- This should cement the Giants as sellers for whatever few tradable assets who don't figure on the team in 2020.
- It's more school of hard knocks for Daniel Jones to go through the rookie growing pains and come out the better for it, and boy did he have them today in the beating he took
- Eyes wide open on who Shurmur is as a coach. He was able to hide last year thanks to a complete strip down of the roster. But we saw his natural tendency to screw up when he blew the game in Philly. This time, with more or less a full season of Jones, if Shurmur is causing problems in the decisions and game plan, this should signal to the Giants that while Jones might be the future, Shurmur just isn't the guy. He's a coordinator who can't hack it as a head man. I thought the Giants would give him 3 years by default, but I think we've all seen enough now. If you are targeting to win in 2020, do it with a coach who you can win with. That's not Shurmur.
Great post. Basically where I'm at after that game. [/quote]
remember Gettleman's quote when he hired him "shurmur was the adult of those interviewed"
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.
Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.
You mean the same coach many on here were calling a QB whisperer and touting how good he was for his prior QBs? The excuse making on here is sad. Maybe the folks posting all the preseason stats were premature. Maybe not. But right now Jones looks about the same as many of the other first round QBs from past two drafts — potential with some struggles. To say more is disingenuous. The jury is out.
It doesn't matter if he would or would not have done better. He's roughly same age as the opposing coach today and this team is behind shedule in a rebuild. Move the fuck on already.
are underestimating how badly handicapped Jones is on most plays. Bad OL and receivers who can't separate. He's made some ridiculously accurate throws. It's mindless stubbornness and stupidity not to protect him better, either by using a sixth OL or benching Remmers.
Good points. PS exposed him against the Patriots as well. No boots? I hate that we are in shotgun so much.
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
I’d love to know why people who found every excuse in the book for Eli over the course of 8-26 over 2+ seasons and 7 out of 8 losing seasons can’t seem to apply the same logic to Jones?
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Who cares? I agree with you, but that train has left the station. Manning is not playing this year and he is gone after the season. Focus on the future.
DC's are getting more film on Jones and they are following the rookie qb pattern: stop Barkley, keep Jones in the pocket and make him win the game with these shitty wideouts and the mercurial Engram. They are jumping the slants.
So now, let's see how Jones responds. I am not worried about the qb fumbles. Sooner or later he will learn that he's not playing against North Carolina, that he is not getting away from some of these linemen and that he needs to put two hands on the ball.
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?
Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?
Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.
Except I never claimed that.
My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.
It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?
No I don't get it. He totally sucks. ANd was never anything in college.
Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?
Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.
Except I never claimed that.
My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.
Yeah, how's that going?
Nobody claimed Eli was “holding the team back”. Nobody. The argument was and always has been that this team needed a full rebuild and that Eli at 38 years was finished and we needed growing pains with a rookie QB
With a Giants regime change pretty much guaranteed (Shurmur and Gettleman on borrowed time, but I do think they get the full season) will the next GM/Coach combo be onboard with Jones or will they perhaps draft another QB for 2020? Could be an Arizona Cardinals situation once again.
switching to a rookie QB would immediately turn this thing around. The point was to get the rookie in to make his mistakes now and get some valuable experience.
This thing stopped being about Eli YEARS ago. It took the top of the Giants organization a year and a half too long to figure that out and some of you are still in fucking lala land.
but, in my opinion, he's just not a good head coach. I don't think it's too early to make that assessment. You don't magically become a better head coach one day. He just doesn't seem to have the instinct and knowledge to lead and prepare a team. That includes his in-game decisions.
But, when we get past that, we have so many issues. I see a lot of good in Daniel Jones. He makes some really nice throws in some tight windows. Yet, he does have a turnover issue. He needs to improve on ball security and recognition of certain plays that lead to turnovers. I'm confident he can figure that out. I'm a big fan of him as our QB of the future.
It would help if our offensive line can block. They just can't. Teams consistently get pressure by rushing just four. The Cardinals did most of the game. It puts so much pressure on a young QB because, not only does he get pressured, but he has tighter windows to throw into the secondary with more men dropping back. It also seems like we can't open up a hole for the running game without holding. Saquon was clearly rusty and not all the way back today, but he had no room to run for most of the time.
Our receivers constantly drop passes. Some are contested plays, while others, like the Engram drop, are just drops in open spots. It's so hard to have consistent offensive play when you combine all that.
And that doesn't even get to our defense. My god, we can't tackle, take poor angles, over-pursue runners and struggle to get off the field on 3rd downs.
All in all, we're a bad football team with a few, young bright spots. That game was there to win today, but between Shurmur and all the mistakes, we get another loss.
Just beat us on the road with an inferior roster. That should tell you all you need to know about this coaching staff.
Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .
