He’s been out 3 games without no practice save the last few days
I see people miss more time and come back and not do dumb shit like what he did today. The dancing is becoming a huge issue with him and he blitz pick up for a guy touched by the hand of god leaves a lot to be desired. If he is playing NO FUCKING EXCUSES
How the hell could the first strip sack be his fault? Â
because of the lack of practice he's had in the past few weeks with his injury. He probably should've waited one more game before coming back, especially with his injury getting slightly aggravated on that one play. Still, I'd have to agree with the facts of his performance today.
It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
He didn’t play as well as we are used to, but come on guys. Some of you change your opinions more often than a weather vane. And others are just desperate to be right.
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
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It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
He didn’t play as well as we are used to, but come on guys. Some of you change your opinions more often than a weather vane. And others are just desperate to be right.
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
This thread is not meant to be an attack ok Barkley or his draft selection. He’s an excellent player. He was just really bad today. Maybe it wasn’t playing in 3 weeks, but he was a net negative today.
He didn’t play as well as we are used to, but come on guys. Some of you change your opinions more often than a weather vane. And others are just desperate to be right.
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
This thread is not meant to be an attack ok Barkley or his draft selection. He’s an excellent player. He was just really bad today. Maybe it wasn’t playing in 3 weeks, but he was a net negative today.
Not saying he had a good day. But I have a hard time calling him a net negative. I think the whole offense was a net negative. Starting up front.
Nonetheless Shurmur kept calling that same run up the middle on almost every single first down to put us behind the eight ball.
Meanwhile Barkley was just about completely overlooked in the passing game. Get him the ball with some open space!
He was good for 7 or 8 yards three times on little swing
passes. He did have one pathetic drop, but Coach, get him more involved in the passing game for pete's sake!
What makes Shurmur believe he should be doing the play
calling is nutso. He's dreadful at it.
I understand this is blasphemous, but I an really wondering if strategically the Giants made a mistake in drafting Barkley with that 2nd overall pick. They failed to recognise that they needed to be in rebuild mode. Good organisations are ahead of the curve, the Giants were behind it. Fooled themselves into believing they were good enough to compete. Gettleman couldn’t get excited by Sam Darnold, but is by Daniel Jones? Okay, then either draft a stud hog mollie or trade down for more picks. But looking around the league, there are running backs drafted much lower down who are delivering, because they have superior offensive lines to make the openings for them.
A great player, but not what the Giants need at this time.
Of course, Jerry Reese drafting Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers hasn’t helped either.
It's apparent that we will soon be two years into his career with little to prove that we're "building" into a winner. That's horrendous for a high first round running back considering his prime started when he was drafted.
Jones pick will become a waste as well so long as we're sans offensive line and defense.
Great talent but does he make the offense better? Â
Barkley struggles and suddenly everyone hates him and him being drafted at #2 and more... how about Jones learns to hold the damn ball??? Or throw it away instead of standing in the pocket like a statue and getting blasted??? But I guess BBI is a miserable bunch as always
Just because we like him doesn’t mean we need to be apologists- his blocking was awful or non existent- he did not have great vision or decision making.
He’s a top 10 impact player so he needs to be graded to that standard
Barkley struggles and suddenly everyone hates him and him being drafted at #2 and more... how about Jones learns to hold the damn ball??? Or throw it away instead of standing in the pocket like a statue and getting blasted??? But I guess BBI is a miserable bunch as always
Let's be honest and admit that the pick of SB has not been a great one unless you want someone who impacts socially with the masses but not in the W column.
He has not made the team better and is inching closer to a massive deal. That is FACT
DG sold us that he is a once in a generational talent and that type of praise means he should be counted on to lead to wins and he cannot.
You telling me if we took Nelson that year and Nick Chubb or Guice or Lindly that we would not be better today?
Did have a bad game and that is going to happen from time to time but could you imagine trying to watch this team without him here it would be totally depressing I still believe he is the piece to build around they don't use him in the passing game like they should and that shotgun run play RPO crap just is not working
Barkley is the best thing to happen to this team Â
in like 16 years. He can dance all he wants to because he will eventually break one. Stop the stupid shotgun runs and let him take over the game with Jones under center. Shurmur is such a giant jackass.
It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
We may need to chill out on the "best running back in football" thing until he decidedly reclaims that title. It's evident our own coach doesn't even think he currently holds it.
RE: RE: RE: RE: How the hell could the first strip sack be his fault? Â
It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
We may need to chill out on the "best running back in football" thing until he decidedly reclaims that title. It's evident our own coach doesn't even think he currently holds it.
If he’s not the best, he’s certainly in the top 5 and Shurmur uses him like he’s Rashad Jennings. 18 carries on a rainy day?
Perfect example. Our first drive. Jones had scrambled for a first down. Barkley then runs for 6 yards. 2nd and 4, keep using your best player. No, tries to pass, gets sacked. Next play? INT on 3rd and long. Why is Shurmur so scared to pound the rock?
How about the first drive out of half. Barkley runs for 4 yards. Short passes on 2nd and 3rd down. One is complete for 3 yards and the other doesn’t work.
Then when you consider the Cards have been ineffective against the TE, you use your young hybrid TE to the tune of 1 catch for 6 yards. For all of the glowing reports of Shurmur as an offensive genius, he surely doesn’t exploit other teams’ weaknesses too well.
Then, the press asks him why he ran a draw on 3rd and 20. And his answer is well I wanted to keep Saquon involved. Well maybe if you used the guy more effectively in the first 3 quarters, you’re not in total bailout mode in the 4th.
