opinion. As I posted this morning, it is hard to believe Romine would whiff 11 out of 20 ABs, however Sanchez is still the better catcher. And in this series were Aaron Judge has an OBP of .303 and Slugging of .381, hits and rbis hard to come by.
Even Smoltz said that yeah he is looking bad at the plate now, but he can turn it around in the next AB.
So, you always run what you brung. I'm staying with Gary. Is anyone pulling Gardy for Maybin? No, I did not think so.
RE: I still think I would rather see Stanton in there than EE.
Stanton is not healthy. He couldnt even run to 1st base last night. He jogged slowly on a groundball. And his at bats were atrocious
His at bats were bad yesterday. But EE has looked even worse all series so far. Before yesterday, Stanton was at least working counts.
Somebody needs to produce out of that spot, I have more faith with Stanton on a bad leg than EE at this point in the season. I hope he proves me wrong today!
Stanton can't even run and his AB's were terrible. Edwin has been awful since early in the MIN series, but he's still a better bet for quality AB's right now - and he's not dealing with a leg injury that is basically limiting him to jogging like Stanton.
Stanton was basically in the lineup to hit a HR. He came up with runners on and didn't do it. Didn't even put the ball in play, actually... he struck out. He just looks totally out of sorts. I'll take my chances with Eddy.
Finally, we catch a little break from Verlander, Cole and Greinke here. We have to capitalize and push this thing to a Game 7. Doesn't matter if it's Cole on full rest or not. Once you get there, anything can happen. All it takes is one off night.
How long can he be expected to last -- and who would follow him?
The fear is a long man like JA Happ. But perhaps on a very short leash. It would be amazing to go up by 3 or more and then have a bit of a cushion if you need to bring him in.
Shocked Astros arent using Cole tonight. Theyll hold him for a G7. If go for the kill if I were them. Why let the Yanks have a legit shot at taking this to 7 and the momentum would be huge. Gotta win tonight first.
Go Yankees!
Shocked Astros arent using Cole tonight. Theyll hold him for a G7. If go for the kill if I were them. Why let the Yanks have a legit shot at taking this to 7 and the momentum would be huge. Gotta win tonight first.
Go Yankees!
Some guys including the best ones are dicey on short rest. They want the best version of Cole most likely.
Shocked Astros arent using Cole tonight. Theyll hold him for a G7. If go for the kill if I were them. Why let the Yanks have a legit shot at taking this to 7 and the momentum would be huge. Gotta win tonight first.
Go Yankees!
Because if they use Cole on 3 days rest, they already burned Verlander, they have no safety net and the Yankees would have Severino starting. If Cole loses Game 6, they would be screwed in Game 7. The Game 4 win gave Hinch the breathing room he needed.
Shocked Astros arent using Cole tonight. Theyll hold him for a G7. If go for the kill if I were them. Why let the Yanks have a legit shot at taking this to 7 and the momentum would be huge. Gotta win tonight first.
Go Yankees!
Because if they use Cole on 3 days rest, they already burned Verlander, they have no safety net and the Yankees would have Severino starting. If Cole loses Game 6, they would be screwed in Game 7. The Game 4 win gave Hinch the breathing room he needed.
Heck of a gut check win last night and big tip of the cap to Paxton. Momentum might just have swung our way with getting to Verlander last night when so many thought it was a given he'd win.
I bailed for a bit because I found myself getting caught up in stupid BS and I didn't want to hijack the thread and take away from the game.
We're in the ALCS and should be enjoying these games and threads and not allowing stupid shit to derail them. I know we don't have an ignore feature here but I'm gonna use my own and I'm looking forward to getting back to enjoying our great game threads like we've had all year.
just because we aren't facing an ace doesn't mean it's not a big lead. they will just change the looks by using reliever after reliever if anyone gets in trouble
in the fucking postseason. Dude should be fired after the game. At least three or four pitches in that inning alone that literally didn't even nick the outside of the plate that were called strikes. Changes the whole god damn inning. It's infuriating.
I thought I heard balk after the HP ump called for time. But, the umpiring overall tonight has not been favorable to the Yankees. Some questionable calls.
He is less than inspiring and being in your 30s for the entirety of your next contract, I can't see any way in the world the Yankees pay him, especially with Torres ready to play, SS.
RE: Didi has played himself onto another team next year.
He is less than inspiring and being in your 30s for the entirety of your next contract, I can't see any way in the world the Yankees pay him, especially with Torres ready to play, SS.
100% agree. That AB was embarrassing for a veteran. You make a guy work there....he gets to a 2-0 count the dude makes a mistake or ends up walking him
He is less than inspiring and being in your 30s for the entirety of your next contract, I can't see any way in the world the Yankees pay him, especially with Torres ready to play, SS.
100% agree. That AB was embarrassing for a veteran. You make a guy work there....he gets to a 2-0 count the dude makes a mistake or ends up walking him
Not just that AB; the whole series. Bases loaded after a 4 pitch walk with all 4pitches all over the place and Didi follows by swinging at the 1st pitch to end the inning and a couple of other times.
You know, because of this series I went back and looked at this numbers with the Yankees. He has had streaks every season where he seems impossible to get out and carries the team, but his final numbers are not great.
DJLM most likely gets a hit if he doesn't fall down 0-2 in the count. Now Judge swings and misses at a pitch outside that could have been called a strike
injury to Pressley is pretty big. If we keep this close - we will have them running out of arms by the 7th.
We need a shut down inning here and get him right back out there against the heart of our order. Knock him around a bit and get them scrambling for outs.
strikes off the plate. What really gets me is the inconsistency of it. Sometimes they're balls, sometimes they're strikes. A pitch that hits the bottom of the strike zone is a ball but off the sides of the plate is a strike. It's just stupid. How did MLB not review his calls before the playoffs? They decided he was good to get a game behind the plate?
is why I was dying when people were calling in FAN today saying DJLM should play 3B tonight with Encanacion at 1B, even though neither has played the respective position in weeks.
Encarnacion lays off the 1-2 slider that just missed and the umpire actually called it a ball. And then those mircales are wasted when he can't hit a fastball at the bottom of the rib cage.
We're down in this series and game because of our offense shitting itself
I mean it would help to have an ace. Debating thstis pretty silly.
What do you call the game 1/5 performances? Nothing to debat. the offense has been a joke up to this point
Hell, after the 1st yesterday, they did absolutely nothing and it has an impact in this game. They let Verlander off the hook, allowing the Astros to rest most of their pen.
So many counts for us and against us have been affected by this living breathing abomination behind HP tonight. In a fucking elimination game none the less.
That has to be all you ask of Cessa. I would think the Astros were thinking the same about Urquidy and he is out there. LEt's hope it hurts them, but the start of the 7th is not promising.
that would tie it up. In fact, if anyone but Sanchez was on base, he'd have gotten to 3rd to tag up
Exactly. The bad job of not going first to third seems like a little thing. But, it was the difference between tying it up on an out and feeling completely deflated.
that would tie it up. In fact, if anyone but Sanchez was on base, he'd have gotten to 3rd to tag up
Exactly. The bad job of not going first to third seems like a little thing. But, it was the difference between tying it up on an out and feeling completely deflated.
has to be from the analytics department where they charted these Astros first pitches all season or something where they throw a fastball to get ahead. It makes no sense why they do this every time with men on base.
But, how many times did we hear they just have to keep it close and get to the Astros pen? Well, they;ve done that a few games and done absolutely nothing against the pen.
that would tie it up. In fact, if anyone but Sanchez was on base, he'd have gotten to 3rd to tag up
Which is why I suggested a pinch runner for Sanchez.
You know, it didn't cross my mind, but in the 7th it makes perfect sense. It also serves the purpose of getting a better defensive catcher in the late innings.
You're losing. You have to cut that run down at home. 9 outs left and they're giving up a run. They can't score and the Yankees are giving up a run for an out. Asinine
You're losing. You have to cut that run down at home. 9 outs left and they're giving up a run. They can't score and the Yankees are giving up a run for an out. Asinine
I agree. They may well not get Altuve. But, in the 7th inning, you have to damn well try, especially the way they are hitting (or not hitting). You can't just hand them a run, even if turn the F-ing DP.
RE: RE: RE: Why wouldnt you try to throw home there???
isn't going to be smothered by the Astros after this year.
Take Cole off the team, Verlander a year older. They already have 1 but their window to win right now is smaller than the Yankees for the next few years.
People are going to overreact to this series if Yankees lose. Sure I want them to sign Cole, but they are in as good of shape as anyone going forward after this year to win the AL. Verlander is going to slow down very soon and Cole is 100% leaving, even if he doesn't go to the Yankees.
Jesus christ. Tired of hearing about "stop talking about SP, the team needs hitters". Yeah, they need to focus more on contact hitters rather than power but the offense kicked ass most of the year. If they had another good SP option, Green doesn't start tonight and spot the Astros 3 runs.
Jesus christ. Tired of hearing about "stop talking about SP, the team needs hitters". Yeah, they need to focus more on contact hitters rather than power but the offense kicked ass most of the year. If they had another good SP option, Green doesn't start tonight and spot the Astros 3 runs.
we still have scored only 2 runs here. Did nothing after the 1st inning last game. And did nothing the two games before that,
isn't going to be smothered by the Astros after this year.
Take Cole off the team, Verlander a year older. They already have 1 but their window to win right now is smaller than the Yankees for the next few years.
People are going to overreact to this series if Yankees lose. Sure I want them to sign Cole, but they are in as good of shape as anyone going forward after this year to win the AL. Verlander is going to slow down very soon and Cole is 100% leaving, even if he doesn't go to the Yankees.
100%
Take away high K guys and take Cole from them and we will be favored for a while
today (possibly earlier in the series). Sanchez' saving grace is when he is hitting he is unstoppable. But, he hasn'e even been close to that in a long time. These have been mostly close games and his sloppy play can't be tolerated just on the off chance he gets going. Same with Encanacion.
Writing a master thesis on how not to produce with risp. If we lose, hitters will need to take a long look in the mirror.
Some are still too focused on the starting pitching. I dont mind improving it. But this series is won already if the offense does what they should
Bullshit. Yea the offense hasnt produced to expectation but this is the playoffs. Of course these guys are pressing knowing they have to put up runs to win and when theyre playing from behind almost every game.
