Every week. Same stuff. And they talk about Betcher exactly like they they did about McAdoo. Smart. Innovative. Except you never see or hear anything like that week after week.
keep deferring to the second half? Geesh this guy is clueless.
exactly. just clueless. if I were Shurmur I'd walk over and Buddy Ryan Betcher right in the face. this is just so frustrating. 5 minutes into the game and I'm already pissed off.
sucks, so why put them on the field when you win the coin toss? Put your offense on the field and try and let the Defense play with a lead. Shurmur is clueless.
Is that they even have a better OFFENSIVE coordinator too! Great play-calling by their OC, just completely exposed the Giants like they did their homework! Watch Shitty Shumur's play-calling like he didnt do his homework..
wouldn't it be BETTER if we had brought the house the first two times we had the Cards on third down, when they couldn't go for it on fourth down if they missed? and if we screwed up and gave up a long TD who cares? it's better than keeping your D out there for 14 plays and wearing them down.
Shurmur cant even do what he is known to do best, teach a QB how to play??!! It's not the players guys, IT'S the COACHING STAFF!!! This team has not coaching staff. it is horrible..
t you guys shitting on jones....
its his FIFTH game guys....
You'll be saying it after his FIFTIETH game. But we have bigger problems... this coach has no resume. They'll give Shurmur half of next year and will then show him the door.
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
How long does Shurmur have? Hes shown enough to me that hell never be more than a Coordinator
it will be interesting if they lose this game there is real strong possibility this team is 2-11 with 9 straight losses. Have to fire him if thats the case.
Talked about a team that is so ill prepared
as these guys are forget the defense there not eve
laying a glove on a guy twice from 20 yards out
and the QB is already shell shocked . Barkley
will be keyed on and Jones will respond or implode..
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
I'm not really seeing a gimmick here. Their offense looks pretty normal to me and Murray isn't even moving around that much. Our defense is just bad.
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
That joke of a team has looked a lot more competitive than the Giants this year.
Then again, save for Miami and Washington who hasn't?
want to be sympathetic to Jones, especially since he was throwing into extremely tight windows the last few weeks since he basically had no offensive weapons. But he has made some truly awful decisions and throws.
The defense is just mind boggling. We are being fooled by simple fakes and misdirections.
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
I'm not really seeing a gimmick here. Their offense looks pretty normal to me and Murray isn't even moving around that much. Our defense is just bad.
its a run and shoot with a ton of motion. its pretty gimmicky and i think people will catch on to kingsbury
How long does Shurmur have? Hes shown enough to me that hell never be more than a Coordinator
it will be interesting if they lose this game there is real strong possibility this team is 2-11 with 9 straight losses. Have to fire him if thats the case.
And one of those wins was due to a missed chip shot field goal and the other was against Dwayne Haskins.
Betcher is getting drilled by a fucking college coach.
Eli going to do. You stick with Jones no matter what. Either you see improvement or you pull a Cardianls move (unlikely but you never know with Fromm, Tua, Herbert, Morrow and Eason and Lawrence a year later).
And track record, ZERO seasons in the nfl with a winning record, and counting, how the eff did his record not disqualify him as a head coach candidate? Its like hiring a pilot with no flights that did not crash, makes me sick.
some folks insisted at minimum Daniel Jones was a QB you could win two championships with? I mean i hope he is, but the minimum remains a lot lower than that..
Has to go, there is no such thing as he is good for the QB, his team a are unprepaired, he is just a stupid man, and horrible coach. The Giants need to fire him now, get him out of here, Jones is getting worse and now does not look like a QB any team would want, this is all coaching. The game last week was a Patriot team playing in coast because they don't need to get up for the Giants, they,are not even competitive against any team but horrible teams having a horrible day, like the Redskins. But you guys keep agreeing with one another and convince yourselves your right because of the numbers. The Giants will come back today when the game is 35-10 and the Cards soften up their defense and then you all think that is progress, it is not.
Guess I should be thankful for being late to the game since it seems the Giants, especially the defense, remain a total horror show disaster -- though my first plays online today were the loss of eight yards by Barkley and a long incomplete by Jones on third and who knows how many. I'll read the thread now to see what has happened.
Giantd are a shitshow and to top it off the ranger are down 1-0 as well.
Hopefully the offseason will land us Geritt Cole, an actual NFL coach and Quinton Byfield.
Don't mention the two in the same post. The Yankees fought to the bitter end against a team that won a championship with their current roster and has been to three ALCS in a row.
The Giants are a shit organization from top to bottom.
You do know this team was 8-26 in the last 2 years under a different QB right? You know that?
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
He is still the best option. We could have taken a pro-level linebacker. the way the offense looks we can throw anyone out there to play quarterback and it wouldn't make a difference.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA We are the new bottom feeders. Actually we aren't new bottom feeders. I'm just new to realizing how exactly AWFUL this team is from the coaching staff on down.
You do know this team was 8-26 in the last 2 years under a different QB right? You know that?
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
He is still the best option. We could have taken a pro-level linebacker. the way the offense looks we can throw anyone out there to play quarterback and it wouldn't make a difference.
But Mara told us that Shurmur is brilliant, the best we can do!
What did they do after the Thursday night game? And you are playing a west coast team. The inside linebackers have been crap after Connolly went down.
The defense still plays way too far off the receivers. And the Cardinal running game is killing them right now.
I hate the play calling by Shumer. If you want to be a play caller then become a OC not a head coach. And the DC is total garbage. He doesnt play Ballantine or Love.
Its just awful. Why defer when you dont make any half-time adjustments anyway.
but their is zero excuse to be this unprepared EVERYWHERE with 12 days to prepare. And I dont want to hear about how unorthodox the Cards are on offense. No excuses. If Gettleman cant see how uncompetitive and unprepared they are than hes just as guilty and blind.
finally realizes that he should never be a head coach in this league ever again. This is what happens when you go with the "safe" hire. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I've seen enough now. This team is just absolutely horrible.
Belongs in professional football. They are confirming my idea that the only hope for this team is to force Mara to sell it to someone new who will fire each and every person now involved with it.
just get rid of this rule. Makes no sense if you don't enforce it. There shouldn't be some subjective bullshit like how egregious it was. Call it by the book you shits
and less prepared by the week. I dont think even the old fool can justify bringing Shurmur back if we finish 4-12 and Jones doesnt remove any doubt hes the QB of the future.
Tank and get a high draft pick and trade down for more draft capital
Fire Shurmur. Bettcher. Shula
Draft two offensive lineman with your two top draft picks
Spend the 80 million dollars in cap space on defense
In the interim prior to trade deadline
Try and trade Jenkins and Ogletree Tate and possibly Solder for whatever you can get
when you realize that its 2019, the league aint sending us a new George Young, and after Shurmur goes (and lets be honest, that's after next season, they arent gonna cut bait get cuz hey, Giants) Mara and Co will bungle the coaching search. Again.
His record wasn't great at the end but at least those teams were competitive.
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
His record wasn't great at the end but at least those teams were competitive.
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
The 2015 Giants were 6-10, and lost 7 of the 10 games when they were tied or had the lead in the final two minutes.
His record wasn't great at the end but at least those teams were competitive.
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
Actually, we were competitive in many games under TC with less talent than now. I think he was the difference.
Made here that I thought was insightful was that he never sensed a plan of attack in the offensive game. I dont see one here yet. Its still early, so...
am startled at how bad we are on both sides of the ball. We're being bamboozled by simple screens, ball fakes, and edge runs. The Cardinals have thrown one deep pass.
On offense, the Cardinals are smartly attacking Barkley, and waiting for Jones to do something to make them back off. Our OL is again a disappointment.
The only reason these pass interference challenges have been implemented, it's because the NFL was taken so much heat for the saints Rams championship game last year. I guarantee you they told the refs, do not overturn your calls! They didn't want to add pass interference challenges, but they knew they fucked up last year with the saints Rams game. All they did adding the pass interference, was to take heat off NFL for that blown call last year!
But what the hell was the safety baker looking at? He could have easily made a play on the ball there. Let's pray for a turnover to really get back into this one.
Unfortunately our coach is an incompetent fool, hired by a fool of GM and paid by owners who are fools.
Top to bottom incompetence.
So, you did not think that was an egregious call? In my mind, the WR initiated contact and should have been called, besides the fact he fell down.
But WTF, just another excuse for your daily rant. Please go root for another team if you don't like the options here.
It doesn't matter how egregious it is. They aren't getting overturned. Everyone knows that challenging is a waste of a timeout.
