Next GM ideas...

And if not me, Louis Riddick may be okay as well

keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur.
get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

It’s not happening.

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

i'm not interested in keeping DG if we dump PS.

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

How many years to show improvement? Because this team looks just as bad as they were when this crew started.

DG really wanted PS? Mara wanted a coach with experience and he went the safe route and I am sure knowing they were drafting a QB soon played a part in it.

Time to get a Defensive coach.

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

This will severely limit the candidates we can hire, the young coach needs to be in complete lockstep with the GM.

a lot of talent. FAs have been hit or miss. Might need to change some position coaches. LB - simply not enough talent. Connelly was missed today

Whatever your opinions, get this through your heads.

1. This organization does not like to fire GMs
2. This organization does not like to fire head coaches
3. Mara does not want to fire a coach after two years, especially after the McAdoo disaster

No one is getting fired this season. Maybe Schurmur of year three is a dud. But despite all the criticism and hubub over relative draft value, Gettleman has drafted very well. Jury is out on Schurmur and Bettcher and will be until the team wins consistently.

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

Other tha RB, what position is stronger now under Gettleman?

the next hot name is . Mara will pick some schmuck with giants ties maybe abrams and the a pick a moron for a HC like his other 2 beauties in mcadoo and shurmur.

Im pretty much at the point where i realize this franchise has no hope just like the knicks with dolan. IF your owner sucks, you have no chance

appear to have resulted from what was most likely orders from ownership to attempt to compete with Eli at QB immediately. Those free agents and trades are the biggest black mark against him at the moment. However, most of those contracts were structured to be gotten out of over the next two off-seasons. SO we will have room to develop and grow around our QB of the future. So far his drafts have been productive and he has been more active in trading than we've seen in the past. I like the idea of what he seems to be trying to do and I think he's earned at least a couple more years.

That said, how he handles the coaching situation moving forward will go a long way towards defining his legacy.

Never have suggestions for replacements. I agree that the GM and HC will be here next year.

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In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said: Quote: keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over.... Other tha RB, what position is stronger now under Gettleman?

OG
OT (Flowers and Hart anyone??)
DT
CB (depth on paper)

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In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said: Quote: keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over.... Other tha RB, what position is stronger now under Gettleman?

OL sucked today but i think they are slightly improved. the secondary will be better, there are alot of young guys that need time to develop. We have a lot of young guys starting guys. need to be a little patient. connelly also looked like a winner at LB

when we hired another wco HC Mcadoo citing a need for Eli to throw 70% completion rate. Its pretty clear the problem lies with Mara/Tisch.

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appear to have resulted from what was most likely orders from ownership to attempt to compete with Eli at QB immediately. Those free agents and trades are the biggest black mark against him at the moment. However, most of those contracts were structured to be gotten out of over the next two off-seasons. SO we will have room to develop and grow around our QB of the future. So far his drafts have been productive and he has been more active in trading than we've seen in the past. I like the idea of what he seems to be trying to do and I think he's earned at least a couple more years. That said, how he handles the coaching situation moving forward will go a long way towards defining his legacy.

You raise a good point

In comment 14636845 joe48 said:

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Never have suggestions for replacements. I agree that the GM and HC will be here next year.

I listed two interesting candidates in my opening.

In comment 14636811 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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DG really wanted PS? Mara wanted a coach with experience and he went the safe route and I am sure knowing they were drafting a QB soon played a part in it. Time to get a Defensive coach.

I can not imagine DG taking the job with the ability to hire his HC. What GM would?

Abrams.

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In comment 14636845 joe48 said: Quote: Never have suggestions for replacements. I agree that the GM and HC will be here next year. I listed two interesting candidates in my opening.

Yeah except they are not in ernie accorsi rolodex so you can forget about that .

In comment 14636820 Emil said:

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Whatever your opinions, get this through your heads. 1. This organization does not like to fire GMs 2. This organization does not like to fire head coaches 3. Mara does not want to fire a coach after two years, especially after the McAdoo disaster No one is getting fired this season. Maybe Schurmur of year three is a dud. But despite all the criticism and hubub over relative draft value, Gettleman has drafted very well. Jury is out on Schurmur and Bettcher and will be until the team wins consistently.

Exactly what progress has the team made through these “great” draft picks?

