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Eric from BBI : Admin : 10/20/2019 4:01 pm
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RE: I’m listening to the HC  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/20/2019 4:48 pm : link
In comment 14636658 bluesince56 said:
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Q and A after this game. He’s an idiot. His answers expose his lack of understanding on running a game

You have more intestinal fortitude than I do.
The thing that really worries me is the frustration you see  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2019 4:49 pm : link
in the eyes/faces of Saquon Barkley and Daniel Jones.

Nobody likes losing but their faces told a different story today (even on TV).

Anybody see the same?
RE: RE: The only good I see  
INDYJIM : 10/20/2019 4:49 pm : link


- This should cement the Giants as sellers for whatever few tradable assets who don't figure on the team in 2020.

- It's more school of hard knocks for Daniel Jones to go through the rookie growing pains and come out the better for it, and boy did he have them today in the beating he took

- Eyes wide open on who Shurmur is as a coach. He was able to hide last year thanks to a complete strip down of the roster. But we saw his natural tendency to screw up when he blew the game in Philly. This time, with more or less a full season of Jones, if Shurmur is causing problems in the decisions and game plan, this should signal to the Giants that while Jones might be the future, Shurmur just isn't the guy. He's a coordinator who can't hack it as a head man. I thought the Giants would give him 3 years by default, but I think we've all seen enough now. If you are targeting to win in 2020, do it with a coach who you can win with. That's not Shurmur.




Great post. Basically where I'm at after that game. [/quote]

remember Gettleman's quote when he hired him "shurmur was the adult of those interviewed"
I would just love to know why....  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 4:50 pm : link
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
RE: RE: Jones is a stud  
UberAlias : 10/20/2019 4:51 pm : link
In comment 14636720 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.


Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.
You mean the same coach many on here were calling a QB whisperer and touting how good he was for his prior QBs? The excuse making on here is sad. Maybe the folks posting all the preseason stats were premature. Maybe not. But right now Jones looks about the same as many of the other first round QBs from past two drafts — potential with some struggles. To say more is disingenuous. The jury is out.
I doubt Eli would have done any better  
jcn56 : 10/20/2019 4:52 pm : link
and possibly could have fared worse with this OL.

And what happened to the stout interior DL we keep hearing about?
Eli would not have done better  
UberAlias : 10/20/2019 4:53 pm : link
Move on.
The  
AcidTest : 10/20/2019 4:54 pm : link
Cardinals would have had double digit sacks if Eli was the QB today.
Eli's 50 year old body says THANK YOU GIANTS  
GiantsUA : 10/20/2019 4:55 pm : link
for not putting me out there with this group and getting beaten like the red headed step child
Eli who?  
Jimmy Googs : 10/20/2019 4:55 pm : link
Giants are 2-5 and you want to go further backwards...
The Eli obsession is bizarre  
AcesUp : 10/20/2019 4:56 pm : link
It doesn't matter if he would or would not have done better. He's roughly same age as the opposing coach today and this team is behind shedule in a rebuild. Move the fuck on already.
whatever hypothetical bs you want to say  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 4:57 pm : link
is just that hypothetical. Once upon a time starting franchise qb's lost their jobs because the back-up kept winning games not lose 3 in a row!
RE: People  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/20/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14636707 AcidTest said:
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are underestimating how badly handicapped Jones is on most plays. Bad OL and receivers who can't separate. He's made some ridiculously accurate throws. It's mindless stubbornness and stupidity not to protect him better, either by using a sixth OL or benching Remmers.


Good points. PS exposed him against the Patriots as well. No boots? I hate that we are in shotgun so much.
RE: I would just love to know why....  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2019 4:57 pm : link
In comment 14636734 Big_N said:
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It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.


I’d love to know why people who found every excuse in the book for Eli over the course of 8-26 over 2+ seasons and 7 out of 8 losing seasons can’t seem to apply the same logic to Jones?
RE: I would just love to know why....  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14636734 Big_N said:
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It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Who cares? I agree with you, but that train has left the station. Manning is not playing this year and he is gone after the season. Focus on the future.

DC's are getting more film on Jones and they are following the rookie qb pattern: stop Barkley, keep Jones in the pocket and make him win the game with these shitty wideouts and the mercurial Engram. They are jumping the slants.

So now, let's see how Jones responds. I am not worried about the qb fumbles. Sooner or later he will learn that he's not playing against North Carolina, that he is not getting away from some of these linemen and that he needs to put two hands on the ball.
RE: I would just love to know why....  
Thunderstruck27 : 10/20/2019 4:58 pm : link
In comment 14636734 Big_N said:
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It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.


Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?
RE: RE: RE: RE: One thing is clear.  
Mr. Bungle : 10/20/2019 4:59 pm : link
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Eli Manning was absolutely the problem.



They get shutout with Eli, fuck off.


Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?



Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.

Except I never claimed that.

My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.