Fuck off already. You idiots with the blue glasses are a big part of the problem.
its a 30 yard penalty. you have to challenge. it wasnt even close to PI. uncatchable plus the wr fell. its a oke and the league needs to get rid of it. you cant just say ahhh no challenge they wont overturn. they SHOULD be oerturning those. shits a joke and the leage us a joke for that
RE: Anyone else wondering if Barkley got dinged on the 20 yarder?
That blow to the head on Murrays run should probably have been flagged. We got away with one there.
His teammate collided into him, on the replay it was clear he didn't intentionally do anything.
. It might very well have been called anyway. Its imperative in todays climate to avoid any hits to the QB that look late, especially to the head. Not a savvy vet play by #47%.
but a good safety picks that off. Happy some positive vibez for DJ though
This is so fucking stupid. A) Baker is a good safety and B) you can say that about half of the td passes in the league.
Greg Olsen said the same thing...he has no idea what the safety was doing...didn't make any play on the ball. Hey I'll take it but ellison could have got f*cked up
It. It was a big play and even a low probability of reversing what I thought was an iffy call was worth the lost time out.
If the league was overturning any of those PI calls then yes it's no brainer throwing the flag. Unfortunately it's not being reversed at all so it's a waste of a challenge and a time out just to make a point
It. It was a big play and even a low probability of reversing what I thought was an iffy call was worth the lost time out.
If the league was overturning any of those PI calls then yes it's no brainer throwing the flag. Unfortunately it's not being reversed at all so it's a waste of a challenge and a time out just to make a point
My issue with this is that referees KNOW these calls wont be overturned so they are calling so much BS pass interference penalties with zero repercussions. What the league is doing is so transparent and foolish. Its such a bad look.
Even when they score, it takes almost a perfect pass by the QB. Guys are always double or triple coverage. They dont fool anyone on offense. Never a guy wide open
Even when they score, it takes almost a perfect pass by the QB. Guys are always double or triple coverage. They dont fool anyone on offense. Never a guy wide open
This. The throws have to be absolutely perfect every time. It's an unrealistic expectation. I don't know if it's the route combos or what, but we never have anyone with any separation.
Yes. He definitely has a future in that role. Good observations, and doesn't dominate the discussion. And no histrionics.
He's ok. Way too many they need to get off the field on 3rd downs. Enough. Everybody heard him the first 40 times. Correct or not, does not need to be repeated every time.
also looking around and not staring at a receiver. This is what gets me excited about him. Hopefully he doesn't have any more stretches of rookieness in this game. I would love to see Barkley make a couple big plays that stand.
Yeah, don't see why people are complaining about that one. It might have been missed had Barkley not been running by the guy who had his arm out towards him while Hernandez held him.
Why not go for a high percentage shiort pass to a crossing receiver to gain a few yards and maybe set them up for a FG? To me, that is a more egregious coaching decision than putting late in the Patriots defeat.
Second coach in a row that hasnt sparked the magic needed to win in league . Time to move on
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
really like the way Jones bounced back after the INT. But I'm concerned about all those tight windows he has to throw into on a regular basis. Our receivers just can't get any separation, even with SB, and the drops are ridiculous.
Our OL is still a problem. There is too much pressure on Jones.
On defense, simple ball fakes and end runs are killing us. The Cardinals used them to dominate possession.
This is my first viewing of Kyler Murray in the NFL.
As you can tell I love Barkley, but he has to just fall down instead of trying to play tag with the entire defense. I think he cost us a potential FG.
I feel like he should have tried to keep it inside instead of bouncing outside. At least it would've been no gain instead of a loss. But with his inhuman abilities I feel like he had a seam to try to get through.
Second coach in a row that hasnt sparked the magic needed to win in league . Time to move on
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
Move on to the next hope.
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
Still sucks. Jones is still under duress most of the time, two holding penalties, and poor run blocking. How much more money do we need to spend on this line to get it right?
Can we get a WR to actually make tough catches outside Tate.
And to think a large contigent of people here were bitching about his signing. Thank God the next class is super deep, we are definetly taking someone in midrounds to bolster the WR depth.
Landon Collins - People here have been lying about Collins
Theyre so desperate to defend letting a 24 year old All Pro walk for nothing. Stats by ESPN.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
And people really need to stop Bitching about deferring
Second coach in a row that hasnt sparked the magic needed to win in league . Time to move on
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
Move on to the next hope.
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
Thats a legitimate fear. I think Shurmur is a placeholder until the team is ready. But when the time comes, I hope the giants identify their guy early and are aggressive. Mara typically follows league protocol and misses out on some guys
RE: Landon Collins - People here have been lying about Collins
Theyre so desperate to defend letting a 24 year old All Pro walk for nothing. Stats by ESPN.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
No shit he's having a good game, they are playing a run heavy team with little passing game. Sample size of 1 hardly proves anything.
RE: Landon Collins - People here have been lying about Collins
Theyre so desperate to defend letting a 24 year old All Pro walk for nothing. Stats by ESPN.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
He wasnt worth the price of admission.
RE: RE: Can we stop Defending Shurmur and company?
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
. This is mistakenly reversing the causality direction. Good teams make good hiring decisions which allow the coaches to have tenures >2 years. Bad teams make bad coaching hires and are forced to replace them quickly.
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
Barkley is trying to make too much happen after being sidelined
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
. This is mistakenly reversing the causality direction. Good teams make good hiring decisions which allow the coaches to have tenures >2 years. Bad teams make bad coaching hires and are forced to replace them quickly.
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
Ok, I'll give you that, but I want to wait until this season is over. Right now, I'm still in the 'keep Shurmur " camp.
Yeah if you have a staff who can process what's happened in the 1st half and actually make adjustments for the first drive coming out. Unfortunately we're not lucky enough to have that.
Receivers dont get open and get any separation, when he hits them they drop half his passes -the drops by fowler and engram were egregious, barkley runs backwards way too much, and shurumur play calling is so bland .
Im not sure what more he can do at this point until he gets some more help from coaching and personnel
Until we have an offensive coordinator calling plays. There are head coaches with the capacity to do this. Shurmur has repeatedly shown he isnt one of them.
Theyre so desperate to defend letting a 24 year old All Pro walk for nothing. Stats by ESPN.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
No shit he's having a good game, they are playing a run heavy team with little passing game. Sample size of 1 hardly proves anything.
back from injury but can Shurmur use him more frequently? Look at how the Panthers use McAffrey and Saints use Kamara. Its like Shurmur doesnt want to give Barkley the ball two times in a row.
we can all move on. His play calling and lack of aggression are terrible. I have seen more then enough of him to know he has no creativity, aggression, or ability to elevate the personnel on the team
we definitely need to add a WR in offseason. someone who can separate. tate and shep arent bad, but we need someone to stretch field, we just ont have that...
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
. This is mistakenly reversing the causality direction. Good teams make good hiring decisions which allow the coaches to have tenures >2 years. Bad teams make bad coaching hires and are forced to replace them quickly.
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
They are getting right to the edge of field goal rang where they can tie up the game at least. They have a chance to run it again and continue to soften up the defense and he gets sloppy with his play calling.
I was in support of him but he is losing me very fast.
can the Cardinals run Edmunds, but we can't with Barkley? Our OL is barely better than last year. There is constant pressure from the edges and up the middle.
Was a make up call for no flag going down on Ogletree in the first half. Carters hit was a glancing blow with no malice intended. Not sure it matters since our run defense is in tatters.
can the Cardinals run Edmunds, but we can't with Barkley? Our OL is barely better than last year. There is constant pressure from the edges and up the middle.
Better coaching the play design is better and our defense is a joke
Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Why don't we wait for Eli's 21 million in cap space to come on the books before we declare our rookie a bust brainiac?
How many yards is Engram going to get on that play
Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Why don't we wait for Eli's 21 million in cap space to come on the books before we declare our rookie a bust brainiac?
Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Eli is still done.
I hope you have noticed how badlu or OL stil sucks hairy fucking moose balls???
But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
is holding the ball for forever because our receivers can't get any separation. That's also why he's throwing into absurdly tight windows almost every time. It's up to the coaches to design some plays to at least mitigate that problem.
I dont like the feel of the team with him in charge. I know people can change and improve but I just dont like the Giants play under him. They seem soft and not very mentally tough.
For sure the slowest team speed in the country, and that includes all women jv touch football leagues. The entire coaching, scouting, training staffs must go, cause all they produce is this shit show.
is holding the ball for forever because our receivers can't get any separation. That's also why he's throwing into absurdly tight windows almost every time. It's up to the coaches to design some plays to at least mitigate that problem.
Agree Shurmur is a loser and he does not inspire
winning . His play calling just totally lacks imagination .
Betcher has been schooled as well .
But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
is holding the ball for forever because our receivers can't get any separation. That's also why he's throwing into absurdly tight windows almost every time. It's up to the coaches to design some plays to at least mitigate that problem.