In comment 14636820 Emil said:

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Whatever your opinions, get this through your heads. 1. This organization does not like to fire GMs 2. This organization does not like to fire head coaches 3. Mara does not want to fire a coach after two years, especially after the McAdoo disaster No one is getting fired this season. Maybe Schurmur of year three is a dud. But despite all the criticism and hubub over relative draft value, Gettleman has drafted very well. Jury is out on Schurmur and Bettcher and will be until the team wins consistently.

Betcher is growing on me, seems to be able to fix his mistakes. Cardinals offense were a vastly superior coached and disciplined team than the Giants, and he held his own. It was like the difference between night and day out there watching the two teams. Of course a lot of young players are getting game time.

In comment 14636820 Emil said:

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Whatever your opinions, get this through your heads. 1. This organization does not like to fire GMs 2. This organization does not like to fire head coaches 3. Mara does not want to fire a coach after two years, especially after the McAdoo disaster No one is getting fired this season. Maybe Schurmur of year three is a dud. But despite all the criticism and hubub over relative draft value, Gettleman has drafted very well. Jury is out on Schurmur and Bettcher and will be until the team wins consistently.

Of course we know these traditions with Mara. But it doesn't mean we should just roll over and accept the continued incompetency.

Let me sure I understand this - we need to wait for Shurmur to win consistently before we pass judgment? Did you really write that with a straight face?

In comment 14636865 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14636811 Lines of Scrimmage said: Quote: DG really wanted PS? Mara wanted a coach with experience and he went the safe route and I am sure knowing they were drafting a QB soon played a part in it. Time to get a Defensive coach. I can not imagine DG taking the job with the ability to hire his HC. What GM would?

In theory I agree but do you really think Mara said Dave you have total control over everything? I don't

In comment 14636845 joe48 said:

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Never have suggestions for replacements. I agree that the GM and HC will be here next year.

To add to this: If you keep firing guys quickly, the top talent won't want to work for you. Fans tend to overlook this piece of it. How you treat people who work for you influences which people you can get to come work for you. People talk. Everybody knows. You can try to overcome impatient, impulsive ownership and a quick trigger finger by throwing money at people, but that's not a good way to run any organization.

Every GM has that in the job description.

Now the owner may want final signature, but the GM has to have that power.

"You're hired to be fired." NFL stands for Not For Long for a reason. If you don't produce wins, you're outta here.



I'd like to be a part of the solution

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In comment 14636886 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14636820 Emil said: Quote: Whatever your opinions, get this through your heads. 1. This organization does not like to fire GMs 2. This organization does not like to fire head coaches 3. Mara does not want to fire a coach after two years, especially after the McAdoo disaster No one is getting fired this season. Maybe Schurmur of year three is a dud. But despite all the criticism and hubub over relative draft value, Gettleman has drafted very well. Jury is out on Schurmur and Bettcher and will be until the team wins consistently. Of course we know these traditions with Mara. But it doesn't mean we should just roll over and accept the continued incompetency. Let me sure I understand this - we need to wait for Shurmur to win consistently before we pass judgment? Did you really write that with a straight face?

You’re not listening or reading correctly

I said the Jury is out on this coaching staff and will be until the team wins consistently.

If that does not happen Schurmur is gone. But that’s not happening this year.

I’m not telling you to do anything and I’m not saying “we” need to wait for anything. I’m just telling you what we all know to be true. Mara is not gin going to pull the plug on this HC in season two.

Fans can “pass judgement” all they want. But no one at 1925 Giants Drive cares what a bunch of fans on BBI think. And you know what, in total they are a better franchise for it.

In comment 14636901 bw in dc said:

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Every GM has that in the job description. Now the owner may want final signature, but the GM has to have that power.

Here is the big dilemna and it depends on where one finds the truth.

When Eli was benched and the uproar it created in 2017 I believe 100% that Mara decided Eli would finish his contract.

They hired PS a supposed QB/offensive guru for the short term with Eli and then knowing they had to draft a QB he would be a good developer.

I think DG did his best to assemble a line but shortly into last year he realized how bad the roster was. Sure, some nice players but probably no one you win a championship with.

Is Mara going to shit can a respected football man and longtime Giant employee if these restrictions existed? I think Mara really pushed PS.

Gotta be at the top of the list

second rate staff of position coaches.

Last time. And he’s still my favorite.

without much hesitation that Gettleman has been good in the drafts.

First, it's way too early to be declaring any of his draft picks a success or a bust.

Second, i believe there is too much weight being placed on the Saquon Barkley pick. He was the consensus best player in the draft - the way he is performing now is not very surprising.