...failing to protect Daniel Jones.
Not good.
And his dancing at the LOS was just as bad.
I see people miss more time and come back and not do dumb shit like what he did today. The dancing is becoming a huge issue with him and he blitz pick up for a guy touched by the hand of god leaves a lot to be desired. If he is playing NO FUCKING EXCUSES
It was a dumb pick, but he's here. He should be touching the ball constantly. Run him into the ground and trade him after 2020.
That's what a smart team would do. The Giants will give him a contract like what the Cardinals gave David Johnson. How much did they miss him today?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Bruce I have to say Barkley played pretty poorly in the passing game. He contributed to poor pass pro and passing results.
if we could go back 2 years, we should have started with a different GM who would have made different decisions.
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Bruce I have to say Barkley played pretty poorly in the passing game. He contributed to poor pass pro and passing results.
Fine, but he’s also somewhat rusty from his layoff. He hasn’t had a live “feel for the game” for about a month
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He’s been out 3 games without no practice save the last few days
Bruce I have to say Barkley played pretty poorly in the passing game. He contributed to poor pass pro and passing results.
Fine, but he’s also somewhat rusty from his layoff. He hasn’t had a live “feel for the game” for about a month
Hence why it might be his worst game as a pro.
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It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
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It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
Now this I agree with. Completely
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
This thread is not meant to be an attack ok Barkley or his draft selection. He’s an excellent player. He was just really bad today. Maybe it wasn’t playing in 3 weeks, but he was a net negative today.
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He didn’t play as well as we are used to, but come on guys. Some of you change your opinions more often than a weather vane. And others are just desperate to be right.
If Jones and Barkley are the backfield that turns this franchise around who really cares where they were drafted. I need to remind myself to avoid this place after a loss.
This thread is not meant to be an attack ok Barkley or his draft selection. He’s an excellent player. He was just really bad today. Maybe it wasn’t playing in 3 weeks, but he was a net negative today.
Not saying he had a good day. But I have a hard time calling him a net negative. I think the whole offense was a net negative. Starting up front.
Meanwhile Barkley was just about completely overlooked in the passing game. Get him the ball with some open space!
He was good for 7 or 8 yards three times on little swing
passes. He did have one pathetic drop, but Coach, get him more involved in the passing game for pete's sake!
What makes Shurmur believe he should be doing the play
calling is nutso. He's dreadful at it.
A great player, but not what the Giants need at this time.
Of course, Jerry Reese drafting Eli Apple and Ereck Flowers hasn’t helped either.
Let’s face it. Most of the didn’t play well today and they weren’t prepared as evidenced by the first quarter performance.
Jones pick will become a waste as well so long as we're sans offensive line and defense.
He is a lot like Odell in that regard
He’s a top 10 impact player so he needs to be graded to that standard
Let's be honest and admit that the pick of SB has not been a great one unless you want someone who impacts socially with the masses but not in the W column.
He has not made the team better and is inching closer to a massive deal. That is FACT
DG sold us that he is a once in a generational talent and that type of praise means he should be counted on to lead to wins and he cannot.
You telling me if we took Nelson that year and Nick Chubb or Guice or Lindly that we would not be better today?
It was a dumb pick, but he's here. He should be touching the ball constantly. Run him into the ground and trade him after 2020.
That's what a smart team would do. The Giants will give him a contract like what the Cardinals gave David Johnson. How much did they miss him today?
And, worst post of the year goes to....
Barkley an awful pick? Are you effin serious? GTFOH! He is by far the best player on the field. What is wrong with people?
He's better than McCaffrey and he is winning plenty of games. It's Barkley's fault? Was Barry Sanders a bad pick, you imbecile??
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It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
We may need to chill out on the "best running back in football" thing until he decidedly reclaims that title. It's evident our own coach doesn't even think he currently holds it.
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In comment 14636606 PetesHereNow said:
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It was a screen pass to him. Is he supposed to block the guy on the other side and catch the ball too?
The Chandler Jones strip sack was on him, so was the Patrick Peterson one as well. Those are what I’m referring too.
Only way you would know who is at fault for those blocking assignments is if you know the play designs. My bitch is more with the idea that the offense doesn’t use him in imaginative ways. You never see him on a wheel route downfield or an angle route. It’s either a run or a dump off. Best running back in football and we use him like a garden variety back.
We may need to chill out on the "best running back in football" thing until he decidedly reclaims that title. It's evident our own coach doesn't even think he currently holds it.
If he’s not the best, he’s certainly in the top 5 and Shurmur uses him like he’s Rashad Jennings. 18 carries on a rainy day?
Perfect example. Our first drive. Jones had scrambled for a first down. Barkley then runs for 6 yards. 2nd and 4, keep using your best player. No, tries to pass, gets sacked. Next play? INT on 3rd and long. Why is Shurmur so scared to pound the rock?
How about the first drive out of half. Barkley runs for 4 yards. Short passes on 2nd and 3rd down. One is complete for 3 yards and the other doesn’t work.
Then when you consider the Cards have been ineffective against the TE, you use your young hybrid TE to the tune of 1 catch for 6 yards. For all of the glowing reports of Shurmur as an offensive genius, he surely doesn’t exploit other teams’ weaknesses too well.
Then, the press asks him why he ran a draw on 3rd and 20. And his answer is well I wanted to keep Saquon involved. Well maybe if you used the guy more effectively in the first 3 quarters, you’re not in total bailout mode in the 4th.