Shurmur told the team he didn't want to talk about playoff position, he got that one 100% correct. We don't stop the run, we don't stop the pass, we don't rin.the ball, we don't pass the ball, we block punts, we miss easy field goals once again, his second poor season out of three, we have a horrendous punter, we have good coverage teams. We have horrible coaching and questionable GM. When we lost Coughlin we lost the only person with good football knowledge.
is holding the ball for forever because our receivers can't get any separation. That's also why he's throwing into absurdly tight windows almost every time. It's up to the coaches to design some plays to at least mitigate that problem.
Offensive scheme is awful. No one is ever open
This, no one is open. Hes always going to have to throw into tight windows
But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
But we hot him a Wco weenie HC to throw to open receivers for a the magic 70% completion goal.
But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
He's a rookie. He can't do it it all. He needs to play perfect in order for them to win. That's how it works.
Drops? Easy throws, they're dropped.
Holding penalties? Constant.
Defense losing contain? It has happened a ton.
They last turnover was placed at the 50. That's no excuse to get gashed so bad on the ground. How many sacks do they have? How many TFL?
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
RE: Can see cards aren't worried, despite conditions,
Jones is very indecisive that is why he is holding the ball forever, he has no confidence,people are going to have a ball with us passing on Darnold for this guy. Barkley is.making a huge difference for us isn't he.
The Giants are showing signs of improvement on both offense and defense, but are prone to crucial mistakes. Maybe they can pull the game out in the fourth quarter. That would tell us a lot.
is a huge problem with this team. It needs to be addressed.
Procedure penalties, questionable playcalling and in-game decisions, regularly appear to be oit-maneuvered by opposing coaching staffs, undisciplined with dumb penalties every week...
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
bro relax...nobody said in order and i was messing around because its our two biggest issues today. chill out eman.
RE: This coaching staff gets consistently outschemed, they all need to
Was in the pocket long enough to make a sandwich and call his mom. Kid is starting to make me nervous. I guess its a sign of steely nerves but he does nothing thst indicates he knows tjat lightening fast 280lb men are trying to kill him.
That sucks but that there was easily the best drive of the game from either rookie QB. Keeping fighting! Go Giants! Defense! Perfect time for our first takeaway! Jack Rabbit! Peppers! Step up and answer the bell!
Haley is poor in pass defense but he made a nice play on Kyler
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
bro relax...nobody said in order and i was messing around because its our two biggest issues today. chill out eman.
Well I already know your reading comp sucks but try and learn how to actually say what you mean. You friggin listed them in order, which said that's what you thought they had to do.
a stop
Bethea 9 Tackles
Haley 8 tackles
Ogletree 8 tackles .
Baker Has been solid as well .
Really? The Cardinals have gone with an ultra conservative gameplan and haven't challenged this defense at all. Play this way against the Lions, they will put up 50
No feel at all, horrible, and there is no way he improves with this jackass of a head coach. The team is making no progress at all. They are getting worse every year.
i am now in fire his ass group after schurmers terrible play calling
...that 3rd and 20 will be known as the play that got Shurmur fired. It'll be up there with the 3rd and 18 play, the fumble, the catch and every milestone play in Giant's history.
Hes a big reason why this team is so bad. I always laugh when fans complain that we bitch about the coaching too much and that its the players. Well...its both. But Shurmur is really bad. And he just sealed the L for this game with that moronic play calling.
That was not on Jones, it was fourth and fifteen, he had to let the play develop. PP came like a missle
He coughs up the ball nearly every time he gets hit in the pocket.
It was a blindside hit and does the fumble really matter. It was fourth down, the cardinals wouldve got the ball there anyway.
Brady fumbled on a similar hit last week
don't blame Slayton for bringing it out. He's the only one with speed. It's a risk worth taking with only two minutes left, no time outs, and needing a TD.
Yeah, Murray does the Giants a favor by running out of bounds and Kingsbury has been in a coma most of the second half. Only the Power of Shurmur has kept the Cards in the lead.
Where are the data analysts in the booth helping with game management?
Oh that's right, analytics are stupid.
And so is this putrid offensive line, which was supposed to be his specialty.
This team is worse with him and Shurmur than it was under Reese and McAdoo.
don't blame Slayton for bringing it out. He's the only one with speed. It's a risk worth taking with only two minutes left, no time outs, and needing a TD.
I know there are a lot in this current NFL (if dont think there is you arent paying attention) but this team stinks and a lot of it is on the coaching staff.
but they're far, far better than we are. They have a game plan on both sides and stick to it, and while they're not exactly star-studded they've got a couple of difference makers on their defense in Jones and Peterson
Equals stupid players. Slayton makes them start in a hole. No coaching on what to do,Shurmur got his play selection to worry about. Watch this game winning drive attempt. LOL. Should be comical.
don't blame Slayton for bringing it out. He's the only one with speed. It's a risk worth taking with only two minutes left, no time outs, and needing a TD.
Can go also. Should have instructed Slayton to stay in the endzone. The biggest problem on this team is STILL the offensive line.They are atrocious. Sorry, but not that much better then last year. Jones is hurried just about every pass. This was DG's first priority,right?
Shumer was probably thinking about what plays to call after the kickoff instead of managing the overall game. Which includes telling the runner to stay in the endzone.
but they're far, far better than we are. They have a game plan on both sides and stick to it, and while they're not exactly star-studded they've got a couple of difference makers on their defense in Jones and Peterson
would be nice if we drafted 1 or 2 difference makers on defense.
But down 6, in the rain, 2 minutes, no timeouts, 88 yard to go... I don't think Daniel Jones is ready for this situation, and I don't think the line is giving him the support he'd need to lead a game-winning drive.
But I think we have garbage for coaching. And I expect that Mara will hold on too long. We are so fooked. I'm unable to find hope for this team, and I've been watching since '75. Shame.
but they're far, far better than we are. They have a game plan on both sides and stick to it, and while they're not exactly star-studded they've got a couple of difference makers on their defense in Jones and Peterson
They aren't better than us. This team is awfully coached and its never been more apparent than the last two weeks.
Actually happening in real life? That drive is almost impossible to accomplish. Holy shit. This team plays stupid sloppy football. Epic losers. Shurmur can go now
these last three games were all winnable. Don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign moving onto next year. Pretty much lost all confidence in the coaching staff now.
these last three games were all winnable. Don't know if that's a good sign or a bad sign moving onto next year. Pretty much lost all confidence in the coaching staff now.
But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Too early to say he is a bust BUT he did a bunch of questionable things. If they dont get corrected and comes next year with the same mistakes then it will be an issue.
pretty close to rock bottom for the Giants franchise. This Cardinals team is absolutely awful and they came in here and absolutely manhandled the Giants.
Shurmur is a total zero. If they bring him back next year then they deserve to continue losing at an insane clip.
Gettleman's "rebuild" of the offensive line doesn't look so hot. He has 1 building block, another decent player, the most overpaid LT in the sport, and two awful players. And zero depth.
RE: Jones coughing up the ball is a definite problem now.
They need to work with him on that this week. Rain or no rain, you hit him and he coughs up the ball. He's been doing this the last few weeks.
Yup. If he can't fix that, he can't play in this league.
Just remembering though that the whole point of this season is to have him learn stuff like that. He's a rookie, he's gonna play like a rookie. My problem is that right now, he's not correcting his mistakes. That concerns me.
But it is still the offensive line that is the biggest problem. Eight sacks with three holding penalties and our quarterback hurried or hit on just about every throw. Shurmur and this staff are awful but this is Dave Gettleman's team. Isn't this the guy that said priority number 1 is to fix the o-line? He has signed two players(one to a HUGE contract),traded for another, and used a very high(#2 in the round)to pick another. The result? You guys know what it is. Gettleman is a disaster. Posters here rave about his draft picks. Give me a break. Barkley is great but a very debatable selection. Hindsight is 20/20 but the choice should have been Nelson or Darnold. The rest of his picks? Who knows? I haven't seen many impact plays by his draft picks. We can't fire Mara but IMO, everyone else needs to go. we are 2-5,and should be 1-6 but wither way, this team won't win more then 5 games, if that. Sound familiar?
Then the GM the year after. Hopefully we will know about the QB in 3 more year. Barkley will be 27 by then.....
I really wish the Maras would just go away.
If we have to live through PS next year too I'm not sure I'll make it through. Good thing my life insurance is paid up and my kids and grand kids will be able to enjoy the Giants future coach.
RE: RE: RE: 8 sacks. Getting hit all day long with zero time to throw.
But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
management needs to have its eyes open. I'm still hopeful about DJ but there is a non-zero chance he is not the answer.