The selections that DG makes late and outside of the 1st round are a better barometer of his abilities as a talent evaluator, and again it's too early to make that determination.

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

Remember this is DGs OL!

In comment 14636795 BleedBlue said:

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keep gettleman, get rid of shurmur. get a younger HC. DG hasnt done a bad job. this roster was a joke when he got here. it takes time to ocompletely turn it over....

I agree with this. Gettleman is adding talented players which is the biggest challenge. The Giants need a staff capable of getting the most out of that talent.

shurmur/Betchter/shula are a clown show.

Run the team like a corporation...profit & loss...win/ lose...market share...
market evaluation...
not on hopes and maybes...

In comment 14636977 eclipz928 said:

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without much hesitation that Gettleman has been good in the drafts. First, it's way too early to be declaring any of his draft picks a success or a bust. Second, i believe there is too much weight being placed on the Saquon Barkley pick. He was the consensus best player in the draft - the way he is performing now is not very surprising. The selections that DG makes late and outside of the 1st round are a better barometer of his abilities as a talent evaluator, and again it's too early to make that determination.

Yes.. I don't know why its assumed he drafts well.. we are looking like a 4-5 win team and we only won 5 games last year.. he then went on and changed Solders salary this year into bonus.. so we can't cut him next year without taking a huge hit..

I'll buy it that he has drafted well when we see the talent and the result on the field.. till then its all speculation..

has been here for two drafts, he is two for two. No team is letting go of GM who is 2 for 2

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has been here for two drafts, he is two for two. No team is letting go of GM who is 2 for 2

Two for two means what? Gettleman got all is picks in on time?

We don't know what we have yet because there isn't enough data. Barkley is the only draft pick who has been legitimately great. And we shouldn't have drafted him.

Lawrence looks good, but it's seven games...

In comment 14636947 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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Here is the big dilemna and it depends on where one finds the truth. When Eli was benched and the uproar it created in 2017 I believe 100% that Mara decided Eli would finish his contract. They hired PS a supposed QB/offensive guru for the short term with Eli and then knowing they had to draft a QB he would be a good developer. I think DG did his best to assemble a line but shortly into last year he realized how bad the roster was. Sure, some nice players but probably no one you win a championship with. Is Mara going to shit can a respected football man and longtime Giant employee if these restrictions existed? I think Mara really pushed PS.

If DG took the job without HC hiring rights than he was really desperate for another GM job. And it shows how narrow minded the GM search was...

We all know who the next GM will be, just like we knew who was going to replace Reese.

It's been preordained. Unfortunately.

In comment 14637083 Eric from BBI said:

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We all know who the next GM will be, just like we knew who was going to replace Reese. It's been preordained. Unfortunately.

Are the initials KA or CM? ;)

In comment 14637094 bw in dc said:

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In comment 14637083 Eric from BBI said: Quote: We all know who the next GM will be, just like we knew who was going to replace Reese. It's been preordained. Unfortunately. Are the initials KA or CM? ;)

Even Mara isn't stupid enough to hire his blood. It will be Kevin Abrams.

hired Steven.

In comment 14637083 Eric from BBI said:

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We all know who the next GM will be, just like we knew who was going to replace Reese. It's been preordained. Unfortunately.

Ugh, so brutal. And so true.

In comment 14637106 bw in dc said:

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hired Steven.

For better or worse, Jones doesn't give a shit. Mara does.

just keeps hiring the next guy in the sequence.

And they keep thinking it's a winning formula.

In comment 14637109 Eric from BBI said:

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In comment 14637106 bw in dc said: Quote: hired Steven. For better or worse, Jones doesn't give a shit. Mara does.

Look, I hope you are right. And it's easy to see that Abrams is clearly the "next Giants Way man up".

But it's the absolute wrong move.

I keep reading on this board about how wonderful a job Gettleman has done with the draft. Except for Barkley, who I can give you an argument against drafting him, tell me who are the other great impact players that he has drafted? I don't see anything special in ANY of his other selections at THIS time. It's way too early to evaluate some of these players but just because thy are playing, doesn't make them good players. I could argue that this roster is not any better then the one from two years ago. This is a game of results and the results have been the same for eight years now. We are fortunate not to be 1-6 and some here are content with the job this GM has done? Who do you think was a major part in the selection of this coach who we all now believe is not the answer at his job? I wish we could fire the owner but since we can't, I'd love a brand new regime from top to bottom. This team stinks!

Time to stop hiding behind the scenes.