These bullpen arms arent being used the best way they could be used. Ideally all these arms should be used to shorten the game. Get 5-6 from a quality starter (or more) and use these guys to lock down the rest of the game. They arent built to be a substitute for a bona fide ace or two.
The Nats are waiting in the WS bc they have two absolute studs and a 3rd quality arm in Corbin. The Astros are in control of this series for the same reason.
That run Boone gave up by playing the infield back was huge. You go from a HR making a tie ballgame to needing a bloop and a blast. I cant wrap my head around that mistake. Its a fucking T-ball alignment.
today (possibly earlier in the series). Sanchez' saving grace is when he is hitting he is unstoppable. But, he hasn'e even been close to that in a long time. These have been mostly close games and his sloppy play can't be tolerated just on the off chance he gets going. Same with Encanacion.
For all Garys power he has been a sub 200 hitter for all of last year and most of this year
Their core is as young as ours, Bregman/Correa/Alvarez are better than Judge/Torres/Sanchez. They have Altuve, we have Hicks? Urshela? Frazier and Andujar are unknowns at this point. Tucker is a top 10 prospect, 30-30 threat. You just know Whitley will become a stud under whatever pitching program they have.
I dont think you can say we are in better shape going forward.
This is the game the Yankees should have absolutely exploded.
and absolutely dreadful base running by Judge. I don't care how good of a play it was, there is zero excuse to get doubled up there in a 2 run game. Play the fucking play 3/4 and get back to 1st.
I don't like calling those lucky breaks. That play and the Riddick catch were great catches. Also, Judge had no business getting doubled off. That isn't a lucky break. It is Houston continually making the plays and the Yankees looking ill prepared.
I don't like calling those lucky breaks. That play and the Riddick catch were great catches. Also, Judge had no business getting doubled off. That isn't a lucky break. It is Houston continually making the plays and the Yankees looking ill prepared.
Reddick's might not be that lucky but Brantley has about a 1% chance of making that play. He's a butcher in the outfield
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He wasn't past 2nd, he was on 2nd
Which is dumb. If hes 3/4 he can trot into 2nd if it drops and get back to 1st if its caught.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
I think it's pretty obvious he thought it was gonna fall in. If it did and got away from Brantley a bit he could get to 3rd. No way did he think Brantley would make that catch.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
What are you talking about? If he drops that ball and it gets away from him, thats a run in a 2 run game. The reward was definitely worth the risk.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
I think it's pretty obvious he thought it was gonna fall in. If it did and got away from Brantley a bit he could get to 3rd. No way did he think Brantley would make that catch.
Of course he thought it was going to fall in. That's a once in a lifetime catch from an outfielder of Brantley's caliber (normally below average at best in the field)
Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
I am all for good pitching but it wont matter if we score 2 runs a game
Ottavino finally makes a positive contribution to the series
Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
matter because Brantley made a great catch, but Judge is going to 3rd for sure when a player dives for a ball.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
This is just wrong.
I played baseball the better part of my life. I guess I've had shitty coaching??
If you think a ball will drop or a player will dive for it, you should be at or just beyond the bag and should hopefully be able to get back if the catch ius made. If you can't - you tip your hat for a great play made.
matter because Brantley made a great catch, but Judge is going to 3rd for sure when a player dives for a ball.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
I agree with you. Judge gets great reads on the bases and he was reading hit there all the way. It might've been the first time all year he misread one land it took a great diving catch by a guy not known for his fielding to cause it.
RE: RE: RE: Astros are just a flat out better team
Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
Agree. I see it being highly unlikely. But we'll get a meeting and give him a nice tour and presentation
RE: RE: RE: Astros are just a flat out better team
Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
A good base running play would have been the 3/4 play-to second easily and a much better if not 100 percent shot of getting back to first. To say what he did was right is not correct because he misread it if he thought it was falling.
matter because Brantley made a great catch, but Judge is going to 3rd for sure when a player dives for a ball.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
This is just wrong.
I played baseball the better part of my life. I guess I've had shitty coaching??
If you think a ball will drop or a player will dive for it, you should be at or just beyond the bag and should hopefully be able to get back if the catch ius made. If you can't - you tip your hat for a great play made.
I played baseball in college. Situationally it was a mental error. If the goal in his mind was to get to 3rd the risk outweighs the reward. At best its first and third with one out and youre looking to at least get a run across on a sac fly. At worst youre getting doubled off to end the 7th inning down two runs.
Just not a smart decision given the series and game situation. The Astros are playing for outs and Judge gave them an easy one.
if that ball falls, Judge is getting grief if he isn't on 3rd, not praise for going "halfway". Just look at the Sanchez comments earlier.
You know that's exactly what would've happened. Isn't it possible Judge played it right but Brantley just made an uncharacteristicly great catch? I think so.
Judge got beat by a heck of a play, and he's made ones like that in RF himself. Pretty sure he doubled someone up earlier in this series while making a catch going towards CF.
like "What the fuck! We've been getting both corners all night!"
When he looked at the dugout, he basically gave the signal to hold the payment
If you think about it, calling those balls is actually more evidence of bad umpiring. They are bad calls when called strikes. But calling that a strike for 6 innings and then changing in the 7th and 8th, is inconsistent and even worse. Now, nobody knows what to expect.
any coach that would teach a baserunner to have a chance to get doubled up down 2 runs in the 7th inning. This wasn't a no mans land play. Yes, it was a great diving play. But there simply was not a reward great enough to risk getting doubled off there. If he plays it 3/4 of the way, he is standing on 2nd if the ball drops.
It's inexcusable to get doubled off on a popup down 2 runs. Not the worst base running I've ever seen, but you can not ever put yourself in a position to potentially get doubled up on a play like that.
If we lose an elimination game that was pitched entirely by bullpens, then can we still claim to have a superior bullpen?
Hence the need for Cole. The Yankees pen is better, but they are gassed. Need starters that can give you 6-7 innings. I know the stats on 3rd time around, but thats why Hal needs to show that the Astros cannot outbid the Yankees. Not for Cole. You get a horse like him and this team will have a ticker tape parade next year
If we lose an elimination game that was pitched entirely by bullpens, then can we still claim to have a superior bullpen?
Hence the need for Cole. The Yankees pen is better, but they are gassed. Need starters that can give you 6-7 innings. I know the stats on 3rd time around, but thats why Hal needs to show that the Astros cannot outbid the Yankees. Not for Cole. You get a horse like him and this team will have a ticker tape parade next year
The difference between Judge and Sanchez is that Sanchez one didn't read a ball that was clearly falling and, two, wasn't even running. Judge should not have been half way on that, but he also shouldn't have been on 2nd. He wasn't just on 2nd, but on 2nd ready to turn to 3rd. He should have been shy of 2nd and ready to go either direction.
if that ball falls, Judge is getting grief if he isn't on 3rd, not praise for going "halfway". Just look at the Sanchez comments earlier.
You know that's exactly what would've happened. Isn't it possible Judge played it right but Brantley just made an uncharacteristicly great catch? I think so.
Judge got beat by a heck of a play, and he's made ones like that in RF himself. Pretty sure he doubled someone up earlier in this series while making a catch going towards CF.
I don't want to belabor it, but when you take chances and it backfires you get second-guessed, but it is still heads-up running. When we forced Correa to make a play in game 2, it was correct to do so. You make the fielder do everything perfectly to get the out. when you aren't aggressive, you get the Sanchez, station-to-station play and if the next guy doesn't hit, the inning ends anyway.
If we lose an elimination game that was pitched entirely by bullpens, then can we still claim to have a superior bullpen?
Bullpen superiority is tough to live by. One guy is off and you are in trouble. The Yankee bullpen is overused in this series because of the starting pitching. The Astros have not had that problem.
They said Osuna throwing the change was a good pitch because Gardner was looking to fight a fastball off to LF. That's dead wrong. If Gardner was looking to fight the fastball off the other way, he should handle the change. He got the change away because he was trying to pull the ball.
And most here didnt believe me.. Chapman is a choker! He has been ever since he left The Cubs!! Astros are just a better team overall. Way better pitching and better bats.. what a joke Chapman is.. Now its time to let him go. Find another closer.
opts out, he's gone. Good pitcher, but they are getting Betances back and have Britton. Don't need to sign Chapman to a long term deal.
People will overreact to this series loss. It sucks for sure, but this was a terrific season. Fun to watch, guys stepping up through all of the injuries. It hurts like hell right now, but this season is not a failure in my eyes.
Hal has to sign Cole. Doing that changes the outlook for both teams.
Damn it. Would have been easier if we just went quietly in the ninth.
Bullshit. I'd much rather they battled like they did and see DJ get that huge HR than going down quietly. They didn't quit all year and they didn't tonight either. It sucks they lost but I'm proud they battled back to tie.
hope for some changes rather then hanging on to the same high priced veterans that are now FA's. Was it worth bring CC back this year for his final tour?
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
And most here didnt believe me.. Chapman is a choker! He has been ever since he left The Cubs!! Astros are just a better team overall. Way better pitching and better bats.. what a joke Chapman is.. Now its time to let him go. Find another closer.
Oh shut the fuck up. He's a good closer. He's not Mariano, no one is. You were wrong then and you're still wrong.
hope for some changes rather then hanging on to the same high priced veterans that are now FA's. Was it worth bring CC back this year for his final tour?
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
I will never understand why we didn't push hard for Morton. The offense was excellent and barring having pursued someone like Brantley, we were built to win but had too many players come up small in this series. Outside of DJ and Torres, none of our hitters were remotely good enough to win this series.
hope for some changes rather then hanging on to the same high priced veterans that are now FA's. Was it worth bring CC back this year for his final tour?
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
Yeah, lets go with the kids re: starting pitching. That's certainly worked for this franchise the past 2 decades.
It was a joy to watch this team beat the odds injury after injury. Great year. Unfortunately, the magic ran out and the odds turned against them. You just can't expect to hit 5 or 6 hrs a game in the playoffs. They have to learn how to do the little things again. We'll see if they learn anything this off-season.
hope for some changes rather then hanging on to the same high priced veterans that are now FA's. Was it worth bring CC back this year for his final tour?