Can you repost that in English so we can understand what the hell you're trying to say? I get the first part about management but after that it's kinda tough
lost their starting jobs when the team goes on to win like 10 games in a row without them; like when Tim Tebow got the start and held it when he took his team to the playoffs. Or like when Brady got the nod over Bledsoe. This team still is horrible without Eli. 2-4 now. 2-3 with Jones. I like how evryone is like well "you have to get this guy some help out there" like it was OK to waste prime Eli on a shit team?
Maybe for next yrs draft to see what team is thinking for #2 pick behind Miami
Maybe had meetings with Alberto Riveron
don't understand why we're still playing off coverage on 3rd down. drives me nuts.
Let's not make fun of Murray's size until we're sure he doesn't put up 35 points against us.
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don't understand why we're still playing off coverage on 3rd down. drives me nuts.
Agreed.
Teams should never punt against this D outside of their own 30 or so.
Were always down when Jones gets the ball
I just can't. Just f*cking pathetic.
Every week. Same stuff. And they talk about Betcher exactly like they they did about McAdoo. Smart. Innovative. Except you never see or hear anything like that week after week.
exactly. just clueless. if I were Shurmur I'd walk over and Buddy Ryan Betcher right in the face. this is just so frustrating. 5 minutes into the game and I'm already pissed off.
Yup. They never seem to know what theyre doing. Thats coaching
this offense down . Good Luck Beltcher
were gonna have to score 35 points to have
a chance at this rate .
Fewell won a Super Bowl. This guy isnt in his league
Lol
just so stupid.
The personnel was overhauled to 3-4 to fit Bettcher's scheme. And so far, it hasn't worked. This defense might be the league's worst.
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keep deferring to the second half? Geesh this guy is clueless.
Were always down when Jones gets the ball
Has anyone asked him that?
some bad players, but it's also scheme. we need to create pressure and take some chances. that conservative 3rd down technique was stupid.
Belichick has a great defense and the best QB of all time. he can gamble on things like that.
we cant
We've dramatically improved the OL as a unit!
jameis winston with legs
Though the offensive line isn't helping.
Yep poor decision making. So much for the extra time to prepare
They go 13 plays and 75 yards for a TD. We go six plays and have an INT, preceded by a sack.
Seeing that as well..early though
How the fuck do they keep the spot at the 32?
I wonder if teams have film on his tendencies and they're reading his eyes or something.
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by the rebuilt offensive line so far.
We've dramatically improved the OL as a unit!
There was someone pumping up the Remmers signing as a good move by DG, and that is free agency moves havent been bad
Good work D
its his FIFTH game guys....
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but he's been steadily regressing.
I wonder if teams have film on his tendencies and they're reading his eyes or something.
Did not have to read his eyes to make that INT. He threw it at two Cardinals defenders
Offense isnt that great either
I don't think the Giants would be in position to do that. We're possibly going to have a 1-15 team picking third this year.
its his FIFTH game guys....
It's still a terrible throw.
Yep. Giants Suck. That's all you can say about them.
Yea the cardinals have taken about 20 years
How the fuck do they keep the spot at the 32?
Yeah, that's the problem.
its his FIFTH game guys....
You'll be saying it after his FIFTIETH game. But we have bigger problems... this coach has no resume. They'll give Shurmur half of next year and will then show him the door.
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that an NFL rebuild takes five years.
Yea the cardinals have taken about 20 years
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
Hey Gary. Today your first day as a Giants fan?
JFC. I'm so disgusted with this trash.
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And if the Giants go 4-12, I wonder if they'd actually replace Shurmur with a coach who would be allowed to pull a Cardinals.
I don't think the Giants would be in position to do that. We're possibly going to have a 1-15 team picking third this year.
Bw in dc started a thread yesterday about the upcoming class. Its looking to be a great class. But, I wouldnt give up on Jones after one year
it will be interesting if they lose this game there is real strong possibility this team is 2-11 with 9 straight losses. Have to fire him if thats the case.
That last delayed draw? Everyone on defense was stuck in the mud.
as these guys are forget the defense there not eve
laying a glove on a guy twice from 20 yards out
and the QB is already shell shocked . Barkley
will be keyed on and Jones will respond or implode..
I am so tired of players remaining in the lineup strictly because they are veterans. Julian Love and even Chandler can't be worse than him.
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that an NFL rebuild takes five years.
Yea the cardinals have taken about 20 years
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
I'm not really seeing a gimmick here. Their offense looks pretty normal to me and Murray isn't even moving around that much. Our defense is just bad.
were playing a shitty team at home.
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that an NFL rebuild takes five years.
Yea the cardinals have taken about 20 years
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
That joke of a team has looked a lot more competitive than the Giants this year.
Then again, save for Miami and Washington who hasn't?
preach!
The defense is just mind boggling. We are being fooled by simple fakes and misdirections.
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that an NFL rebuild takes five years.
Yea the cardinals have taken about 20 years
LMFAO the cardinals arent good.. they have one of the worst defenses in football. people will figure out their gimick offense too. our defense is just a joke
I'm not really seeing a gimmick here. Their offense looks pretty normal to me and Murray isn't even moving around that much. Our defense is just bad.
its a run and shoot with a ton of motion. its pretty gimmicky and i think people will catch on to kingsbury
Not unless dj is hurt..still learning
According to some DG can do no wrong, his free agency moves are solid, and its alright he has had some bad cap management. Like wut
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How long does Shurmur have? Hes shown enough to me that hell never be more than a Coordinator
it will be interesting if they lose this game there is real strong possibility this team is 2-11 with 9 straight losses. Have to fire him if thats the case.
And one of those wins was due to a missed chip shot field goal and the other was against Dwayne Haskins.
Dude is trash.
Hope for losses and a high draft pick. Poor Barkley
Were gonna get stomped .
At this point I don't know if Solder is actually a step up over Flowers. Seriously.
we badly need a stop. the defense is a joke bad.
And it s his old team
Don't let Gettleman off the hook, he's responsible for this shit show.
But someone said Tate was a positive signing by Dg
I agree
We look like we have no idea what to do on either side of the ball.
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Hope for losses and a high draft pick. Poor Barkley
I never hope for a loss but Chase Young is looking more likely each day
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Shurmur. He's a loser head coach.
Don't let Gettleman off the hook, he's responsible for this shit show.
Yep but some here say hes doing a bang up job
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Shurmur. He's a loser head coach.
Don't let Gettleman off the hook, he's responsible for this shit show.
Agreed.
Lol
probably for the best...the sooner DG and Shurmur are fired the better for us because we can finally move forward from these clowns.
Agreed.
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But someone said Tate was a positive signing by Dg
He also alligator armed the ball thrown to him on the first drive. Signing him isnt looking great right now
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In the division. Instead we come out flat, uninspired and gutless. Its been this way for years.
probably for the best...the sooner DG and Shurmur are fired the better for us because we can finally move forward from these clowns.
They need to get rid of Chris Mara as well this time.
Right now I'd say we were, with Washington and Miami being worse.
Hopefully the offseason will land us Geritt Cole, an actual NFL coach and Quinton Byfield.
Mara, wake the fuck up.
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
This team is horrible.
Hopefully the offseason will land us Geritt Cole, an actual NFL coach and Quinton Byfield.
I think theres a high chance the first two dont happen
The Giants ask you to hold their beer when they hear worst team rankings.
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You do know this team was 8-26 in the last 2 years under a different QB right? You know that?
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
TOo early to tell obviously but I think confidence has gone down that he is a franchise QB although I think he is.
Hopefully the offseason will land us Geritt Cole, an actual NFL coach and Quinton Byfield.
Don't mention the two in the same post. The Yankees fought to the bitter end against a team that won a championship with their current roster and has been to three ALCS in a row.
The Giants are a shit organization from top to bottom.
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You do know this team was 8-26 in the last 2 years under a different QB right? You know that?
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
He is still the best option. We could have taken a pro-level linebacker. the way the offense looks we can throw anyone out there to play quarterback and it wouldn't make a difference.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA We are the new bottom feeders. Actually we aren't new bottom feeders. I'm just new to realizing how exactly AWFUL this team is from the coaching staff on down.
Terps, Greg from LI, you were right all along.
ball was uncatchable
The dude fell down .
Make other offenses look good.
We have faith in our group.
Give me a break. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid, folks.
Eric said it best: we're in year 8 of the 20 year plan.
They're not overturning ANY of these PI challenges. They only want them called on game-deciding plays.
on top of it the ball was uncatchable.
the call will not get overturned in spite of this.
wtf thats a great challenge are you kidding here? ball was uncatchable and jenkins didnt touch him, he trppped
I'm not even sure the Bill Sheridan/CC Brown defense was this bad.
once you touch the Ol, the play is dead. And Jenkins didn't even touch the Wr
No they dont. Which is why its a dumb challenge.
