is that we are firmly entrenched as one of the worst teams in the league now.....not just for this year but for 3 years in a row. That's enough to consider us an inept franchise.
At some point the arrows need to start pointing at Mara. I seriously hope the league steps in and stops him from hiring Abrams as the next GM. Enough of the soft nepotism/sentimenatilty shit. It's not way to run a successful business.
They've been bottom of the barrel since mid-2012..I believe Coughlin was the only thing keeping those teams from going 2 to 3 wins each of those seasons..
If anything it’s ideal because New York will generate money automatically just because it’s a huge market. Better off having the smaller markets thrive because they’ll get a boost and everyone is watching other games anyway.
With modern technology and media coverage we are beyond location mattering at all. Chiefs and New Orleans are both from tiny little markets and they could easily play in a Super Bowl and break récords. Players can be national stars regardless of team/local market.
I also don’t think people nationally view the Giants the same way as the Yankees or Lakers or whatever. They aren’t a national, flagship franchise like Dallas, Green Bay, Pittsburgh. They’re old money NFL but not a top tier national team.
You don’t a flag ship franchise in your biggest media market being continually lackluster
I think Eric’s got a good point.
Other than continuing to build the talent and finding a coach who is better at in game decisions, I’m not sure what else can be done. I like Schurmur as an offensive mind but he’s lost me on being able to call the plays and make the right decisions on a consistent basis. He needs to give one of those duties up and the owner should pressure him to do it.
was like playing against a well disciplined coached mistake free Coughlin team. A tremendous constrast to especially Giants O today, an absolute slopfest.
1. Jones. Is he the answer? We all need to hope so.
2. Head Coach. This is the one who can change the whole culture imo. PS lost me in preseason. Is this team being prepared to win? Do they expect to win? What repercussions are there when they don't win?
I think we need a HC who becomes the face of the franchise.
the league is strong in the Northeast, so they're ok. That makes up for the Giants and Jets.
The Ravens are an interesting team on the rise. That makes up for Washington.
The league office would probably love it if the Giants would get their shit together and at least be competitive but I doubt the lousy NY teams are really hurting the NFL.
But this day and age in sports ny market , or in this case giants, isn't as big as it has been for a struggling team. A lot new cities are catching up as far as ratings (smaller markets)
Too many people on this site revere him and the “Giants way”
This. Overly conservative and refuse to adapt and innovate. Rest of the league has passed them by. Can’t be successful relying on nepotism and cronyism.
The tickets are sold and people are still watching. I think NY fans tend to overestimate the importance of New York teams to the leagues. The NBA is flourishing and the Knicks have been a joke for two decades. The Giants are coming up on a decade of futility and the league is fine.
I doubt anyone in the NFL offices really has any concern about how far the GIants franchise has fallen.
Too many people on this site revere him and the “Giants way”
This. Overly conservative and refuse to adapt and innovate. Rest of the league has passed them by. Can’t be successful relying on nepotism and cronyism.
My feelings about the Mara family are more a result of the awful 1970s, when Wellington Mara was known more for his inept football decisions than his contributions to the league.
Will it cost the NFL money? I don't see how - they've managed to create secondary markets that they get a piece of, and since there are enough non-native NYers here when visiting teams come in their fans can pick up tickets to the game to fill up any slack. PSLs are already sold and people who bought them have to buy the tickets or lose them - it seems that gate revenue should be intact.
Fantasy football and gambling will ensure that there's still interest in even lopsided games. Do you know how many people I know that are not Giants or Cards fans that mentioned they'd be watching today because they had Murray or Barkley in their FF leagues?
It's not costing them dollars, and not costing them eyeballs. Mara is still raking in cash. Nobody is coming to save the Giants from themselves this time, and that's a damn shame.
1. Jones. Is he the answer? We all need to hope so.
2. Head Coach. This is the one who can change the whole culture imo. PS lost me in preseason. Is this team being prepared to win? Do they expect to win? What repercussions are there when they don't win?
I think we need a HC who becomes the face of the franchise.
Do you see the inherent irony imbued in the contrast between your handle and post?
At some point the arrows need to start pointing at Mara. I seriously hope the league steps in and stops him from hiring Abrams as the next GM. Enough of the soft nepotism/sentimenatilty shit. It's not way to run a successful business.
With modern technology and media coverage we are beyond location mattering at all. Chiefs and New Orleans are both from tiny little markets and they could easily play in a Super Bowl and break récords. Players can be national stars regardless of team/local market.
I also don’t think people nationally view the Giants the same way as the Yankees or Lakers or whatever. They aren’t a national, flagship franchise like Dallas, Green Bay, Pittsburgh. They’re old money NFL but not a top tier national team.
I think Eric’s got a good point.
Other than continuing to build the talent and finding a coach who is better at in game decisions, I’m not sure what else can be done. I like Schurmur as an offensive mind but he’s lost me on being able to call the plays and make the right decisions on a consistent basis. He needs to give one of those duties up and the owner should pressure him to do it.
Isn’t Chris Mara still the head of scouting?
Ah at least we get to point and laugh at the Cowbois.
1. Jones. Is he the answer? We all need to hope so.
2. Head Coach. This is the one who can change the whole culture imo. PS lost me in preseason. Is this team being prepared to win? Do they expect to win? What repercussions are there when they don't win?
I think we need a HC who becomes the face of the franchise.
The Ravens are an interesting team on the rise. That makes up for Washington.
The league office would probably love it if the Giants would get their shit together and at least be competitive but I doubt the lousy NY teams are really hurting the NFL.
This. Overly conservative and refuse to adapt and innovate. Rest of the league has passed them by. Can’t be successful relying on nepotism and cronyism.
I doubt anyone in the NFL offices really has any concern about how far the GIants franchise has fallen.
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Too many people on this site revere him and the “Giants way”
This. Overly conservative and refuse to adapt and innovate. Rest of the league has passed them by. Can’t be successful relying on nepotism and cronyism.
They should be more like Snyder and the Redskins or the post Jimmy Johnson Cowboys.
Fantasy football and gambling will ensure that there's still interest in even lopsided games. Do you know how many people I know that are not Giants or Cards fans that mentioned they'd be watching today because they had Murray or Barkley in their FF leagues?
It's not costing them dollars, and not costing them eyeballs. Mara is still raking in cash. Nobody is coming to save the Giants from themselves this time, and that's a damn shame.
1. Jones. Is he the answer? We all need to hope so.
2. Head Coach. This is the one who can change the whole culture imo. PS lost me in preseason. Is this team being prepared to win? Do they expect to win? What repercussions are there when they don't win?
I think we need a HC who becomes the face of the franchise.
Do you see the inherent irony imbued in the contrast between your handle and post?
Maybe you might consider a new handle?