Yeah, how's that going?
Simple facts  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2019 5:02 pm : link
Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3

Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach

8-25 over 3 seasons

38-58 over last 7 seasons
RE: RE: I’m listening to the HC  
bluesince56 : 10/20/2019 5:02 pm : link
In comment 14636726 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Q and A after this game. He’s an idiot. His answers expose his lack of understanding on running a game


You have more intestinal fortitude than I do.


I almost threw up. Hard to hold back!
RE: RE: I would just love to know why....  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:03 pm : link
In comment 14636786 Thunderstruck27 said:
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It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.



Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?


No I don't get it. He totally sucks. ANd was never anything in college.
Bob Papa  
bluesince56 : 10/20/2019 5:05 pm : link
reported that HC had “no problem with Slayton running it out” at end of game
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: One thing is clear.  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2019 5:07 pm : link
In comment 14636793 Mr. Bungle said:
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Eli Manning was absolutely the problem.



They get shutout with Eli, fuck off.


Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?



Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.


Except I never claimed that.

My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.

Yeah, how's that going?


Nobody claimed Eli was “holding the team back”. Nobody. The argument was and always has been that this team needed a full rebuild and that Eli at 38 years was finished and we needed growing pains with a rookie QB
Wondering now  
fanofthejets : 10/20/2019 5:07 pm : link
With a Giants regime change pretty much guaranteed (Shurmur and Gettleman on borrowed time, but I do think they get the full season) will the next GM/Coach combo be onboard with Jones or will they perhaps draft another QB for 2020? Could be an Arizona Cardinals situation once again.

Seems to have worked for them
Very few thought  
AcesUp : 10/20/2019 5:07 pm : link
switching to a rookie QB would immediately turn this thing around. The point was to get the rookie in to make his mistakes now and get some valuable experience.

This thing stopped being about Eli YEARS ago. It took the top of the Giants organization a year and a half too long to figure that out and some of you are still in fucking lala land.
RE: Bob Papa  
The_Boss : 10/20/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14636818 bluesince56 said:
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reported that HC had “no problem with Slayton running it out” at end of game


Fucking guy is clueless.
RE: Bob Papa  
Mike in Prescott : 10/20/2019 5:08 pm : link
OFF WITH HIS HEAD!

In comment 14636818 bluesince56 said:
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reported that HC had “no problem with Slayton running it out” at end of game
RE: Bob Papa  
HomerJones45 : 10/20/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14636818 bluesince56 said:
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reported that HC had “no problem with Slayton running it out” at end of game
I got no problem with that; he's supporting his players. Yes, it was a stupid decision but he didn't throw the kid under the bus.
This isn't all Shurmur...  
wma31 : 10/20/2019 5:09 pm : link
but, in my opinion, he's just not a good head coach. I don't think it's too early to make that assessment. You don't magically become a better head coach one day. He just doesn't seem to have the instinct and knowledge to lead and prepare a team. That includes his in-game decisions.

But, when we get past that, we have so many issues. I see a lot of good in Daniel Jones. He makes some really nice throws in some tight windows. Yet, he does have a turnover issue. He needs to improve on ball security and recognition of certain plays that lead to turnovers. I'm confident he can figure that out. I'm a big fan of him as our QB of the future.

It would help if our offensive line can block. They just can't. Teams consistently get pressure by rushing just four. The Cardinals did most of the game. It puts so much pressure on a young QB because, not only does he get pressured, but he has tighter windows to throw into the secondary with more men dropping back. It also seems like we can't open up a hole for the running game without holding. Saquon was clearly rusty and not all the way back today, but he had no room to run for most of the time.

Our receivers constantly drop passes. Some are contested plays, while others, like the Engram drop, are just drops in open spots. It's so hard to have consistent offensive play when you combine all that.

And that doesn't even get to our defense. My god, we can't tackle, take poor angles, over-pursue runners and struggle to get off the field on 3rd downs.

All in all, we're a bad football team with a few, young bright spots. That game was there to win today, but between Shurmur and all the mistakes, we get another loss.

Just all very frustrating.


RE: The Cards  
Bluesbreaker : 10/20/2019 5:09 pm : link
In comment 14636340 WillVAB said:
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Just beat us on the road with an inferior roster. That should tell you all you need to know about this coaching staff.

Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .
BS people were not saying Eli was not holding them bck  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:09 pm : link
A ton of goofs on here thought this was a winning team wo Eli. That includes the loser connection gettlemen n shumur .... why bring him back if you knew you were rebuilding and non competitive. They really thought this D might cut it in the nfl
The thing that kills me is that we passed on Patricia  
Mike in Prescott : 10/20/2019 5:13 pm : link
For "Mr. Nice Guy." It is hard for me to really accept how clueless this organization is. We may still have something in Jones, but otherwise I don't see a lot of good moves. And I HATE Shurmer now. Just unwatchable football at this point. Sorry. Ranting over.
RE: People  
gmenatlarge : 10/20/2019 5:13 pm : link
In comment 14636707 AcidTest said:
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are underestimating how badly handicapped Jones is on most plays. Bad OL and receivers who can't separate. He's made some ridiculously accurate throws. It's mindless stubbornness and stupidity not to protect him better, either by using a sixth OL or benching Remmers.