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You do know this team was 8-26 in the last 2 years under a different QB right? You know that?
Nobody's seriously saying he's a bust but he's seriously regressing. He looks terrible right now. And that's on Shurmur.
He is still the best option. We could have taken a pro-level linebacker. the way the offense looks we can throw anyone out there to play quarterback and it wouldn't make a difference.
But Mara told us that Shurmur is brilliant, the best we can do!
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You gotta be patient through the rebuild posts, look at the Cardinals - they tore it down after last year and look a million miles better than us.
Eric said it best: we're in year 8 of the 20 year plan.
I thought the Giants needed to bring in someone with no ties to the organization with a fresh perspective, but nope...
I assume you mean 3 minutes including commercials.
The defense still plays way too far off the receivers. And the Cardinal running game is killing them right now.
I hate the play calling by Shumer. If you want to be a play caller then become a OC not a head coach. And the DC is total garbage. He doesnt play Ballantine or Love.
Its just awful. Why defer when you dont make any half-time adjustments anyway.
once you touch the Ol, the play is dead. And Jenkins didn't even touch the Wr
No one cares. Mara and Tisch could be reffing the game and it wouldn't matter.
Fuck the refs
This team has practically no talent on either side of the line. That's after spending a fortune on the OL.
Any takers on Eli reappears today?
with a new Owner, GM, and Coach please
Yep. Especially since they've made it a point to do so this year and not give up those types of free plays.
shurmur sucks bt that was a good challenge. it as a joke.
ball want even catchable and WR fell
I'll take anything that highlights a sham rule.
Fair is fair and right now, the NFL needs to just take it off the books.
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You gotta be patient through the rebuild posts, look at the Cardinals - they tore it down after last year and look a million miles better than us.
Eric said it best: we're in year 8 of the 20 year plan.
So were close to finishing forty percent of the plan. Glass half full perspective: only sixty percent to go
I hope not I think hes actually worse
Fire Shurmur. Bettcher. Shula
Draft two offensive lineman with your two top draft picks
Spend the 80 million dollars in cap space on defense
In the interim prior to trade deadline
Try and trade Jenkins and Ogletree Tate and possibly Solder for whatever you can get
We won 2 games already. We won't be in position to draft Chase Young.
This team has practically no talent on either side of the line. That's after spending a fortune on the OL.
Lol he kept saying those words and made moves, yet were not close to accomplishing it
He had better not, but this organization is good at making excuses for its negatives while wildly exagerating its positives.
once you touch the Ol, the play is dead. And Jenkins didn't even touch the Wr
This. Sweep right, sweep left. Repeat til TD.
Very cultured. Look at how polite they are to their guests.
Maybe for 3 years before Coughlin left...
Top to bottom incompetence.
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plase
with a new Owner, GM, and Coach please
Ownership is the huge problem, chose two wco weenie coaches throwing ints with spacing routes vs Tampa 2.
Sadly, it appears I'm dead wrong.
Hopefully, we can hold them to 30 at the half.
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plase
We won 2 games already. We won't be in position to draft Chase Young.
This team could easily lose to Miami.
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Team is SO easy to cheer for!
They do have a great locker room.
Nice church guys lolol
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
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Team is SO easy to cheer for!
Very cultured. Look at how polite they are to their guests.
They got rid of their troublemaker-playmaker.
Nothing wrong with offensive HC's provided he is actually good at calling plays and has a competent DC.
The way officials are using this rule, I doubt they would have overturned last years Saints non-call.
Top to bottom incompetence.
You're right.
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trips and DPI is called. But upon review it is a good call. As FMiC said last week, the rule is a joke.
The way officials are using this rule, I doubt they would have overturned last years Saints non-call.
that might be the point they're trying to make
Frigging Shemur.
At least you're actually not @ the game?
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His record wasn't great at the end but at least those teams were competitive.
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
The 2015 Giants were 6-10, and lost 7 of the 10 games when they were tied or had the lead in the final two minutes.
We only have 3 yards! No problem moving the ball. You will see some offensive play-calling like youve never seen!
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Team is SO easy to cheer for!
Very cultured. Look at how polite they are to their guests.
They got rid of their troublemaker-playmaker.
DG has made bad moves, but getting rid of OBJ was not one of them, and I loved him
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His record wasn't great at the end but at least those teams were competitive.
They actually weren't competitive in Coughlin's later years. We've been watching shit like this basically since Hurricane Sandy, with the exception of 11 games to close 2016.
Actually, we were competitive in many games under TC with less talent than now. I think he was the difference.
At least it's an early game so the indigestion will be over by dinner time.
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trips and DPI is called. But upon review it is a good call. As FMiC said last week, the rule is a joke.
The way officials are using this rule, I doubt they would have overturned last years Saints non-call.
that might be the point they're trying to make
True, but peppers was called for interference after a review against tampa
Like I saidJones will move this team
or implode
Edmonds is also much faster than all the lbs.
On offense, the Cardinals are smartly attacking Barkley, and waiting for Jones to do something to make them back off. Our OL is again a disappointment.
Top to bottom incompetence.
So, you did not think that was an egregious call? In my mind, the WR initiated contact and should have been called, besides the fact he fell down.
But WTF, just another excuse for your daily rant. Please go root for another team if you don't like the options here.
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to be optimistic about. Anything. I got nothing.
At least you're actually not @ the game?
Perspective. Thanks.
Ive been saying it for years. Mara is the problem. Runs his team like its still the fifties
Yeah, he's a good listen.
He doesn't. And his brother is still involved in personnel. The entire nepotistic stale organization needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom.
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Unfortunately our coach is an incompetent fool, hired by a fool of GM and paid by owners who are fools.
Top to bottom incompetence.
So, you did not think that was an egregious call? In my mind, the WR initiated contact and should have been called, besides the fact he fell down.
But WTF, just another excuse for your daily rant. Please go root for another team if you don't like the options here.
It doesn't matter how egregious it is. They aren't getting overturned. Everyone knows that challenging is a waste of a timeout.
Fuck off already. You idiots with the blue glasses are a big part of the problem.
As long is he makes throws like this each game, the turnovers wont bother me that much.
His teammate collided into him, on the replay it was clear he didn't intentionally do anything.
Or im just worrying. Anyone else?
put that on the money .
Finally used Ellison .
Gallman can stay on the bench .
Defense better find an answer
"The goal is to keep improving..."
Agreed.
This is so fucking stupid. A) Baker is a good safety and B) you can say that about half of the td passes in the league.
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Unfortunately our coach is an incompetent fool, hired by a fool of GM and paid by owners who are fools.
Top to bottom incompetence.
So, you did not think that was an egregious call? In my mind, the WR initiated contact and should have been called, besides the fact he fell down.
But WTF, just another excuse for your daily rant. Please go root for another team if you don't like the options here.
It doesn't matter how egregious it is. They aren't getting overturned. Everyone knows that challenging is a waste of a timeout.
Fuck off already. You idiots with the blue glasses are a big part of the problem.
its a 30 yard penalty. you have to challenge. it wasnt even close to PI. uncatchable plus the wr fell. its a oke and the league needs to get rid of it. you cant just say ahhh no challenge they wont overturn. they SHOULD be oerturning those. shits a joke and the leage us a joke for that
Or im just worrying. Anyone else?
I noticed it right after he got up, but then he looked like he was moving fine
The standard is ridiculous, so they should just get rid of the rule now.
How does a coach not try to reverse an absolute shit call? You have to
SB had a long run? Time to rest him for the game. -Shurmur
I honestly think, the only added this rule to take heat off of their selves because of the Rams saints game. I honestly believe that.
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That blow to the head on Murrays run should probably have been flagged. We got away with one there.
His teammate collided into him, on the replay it was clear he didn't intentionally do anything.
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actually knowing what the hell he's doing? I sure as hell don't.
He doesn't. And his brother is still involved in personnel. The entire nepotistic stale organization needs to be cleaned out from top to bottom.
The Maras have been the bane of this organization since the day they traded Sam Huff. Passed on Landry,Lombardi, Parcells-phase 2, Belichick . Pitiful
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but a good safety picks that off. Happy some positive vibez for DJ though
This is so fucking stupid. A) Baker is a good safety and B) you can say that about half of the td passes in the league.
Greg Olsen said the same thing...he has no idea what the safety was doing...didn't make any play on the ball. Hey I'll take it but ellison could have got f*cked up
Mostly depressing
If the league was overturning any of those PI calls then yes it's no brainer throwing the flag. Unfortunately it's not being reversed at all so it's a waste of a challenge and a time out just to make a point
i have some asshat info. confirmed that DJ's throw was on point.