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
I will never understand why we didn't push hard for Morton. The offense was excellent and barring having pursued someone like Brantley, we were built to win but had too many players come up small in this series. Outside of DJ and Torres, none of our hitters were remotely good enough to win this series.
Torres had a bad 2nd half of the series. He tried hitting everything out. He was swinging out of his shoes. He wasn't the only one.
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
but otherwise he'll be back as he should be. The guy is a top notch closer. We've got problems but he sure isn't one of them. Clodsers get beat, they give up bombs. Osuna did too. It happens.
wrong with Chapmans fastball. He got beat on an awful slider.
He couldnt throw it anywhere near the strike zone, and it was very hit table. Thats a problem. His slider and change up dont work as well without the fastball.
after Cole. I dont think Cashman has a lot of room to manuver unless he makes a lot of trades. Let Didi, Gardner, EE walk. Trade Andujar and Frazier for a pitcher if Hal doesnt want to pony up for Cole.
Hal cant be penny pinching or reluctant to trade prospects
To get whatever Cash feels the team needs to beat Houston a year from now this offseason. I do not want to be here lamenting another ALCS loss to Houston next year. This shit is old already.
RE: I took a quick look through the free agent list and its a crappy list
after Cole. I dont think Cashman has a lot of room to manuver unless he makes a lot of trades. Let Didi, Gardner, EE walk. Trade Andujar and Frazier for a pitcher if Hal doesnt want to pony up for Cole.
Cole, Strasburg, Ryu, and Bumgarner all likely hit free agency.
RE: I haven't enjoyed a regular season more than this since 1978
It was a joy to watch this team beat the odds injury after injury. Great year. Unfortunately, the magic ran out and the odds turned against them. You just can't expect to hit 5 or 6 hrs a game in the playoffs. They have to learn how to do the little things again. We'll see if they learn anything this off-season.
I enjoyed the hell out of this season as well. 78 was fun too but 98 was right up there with it for me. This one is nipping at the heels of those two and that's quite the accomplishment even if it fell short of the ultimate goal.
RE: Hal cant be penny pinching or reluctant to trade prospects
To get whatever Cash feels the team needs to beat Houston a year from now this offseason. I do not want to be here lamenting another ALCS loss to Houston next year. This shit is old already.
Add Cole is a MAJOR step. With Verlander a year older and grienke being okay in playoffs....their window is closing fast in terms of pitching. Their bullpen is okay. Their lineup has some clutch hitters but isn't world beating.
Sign Cole
Let Didi walk
Get more guys who hit for avg
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
No way Cashman opts out now, no? He just lost the game!!
How about Stanton? One can dream. The future looked so bright back in 17, now there is a slight sense of urgency. I know nobody wants to criticize Cashman here and he couldnt have predicted injuries, but this could have been a dynamic young team. Cashman should focus on grinders on offense and starting pitching instead of bashers and relievers.
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
Then I'll see you right back here a year from now to have th same convo after an alcs loss.
Yanks need to add Cole. We still don't have an ace
I mean I would love signing Cole or Strasburg if he shakes free, hell add Bumgarner too. I just don't see it with how Hal and Cash operatd now. But we'll get a meeting and give Cole his tour
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
Then I'll see you right back here a year from now to have th same convo after an alcs loss.
Yanks need to add Cole. We still don't have an ace
I mean I would love signing Cole or Strasburg if he shakes free, hell add Bumgarner too. I just don't see it with how Hal and Cash operatd now. But we'll get a meeting and give Cole his tour
Adding Cole is pretty significant imo. We also could use less K rate guys in lineup
Not sure that's an easy fix tho
Disappointing ending but we shouldn't be too upset.
The bottom line is that the injuries in the end were too much to overcome. In the last two weeks we lost Betances , German ( not exactly an injury ) and CC. In addition to that one third of the lineup, Sanchez, Edwin and Hicks were just coming off injuries and were nowhere near 100%. I don't even count Stanton, because he was injured all year.
It would be nice to get a starter or two in the offseason. Other than that I don't see wholesale changes that have to be made other than to do a better job staying healthy.
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
I would be OK going into ST with Voit at 1B (Torres at SS and DJLM at 2B).
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
I would be OK going into ST with Voit at 1B (Torres at SS and DJLM at 2B).
No to Voit at 1st. Hes a butcher. DJ looks so smooth there. Id also be working Andujar there this offseason.
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
Where are you getting that $41 million number ? It probably assumes that every current player not under contract for 2020 won't be back. The Yankees paid over $45 million to such players among them, Judge. Judge made $700,000 in 2019, I'd be amazed if he makes under $10 million in 2020. Of the others the only ones not coming back are CC ( 8 million ), maybe Gardner ( 7.5 million ) , Bird ( 1.2 million ) and one or two others close to minimum salary. Thats not a lot of savings considering everyone else is getting raises and in Judge's case, a huge raise.
I'd be very surprised if he opts out after what happened with Kimbrall last year. I don't see other teams paying out huge money for him considering age, and a decrease in velocity. Who knows if Betances is coming back or if he can even pitch next season. As a Yankees fan, I want Chapman back.
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Chappy might try to add a few years to his deal and then he would be clogging the way while costing a ton. If getting a guy like Cole means you cut bait with Didi Gardner Chappy et al I am for it. But I would also rather cut bait and not spend bucks on Cole
Voits not my clear-cut favorite for 1st next year.
If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
Where are you getting that $41 million number ? It probably assumes that every current player not under contract for 2020 won't be back. The Yankees paid over $45 million to such players among them, Judge. Judge made $700,000 in 2019, I'd be amazed if he makes under $10 million in 2020. Of the others the only ones not coming back are CC ( 8 million ), maybe Gardner ( 7.5 million ) , Bird ( 1.2 million ) and one or two others close to minimum salary. Thats not a lot of savings considering everyone else is getting raises and in Judge's case, a huge raise.
The 41M below the threshold is a factual number of current salary.
Average estimates for arb eligible players to address.
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Yeah when the team was way ahead?! I bet you put this guy on another critical must win game, and he will choke again. Except it he is done..
Kill Chappy for not getting the job done tonight, but the idea that he's fallen off or is a choker is just asinine.
Here are his FIP rankings among ML relief pitchers as a Yankee:
2016 - 1st
2017 - 14th
2018 - 5th
2019 - 5th
GREAT all-time playoff AB by DJ. I was 100% certain Springer was going to catch it since that was the Yankees' luck this series. Series came down to the Yankees' offense letting Verlander and Cole off the hook in games 2 and 3. Neither pitched great, yet the Yankees couldn't get big hits or take advantage in any way.
but a very fun season. I'll always fondly remember this season because I went to the London games and got to see one of the Twins playoff games with a good friend I don't get to see that often. (Obviously I won't remember it as fondly as the championship ones, but the fight this team had was special.)
I think we're close. There are some interesting decisions to be made. Go Nats.
What the hell is Seve then? Chopped liver? His injury changed the dynamics of the pitching staff. Someone said above that 7 of 9 starters we were under 250. Ill go one step farther. How many of their guys are productive without the home run? 2 maybe 3. AND the lineup is WAY to right handed dominant with the short right field porch.
The biggest mistake Cashman has made is Stanton. The guy has a ridiculous contract and other than his MVP season, has never been healthy. Plus hes a crappy outfielder and hitter who is home run dependent too. And hes also right handed who strikes out too much. Adding a kid like Florial (if hes ready) next year, would help. Hes got speed something they could really use. The Yanks are built for regular season success, the Astros for post season.
few who think Chapman is a choker - remember 2001 vs the Diamondbacks. Greatest closer of all time, first player ever to be unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame threw away a ball on an easy play for error and then gave up a base hit to lose the World Series.... Sometimes great pitchers get beat by great hitters....ask Osuna what happened 15 minutes earlier.
In my mind, rightly or wrongly, Ottavino giving up the 2 out 1st pitch HR to Springer in game 2 was the series.
few who think Chapman is a choker - remember 2001 vs the Diamondbacks. Greatest closer of all time, first player ever to be unanimously elected to the Hall of Fame threw away a ball on an easy play for error and then gave up a base hit to lose the World Series.... Sometimes great pitchers get beat by great hitters....ask Osuna what happened 15 minutes earlier.
In my mind, rightly or wrongly, Ottavino giving up the 2 out 1st pitch HR to Springer in game 2 was the series.
Totally agree section. The series turned right there.
If Otto does his job they win game 2 and beat Verlander 2-1. They go back to NY up 2-0 and the pressure is really amped up on Cole. There's no telling how he pitches that game under those circumstances or how the Astros psyche is having lost both games at home.
and dupes. A bunch of shitstains who were nowhere to be seen all season long suddenly infest all the postseason Yankees threads, making them practically unreadable.
RE: The worst part of losing is these threads being overrun with trolls
and dupes. A bunch of shitstains who were nowhere to be seen all season long suddenly infest all the postseason Yankees threads, making them practically unreadable.
As bad as the loss the trolls. Best to stay off the thread during the game postseason. The games are tough enough without reading what DBs are spewing....
RE: I took a quick look through the free agent list and its a crappy list
after Cole. I dont think Cashman has a lot of room to manuver unless he makes a lot of trades. Let Didi, Gardner, EE walk. Trade Andujar and Frazier for a pitcher if Hal doesnt want to pony up for Cole.
Strasburg might opt out.
Keep the kids -- esp Andujar. Why sell low, anyway?
He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Yeah when the team was way ahead?! I bet you put this guy on another critical must win game, and he will choke again. Except it he is done..
Its accept it, not except it. Something the rest of us learned in 3rd grade.
How can any objective person be upset at the season? Disappointed in the ending--of course. However, considering the unbelievable amount of injuries this team endured at virtually every position, except Torres, this was an incredible year. Going forward, I just hope that the owner and GM continue to resist the big splashy free agents and stay the course. It's a young team, everywhere but on the mound. We do not need a Stanton type expense. Sign Betances. I would hate to say goodbye to Didi and Gardner, as one remains the heart of the team and the other deserves a pass coming back from a very serious injury and still only 30. Trade Frazier if you can get something decent back. Adios to Voit and EE and finally give up on Bird's potential. Keep Gio, not Maybin and go find a couple of younger pitchers, maybe one of whom is already there in Jordan Montgomery.