No way you can blame one guy on the O-line, as a unit they are terrible.
The thing  
Nine-Tails : 10/20/2019 5:14 pm : link
that sucks is we're going to enter another offseason in which the oline is a big weakness. Going on for over 7 years. One would be like how, but the Giants wrote a master thesis on how.
I can name names about the anti Eli  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:14 pm : link
....I don't want to do that however
RE: The thing  
AcesUp : 10/20/2019 5:16 pm : link
In comment 14636870 Nine-Tails said:
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that sucks is we're going to enter another offseason in which the oline is a big weakness. Going on for over 7 years. One would be like how, but the Giants wrote a master thesis on how.


With how many spots settled? 2. A lot of bluster to only settle two offensive line positions in two offseasons.
How come no one is mentioning Hal Hunter or  
NYRiese : 10/20/2019 5:18 pm : link
the rest of the position coaches.
2nd tier all, and Maras reluctance or ignorance to pay for top notch coaching talent.
RE: BS people were not saying Eli was not holding them bck  
joe48 : 10/20/2019 5:20 pm : link
In comment 14636843 Big_N said:
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A ton of goofs on here thought this was a winning team wo Eli. That includes the loser connection gettlemen n shumur .... why bring him back if you knew you were rebuilding and non competitive. They really thought this D might cut it in the nfl
The owner wanted Eli back.
...  
BleedBlue : 10/20/2019 5:22 pm : link
you guys freaking out about jones are a joke.

its game FIVE. do you undertand? this was his FIRST game with all the talent back and he didnt have shepard.

he hasnt had his players in full ONCE. sloppy conditions today too. i am sorry but you ugys are getting crazy here.

givet he kid time. he is oging to make mistakes he is a rookie
RE: The thing that kills me is that we passed on Patricia  
fanofthejets : 10/20/2019 5:23 pm : link
In comment 14636862 Mike in Prescott said:
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For "Mr. Nice Guy." It is hard for me to really accept how clueless this organization is. We may still have something in Jones, but otherwise I don't see a lot of good moves. And I HATE Shurmer now. Just unwatchable football at this point. Sorry. Ranting over.


The Giants were had their choice of Patricia or Shurmur. They wanted Patricia but had to settle for Shurmur. Neither are good coaches.
RE: Simple facts  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:24 pm : link
In comment 14636807 twostepgiants said:
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3

Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach

8-25 over 3 seasons

38-58 over last 7 seasons


2-3 is not a good record!
RE: RE: Simple facts  
twostepgiants : 10/20/2019 5:25 pm : link
In comment 14636904 Big_N said:
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3

Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach

8-25 over 3 seasons

38-58 over last 7 seasons



2-3 is not a good record!


It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
RE: RE: Jones is a stud  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:27 pm : link
In comment 14636720 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.


Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.


Thats is a silly take. Shurmur is Jones' guy. What is the point of JOnes wo Shurmur ? Jones ends up a journeyman back up if this team doesn't start winning his fault or not since a new coach would mean no more jones
Best RB in league  
bc4life : 10/20/2019 5:27 pm : link
held to 70 yards by one of the worst defenses. = no running game. add to that, 8 sacks, 12 QB hits - and you want to talk about the rookie QB? Really?
Welp ...at least we have seen some potential .  
buster : 10/20/2019 5:27 pm : link
A huge difference between this year and last years catastrophe as far as performance and expectation.. Last year was a bottom which I hope I never have to witness again..... I think we will end up as an overall 6 for the season...as opposed to 2019's 3... Not so bad!
RE: RE: The Cards  
gmenatlarge : 10/20/2019 5:28 pm : link
In comment 14636842 Bluesbreaker said:
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Just beat us on the road with an inferior roster. That should tell you all you need to know about this coaching staff.


Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .


Bettcher was not familiar with that offense, new regime in Arizona.
RE: RE: RE: Simple facts  
Big_N : 10/20/2019 5:29 pm : link
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3

Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach

8-25 over 3 seasons

38-58 over last 7 seasons



2-3 is not a good record!



It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.


If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Simple facts  
BleedBlue : 10/20/2019 5:31 pm : link
In comment 14636923 Big_N said:
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In comment 14636807 twostepgiants said:


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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3

Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach

8-25 over 3 seasons

38-58 over last 7 seasons



2-3 is not a good record!



It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.



If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.


eli wasnt the problem but he wasnt part of solutiob. jones is future. what the fuck dont people get? benching eli is common fucking sense
RE: the  
BleedBlue : 10/20/2019 5:32 pm : link
In comment 14636936 Eric from BBI said:
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Cardinals had an astounding 12 tackles for losses in this game. You can't win like that.


OL needs work
Let's put  
broadbandz : 10/20/2019 5:32 pm : link
Eli in as a player's coach. The year is over so lets be a progressive organization and try something new.
The coach is the problem  
Rflairr : 10/20/2019 5:32 pm : link
He’s 17-39 as a HC. How much more do you need to see from this clueless clown. He’s never going to win anything. He’s not a Head Coach
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