. Great finale.
An incredible stand alone movie  
Chef : 10/18/2019 11:06 am : link
I would not expect JP to get caught up in the DC universe movies. JP is Oscar worthy IMO and if you are a fan of DC you will love it compared to all the garbage movies they put out.
RE: Sucked  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/18/2019 11:13 am : link
In comment 14632692 gmenatlarge said:
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two hours of watching someone descend into becoming a psychopath. The only interesting part was his affect on the local populace.


hahahhaaha
Loved the movie. Not a typical comic book movie like Nolan's TDK...  
DCGMan : 10/18/2019 11:14 am : link
trilogy. Will go see it again.
Saw it twice  
mushroom : 10/18/2019 11:39 am : link
Not really by choice the second time. My 18year old needed someone to see it with.Excellent acting ,my 18year old son's first comment when it was done was the point of the movie was that society creates its own monsters
Garbage  
WeekendLife56 : 10/18/2019 12:13 pm : link
.....the laugh was forced EVERYTIME hardly sold as a condition.
....2 hours of "becomming" the Joker, 30 minutes of being the joker

Honestly as sad as this is to say because JP did a nice job with the role, I would rather watch Leto's character. Ledger's version of the role will probably never be bested.
The acting  
Jay in Toronto : 10/18/2019 12:17 pm : link
is supposed to be great. I wasn't going to see it until a very interesting political analysis on Facebook so now it's on my list.
It was too serious. I mean that.  
Torrag : 10/18/2019 12:17 pm : link
As dark as Ledger's take was I still laughed a lot. That's part of the villains ethos and sick charm. That was starkly missing here.
RE: It was too serious. I mean that.  
FranknWeezer : 10/18/2019 12:35 pm : link
In comment 14632751 Torrag said:
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As dark as Ledger's take was I still laughed a lot. That's part of the villains ethos and sick charm. That was starkly missing here.


I left that movie with the thought that there's no way around some loon copy-catting some of what he/she saw of the Joker in this movie. And that's a scary proposition.
My wife saw it  
BillT : 10/18/2019 12:41 pm : link
2 hours of watching someone become a psychopath. Excellent acting if you like watching his descent.
Dark movie  
Marty866b : 10/18/2019 12:53 pm : link
Definitely not a comic book movie but more of a movie about mental illness.
Itís kind of annoying how many people go to see it  
bLiTz 2k : 10/18/2019 1:00 pm : link
thinking they are getting a marvel-esque MCU movie and leave saying WTF.

Understand what you are going to see-

itís a Scorsese/Kubrique-esque drama much akin to Taxi Driver (which this movie draws a ton of inspiration from)..yes itís wrapped in The DC universe, but make no mistake this is a profound piece of art about the fragility of the human mind and societies role in shaping a psycho.

Great flick...I absolutely loved it in a sort of ďA clockwork orangeĒ or ďRequiem for a DreamĒ way..., but know what you are going to see. It is disturbing.
Enjoyed it  
weeg in the bronx : 10/18/2019 1:13 pm : link
Fresh take on a stale subject. I understand why some didn't like it but I highly recommend seeing it.
RE: Garbage  
Tuckrule : 10/18/2019 2:29 pm : link
In comment 14632744 WeekendLife56 said:
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.....the laugh was forced EVERYTIME hardly sold as a condition.
....2 hours of "becomming" the Joker, 30 minutes of being the joker

Honestly as sad as this is to say because JP did a nice job with the role, I would rather watch Leto's character. Ledger's version of the role will probably never be bested.


Did you ever look into how ledger got that character? He stole it completely and itís not original. Generally people donít know this. Iíll let you do some research youíll be amazed at the results. Iíll give you a clue itís on YouTube.
Best film of the year for me.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/18/2019 2:34 pm : link
I love that it got great reviews and is still dominating the box office. Love even more that it pisses off certain people, media outlets, and political parties. Absolutely fantastic.
RE: Itís kind of annoying how many people go to see it  
Cam in MO : 10/18/2019 2:39 pm : link
In comment 14632767 bLiTz 2k said:
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thinking they are getting a marvel-esque MCU movie and leave saying WTF.

Understand what you are going to see-

itís a Scorsese/Kubrique-esque drama much akin to Taxi Driver (which this movie draws a ton of inspiration from)..yes itís wrapped in The DC universe, but make no mistake this is a profound piece of art about the fragility of the human mind and societies role in shaping a psycho.

Great flick...I absolutely loved it in a sort of ďA clockwork orangeĒ or ďRequiem for a DreamĒ way..., but know what you are going to see. It is disturbing.


See, I took it less as society shaping the psycho and more as societies failure in removing a psycho and preventing what took place.

Ice floes.