BS people were not saying Eli was not holding them bck Â
A ton of goofs on here thought this was a winning team wo Eli. That includes the loser connection gettlemen n shumur .... why bring him back if you knew you were rebuilding and non competitive. They really thought this D might cut it in the nfl
The thing that kills me is that we passed on Patricia Â
For "Mr. Nice Guy." It is hard for me to really accept how clueless this organization is. We may still have something in Jones, but otherwise I don't see a lot of good moves. And I HATE Shurmer now. Just unwatchable football at this point. Sorry. Ranting over.
are underestimating how badly handicapped Jones is on most plays. Bad OL and receivers who can't separate. He's made some ridiculously accurate throws. It's mindless stubbornness and stupidity not to protect him better, either by using a sixth OL or benching Remmers.
No way you can blame one guy on the O-line, as a unit they are terrible.
that sucks is we're going to enter another offseason in which the oline is a big weakness. Going on for over 7 years. One would be like how, but the Giants wrote a master thesis on how.
that sucks is we're going to enter another offseason in which the oline is a big weakness. Going on for over 7 years. One would be like how, but the Giants wrote a master thesis on how.
With how many spots settled? 2. A lot of bluster to only settle two offensive line positions in two offseasons.
A ton of goofs on here thought this was a winning team wo Eli. That includes the loser connection gettlemen n shumur .... why bring him back if you knew you were rebuilding and non competitive. They really thought this D might cut it in the nfl
For "Mr. Nice Guy." It is hard for me to really accept how clueless this organization is. We may still have something in Jones, but otherwise I don't see a lot of good moves. And I HATE Shurmer now. Just unwatchable football at this point. Sorry. Ranting over.
The Giants were had their choice of Patricia or Shurmur. They wanted Patricia but had to settle for Shurmur. Neither are good coaches.
Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.
Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.
Thats is a silly take. Shurmur is Jones' guy. What is the point of JOnes wo Shurmur ? Jones ends up a journeyman back up if this team doesn't start winning his fault or not since a new coach would mean no more jones
A huge difference between this year and last years catastrophe as far as performance and expectation.. Last year was a bottom which I hope I never have to witness again..... I think we will end up as an overall 6 for the season...as opposed to 2019's 3... Not so bad!
Just beat us on the road with an inferior roster. That should tell you all you need to know about this coaching staff.
Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .
Bettcher was not familiar with that offense, new regime in Arizona.
It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.
It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.
eli wasnt the problem but he wasnt part of solutiob. jones is future. what the fuck dont people get? benching eli is common fucking sense
You have more intestinal fortitude than I do.
Nobody likes losing but their faces told a different story today (even on TV).
Anybody see the same?
- This should cement the Giants as sellers for whatever few tradable assets who don't figure on the team in 2020.
- It's more school of hard knocks for Daniel Jones to go through the rookie growing pains and come out the better for it, and boy did he have them today in the beating he took
- Eyes wide open on who Shurmur is as a coach. He was able to hide last year thanks to a complete strip down of the roster. But we saw his natural tendency to screw up when he blew the game in Philly. This time, with more or less a full season of Jones, if Shurmur is causing problems in the decisions and game plan, this should signal to the Giants that while Jones might be the future, Shurmur just isn't the guy. He's a coordinator who can't hack it as a head man. I thought the Giants would give him 3 years by default, but I think we've all seen enough now. If you are targeting to win in 2020, do it with a coach who you can win with. That's not Shurmur.
Great post. Basically where I'm at after that game. [/quote]
remember Gettleman's quote when he hired him "shurmur was the adult of those interviewed"
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Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.
Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.
And what happened to the stout interior DL we keep hearing about?
Good points. PS exposed him against the Patriots as well. No boots? I hate that we are in shotgun so much.
I’d love to know why people who found every excuse in the book for Eli over the course of 8-26 over 2+ seasons and 7 out of 8 losing seasons can’t seem to apply the same logic to Jones?
DC's are getting more film on Jones and they are following the rookie qb pattern: stop Barkley, keep Jones in the pocket and make him win the game with these shitty wideouts and the mercurial Engram. They are jumping the slants.
So now, let's see how Jones responds. I am not worried about the qb fumbles. Sooner or later he will learn that he's not playing against North Carolina, that he is not getting away from some of these linemen and that he needs to put two hands on the ball.
Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?
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Eli Manning was absolutely the problem.
They get shutout with Eli, fuck off.
Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?
Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.
Except I never claimed that.
My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.
Yeah, how's that going?
Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach
8-25 over 3 seasons
38-58 over last 7 seasons
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Q and A after this game. He’s an idiot. His answers expose his lack of understanding on running a game
You have more intestinal fortitude than I do.
I almost threw up. Hard to hold back!