My take away from the game was the home plate umpire was wildly inconsistent -
One of DJ's at bat's he called a pitch 2-3 inches out of the strike zone outside a strike and same at bat 2-3 inches out of the strike zone inside called a strike.
Seemed to me that more of these "out of the strike zone calls were going against the Yankees".
But either way, bad job by the UMP, changed batters approach and Yankee pitching.
Have to find guys who strike out far less than the guys on this team.
As much as I like him probably let Didi take his big payday from another team. Could see if Miggy can play 1b and have Miggy, DJ, Torres, Gio as your IF. Judge, Hicks, Fraizer as the OF. Since nobody is taking Stanton's huge contract he can be the DH when he is healthy and hang out with Ellsbury when he is not.
Yankees gave us a great season. The better teams (e.g., Rays and Astros) revealed weaknesses in the Yankees, especially in team pitching (starters and a bullpen that turned out not to be as overwhelming as everyone had predicted), but also in team hitting -- they did not do as well in that department and do it as regularly as had been expected against some pretty ordinary pitching, pitching that, from teams that stocked very good pitchers, silenced and baffled them. Along the way, it must not be forgotten the Yankees had to and did overcome massive injuries to so many of their players that they could have filled more than a single hospital ward, finding people to fill in who were sensational surprises and proved to be great new contributors.
But in the end, the Astros were the better team. No two ways to say this. From top to bottom they were better. Last night's game, the one that turned out to be the Yankees' last for the season, started annoyingly.They gave up three runs in the first to the first few Astro batters and then, in their own halves of the first two innings, managed to leave five -- count 'em -- on base. Very discouraging. Demoralizing in the most crucial game yet played by the Yankees in this October. They did not recover until the ninth, when they excited all of us rooting for them in this frustrating contest by scoring two to tie it up. Great! New shot at it! Still alive! Only to have the Astros rip it away by doing the same thing in the last of the ninth, scoring two on a walk-off HR against our best closer, Chapman, to end the game.
Pretty incredible baseball drama! But we were on the losing end of it.
Big disappointment for the Yankees and their fans here and all over the globe. Now everything on and about the team will be criticized and, hopefully, redone offseason in ways that will enable it to do even better next year.
Grudging congrats must be given to the Astros team and its fans. They should be very proud and go on to win it all. We'll see you again next year.
havent had that much fun watching them since I was a kid. Very likable and very resilient club.
They will make some tweak and content again next year. The timely hits didnt happen and that was the difference. A healthy Severino and Betances coming back are huge, something the trolls dont realize or refuse to admit since the only way you can win apparently is to have 3 aces. Well, we had all 3 aces with their backs against the ball and even just 1 hit changes this series.
The Astros are enjoying the near-dynastic run that we were supposed to have. Their lineup has another 3 maybe 5 year run, but pitching is more uncertain. That overlaps with our cores prime as well. Unfortunately I feel their coaching staff is better so we will have to outspend them. It starts with Cole.
doesnt want another top arm? I really dont get those comments. There isnt anything to fix other than maybe injuries and suspensions which is what effected this series as well.
We lost because the players didnt execute (mainly the lineup) when it mattered most.
RE: This loss is still sitting with me the next day
They were just overmatched. Please fix the pitching Cashman! Hopefully looking at the quality of starters in the WS will convince him.
Overmatched? Did we watch the same series? Were they swept, struck out 20 times in a game or non competitive? No they weren't. Did the Stros kick our pitchers asses and blow us away? Again no.
This series was nip and tuck, and it wasn't like they were dominated in any way. The Stros came through and made a few plays when they had the chances and the Yanks didn't make as many when they had theirs.
Pitching to Altuve in the bottom of the 9th inning with the score tied and two out in game 6 in the ALCS when you have somebody named Jake Marisnick up next.
That's some quality thinking right there Booney.
RE: RE: This loss is still sitting with me the next day
It's really not a surprising outcome, but I still feel somewhat in shock.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
Well Vern couldn't reach your nuts...
But, he is their best player. Could care less about Bregman, Altuve is the guy that drives that team. If there was one guy that was going to beat them, it was Altuve. When Chapman has his usual one man brain fart with Springer, I knew Altuve would be trouble.
And for those wishing to walk Altuve, who walks the winning run to 2nd base...?
It's really not a surprising outcome, but I still feel somewhat in shock.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
Well Vern couldn't reach your nuts...
But, he is their best player. Could care less about Bregman, Altuve is the guy that drives that team. If there was one guy that was going to beat them, it was Altuve. When Chapman has his usual one man brain fart with Springer, I knew Altuve would be trouble.
And for those wishing to walk Altuve, who walks the winning run to 2nd base...?
Who throws a slider in a 2-1 count to the best hitter on their team?
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
Pitching to Altuve in the bottom of the 9th inning with the score tied and two out in game 6 in the ALCS when you have somebody named Jake Marisnick up next.
That's some quality thanking right there Booney.
Pitch around Altuve moves Springer into scoring position. I am sure that was the thinking. I think I would have taken my chances with Marisnick or a pinch hitter, but I can understand the logic.
Astros are a good team. Kind of interesting that in the year of HR, the two teams with 3 good starters made it to the WS.
RE: RE: Who calls the pitches ??? The Yankee pitchers
In comment 14634604 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
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When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
Pitching to Altuve in the bottom of the 9th inning with the score tied and two out in game 6 in the ALCS when you have somebody named Jake Marisnick up next.
That's some quality thanking right there Booney.
Pitch around Altuve moves Springer into scoring position. I am sure that was the thinking. I think I would have taken my chances with Marisnick or a pinch hitter, but I can understand the logic.
Astros are a good team. Kind of interesting that in the year of HR, the two teams with 3 good starters made it to the WS.
Edwin, Didi, and Gardner all turned out to be big holes in the lineup. Stanton was a hole by virtue of being a no-show. That's a big bat missing in a series where a run here or there would have made a big difference.
RE: Turns out there were serious holes in the lineup
Edwin, Didi, and Gardner all turned out to be big holes in the lineup. Stanton was a hole by virtue of being a no-show. That's a big bat missing in a series where a run here or there would have made a big difference.
Don't forget Sanchez
RE: RE: RE: Who calls the pitches ??? The Yankee pitchers
In comment 14634604 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
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When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
Oh, and Chapman never lost FB command mid-outing this season and then got it back next batter.
Well your opinion...end of story.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Who calls the pitches ??? The Yankee pitchers
In comment 14634604 Kevin(formerly Tiki4Six) said:
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
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When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
Oh, and Chapman never lost FB command mid-outing this season and then got it back next batter.
Well your opinion...end of story.
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Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
not worth it. Half these posts read like a 4 game sweep at a score of 30-0.
You're right man and I should know better by now. I'm usually one to let the little things in life just go by as you're right it's not worth it.
The thing is though, I love my teams and they've all been a part of the track of my life and sometimes I feel the need to defend like I would family and friends. I know it's not the same but in a way it kind of is to me.
I'm definitely going to work on ignoring more of those types of posts moving forward but it's a shame how for the most part these threads were pretty great all year. Then when we should be really into it and enjoying where they are, we get so many bullshit posts.
Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
It was sarcasm. He loses the zone often and regains it. You are not paying attention, so fixated on placing a man on second...and his slider was not unoften his best pitch. Whatever, it is not like Altuve can't hit a FB.
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Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
It was sarcasm. He loses the zone often and regains it. You are not paying attention, so fixated on placing a man on second...and his slider was not unoften his best pitch. Whatever, it is not like Altuve can't hit a FB.
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I was paying better attention than Booney, with his Skippy Magoo moment.
You walk Altuve, that's what I said above.
There were other reasons they lost the series,
as I said, when you are down 3-2 in the series,
can't let THAT guy beat you in that situation.
I stand by that feeling. I am sure a lot of people feel that way as well. No margin for error needs to change your approach in that situation.
that you walk the winning run into scoring position where any bloop or bleeder ends the game is just absolutely idiotic. That's baseball 101...you don't walk Altuve there unless the bases are empty.
Chapman threw his slider all year with excellent results. Unfortunately he threw a horrible one to the wrong guy. It was a fun regular season and the usual playoff results. Now well see if Cashman will adjust or just keep doing the same thing over and over.
Astros suck when it comes to posting their lineup..
I'll keep searching.
Chad needs to get through 2 and we can hope for 3..
Even Smoltz said that yeah he is looking bad at the plate now, but he can turn it around in the next AB.
So, you always run what you brung. I'm staying with Gary. Is anyone pulling Gardy for Maybin? No, I did not think so.
Stanton is not healthy. He couldnt even run to 1st base last night. He jogged slowly on a groundball. And his at bats were atrocious
If Gardy had done that, he would have been pulled from the
starting lineup.
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Stanton is not healthy. He couldnt even run to 1st base last night. He jogged slowly on a groundball. And his at bats were atrocious
His at bats were bad yesterday. But EE has looked even worse all series so far. Before yesterday, Stanton was at least working counts.
Somebody needs to produce out of that spot, I have more faith with Stanton on a bad leg than EE at this point in the season. I hope he proves me wrong today!
Stanton was basically in the lineup to hit a HR. He came up with runners on and didn't do it. Didn't even put the ball in play, actually... he struck out. He just looks totally out of sorts. I'll take my chances with Eddy.
Finally, we catch a little break from Verlander, Cole and Greinke here. We have to capitalize and push this thing to a Game 7. Doesn't matter if it's Cole on full rest or not. Once you get there, anything can happen. All it takes is one off night.
Gotta fucking rally here. Let's go, Yanks.
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The fear is a long man like JA Happ. But perhaps on a very short leash. It would be amazing to go up by 3 or more and then have a bit of a cushion if you need to bring him in.
Go Yankees!
Go Yankees!
Some guys including the best ones are dicey on short rest. They want the best version of Cole most likely.
Go Yankees!
Because if they use Cole on 3 days rest, they already burned Verlander, they have no safety net and the Yankees would have Severino starting. If Cole loses Game 6, they would be screwed in Game 7. The Game 4 win gave Hinch the breathing room he needed.