TD GIANTS!
Why was that a safety not a td?
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Unfortunately our coach is an incompetent fool, hired by a fool of GM and paid by owners who are fools.
Top to bottom incompetence.
So, you did not think that was an egregious call? In my mind, the WR initiated contact and should have been called, besides the fact he fell down.
But WTF, just another excuse for your daily rant. Please go root for another team if you don't like the options here.
It doesn't matter how egregious it is. They aren't getting overturned. Everyone knows that challenging is a waste of a timeout.
Fuck off already. You idiots with the blue glasses are a big part of the problem.
his head knocked off .
We need to add to them. They would be great supplements to a great pass rusher. Then with Lawrence anchoring the line, we would have something
:-)
i said it before. the cards defense sucks. if our defense steps up we can win
True, but so are the Giants
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It. It was a big play and even a low probability of reversing what I thought was an iffy call was worth the lost time out.
If the league was overturning any of those PI calls then yes it's no brainer throwing the flag. Unfortunately it's not being reversed at all so it's a waste of a challenge and a time out just to make a point
My issue with this is that referees KNOW these calls wont be overturned so they are calling so much BS pass interference penalties with zero repercussions. What the league is doing is so transparent and foolish. Its such a bad look.
Its fucking 17-14.
Is that who it is? I was wondering bc i didnt recognize the voice and thought hes been a really good listen.
Yes. He definitely has a future in that role. Good observations, and doesn't dominate the discussion. And no histrionics.
It was a perfect throw. Franchise QBs make that throw. Saw Sam Darnold make a similar throw last week.
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to relax. The Cardinals are a terrible team.
i said it before. the cards defense sucks. if our defense steps up we can win
But they have some top players with Jones and Peterson. We cant say the same for our defense
Safety, I believe
This. The throws have to be absolutely perfect every time. It's an unrealistic expectation. I don't know if it's the route combos or what, but we never have anyone with any separation.
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to relax. The Cardinals are a terrible team.
i said it before. the cards defense sucks. if our defense steps up we can win
But they have some top players with Jones and Peterson. We cant say the same for our defense
ok? team game...having two good players doesnt mean anything....
Their "veteran leadership" is working wonders...
1 its stupid
2 we cant stop anyone on 3rd down
3 its fucking stupid.
John Harbaugh went from Special Teams coach to head coach and didn't do too badly.
That would be Betchers comedically counter-intuitive scheme
Agreed. He was a revelation.
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is a pretty good color man?
Yes. He definitely has a future in that role. Good observations, and doesn't dominate the discussion. And no histrionics.
He's ok. Way too many they need to get off the field on 3rd downs. Enough. Everybody heard him the first 40 times. Correct or not, does not need to be repeated every time.
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Do our CB's give such a huge cushion ?
That would be Betchers comedically counter-intuitive scheme
Element of surprise! Freak em out by leaving all receivers open. Forces drops through shock.
Let the man live, lol
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that Fowler. But keep smiling pal.
Let the man live, lol
he's living his best life
Jesus!
Engram got to catch that
Say this for sure - he doesnt fold when behind.
we need to teach our guys to fall down more. we used to have the prototypical "fall down" tight end. haven't had much since then.
Say this for sure - he doesnt fold when behind.
Shhh, hes already a bust, he cant come back from that poor throw
1/ rhythm throws
2/ offensive line stabilized
Agreed. It definitely impacted the play, and he clearly held the defender.
Great throw by Jones. We're now seeing his accuracy into tight windows. But it also means that our receivers can't get any separation.
Yeah, don't see why people are complaining about that one. It might have been missed had Barkley not been running by the guy who had his arm out towards him while Hernandez held him.
Great Necessary Roughness reference.
Hopefully it doesn't need to happen often.
it's caused of the sit down with Sanders. he's done it twice now.
Backwards
too much time left on clock.
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2) Some bad, bad drops.
3) Defense still sucks, especially on 3rd downs.
Shurmur isnt the guy.
Not happy with the first half but at least the team battled back.
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
Move on to the next hope.
2 holding penalties
6 yard loss on running play
3 of those plays took team out of FG range
Our OL is still a problem. There is too much pressure on Jones.
On defense, simple ball fakes and end runs are killing us. The Cardinals used them to dominate possession.
Yeah no doubt. I think he's just over amped a bit after being out and trying to make a big play.
He'll settle down in the 2nd half and just play good ball.
Amd Gettleman gets 1 more year......
I feel like he should have tried to keep it inside instead of bouncing outside. At least it would've been no gain instead of a loss. But with his inhuman abilities I feel like he had a seam to try to get through.
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
Move on to the next hope.
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
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Second coach in a row that hasnt sparked the magic needed to win in league . Time to move on
And this defensive roster is a disgrace. Unsure if that is front office or coaching philosophy
Move on to the next hope.
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
Thats a legitimate fear. I think Shurmur is a placeholder until the team is ready. But when the time comes, I hope the giants identify their guy early and are aggressive. Mara typically follows league protocol and misses out on some guys
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
No shit he's having a good game, they are playing a run heavy team with little passing game. Sample size of 1 hardly proves anything.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
He wasnt worth the price of admission.
I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
Agreed.
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I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
. This is mistakenly reversing the causality direction. Good teams make good hiring decisions which allow the coaches to have tenures >2 years. Bad teams make bad coaching hires and are forced to replace them quickly.
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
Ok, I'll give you that, but I want to wait until this season is over. Right now, I'm still in the 'keep Shurmur " camp.
Against the rules. You cant
Sorry
Yeah if you have a staff who can process what's happened in the 1st half and actually make adjustments for the first drive coming out. Unfortunately we're not lucky enough to have that.
also no running into kicker?
Im not sure what more he can do at this point until he gets some more help from coaching and personnel
He got a piece of the ball which made the hit after legal.
my God Give the ball to Barkley .
also no running into kicker?
Ball was tipped
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missed call
He got a piece of the ball which made the hit after legal.
Thanks. Didn't see that.
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Theyre so desperate to defend letting a 24 year old All Pro walk for nothing. Stats by ESPN.
Hes leading in tackles by 11, solo tackles by 10. He has a sack, a forced fumble, 4.5 tackles for a loss and 2 passes defended. Collins has 10 more solo tackles than Peppers.
Like we couldnt use him on our defense. He cant help it if hes on a lousy team. Spider Lockhart couldnt save the Giants defense. But he might be overpaid. Better to lose than overpay.
Let the usual blusterers bluster.
No shit he's having a good game, they are playing a run heavy team with little passing game. Sample size of 1 hardly proves anything.
Plus its a monsoon in DC.
Thaw best part? All the routes were 2 yards?
And Barkley on your team.
You can see the Cards getting more and more hesitant.
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I hate that play call on 3rd and short.
Thaw best part? All the routes were 2 yards?
Barkley went seven yds
You can see the Cards getting more and more hesitant.
Seriously. Run... the fucking... ball.
Let's pass rushers pin their ears back without SB in backfield.
WRs know where they're going and the conditions make it harder for the DBs to cut and defend.
As long as there's no wind, rain doesn't hurt the O.
he hand them one back .
Just frustrating watching him hold the ball
forever
Put Eli back in :-)
If only he had a coach who was supposedly a QB guru.
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I disagree. Changing coaching staffs every 2 years doesn't necessarily improve things. What if the next guy fails?
. This is mistakenly reversing the causality direction. Good teams make good hiring decisions which allow the coaches to have tenures >2 years. Bad teams make bad coaching hires and are forced to replace them quickly.
Youre not making Shurmur into a good coach by giving him extra time.
Good insight. It really is a cycle
So sick of watching this idiot call plays !
I know DJ has got to feel the pressure ... Remmers sucks!!
I was in support of him but he is losing me very fast.
So sick of watching this idiot call plays !
I know DJ has got to feel the pressure ... Remmers sucks!!
Nevermind it was Engram
You expect him to block chandler jones? Lol. Thats on the coaches.
Yep ... you told. Why didn't I listen?
That's horseshit.. Eli has fumbles in the same exact manner. And did it through his career.
this could quickly turn into a 2 score game.
Worst defensive player in the LEAGUE
Worst defensive player in the LEAGUE
Bethea is trash. He really shouldn't be on this team.
Actually it is. The qb knows it's a screen any disruption you have to get rid of it
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...that's for sure.
We got our selves another Eli
That's horseshit.. Eli has fumbles in the same exact manner. And did it through his career.
He's a fucking rookie dude!!! Give him a fucking break!! Jesus Christ, you're looking to throw him under the bus after five games!
Huh? All Murray has done today is hand off
Jones with the predictable turnover .
Is it the play call as well ?
Not vs this vaunted defense
Stfu
I am beginning to warm to that suggestion.