I like it a lot  
moespree : 10/18/2019 3:02 pm : link
What's really surprising though is Phoenix being open to doing a sequel. He pretty much promised he'd never do that with any of his role but he really seemed to enjoy this one.

By any metric it is easily his most successful film of his career.
'thinking they are getting a marvel-esque MCU movie'  
Torrag : 10/18/2019 3:18 pm : link
I'm as up for a dark tale as the next guy. While the character is psychotic, and it is an iconic role, it contains or should, moments of actual humor arising from his mental illness. That's missing for me.
RE: RE: Sucked  
Vanzetti : 10/18/2019 4:33 pm : link
In comment 14632706 Mike in Long Beach said:
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two hours of watching someone descend into becoming a psychopath. The only interesting part was his affect on the local populace.



hahahhaaha


What a jackass response. The guy does not have a right to not like the film? Especially since he gave a reason for why he didnít like it?

I loved it  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/18/2019 5:31 pm : link
Phoenix should get actor of the year. Dark movie, really a throwback.

I've heard Batman fans say  
Moondawg : 10/18/2019 5:35 pm : link
that it was a good movie, but wasn't really about the Joker, and that it is hard to imagine this guy becoming a criminal mastermind who'd actually challenge Batman.
Two  
Adam G in Big D : 10/18/2019 5:43 pm : link
thumbs up.
RE: I've heard Batman fans say  
madgiantscow009 : 10/18/2019 7:21 pm : link
In comment 14632939 Moondawg said:
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that it was a good movie, but wasn't really about the Joker, and that it is hard to imagine this guy becoming a criminal mastermind who'd actually challenge Batman.


the theory that it was a movie about mental illness re-skinned as the DC joker is plausible and happens to a lot of movies.

The age of the joker and bruce wayne is too big of a gap. Even Tim Burton's joker would be too old. Michael Keaton was 38 in 1989, his parents were shot when he was 8 so the Joker was probably pushing 55-60 there.
I didn't really like it  
PatersonPlank : 10/18/2019 8:04 pm : link
It glorifies mob violence and the hero's are basically mentally unstable people. It left me feeling dirty frankly. On exiting the movie theater I expected to see lots of people wearing masks in the parking lot setting fires to cars. I'd rather see an uplifting movie.
RE: I've heard Batman fans say  
bLiTz 2k : 10/18/2019 8:23 pm : link
In comment 14632939 Moondawg said:
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that it was a good movie, but wasn't really about the Joker, and that it is hard to imagine this guy becoming a criminal mastermind who'd actually challenge Batman.


In the interest of keeping this thread spoiler free, there are certain aspects of Jokers dozens of origin stories that this film could fit in perfectly...I canít really say more but it makes sense in the context of the movie.
Paterson  
Sneakers O'toole : 10/18/2019 8:34 pm : link
I would say this movie has no heroes, by design.
Not something I would ever want to see again  
5BowlsSoon : 10/18/2019 9:00 pm : link
But Unlike me, my wife loved it. Go figure....a house divided!
I donít get the heroís comment  
UConn4523 : 10/18/2019 9:34 pm : link
and I also donít know why anyone would go into this moving with the hope of seeing something uplifting.

I thought it was excellent, Phoenix absolutely crushed it.
I loved it!! I could not take my eyes  
barens : 10/18/2019 9:58 pm : link
Off of Phoenix. Just so riveting. I thought the directed pieces it all together perfectly to. Just really haunting, saw it almost 2 weeks ago, and Iím still thinking about it.
One of my favorite movies ever  
BestFeature : 10/18/2019 10:02 pm : link
I can't remember the last movie that moved me this much. Amazing how they managed to turn Joker into a sympathetic figure. I read an article about a criminal psychologist raving about how realistic it was.
Joker  
Simms : 10/19/2019 8:02 am : link
I saw it oast night and am a big batman guy, 15K comics etc etc.

From the Adam West era Truly great performance opening the door for mad joker unleashed. An interesting view from the eyes of the Joker.

Overall a very good movie. Not going to get into an Oscar debate for I am not a voter and have not seen the competition

The concept of the Wayne family turned me off at times. Understood the direction but simply long story short do not agree. Poor role casting there too IMO in regards to the Mother and Father. No mention of Alfred at the gate or not, but former British intelligence think his part was fumbled too.

Again solid movie that flowed and in a blink of an eye it was over. Nothing to wait for after the credits. Worth seeing, and fully set to take the Joker to the next stage, ah movie.

Ledger was tops for me, but this Joker has the ability to carve out his own notch. If the role is expanded further they will need a strong Batman actor to even the playing field.

Very dark and disturbing movie  
X : 10/19/2019 8:27 am : link
Phoenix was great. It is not in line with the comics and is a stand-alone movie from DC Comics.

