Carl Banks makes one of his

Carl has forgotten more football than you'll ever know.

they need a WR. unfortunately we just dumped a star WR because we had to. they will need to replace him and i expect them to add one this offseason via draft.

you guys need to be patient. we went from trying to win to going for a rebuild and it hasnt even been a full season...another good draft and good FA period can turn this around

Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

So I maybe bias ... and I do respect his opinion - but, there were times that even when Jones would hold the ball for what seemed like 10 seconds and then make a completion ... he still have just thrown the ball away.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

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Shepherd was out. Engram had a couple of key drops.

Thinks the coaching sucks. He hasn't come out directly and said it, but you can read between the lines. The Monday morning after Vikes game with Roberts & Bro comes to mind.

In comment 14637009 BleedBlue said:

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they need a WR. unfortunately we just dumped a star WR because we had to. they will need to replace him and i expect them to add one this offseason via draft. you guys need to be patient. we went from trying to win to going for a rebuild and it hasnt even been a full season...another good draft and good FA period can turn this around

Tate is doing a more than better impersonation of OBJ of the last two years.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

No growth can be squarely placed on coaching. I'm sure Shemur is fucking up DJs development, he was brought here by Mara/Tisch to get Eli to throw 70% after all.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

Valid points. I suspect he is pressing to make a play.

garrett? gruden before he was canned? it's a short list.

In comment 14637033 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Thinks the coaching sucks. He hasn't come out directly and said it, but you can read between the lines. The Monday morning after Vikes game with Roberts & Bro comes to mind.

This, and if its apparent to him and pretty much anyone that watches football you gotta think DG knows too. Today was a giant game for him and he failed miserably. The coaching on this team is atrocious. We have talent some decent young talent but PS can't put it together.

He has no idea how to use a dynamic back like Barkley who can do it all. Honestly he should never be pass blocking, slip him out and make him the safety valve. For 99 percent of backs this wouldn't be smart because they probably get tackled behind line of scrimmage. With Barkley it sets up a 1 on 1 he just has to break for a big gain.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

Spot on Robbie and he came close too another Two picks .
Strip sacks happen to the best of QB's but under Shumur its trending I hope they make a change at the end of the
season this is a three win team right now and I don't
think we should be .

In comment 14637068 Lines of Scrimmage said:

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In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse. Valid points. I suspect he is pressing to make a play.

He absolutely is but he needs to understand that throwing the ball away or something similar is not necessarily a loss. You get 4 downs for a reason and multiple possessions. Think of the NFC Championship game with Eli against the Niners. That was one of Eli's best games not because he won the game but because he didn't lose the game under insane duress. He was smart with the football all game until we were able to pull the game out. What is the old saying? More games are lost in the NFL than won?

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In comment 14637033 SFGFNCGiantsFan said: Quote: Thinks the coaching sucks. He hasn't come out directly and said it, but you can read between the lines. The Monday morning after Vikes game with Roberts & Bro comes to mind. This, and if its apparent to him and pretty much anyone that watches football you gotta think DG knows too. Today was a giant game for him and he failed miserably. The coaching on this team is atrocious. We have talent some decent young talent but PS can't put it together. He has no idea how to use a dynamic back like Barkley who can do it all. Honestly he should never be pass blocking, slip him out and make him the safety valve. For 99 percent of backs this wouldn't be smart because they probably get tackled behind line of scrimmage. With Barkley it sets up a 1 on 1 he just has to break for a big gain.

I take out all HB pass blocking plays in my Madden playbook.

Having SB block is like sending Dexter Lawrence into coverage.

"They have to go home, look at themselves in the mirror..." lol

And we lack good coaching. We have a rookie qb. We suck.

As usual though, the team comes out and has to desperately adjust after an another awful first quarter. To me that�s indicative of poor coaching. Who the fuck knows just another shitty weather shitty performance from nyg. I can�t take these games anymore.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

I haven't seen Kyler Murray play outside of game 1 and today, but I'd rather Jones fuck up by trying to do too much than do what Murray did today. I think he attempted 2 passes beyond 5 yards (slight exaggeration) and connected on 0. I was utterly underwhelmed. If I were an impartial observer I'd be more impressed by the rookie that tried but failed than the one that didn't try at all. Maybe that's the play calling.

killing the DC in a very polite way a few weeks ago. He knows what's going on.