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Shocked Astros arent using Cole tonight. Theyll hold him for a G7. If go for the kill if I were them. Why let the Yanks have a legit shot at taking this to 7 and the momentum would be huge. Gotta win tonight first.
Go Yankees!
Because if they use Cole on 3 days rest, they already burned Verlander, they have no safety net and the Yankees would have Severino starting. If Cole loses Game 6, they would be screwed in Game 7. The Game 4 win gave Hinch the breathing room he needed.
Good point, as well as the post above.
Happ for 1
Otto for 1
Kahnle/Britton/chap get the rest
I bailed for a bit because I found myself getting caught up in stupid BS and I didn't want to hijack the thread and take away from the game.
We're in the ALCS and should be enjoying these games and threads and not allowing stupid shit to derail them. I know we don't have an ignore feature here but I'm gonna use my own and I'm looking forward to getting back to enjoying our great game threads like we've had all year.
Let's go Yanks and get this one.
Happ for 1
Otto for 1
Kahnle/Britton/chap get the rest
Really could have used German tonight. What a douchebag.
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Happ for 1
Otto for 1
Kahnle/Britton/chap get the rest
Really could have used German tonight. What a douchebag.
Yea he would have helped this series for sure.
Keep them off balance and make their hitters see a different pitcher every AB.
Lol
You have to believe this is the opposite of what they discussed. I can't believe they let him out with 7 pitches
I actually agree with this
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Bregman
I actually agree with this
Think that was an unintentional intentional walk
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Bregman
I actually agree with this
Wasted 5 pitched
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Bregman
I actually agree with this
Think that was an unintentional intentional walk
Could have just put up the 4 fingers anyway and not wasted the pitches
Go get Cole in off-season please cash, stop ignoring it.
We gonna need 8+ runs to win to ight
we also need clutch hitters
Irony was Hinch cried about Hicks home run being 315 feet
Yup..but cash says otherwise
Time to get ours.
He got lucky
Go get Cole in off-season please cash, stop ignoring it.
We gonna need 8+ runs to win to ight
Maybe remember we had a damn good starter decide to beat up his girlfriend a week before the playoffs started.
You forget that the almighty Peacock is pitching for Houston tonight.
That second strike was right down the damn middle
I think this guy is calling it pretty good so far
Needed that
I would have bet Sanchez 3 pitch K
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The umpires in this series behind the plate have been comically bad.
I think this guy is calling it pretty good so far
OK, that comically called a strike that was outside by 5"
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The umpires in this series behind the plate have been comically bad.
I think this guy is calling it pretty good so far
What game you watching?
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The umpires in this series behind the plate have been comically bad.
I think this guy is calling it pretty good so far
What game you watching?
Read my reply above Skippy
Gary gets a huge hit to get us on board. Gio works a tough walk. Boy it be nice for garnder to break out here and come up with a huge hit.
If we can hold em down and win maybe this is a wake up game for the bats
he waited. then stared at the spot after the catches pulled it in the zone. Waited more. then called a strike. Ridiculous
that ball is at least a half a foot off the plate. He shouldn't swing.
Gardy should have tore the fuck in to him more than he did.
The strike one on Gio being the most egregious.
He just gave that pitcher an inside and outside strike on Gardner.
Fucking terrible.
Nah, the pitch was outside and after getting umped on the inside one, no way Gardner could think he'd get the outside one called too.
I cant wait to step over this ump when he is sleeping on the sidewalk
boone needs to get thrown out
How does he not give us the call but he does them
He finished the year pretty strong and I'm not pissed to see him in here at all. He's a solid vet who can take advantage of this ump's zone.
Especially since that ump took the same amount of time to look at Happ's ball 3 and call it outside (correctly)
Those were way closer than the crap he called in the top half
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to end that inning. Then you get even more pissed when you see that Happ is in the game. lol
He finished the year pretty strong and I'm not pissed to see him in here at all. He's a solid vet who can take advantage of this ump's zone.
Rather see Happ over guys like Loaisga, Lyons, and ottavino
Just start Happ
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to end that inning. Then you get even more pissed when you see that Happ is in the game. lol
He finished the year pretty strong and I'm not pissed to see him in here at all. He's a solid vet who can take advantage of this ump's zone.
Rather see Happ over guys like Loaisga, Lyons, and ottavino
Agreed. I think we'll see Loaisga at some point but if Happ can get nine outs we may not see Otto.
I was expecting him to call it strike 3
edwin fouled another hittable pitch straight back
Saw that. Eddie with a professional AB for once. Need a huge 2 out hit here from Didi. A little old single will suffice.
That looked like Ellsbury with a blonde wig
How do you not make him pitch a little there?
Bases are juiced and you hit a fucking tee ball groundwr
Didi sucks. Swings at first pitch and does nothing with it.
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Nice, Brian!
Saw that. Eddie with a professional AB for once. Need a huge 2 out hit here from Didi. A little old single will suffice.
Hits a weak ass dribbler. Zero selectivity
Hitting with RISP is an all time low.
Talk about pitching all you want but hitting has let us down more than anything
Hitting with RISP is an all time low.
Talk about pitching all you want but hitting has let us down more than anything
I think going into tonight, the Astros were hitting worse with RISP.
But they have hit HR's.
They haven't had timely hitting
100% agree. That AB was embarrassing for a veteran. You make a guy work there....he gets to a 2-0 count the dude makes a mistake or ends up walking him
changing the AB
That strike one was outside, and he got strikes on both corners
That strike one was outside, and he got strikes on both corners
Their fucking pen blows.
This ump is doing his best to give stros some help
I hate Sanchez but he had two bad calls on him
to be fair the strike 2 call was absurd and made gary swing at the next one
This ump is fucking terrible.
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to be fair the strike 2 call was absurd and made gary swing at the next one
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He is less than inspiring and being in your 30s for the entirety of your next contract, I can't see any way in the world the Yankees pay him, especially with Torres ready to play, SS.
100% agree. That AB was embarrassing for a veteran. You make a guy work there....he gets to a 2-0 count the dude makes a mistake or ends up walking him
You know, because of this series I went back and looked at this numbers with the Yankees. He has had streaks every season where he seems impossible to get out and carries the team, but his final numbers are not great.
You can't have this in a ALCS
Judge here
They don't know that it's out of the zone because the crooked ump is calling it a strike
UMP is helping stros big time
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swinging at the first pitch out of the zone. C'mon, guys. Show some patience.
They don't know that it's out of the zone because the crooked ump is calling it a strike
Yea but make him keep calling it a strike. Judge and dj wouldn't have done anything withthose pitches except hit a weak grounder to second
They are going to try and get some distance out of urquidy. That's good for us. He sucks
Was thinking the same. They really only have Harris and Osuna as legit arms left.
We need a shut down inning here and get him right back out there against the heart of our order. Knock him around a bit and get them scrambling for outs.
There is a distinct bias, across different pitchers.
And an amazing play by Urshela there.
Great play by GIo keeps him off base. But yea, must be nice to have 5 strikes to work with
Not even close to consistency
I know, Smoltz is desperate to see him heat up.
He was a beast in the regular season. Put up sick numbers, over 1.000 OPS
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go out of their way every game to praise Alvarez.
I know, Smoltz is desperate to see him heat up.
Buck sounded deflated by that strikeout. And Smoltz was speechless as usual when things dont go right for Houston
its so frustrating
Considering the stakes, Im into every fucking pitch.
He should have left that pitch alone
I mean it would help to have an ace. Debating thstis pretty silly.
absolutely
Ok so Eddies Ked twice tonight. How about Stanton getting a shot the rest of the night at DH??
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Ok so Eddies Ked twice tonight. How about Stanton getting a shot the rest of the night at DH??
100% should happen
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We're down in this series and game because of our offense shitting itself
I mean it would help to have an ace. Debating thstis pretty silly.
What do you call the game 1/5 performances? Nothing to debat. the offense has been a joke up to this point
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We're down in this series and game because of our offense shitting itself
I mean it would help to have an ace. Debating thstis pretty silly.
What do you call the game 1/5 performances? Nothing to debat. the offense has been a joke up to this point
Carson Wentz
granted
Good call.
Fuck yeah.
So many counts for us and against us have been affected by this living breathing abomination behind HP tonight. In a fucking elimination game none the less.
Not sure who is next but I hope its not Ottavino.
Now we need to get some runs!!
I feel some Gardy magic coming up
Now we need to get some runs!!
I feel some Gardy magic coming up
inside corner of the batters box
Warming
Its really tiring
Play of the game. DJ specialized in the 2 out RBI all season. If ever we needed a monstrous hit, its now.
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Bad luck. Both runs probably score if he doesnt make that catch.
That might even end up inside the park if he missed it altogether. Great catch.
definitely with gardner running
Time to get to Harris. The Yanks are due against him.
Fucking better. Cant expect to keep getting guys on.
Yep, ballsy too. If it gets by him it's a triple and we have the lead.
this hitting is an embarrassment
that is how many left on now?
No. They cant. Thats been the problem with this team for years.
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that would tie it up. In fact, if anyone but Sanchez was on base, he'd have gotten to 3rd to tag up
Exactly. The bad job of not going first to third seems like a little thing. But, it was the difference between tying it up on an out and feeling completely deflated.
He is lazy and not a smart player.
So fucking tired of one pitch ABs
Like game 2 and game 3. Its aggravating.
Which is why I suggested a pinch runner for Sanchez.
I didn't take Fatman's post as him ripping Sanchez, just stating a fact that he's too slow to go 1st to 3rd there.
But the 2 other posts after that? Yikes.
He would have been thrown out by a mile if he tried to go 1st to 3rd.
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that would tie it up. In fact, if anyone but Sanchez was on base, he'd have gotten to 3rd to tag up
Which is why I suggested a pinch runner for Sanchez.
Some are still too focused on the starting pitching. I dont mind improving it. But this series is won already if the offense does what they should
"what the fuck?"
Here we go with this hothead. Better not flush this game away right now.
Yep. We have too short of a bench
Im right there with you.
Agree, but what choice do we have. No way in hell Ottavino should be there
I think we are lucky to get 2 out of cessa. Happy should have gone longer
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run for Sanchez, Romine is slow too. And you have no bench to use someone else to run for Sanchez and then bring Romine in.