I saw it but wished I hadn't
Just got back from movie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/19/2019 2:50 pm : link
That was, uh, disturbing. And yet I liked it. The scissors thing...could have gone without that. Wife shrieked that scene, Haha.
RE: Just got back from movie.  
Jints in Carolina : 10/19/2019 3:52 pm : link
In comment 14633501 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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That was, uh, disturbing. And yet I liked it. The scissors thing...could have gone without that. Wife shrieked that scene, Haha.


I loved it man...such a great performance by Phoenix.
RE: RE: Just got back from movie.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/19/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14633535 Jints in Carolina said:
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That was, uh, disturbing. And yet I liked it. The scissors thing...could have gone without that. Wife shrieked that scene, Haha.



I loved it man...such a great performance by Phoenix.


Phoenix was amazing. He's probably going to get some Oscar love for that performance.
Great film  
RobCarpenter : 10/19/2019 4:09 pm : link
Most superhero movies donít feel like cinema to me. Everything about this movie seemed like a film that didnít have to rely on source material or the comic books.

DC would be smart to keep doing the standalone films. JPís Joker wonít be showing up in any Batman movies.

And hereís a Giants family connection - JP is engaged to Rooney Mara.
The  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/19/2019 7:14 pm : link
film is a masterpiece, from the acting to way it was filmed to the music.

But it's going to make a lot of people feel uncomfortable, especially. Hence the unease from the critics.

I also wonder how many younger viewers will view it since this is more about story-telling (a dying art form) and less of an action flick.
RE: The  
barens : 10/19/2019 11:33 pm : link
In comment 14633633 Eric from BBI said:
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film is a masterpiece, from the acting to way it was filmed to the music.

But it's going to make a lot of people feel uncomfortable, especially. Hence the unease from the critics.

I also wonder how many younger viewers will view it since this is more about story-telling (a dying art form) and less of an action flick.


Well, number one, it is rated R. Number 2, it's doing great at the box office.

I agree with you that it was a masterpiece. There's really nothing I can even nitpick, I was just so fixated on the whole thing.
barens  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/19/2019 11:49 pm : link
I'm old. By "young" I mean people in their 20s and 30s.

Many disagree with me, but I think we're smack in the middle of the nadir of the movie industry (TV is a different story).

I've long criticized that there are too many reboots/remakes and mindless action films, especially comic book films.

But while Joker is a comic book movie, it is far from mindless. This director took huge risks, something Hollywood rarely does anymore.
Saw it tonight  
PetesHereNow : 10/21/2019 12:59 am : link
Phoenix is so good as the character that it makes you want a sequel just to see him continue in the role.
RE: Sucked  
Big_N : 10/21/2019 3:28 pm : link
In comment 14632692 gmenatlarge said:
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two hours of watching someone descend into becoming a psychopath. The only interesting part was his affect on the local populace.


Totally agree. The acting was good otherwise total garbage.
RE: RE: RE: Sucked  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2019 4:09 pm : link
In comment 14632895 Vanzetti said:
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two hours of watching someone descend into becoming a psychopath. The only interesting part was his affect on the local populace.



hahahhaaha



What a jackass response. The guy does not have a right to not like the film? Especially since he gave a reason for why he didnít like it?


I mean, of course he has a right. I just found it humorous. There are matters of opinion, but then when that opinion has nothing to do with whether or not a movie is good, and then that opinion is used to determine whether or not a movie is good, I find it funny. Sorry.
the film was made by the director of Old School and Hangover  
GMAN4LIFE : 10/21/2019 4:25 pm : link
to say it was good would do no justice. It was a masterpiece.

it was great from top to bottom.

If this is the direction WB wants to take DC to, i am all for it. Its alittle too real at times and you see how this can make others uneasy.

JP is a shoe in for an Oscar. Its his.
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Mike in Long Beach : 10/21/2019 4:32 pm : link
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JP is a shoe in for an Oscar. Its his.


If he doesn't win it, then the award has no real meaning anymore.
Thereís my boy Eric  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2019 4:41 pm : link
talking about ďHollywoodĒ again. Plenty of movies out there that arenít action movies and reboots, so yeah, you are still wrong.
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GMAN4LIFE : 10/21/2019 4:49 pm : link
In comment 14639332 Mike in Long Beach said:
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JP is a shoe in for an Oscar. Its his.




If he doesn't win it, then the award has no real meaning anymore.


the guy commanded your attention with every scene, he changed his body for this, his emotional set was shown in each tension scene. it was just masterful.
Phoenix has been as good as any actor our there for a while now  
wigs in nyc : 10/21/2019 5:02 pm : link
Loved him in The Master, Inherent Vice, Her, The Village.

Really looking forward to seeing Joker
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