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It was Eli's fault when this team looked like shit when they were missing key guys like in the Bills game. With Saq and EE back, they lose to a 2-3 team at home, but it is everyone's but Jones' fault.
Because Jones has played in 5 games and Eli was a 15 vet that couldn't compete. Get it now?
No I don't get it. He totally sucks. ANd was never anything in college.
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Eli Manning was absolutely the problem.
They get shutout with Eli, fuck off.
Oh, did scoring points today count as a win for you?
Fuck no, but you have to be delusional to think Eli being in this game would lead to a W.
Except I never claimed that.
My point is that it's very amusing to think of the goofballs who thought that Eli was holding the team back, and once the switch was made, the team would be off and running towards restored glory.
Yeah, how's that going?
Nobody claimed Eli was “holding the team back”. Nobody. The argument was and always has been that this team needed a full rebuild and that Eli at 38 years was finished and we needed growing pains with a rookie QB
Seems to have worked for them
This thing stopped being about Eli YEARS ago. It took the top of the Giants organization a year and a half too long to figure that out and some of you are still in fucking lala land.
Fucking guy is clueless.
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But, when we get past that, we have so many issues. I see a lot of good in Daniel Jones. He makes some really nice throws in some tight windows. Yet, he does have a turnover issue. He needs to improve on ball security and recognition of certain plays that lead to turnovers. I'm confident he can figure that out. I'm a big fan of him as our QB of the future.
It would help if our offensive line can block. They just can't. Teams consistently get pressure by rushing just four. The Cardinals did most of the game. It puts so much pressure on a young QB because, not only does he get pressured, but he has tighter windows to throw into the secondary with more men dropping back. It also seems like we can't open up a hole for the running game without holding. Saquon was clearly rusty and not all the way back today, but he had no room to run for most of the time.
Our receivers constantly drop passes. Some are contested plays, while others, like the Engram drop, are just drops in open spots. It's so hard to have consistent offensive play when you combine all that.
And that doesn't even get to our defense. My god, we can't tackle, take poor angles, over-pursue runners and struggle to get off the field on 3rd downs.
All in all, we're a bad football team with a few, young bright spots. That game was there to win today, but between Shurmur and all the mistakes, we get another loss.
Just all very frustrating.
Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .
No way you can blame one guy on the O-line, as a unit they are terrible.
With how many spots settled? 2. A lot of bluster to only settle two offensive line positions in two offseasons.
2nd tier all, and Maras reluctance or ignorance to pay for top notch coaching talent.
its game FIVE. do you undertand? this was his FIRST game with all the talent back and he didnt have shepard.
he hasnt had his players in full ONCE. sloppy conditions today too. i am sorry but you ugys are getting crazy here.
givet he kid time. he is oging to make mistakes he is a rookie
The Giants were had their choice of Patricia or Shurmur. They wanted Patricia but had to settle for Shurmur. Neither are good coaches.
Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach
8-25 over 3 seasons
38-58 over last 7 seasons
2-3 is not a good record!
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3
Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach
8-25 over 3 seasons
38-58 over last 7 seasons
2-3 is not a good record!
It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
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Get a few WR who can get open so he doesn’t have to hold the ball and a couple OL who can at least stand in front of their man and you will see a top 10 QB easy.
Get a coach who is not constantly calling scripted wco spacing/comeback routes against Tampa 2.
Thats is a silly take. Shurmur is Jones' guy. What is the point of JOnes wo Shurmur ? Jones ends up a journeyman back up if this team doesn't start winning his fault or not since a new coach would mean no more jones
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Just beat us on the road with an inferior roster. That should tell you all you need to know about this coaching staff.
Thats pretty much how I felt and I can't state much more than already been said I still think DG has been good in the draft
free agency not so much . Shurmur is what he record says he is
a loser . Betchers defense was very ill prepared .
for a team he is very familiar with .
Even his body language is poor and always has this pathetic
look on his face like someome stole his lunch money .
Is he really helping Jones ? I don't think so or its not getting through . The O-line still needs a lot of help.
His game planning on offense is unknown .
Bettcher was not familiar with that offense, new regime in Arizona.
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3
Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach
8-25 over 3 seasons
38-58 over last 7 seasons
2-3 is not a good record!
It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.
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Eli Manning is 0-2 this year and Jones is 2-3
Eli is 5-13 over 2 seasons with this coach
8-25 over 3 seasons
38-58 over last 7 seasons
2-3 is not a good record!
It’s better than Eli’s and its not bad for a rookie QB.
If eli was the problem they should be winning 3 in a row... NOT LOSING 3 IN A ROW! There only wins came from a missed chip shot and playing a winless team.
eli wasnt the problem but he wasnt part of solutiob. jones is future. what the fuck dont people get? benching eli is common fucking sense
OL needs work