Yep. We have too short of a bench
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Fuck
Here we go with this hothead. Better not flush this game away right now.
Heres where we lose it.
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Here we go with this hothead. Better not flush this game away right now.
Heres where we lose it.
it was lost when we left the bases loaded and numerous other runners in scoring position
Any player goes first to 3rd there that's not a catcher. That's not being a better baseball player - it is being faster.
they were at DP depth
Cashman has to change his thinking and Hal has to open his wallet. Otherwise this cores prime will be smothered by the Stros.
There was absolutely no chance to get altuve at home
You're losing. You have to cut that run down at home. 9 outs left and they're giving up a run. They can't score and the Yankees are giving up a run for an out. Asinine
Cashman has to change his thinking and Hal has to open his wallet. Otherwise this cores prime will be smothered by the Stros.
Can Cole hit?
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You cant concede a run there. Thats poor strategy. We have 9 outs left.
You're losing. You have to cut that run down at home. 9 outs left and they're giving up a run. They can't score and the Yankees are giving up a run for an out. Asinine
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they were at DP depth
You cant concede a run there. Thats poor strategy. We have 9 outs left.
I dont disagree. But he had no chance because they played fo the DP. Then tried turning it slow as hell.
Take Cole off the team, Verlander a year older. They already have 1 but their window to win right now is smaller than the Yankees for the next few years.
People are going to overreact to this series if Yankees lose. Sure I want them to sign Cole, but they are in as good of shape as anyone going forward after this year to win the AL. Verlander is going to slow down very soon and Cole is 100% leaving, even if he doesn't go to the Yankees.
Right. The mistake was not having the infield in. Absurd. Boone is a horrendous manager under pressure
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he was running on contact. They had to turn the double play
Right. The mistake was not having the infield in. Absurd. Boone is a horrendous manager under pressure
I could agree with that, the infield needed to at least be close to the grass
we still have scored only 2 runs here. Did nothing after the 1st inning last game. And did nothing the two games before that,
Take Cole off the team, Verlander a year older. They already have 1 but their window to win right now is smaller than the Yankees for the next few years.
People are going to overreact to this series if Yankees lose. Sure I want them to sign Cole, but they are in as good of shape as anyone going forward after this year to win the AL. Verlander is going to slow down very soon and Cole is 100% leaving, even if he doesn't go to the Yankees.
100%
Take away high K guys and take Cole from them and we will be favored for a while
He is a losing player
He does so many things that winning players dont. And he doesn't play to his talent level.
It was just piss poor execution. He just missed it.
Can't have that in the playoffs.
Or 2
He sucks. Romine would have been a fine move. I wouldn't have cared
Theyve been crisp. I dont recall any miscue.
feels like 3-2 was enough
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Writing a master thesis on how not to produce with risp. If we lose, hitters will need to take a long look in the mirror.
Some are still too focused on the starting pitching. I dont mind improving it. But this series is won already if the offense does what they should
Bullshit. Yea the offense hasnt produced to expectation but this is the playoffs. Of course these guys are pressing knowing they have to put up runs to win and when theyre playing from behind almost every game.
These bullpen arms arent being used the best way they could be used. Ideally all these arms should be used to shorten the game. Get 5-6 from a quality starter (or more) and use these guys to lock down the rest of the game. They arent built to be a substitute for a bona fide ace or two.
The Nats are waiting in the WS bc they have two absolute studs and a 3rd quality arm in Corbin. The Astros are in control of this series for the same reason.
This is too much.
That run Boone gave up by playing the infield back was huge. You go from a HR making a tie ballgame to needing a bloop and a blast. I cant wrap my head around that mistake. Its a fucking T-ball alignment.
Ive seen no evidence to give me confidence were going to dent this bullpen. There is zero clutch factor with these guys tonight.
For all Garys power he has been a sub 200 hitter for all of last year and most of this year
I dont think you can say we are in better shape going forward.
Bio makes that play with his pinkie
he needs to focus on contact here
he is swinging out of his shoes...wtf are they doing
We deserve to lose if Boone keeps going to him when he cant even get an out
Stanton can K just as easily as he can.
here comes a BS call
Stanton can K just as easily as he can.
Like an NL pitcher
I don't blame Judge, Brantley is normally a scrub on defense so that's a 1% chance of making the catch which came off
we cant hit at all either. We try to hit a HR every AB
He's trying to make something happen. If that isn't caught, it opens the door to a big inning
He's trying to make something happen. If that isn't caught, it opens the door to a big inning
It was dumb. Hes not getting to 3rd even if the play isnt made.
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another lucky break goes Houston's way
I don't like calling those lucky breaks. That play and the Riddick catch were great catches. Also, Judge had no business getting doubled off. That isn't a lucky break. It is Houston continually making the plays and the Yankees looking ill prepared.
Reddick's might not be that lucky but Brantley has about a 1% chance of making that play. He's a butcher in the outfield
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I don't blame Judge, Brantley is normally a scrub on defense so that's a 1% chance of making the catch which came off
Same here. Anyone who's watched them all year knows Judge is an excellent base runner who gets great reads. He no doubt thought that was gonna fall.
Brantley made a helluva catch but for Buck to call it one of the best DP's ever in the ALCS is quite a bit over the top.
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mind that.
He's trying to make something happen. If that isn't caught, it opens the door to a big inning
It was dumb. Hes not getting to 3rd even if the play isnt made.
Agree. Figure EE Ks next and Didi ground out to 2nd to retire the side after.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He wasn't past 2nd, he was on 2nd
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I don't blame Judge, Brantley is normally a scrub on defense so that's a 1% chance of making the catch which came off
Same here. Anyone who's watched them all year knows Judge is an excellent base runner who gets great reads. He no doubt thought that was gonna fall.
Brantley made a helluva catch but for Buck to call it one of the best DP's ever in the ALCS is quite a bit over the top.
Ive watched them all year and I know how good a base runner Judge is. That, however, was not good.
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is Judge trying to make happen?
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
He wasn't past 2nd, he was on 2nd
Which is dumb. If hes 3/4 he can trot into 2nd if it drops and get back to 1st if its caught.
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
I think it's pretty obvious he thought it was gonna fall in. If it did and got away from Brantley a bit he could get to 3rd. No way did he think Brantley would make that catch.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
What are you talking about? If he drops that ball and it gets away from him, thats a run in a 2 run game. The reward was definitely worth the risk.
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is Judge trying to make happen?
He can't be past 2nd base there under any circumstance. It was a great catch, but there was zero reason for Judge to run the bases that way. The risk was a million times greater than the reward.
I think it's pretty obvious he thought it was gonna fall in. If it did and got away from Brantley a bit he could get to 3rd. No way did he think Brantley would make that catch.
Of course he thought it was going to fall in. That's a once in a lifetime catch from an outfielder of Brantley's caliber (normally below average at best in the field)
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
There was no real reward for Judge. He knows he fucked up, it sucks but what can ya do.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
This is just wrong.
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Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
I am all for good pitching but it wont matter if we score 2 runs a game
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Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
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matter because Brantley made a great catch, but Judge is going to 3rd for sure when a player dives for a ball.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
This is just wrong.
I played baseball the better part of my life. I guess I've had shitty coaching??
If you think a ball will drop or a player will dive for it, you should be at or just beyond the bag and should hopefully be able to get back if the catch ius made. If you can't - you tip your hat for a great play made.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
I agree with you. Judge gets great reads on the bases and he was reading hit there all the way. It might've been the first time all year he misread one land it took a great diving catch by a guy not known for his fielding to cause it.
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Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
Agree. I see it being highly unlikely. But we'll get a meeting and give him a nice tour and presentation
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Pitch better. Hit 3 run hrs. Field light years better. Better.
Yes, but the Yankees has their chances. Like I said, the Yanks must land Cole and change the balance of power between them. Relying on 37 year old Verlander and Grienke you will see the Yankees get past them. Hal has to back up the fucking truck for Cole
As much as they need Cole, I highly doubt they'll get him.
Delvi Garcia had better be the goods then.
Comical at this point. Maybin should punch Boone in the fucking face.
K or DP incoming
And no John, its not both ways
starting in and tailed in even more. On what planet is that a strike
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matter because Brantley made a great catch, but Judge is going to 3rd for sure when a player dives for a ball.
You are coached in those situations to be at the base or just beyond it if a ball looks like it will fall.
It was a great play by Brantley. It happens. Judge can't just go halfway there - that's bad baserunning
This is just wrong.
I played baseball the better part of my life. I guess I've had shitty coaching??
If you think a ball will drop or a player will dive for it, you should be at or just beyond the bag and should hopefully be able to get back if the catch ius made. If you can't - you tip your hat for a great play made.
I played baseball in college. Situationally it was a mental error. If the goal in his mind was to get to 3rd the risk outweighs the reward. At best its first and third with one out and youre looking to at least get a run across on a sac fly. At worst youre getting doubled off to end the 7th inning down two runs.
Just not a smart decision given the series and game situation. The Astros are playing for outs and Judge gave them an easy one.
Sanchez grounds into a double play
Would have taken the K there over that...
He has looked bad at the plate all day
God i hope you're right man
He actually makes next to nothing lol
When he looked at the dugout, he basically gave the signal to hold the payment
Meant to reply to this one. fuck i'm all pissed off
You know that's exactly what would've happened. Isn't it possible Judge played it right but Brantley just made an uncharacteristicly great catch? I think so.
Judge got beat by a heck of a play, and he's made ones like that in RF himself. Pretty sure he doubled someone up earlier in this series while making a catch going towards CF.
Our pen also blew game 2. Our supposed strengths have let us down.
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like "What the fuck! We've been getting both corners all night!"
When he looked at the dugout, he basically gave the signal to hold the payment
Not FOX's fault we choked
He is right for the wrong reasons
It's inexcusable to get doubled off on a popup down 2 runs. Not the worst base running I've ever seen, but you can not ever put yourself in a position to potentially get doubled up on a play like that.
Hence the need for Cole. The Yankees pen is better, but they are gassed. Need starters that can give you 6-7 innings. I know the stats on 3rd time around, but thats why Hal needs to show that the Astros cannot outbid the Yankees. Not for Cole. You get a horse like him and this team will have a ticker tape parade next year
This cunt should be investigated
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If we lose an elimination game that was pitched entirely by bullpens, then can we still claim to have a superior bullpen?