Then on that crucial 3rd down they have Engram blocking Chandler Jones one on one. Shouldnt he be in a route w Ellison blocking?
Yup. They also won't play Ballentine on defense.
Better coaching the play design is better and our defense is a joke
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Whether Jones is our long term guy. That was inexcusable.
He's a fucking rookie dude!!! Give him a fucking break!! Jesus Christ, you're looking to throw him under the bus after five games!
True. Lets see what he does next year. That was a bad coached play.
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Whether Jones is our long term guy. That was inexcusable.
He's a fucking rookie dude!!! Give him a fucking break!! Jesus Christ, you're looking to throw him under the bus after five games!
Our inside backers are.....not great!
Barkley isn't healthy. Can't cut on that ankle.
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...that's for sure.
That's horseshit.. Eli has fumbles in the same exact manner. And did it through his career.
The kid's a liability. It's a shame. Eli has 2 SB rings and is top ten all-time in a lot of categories.
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Whether Jones is our long term guy. That was inexcusable.
He's a fucking rookie dude!!! Give him a fucking break!! Jesus Christ, you're looking to throw him under the bus after five games!
Giants brought him back too soon.
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...that's for sure.
That's horseshit.. Eli has fumbles in the same exact manner. And did it through his career.
The kid's a liability. It's a shame. Eli has 2 SB rings and is top ten all-time in a lot of categories.
Can we ban these trolls
Terrible throw
How sad is it that the team of LT, Carson, Banks and VanPelt has been so bad at LB for so long.
ankle
automatic.....
Why don't we wait for Eli's 21 million in cap space to come on the books before we declare our rookie a bust brainiac?
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...that's for sure.
That's horseshit.. Eli has fumbles in the same exact manner. And did it through his career.
The kid's a liability. It's a shame. Eli has 2 SB rings and is top ten all-time in a lot of categories.
Can we ban these trolls
I've been here since the blog's inception. Go sit down.
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Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Why don't we wait for Eli's 21 million in cap space to come on the books before we declare our rookie a bust brainiac?
LMAO. FIVE GAMES. killing jones after 4.5 starts
That one almost doesn't matter because he's not gaining any yards on the play
Eli is still done.
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Are the people who told us everything will change with Jones, that Eli was the big problem here. Think he was the still the problem? This is a shot organization. Where is the promising defensive line, blame the coaches? Right now there is not one fucking thing to be optimistic about. Nothing. There is not one thing we can say we can rely on, n it Gettleman, passing in Darnokd, nothing.
Eli is still done.
I hope you have noticed how badlu or OL stil sucks hairy fucking moose balls???
Often just soft zoning wco weenie spacing and slants.
looked dirty
Damn you.
Told ya
called it
LOL ... you're right
Lol
Hold your damn blocks....
Not this year.
Someone running seam draws those LBs back opening up the short pass.
That was a bad snap. More on DeOssie to be fair
FIRE THIS STAFF NOW.
7 points on the 30th ranked defense. seems impossible
they have no LBers....its pretty simple why people run all over us
The one real middle LB they had blew out his knee unfortunately
This aint it, Davey Getts
he will have a million of them. He's lost his entire career.
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thats the first four rounds of draft lol
Yea we must be masochists because I get excited every week just to just get kicked in the balls
We had one with some promise in Connelly, but then he had a career altering injury.
Agree Shurmur is a loser and he does not inspire
winning . His play calling just totally lacks imagination .
Betcher has been schooled as well .
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
Offensive scheme is awful. No one is ever open
I said he has a bit of Steve Smith in him, only player with grit.
can you really fire bettcher for the guys hes stuck with???
this is on dave gettleman.
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is holding the ball for forever because our receivers can't get any separation. That's also why he's throwing into absurdly tight windows almost every time. It's up to the coaches to design some plays to at least mitigate that problem.
Offensive scheme is awful. No one is ever open
This, no one is open. Hes always going to have to throw into tight windows
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But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
But we hot him a Wco weenie HC to throw to open receivers for a the magic 70% completion goal.
Because they're sitting pretty up 10. They are now eating clock because we haven't shown that we can make them pay for doing it.
The Giants offense has 7 points and no big play ability right now.
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But the kid is being put in such a terrible position to succeed with this dufus coach, garbage OL with pressure on almost every throw, no weapons outside of tate, no running game...he is not going to be a miracle worker especially in his 5th game
Its not killing Jones to point out that his pocket awareness and turnovers are a huge hurdle for an already generally overmatched roster to overcome. 14 points off short fields resulting from Jones turnovers. Its killing them.
He's a rookie. He can't do it it all. He needs to play perfect in order for them to win. That's how it works.
Drops? Easy throws, they're dropped.
Holding penalties? Constant.
Defense losing contain? It has happened a ton.
They last turnover was placed at the 50. That's no excuse to get gashed so bad on the ground. How many sacks do they have? How many TFL?
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thats the first four rounds of draft lol
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
yea no. they didnt want their rookie making a mistake...they werent just running because giants suck and they dnt need to worry
3 & 11, 1 DL in the field. Give up 12. Personnel was stupid
Lol
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sure why the Cardinals ran three times on that series.
Because they're sitting pretty up 10. They are now eating clock because we haven't shown that we can make them pay for doing it.
Seems a bit early to do so.
Procedure penalties, questionable playcalling and in-game decisions, regularly appear to be oit-maneuvered by opposing coaching staffs, undisciplined with dumb penalties every week...
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thats the first four rounds of draft lol
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
bro relax...nobody said in order and i was messing around because its our two biggest issues today. chill out eman.
100% spot on and completely agree with you
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sure why the Cardinals ran three times on that series.
Because they're sitting pretty up 10. They are now eating clock because we haven't shown that we can make them pay for doing it.
Seems a bit early to do so.
Why? We haven't done shit.
OL collapse. strip sack
Agreed.
Was in the pocket long enough to make a sandwich and call his mom. Kid is starting to make me nervous. I guess its a sign of steely nerves but he does nothing thst indicates he knows tjat lightening fast 280lb men are trying to kill him.
🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Either the field goal or the complete inability to play a shred of defense.
We cant even get any home town calls
Expect an 8 minute TD drive.
I'm surprised teams don't just throw every play against this defense.
Aha ha! Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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thats the first four rounds of draft lol
Good to see you suck as much on these threads as Yankee ones.
It's one thing if you want to point out needs but to say where they need to go each round is asinine. You can't force picks for need and if you do you're screwed.
bro relax...nobody said in order and i was messing around because its our two biggest issues today. chill out eman.
Well I already know your reading comp sucks but try and learn how to actually say what you mean. You friggin listed them in order, which said that's what you thought they had to do.
<shakes 8 ball> Outlook not so good </>
Second that
Bethea 9 Tackles
Haley 8 tackles
Ogletree 8 tackles .
Baker Has been solid as well .
fox messed up they have been messing up with down and yardage all game
they gave us our 2nd TO back and took one away form cards
Come on bro!!! Be positive!!
I don't like the timeout here.
Trauma from the Walk off by Altuve
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27-24 Cards win?
Trauma from the Walk off by Altuve
I knew it was something!!
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So are some of the posters.
Agree pretty pathetic to leave before the game's over.
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in the next draft with our first round pick????
Bethea 9 Tackles
Haley 8 tackles
Ogletree 8 tackles .
Baker Has been solid as well .
and what is your conclusion?
Get him outta there. Also Tate use your hands, so many body catchers
Two completely unblocked pass rushers
Barkley has been atrocious in pass protection
Anyone who wants this clown to return next year needs their head examined. How much more does this guy have to lose to realize he is not a head coach?
barkleys job isn't to block a DE...remmers just let him go
Agreed.
Were waiting....
Fuck this coach
I hope thy fire him can't even stand
the pathetic way he carries himself
Something is wrong with our scouting.
Barkley has been atrocious in pass protection
That was not on Jones, it was fourth and fifteen, he had to let the play develop. PP came like a missle
Anyone who wants this clown to return next year needs their head examined. How much more does this guy have to lose to realize he is not a head coach?
And then goes for it on 4th down!
You mean tonight right?
Anyone who wants this clown to return next year needs their head examined. How much more does this guy have to lose to realize he is not a head coach?
Remember, they're rebuilding. Anyone who expects wins in the first five to ten years is unreasonable.
Anyone who wants this clown to return next year needs their head examined. How much more does this guy have to lose to realize he is not a head coach?
Agreed Im done with him. Were not winning with this guy he spent know what hes doing
Yeah, enough. Let him finish out the season and then look for someone new.
Barkely not blocking isn't helpful either...
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Jones has a real problem.