Hence the need for Cole. The Yankees pen is better, but they are gassed. Need starters that can give you 6-7 innings. I know the stats on 3rd time around, but thats why Hal needs to show that the Astros cannot outbid the Yankees. Not for Cole. You get a horse like him and this team will have a ticker tape parade next year
where will his run support come from?
Brantley should have been ked if you are being consistent behind the plate.
We never hit that guy
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if that ball falls, Judge is getting grief if he isn't on 3rd, not praise for going "halfway". Just look at the Sanchez comments earlier.
You know that's exactly what would've happened. Isn't it possible Judge played it right but Brantley just made an uncharacteristicly great catch? I think so.
Judge got beat by a heck of a play, and he's made ones like that in RF himself. Pretty sure he doubled someone up earlier in this series while making a catch going towards CF.
I don't want to belabor it, but when you take chances and it backfires you get second-guessed, but it is still heads-up running. When we forced Correa to make a play in game 2, it was correct to do so. You make the fielder do everything perfectly to get the out. when you aren't aggressive, you get the Sanchez, station-to-station play and if the next guy doesn't hit, the inning ends anyway.
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Can be had if they keep this a 2 run game.
We never hit that guy
I think we go down 1-2-3.
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Runners left on base.
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Runners left on base.
Thats remarkable. WOW
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Runners left on base.
For a sec i thought Mo ...lol
Agree, though Bergman's chill
Beat me to it.
Then we somehow score 2 and lose 5-4.
Saving him for spring training.
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for a run written all over it
Beat me to it.
We're all on the Sam's wavelength. Black Aces too quick
They need him for next year
I think Britton wanted no part of him.
It wasn't even close. Practically a full swing
We need the ghosts to appear now.
what a concept it is to shorten your swing and make contact
It missed. By about as much as he missed the pole earlier.
100%
Nah. Lean in
Dj chases ball 2 smh
Yours truly
Nine-tails
Heck of an AB there just to get that pitch, then to jack it was an incredible piece of hitting
Yea he just swings for fences
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the 1-1 pitch was low and away, called a strike
Game should be investigated.
I'd never thought I'd ever agree with this notion but was a serious joke. The ump is literally horrible
Just told someone the same.
Now, how do you play this pitching wise? Do you go Chapman in a tied ball game?
no way
Most important putting of Chapman's Yankees career.
Rondon or Greinke
Are you a fucking putz every night?
I dont trust Chapman at all.
Anyone will suffice actually
So many at bats changed tonight by terrible umping
Now, how do you play this pitching wise? Do you go Chapman in a tied ball game?
It was a great AB. Battled his ass off and didn't give in, and got knew he could drive and did just that. Amazing.
I think they go Chapman for two at least.
So many at bats changed tonight by terrible umping
hate when he does this
It was 5 pitches.
He did
He is overrated
Altuve just doesn't miss mistakes.
What a kick in the nuts.
Chance of Yanks getting anymore runs was slim lol
Nothing can be done now.
Altuve just doesn't miss mistakes.
What a kick in the nuts.
No they should bring back chap. He is one of if not the best in game.
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Altuve just doesn't miss mistakes.
What a kick in the nuts.
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No they should bring back chap. He is one of if not the best in game.
He is in decline
Because it's Chapman. That's why.
Really sucks.
GTFO
Wasn't it a slider?
Gut-wrenching loss where as bad as we hit, we were a handful of pitches from moving on.
People will overreact to this series loss. It sucks for sure, but this was a terrific season. Fun to watch, guys stepping up through all of the injuries. It hurts like hell right now, but this season is not a failure in my eyes.
Hal has to sign Cole. Doing that changes the outlook for both teams.
Next year has to be the year.
Bullshit. I'd much rather they battled like they did and see DJ get that huge HR than going down quietly. They didn't quit all year and they didn't tonight either. It sucks they lost but I'm proud they battled back to tie.
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
Nah they are solid. Team is built very well.
They had plenty of opportunities to win the series
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Frustrating as heck how their stars come up big and ours wilt.
Wasn't it a slider?
It was a BS hanging slider up in the zone with Jake Marisnekszk on deck. No words.
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Frustrating as heck how their stars come up big and ours wilt.
Wasn't it a slider?
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Nah they are solid. Team is built very well.
Still hateable
Except the Yankees literally hit in the big spot. You really scrape for logic dude.
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Nah they are solid. Team is built very well.
Still hateable
Haha I agree I hate that they own us
Oh shut the fuck up. He's a good closer. He's not Mariano, no one is. You were wrong then and you're still wrong.
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
I will never understand why we didn't push hard for Morton. The offense was excellent and barring having pursued someone like Brantley, we were built to win but had too many players come up small in this series. Outside of DJ and Torres, none of our hitters were remotely good enough to win this series.
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
Yeah, lets go with the kids re: starting pitching. That's certainly worked for this franchise the past 2 decades.
well, he did.
You're batting 1.000 when it comes to mind numbing posts tonight.
Our second line relievers did not.
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hope for some changes rather then hanging on to the same high priced veterans that are now FA's. Was it worth bring CC back this year for his final tour?
I don't need Yanks to go out and out spend others for pitchers. They have a plethora of young arms in the minors so lets go with the kids.
I will never understand why we didn't push hard for Morton. The offense was excellent and barring having pursued someone like Brantley, we were built to win but had too many players come up small in this series. Outside of DJ and Torres, none of our hitters were remotely good enough to win this series.
Torres had a bad 2nd half of the series. He tried hitting everything out. He was swinging out of his shoes. He wasn't the only one.
Cant really complain. 100+ wins with the injuries they had, won the playoff series they were supposed to win. Lost the one to the favorite.
It will be an interesting offseason.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Cant really complain. 100+ wins with the injuries they had, won the playoff series they were supposed to win. Lost the one to the favorite.
It will be an interesting offseason.
Meant to say worst hitters on deck.
Cole isn't returning to Houston. No reason the Yankees should let anyone outbid them.
He couldnt throw it anywhere near the strike zone, and it was very hit table. Thats a problem. His slider and change up dont work as well without the fastball.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
He just doesnt seem like he has command of his pitches. Nothing wrong with his stuff but his location sucks.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Should be exciting!
Cole, Strasburg, Ryu, and Bumgarner all likely hit free agency.
I enjoyed the hell out of this season as well. 78 was fun too but 98 was right up there with it for me. This one is nipping at the heels of those two and that's quite the accomplishment even if it fell short of the ultimate goal.
Add Cole is a MAJOR step. With Verlander a year older and grienke being okay in playoffs....their window is closing fast in terms of pitching. Their bullpen is okay. Their lineup has some clutch hitters but isn't world beating.
Sign Cole
Let Didi walk
Get more guys who hit for avg
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
Then I'll see you right back here a year from now to have th same convo after an alcs loss.
Yanks need to add Cole. We still don't have an ace
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
Then I'll see you right back here a year from now to have th same convo after an alcs loss.
Yanks need to add Cole. We still don't have an ace
I mean I would love signing Cole or Strasburg if he shakes free, hell add Bumgarner too. I just don't see it with how Hal and Cash operatd now. But we'll get a meeting and give Cole his tour
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
Last year, we had a similar situation. I expect us to operate the same way. Trades, smaller signings, and extensions for some guys
Then I'll see you right back here a year from now to have th same convo after an alcs loss.
Yanks need to add Cole. We still don't have an ace
I mean I would love signing Cole or Strasburg if he shakes free, hell add Bumgarner too. I just don't see it with how Hal and Cash operatd now. But we'll get a meeting and give Cole his tour
Adding Cole is pretty significant imo. We also could use less K rate guys in lineup
Not sure that's an easy fix tho
It would be nice to get a starter or two in the offseason. Other than that I don't see wholesale changes that have to be made other than to do a better job staying healthy.
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
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He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
I would be OK going into ST with Voit at 1B (Torres at SS and DJLM at 2B).
No to Voit at 1st. Hes a butcher. DJ looks so smooth there. Id also be working Andujar there this offseason.
The guy was an asshole.
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The guy was an asshole.
Ya it was terrible, and helped cut a couple of innings short.
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Still pretty pissed off with the home plate ump
The guy was an asshole.
Im convinced there was some funny business with him and the astros.
Gardner had pop this year, but Id rather have the old Gardner who just was a headache for pitchers
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
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He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Voits not my clear-cut favorite for 1st next year.
Bye to EE another ancient mariner.
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If Chapman opts out and the Yankees don't pick up Edwin's option, the Yankees have free agent money to spend in a way no 100 win team ever has.
This is going to Cash's dream offseason.
You must have the Yankees confused with the Giants. Obviously they're going to let EE go, but he wasn't making any money. They're already into luxury tax territory and they have to pay Judge who's arbitration eligible, they're probably making offers to Didi and Bentances, and they'd be fools not to try and extend Lemahieu . The only money coming off the books is CC, 8 million and Gardy if they don't resign him. We're still stuck with Ellsbury for another year and Ellsbury 2.0 for another 8 years.
The Yankees have 41M+ room below the competitive tax threshold including Chapman's 17.2M. If he opts out the Yankees are near 60M.
Where are you getting that $41 million number ? It probably assumes that every current player not under contract for 2020 won't be back. The Yankees paid over $45 million to such players among them, Judge. Judge made $700,000 in 2019, I'd be amazed if he makes under $10 million in 2020. Of the others the only ones not coming back are CC ( 8 million ), maybe Gardner ( 7.5 million ) , Bird ( 1.2 million ) and one or two others close to minimum salary. Thats not a lot of savings considering everyone else is getting raises and in Judge's case, a huge raise.
The 41M below the threshold is a factual number of current salary.
Average estimates for arb eligible players to address.
Paxton: 13M
Judge : 7M
Sanchez: 6M
Kahnle: 3M
Urshela: 2M
Green: 1.5M
Bird: 1.2M
Montgomery: 1.2M
Cessa: 1M
If Chapman opts out, that is another 17M.
Andujar makes Didi a luxury in the infield and Betanced would be a cheaper option than Chapman.
Anyway you cut it, the Yankees have plenty of flexibility.
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He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Yeah when the team was way ahead?! I bet you put this guy on another critical must win game, and he will choke again. Except it he is done..
Rest for tomorrow and then get ready for 2020.
Go Expos.
Here are his FIP rankings among ML relief pitchers as a Yankee:
2016 - 1st
2017 - 14th
2018 - 5th
2019 - 5th
GREAT all-time playoff AB by DJ. I was 100% certain Springer was going to catch it since that was the Yankees' luck this series. Series came down to the Yankees' offense letting Verlander and Cole off the hook in games 2 and 3. Neither pitched great, yet the Yankees couldn't get big hits or take advantage in any way.
Oh... BTW, John Flaherty absolutely sucks.
I think we're close. There are some interesting decisions to be made. Go Nats.
The biggest mistake Cashman has made is Stanton. The guy has a ridiculous contract and other than his MVP season, has never been healthy. Plus hes a crappy outfielder and hitter who is home run dependent too. And hes also right handed who strikes out too much. Adding a kid like Florial (if hes ready) next year, would help. Hes got speed something they could really use. The Yanks are built for regular season success, the Astros for post season.
In my mind, rightly or wrongly, Ottavino giving up the 2 out 1st pitch HR to Springer in game 2 was the series.
But, if I might suggest, we leave that for another thread as it will be a long 4 months to pitchers and catchers.
In my mind, rightly or wrongly, Ottavino giving up the 2 out 1st pitch HR to Springer in game 2 was the series.
Totally agree section. The series turned right there.
If Otto does his job they win game 2 and beat Verlander 2-1. They go back to NY up 2-0 and the pressure is really amped up on Cole. There's no telling how he pitches that game under those circumstances or how the Astros psyche is having lost both games at home.
Chapman's other two HRs allowed were harmless solos in save situations where he had leads of 3 and 5 runs and gave up nothing else.
As bad as the loss the trolls. Best to stay off the thread during the game postseason. The games are tough enough without reading what DBs are spewing....
Strasburg might opt out.
Keep the kids -- esp Andujar. Why sell low, anyway?
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He has made his career on his fastball, he has had more rest than anyone on this team and he completely lost it. Without a dominate fastball he is nothing more than a setup man now.
There is a lot to fix this offseason. Need a true Ace, 1B is a question mark, Didi is likely gone, need to hope Betances comes back strong and can be the guy to take over from Chapman. Who is our LF moving forward, hope they give Frazier a shot he needs to get his defense together this team needed his bat bad this postseason.
Agree 100% This guy is cooked. Sorry but he has looked bad for awhile now. He chokes on to many critical games, he cannot be trusted anymore especially in the postseason. They need to find another answer at closer period.
Lol. I jump on the thread late to see what the chatter is, and this is the first post I read.
Chapman was dominant all season. Go crawl back under whatever rock you were hiding under, stupid.
Yeah when the team was way ahead?! I bet you put this guy on another critical must win game, and he will choke again. Except it he is done..
Its accept it, not except it. Something the rest of us learned in 3rd grade.
One of DJ's at bat's he called a pitch 2-3 inches out of the strike zone outside a strike and same at bat 2-3 inches out of the strike zone inside called a strike.
Seemed to me that more of these "out of the strike zone calls were going against the Yankees".
But either way, bad job by the UMP, changed batters approach and Yankee pitching.
Cessa got jobbed as well.
As much as I like him probably let Didi take his big payday from another team. Could see if Miggy can play 1b and have Miggy, DJ, Torres, Gio as your IF. Judge, Hicks, Fraizer as the OF. Since nobody is taking Stanton's huge contract he can be the DH when he is healthy and hang out with Ellsbury when he is not.
But in the end, the Astros were the better team. No two ways to say this. From top to bottom they were better. Last night's game, the one that turned out to be the Yankees' last for the season, started annoyingly.They gave up three runs in the first to the first few Astro batters and then, in their own halves of the first two innings, managed to leave five -- count 'em -- on base. Very discouraging. Demoralizing in the most crucial game yet played by the Yankees in this October. They did not recover until the ninth, when they excited all of us rooting for them in this frustrating contest by scoring two to tie it up. Great! New shot at it! Still alive! Only to have the Astros rip it away by doing the same thing in the last of the ninth, scoring two on a walk-off HR against our best closer, Chapman, to end the game.
Pretty incredible baseball drama! But we were on the losing end of it.
Big disappointment for the Yankees and their fans here and all over the globe. Now everything on and about the team will be criticized and, hopefully, redone offseason in ways that will enable it to do even better next year.
Grudging congrats must be given to the Astros team and its fans. They should be very proud and go on to win it all. We'll see you again next year.
They will make some tweak and content again next year. The timely hits didnt happen and that was the difference. A healthy Severino and Betances coming back are huge, something the trolls dont realize or refuse to admit since the only way you can win apparently is to have 3 aces. Well, we had all 3 aces with their backs against the ball and even just 1 hit changes this series.
Thats baseball.
We lost because the players didnt execute (mainly the lineup) when it mattered most.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
- Armando Benitez
L.I. Ducks
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It's really not a surprising outcome, but I still feel somewhat in shock.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
Totally. Just totally.
Altuve is a great hitter and one of the best if not the best in the game. Should have just walked him.
But!!!!!! This game and series did not come down to that last pitch.
Yankees had guys on in every inning and failed to rally . This series is on the lineup, not the pitching!!!
The fact that they almost got this to 7 games was incredible.
Yankees need to find more guys like DJL and less like Stanton/EE.
Overmatched? Did we watch the same series? Were they swept, struck out 20 times in a game or non competitive? No they weren't. Did the Stros kick our pitchers asses and blow us away? Again no.
This series was nip and tuck, and it wasn't like they were dominated in any way. The Stros came through and made a few plays when they had the chances and the Yanks didn't make as many when they had theirs.
That's some quality thinking right there Booney.
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It's really not a surprising outcome, but I still feel somewhat in shock.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
Well Vern couldn't reach your nuts...
But, he is their best player. Could care less about Bregman, Altuve is the guy that drives that team. If there was one guy that was going to beat them, it was Altuve. When Chapman has his usual one man brain fart with Springer, I knew Altuve would be trouble.
And for those wishing to walk Altuve, who walks the winning run to 2nd base...?
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
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It's really not a surprising outcome, but I still feel somewhat in shock.
Having DJ tie it and then have Vern Troyer beat us was a kick to the nuts.
Well Vern couldn't reach your nuts...
But, he is their best player. Could care less about Bregman, Altuve is the guy that drives that team. If there was one guy that was going to beat them, it was Altuve. When Chapman has his usual one man brain fart with Springer, I knew Altuve would be trouble.
And for those wishing to walk Altuve, who walks the winning run to 2nd base...?
Who throws a slider in a 2-1 count to the best hitter on their team?
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
That's some quality thanking right there Booney.
Astros are a good team. Kind of interesting that in the year of HR, the two teams with 3 good starters made it to the WS.
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
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Pitching to Altuve in the bottom of the 9th inning with the score tied and two out in game 6 in the ALCS when you have somebody named Jake Marisnick up next.
That's some quality thanking right there Booney.
Pitch around Altuve moves Springer into scoring position. I am sure that was the thinking. I think I would have taken my chances with Marisnick or a pinch hitter, but I can understand the logic.
Astros are a good team. Kind of interesting that in the year of HR, the two teams with 3 good starters made it to the WS.
And the two teams with the most HR's didn't.
Don't forget Sanchez
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
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When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
Oh, and Chapman never lost FB command mid-outing this season and then got it back next batter.
Well your opinion...end of story.
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Have been beaten like a drum with their secondary pitches all year long.
As soon as Altuve didnt chase the fastball high and outside he should have been walked!!!
They follow analytics all year long !!! Cant tell me the right call was to throw a slider down 2-1 in the count.
Another walk the winning run to 2nd base advocate...
Do you remember how devastating that slider for Chapman was all year and it was getting better every month? And I guess you forgot the 103 mph FB that Devers hit of Chapman that was at eye level and Devers is not, nor will he ever be, Altuve.
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When you have Jake Marisnick sitting on deck, and the count reached 2-0, you walk Altuce. I'll take my chances
with Marisnick. Chapman had lost his fastball command
against Springer, and walked him.
Maybe he rediscovers it against Jake the Snake, but
I am NOT letting Altuve beat me. The Yanks had no margin for error, don't pitch to him, case closed, sorry.
Then Chapman has that shit ass smile on his face, like WTF is that?
Oh, and Chapman never lost FB command mid-outing this season and then got it back next batter.
Well your opinion...end of story.
Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
You're right man and I should know better by now. I'm usually one to let the little things in life just go by as you're right it's not worth it.
The thing is though, I love my teams and they've all been a part of the track of my life and sometimes I feel the need to defend like I would family and friends. I know it's not the same but in a way it kind of is to me.
I'm definitely going to work on ignoring more of those types of posts moving forward but it's a shame how for the most part these threads were pretty great all year. Then when we should be really into it and enjoying where they are, we get so many bullshit posts.
There were two posters who didn't say jackshit during the season who all of a sudden are on the game threads.
I don't know why they kept posting when the series was over after game 2....
Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
It was sarcasm. He loses the zone often and regains it. You are not paying attention, so fixated on placing a man on second...and his slider was not unoften his best pitch. Whatever, it is not like Altuve can't hit a FB.
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Actually he has, you weren't paying close enough attention. He also got beat on his second best pitch last night to a hitter like Altuve, c'mon you can't do that,
if you are not going to walk him.
It was sarcasm. He loses the zone often and regains it. You are not paying attention, so fixated on placing a man on second...and his slider was not unoften his best pitch. Whatever, it is not like Altuve can't hit a FB.
I was paying better attention than Booney, with his Skippy Magoo moment.
You walk Altuve, that's what I said above.
There were other reasons they lost the series,
as I said, when you are down 3-2 in the series,
can't let THAT guy beat you in that situation.
I stand by that feeling. I am sure a lot of people feel that way as well. No margin for error needs to change your approach in that situation.
Great season of guys stepping up.
I'm grateful. Thank you Yankees!
Don't get the sour grapes.