Barkley has been atrocious in pass protection
That was not on Jones, it was fourth and fifteen, he had to let the play develop. PP came like a missle
He coughs up the ball nearly every time he gets hit in the pocket.
But hey, he should get 2020...
And clean your QBs clock!!!!
gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
Don't worry. I have enough for fucking all of us.
its not.
his plan is to take a guaranteed gain on third down
because hes already predetermined to go for it on 4th
gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
i dont mind going for a few yards, but i would have run a clear out
Oh that's right, analytics are stupid.
Exceptionally bad when you consider the draw play on 3rd and 18 that yielded 3 yards.
Perhaps its time to hire a coordinator who can use these weapons properly.
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gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
i dont mind going for a few yards, but i would have run a clear out
a clearout vs this passrush?
you saw what happened
waiting for a play to develop for a 15 yard gain vs 20 gain is actually a big deal
This OL though...
Frustrating to say the least
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Jones has a real problem.
Barkley has been atrocious in pass protection
That was not on Jones, it was fourth and fifteen, he had to let the play develop. PP came like a missle
He coughs up the ball nearly every time he gets hit in the pocket.
Um, yeah...thats gonna happen when the defense gets a free pass to drill the QB who doesnt see him.
Also F Olsen openly rooting for the cards.
they suck but so do we and we cannot turn the ball over 3 times and expect to win. we not that good.
Still plenty time left to sneak a W...
Or not...
gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
4th down isn't normal.
15 yards isn't normal.
So what's this magical normal playcall you're referring to?
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Jones has a real problem.
Barkley has been atrocious in pass protection
That was not on Jones, it was fourth and fifteen, he had to let the play develop. PP came like a missle
He coughs up the ball nearly every time he gets hit in the pocket.
It was a blindside hit and does the fumble really matter. It was fourth down, the cardinals wouldve got the ball there anyway.
Brady fumbled on a similar hit last week
we've been doing this for the last 4 years or so. mind boggling.
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3rd 20
gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
4th down isn't normal.
15 yards isn't normal.
So what's this magical normal playcall you're referring to?
youre not thinking.
on 3rd and 20
he decided that he was going to go for it if they gained yards on the draw.
shows how well the team is coached
The coaching on this team is just horrific.
Oh that's right, analytics are stupid.
And so is this putrid offensive line, which was supposed to be his specialty.
This team is worse with him and Shurmur than it was under Reese and McAdoo.
Pretty incredible feat.
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3rd 20
gain some positive yards to make a
4th and 15
pass manageable with a normal pass playcall
4th down isn't normal.
15 yards isn't normal.
So what's this magical normal playcall you're referring to?
youre not thinking.
on 3rd and 20
he decided that he was going to go for it if they gained yards on the draw.
if DJ drops back to pass on 3rd and 20 and gets sacked or incompletion
=
drive over
that's right. teaching is part of coaching. i have no faith in our coaches.
Nope.
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Wtf is slayton doing?
shows how well the team is coached
Yea wasted time and yards. Shurmur shouldve told him to stay in the end zone no matter what
Oh that's right, analytics are stupid.
This has nothing to do with Gettleman outside of the fact he hired this clown.
In fairness, it's raining, in the mid 50s, & the product Mara is putting out there isn't too appealing.
Right? Why is there apparently no one on the sideline to simply emphasize that the ball should not leave the end zone no matter what??
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Wtf is slayton doing?
shows how well the team is coached
Yea wasted time and yards. Shurmur shouldve told him to stay in the end zone no matter what
+1,000,000,000
If we can figure this shit out, why can't Shurmur?
Well maybe thats the plan, god knows we need all the high picks we can get.
Hi Pat!
So will we...
a) Run out of time?
b) Turnover on downs?
c) Turnover?
Have little faith in a touchdown.
that's not Shurmur
Wasted almost 10 seconds to get to the fucking 12 yard line...
would be nice if we drafted 1 or 2 difference makers on defense.
Dave Gettleman
"we have to draft impact starters"
I'd be happy to be wrong about that.
So will we...
a) Run out of time?
b) Turnover on downs?
c) Turnover?
Have little faith in a touchdown.
Turnover
The fans don't owe this laughingstock franchise anything.
FOH
turnover machine
oline is a constant joke
Just stop it. He has a profound issue
turnover machine
8 sacks and counting
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lmao
This will not be our year
DG really gave him a good oline behind a rookie QB another 7 sacks
They aren't better than us. This team is awfully coached and its never been more apparent than the last two weeks.
Yea its his fault hes under pressure every throw. Go root for the jets
paul...youre seriously a jerkoff poster. there was literally NOWHERE for him to go...the OL sucks. this is jones 5th game
LOL
I was thinking keystone cops..but yeah either one.....lol
Please get us a real Head Coach !!!!
You replaced a legend with 2 friggen losers !!
FOH
Brown Recluse any thoughts? You were pumping DG up the other day.
SMH
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Yep. So thankful for the drafting of Baker, Ballentine, and Love. The Giants couldve drafted Cody Ford in round 2 without trading up.
Fuck this team
And we'd be 0-9 if not for a missed chip shot field goal and Dwayne Haskins.
8 sacks. And his running saved them from more
Yea thats not true but theyre not much better
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
Sign of a bad coaching staff
they aren't winning any of the next 6 either lmao
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
SMH
Dont forget all the drops
SMH
Too early to say he is a bust BUT he did a bunch of questionable things. If they dont get corrected and comes next year with the same mistakes then it will be an issue.
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
GTFOH. eli in the rain wins this? jones ran for 2 first downs that eli would have gotten sacked on. youre nuts. eli is done dude
Shurmur is a total zero. If they bring him back next year then they deserve to continue losing at an insane clip.
Gettleman's "rebuild" of the offensive line doesn't look so hot. He has 1 building block, another decent player, the most overpaid LT in the sport, and two awful players. And zero depth.
Just remembering though that the whole point of this season is to have him learn stuff like that. He's a rookie, he's gonna play like a rookie. My problem is that right now, he's not correcting his mistakes. That concerns me.
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But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
management needs to have its eyes open. I'm still hopeful about DJ but there is a non-zero chance he is not the answer.
Need to clean house with owners. Two wco system coaches in a row.
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
Just wondering why you would think that. Is it Eli's amazing record the last 2 years?
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Eli would have been sacked 12 times at least!!
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
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But thank god for dave "hog mollies".
Yep. So thankful for the drafting of Baker, Ballentine, and Love. The Giants couldve drafted Cody Ford in round 2 without trading up.
Fuck this team
When you include Beal, thats 6 picks in the 2019 draft used on 4 DBs. And he didnt draft an OL until the 7th. Just terrible.
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But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
Thats gonna happen when your offensive weapons and OL are as bad as the Giants have. Its amazing that Jones wasnt hurt this game.
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In comment 14636224 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
GTFOH. eli in the rain wins this? jones ran for 2 first downs that eli would have gotten sacked on. youre nuts. eli is done dude
Elis never played in the rain. Shit youre right. My bad. Maybe he fumbles 6 times.
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In comment 14636259 PhiPsi125 said:
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But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
Thats gonna happen when your offensive weapons and OL are as bad as the Giants have. Its amazing that Jones wasnt hurt this game.
Not fumbling five times c'mon
Scariest part of this is we were coming off a Thursday night game with more than the normal time to plan, and the Cards had to travel here!
And I dont mean negative lessons learned, e.g. that we need a new head coach.
Barkley isn't dead.
Hey, I've been questioning the hiring of Hal Hunter since he was hired.
He should have his entry card confiscated immediately.
I really wish the Maras would just go away.
And I dont mean negative lessons learned, e.g. that we need a new head coach.
Baker at CB. The kid is a player and we hardly see him or hear his name called lately.
I really wish the Maras would just go away.
Agreed
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In comment 14636224 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
And youre not living in reality. SMD
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In comment 14636224 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Is the common denominator.
Oh shut the fuck up.
They get shutout with Eli starting.
Disagree I think Eli wins this... and wow youre pathetic
Yeah, Eli's really done well the past couple of years with a bad OL and facing a strong pass rush.
I really wish the Maras would just go away.
If we have to live through PS next year too I'm not sure I'll make it through. Good thing my life insurance is paid up and my kids and grand kids will be able to enjoy the Giants future coach.
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In comment 14636259 PhiPsi125 said:
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But Im sure well get a ton of shit threads this week about how DJ is a bust.
SMH
Eh, he's not a bust, but there are some real ball security issues as well as pocket presence.
management needs to have its eyes open. I'm still hopeful about DJ but there is a non-zero chance he is not the answer.
Can you repost that in English so we can understand what the hell you're trying to say? I get the first part about management but after that it's kinda tough
CB blitz never even saw it coming .... in a pro league!