Charles Davis who criticizes coaches about as often as Paul Dottino said "too easy" when he was watching the Giants defense.

Today Greg Olsen who didn't want to say a bad word about anyone since he's a still a current player said the Giants defense plays "too soft".

Everyone knows and we haven't even gotten to the offense with the hands of god RB and the #6 pick this year and the FAs etc. who are softer than the defense.

Giants fans are in serious trouble. The owners are way too involved with the on field product and that's never going to change. The GM is way past his expiration date. The HC is on his way to a 4 NFL season run of less than 30% winning percentage.

There is no change or hope in sight.

At least we have Washington. It's going to be difficult to finish worse than them.

I was watching the Saints game and they were commenting on his excellent decision making. There were times when the rush was on him quickly and he wasted no time getting the ball away and living to fight another day.

I always thought Eli�s biggest plus and biggest minus was that he never seemed to give up on a play. II think Jones needs to start learning when the play is not there and just getting the ball out, or even getting to the ground with both hands on the ball. Too many times he is getting slammed and the ball is coming out.

In comment 14637033 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Thinks the coaching sucks. He hasn't come out directly and said it, but you can read between the lines. The Monday morning after Vikes game with Roberts & Bro comes to mind.

I agree with this. I listened to a couple games on the radio and he has said this about our Defense repeatedly.

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In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said: Quote: Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse. I haven't seen Kyler Murray play outside of game 1 and today, but I'd rather Jones fuck up by trying to do too much than do what Murray did today. I think he attempted 2 passes beyond 5 yards (slight exaggeration) and connected on 0. I was utterly underwhelmed. If I were an impartial observer I'd be more impressed by the rookie that tried but failed than the one that didn't try at all. Maybe that's the play calling.

I guess you missed my point. I said I can live with plays like the first interception. I am talking more about the mental part of the game. He is not making smart decisions.

In comment 14637011 robbieballs2003 said:

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Jones is holding the ball too long and on plays where he can get rid of it. Don't misconstrue what I am saying. The OL has not been good. However, this is becoming a trend with Jones. He wants to make a play every play. The problem with that is more often than not those types of plays lead to something negative. Taking sacks in the red zone. Throwing unforced interceptions. Taking an unnecessary hit and sometimes leading to a fumble. I can live with certain plays like his first interception but the negative plays are becoming way too frequent and a handful of times it is solely his fault. Not all the time obviously but some of the times. I don't see the growth because it seems to be getting worse.

This is exactly what Olsen said during the game. The good thing is that is a fixable problem. NOw if it doesn�t get better sooner than later it�s a big issue.

Team misses Shepard a lot too

have a man problem, not a scheme problem. The players were not holding up on the edge and getting beaten by the players on the Cardinals."

That said, he has been critical of Betcher in the past, specifically the first 3 games this season.

He didn't see a couple of wide open guys especially early in the game.

In comment 14637033 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:

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Thinks the coaching sucks. He hasn't come out directly and said it, but you can read between the lines. The Monday morning after Vikes game with Roberts & Bro comes to mind.

I don�t think Carl would do that to Shurmur. I think they were college teammates.

with the exception of Tate, no other receiver had gloves on in a downpour.

and Murray was sacked two times. If the results were closer to 4 and 4, there would probably have been fewer fumbles, we win this thing pretty easily, and the whining about Jones magically disappears.

In comment 14637420 Tom in NY said:

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have a man problem, not a scheme problem. The players were not holding up on the edge and getting beaten by the players on the Cardinals." That said, he has been critical of Betcher in the past, specifically the first 3 games this season.

On Benigo and roberts after week 2 he said it was a scheme problem.

They don't have an identity. This is not a pass rushing team, it's not a speed team it's not a power rushing team nor deep threats....they don't have anything to fall back on.

I was hoping to rise to mediocrity and be a team on the upswing, but after today I see zero improvement over the last several years....draft position is what we have to look forward to.

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garrett? gruden before he was canned? it's a short list.

It is a short list, and I don't think Gruden belongs on it.

Kitchens?

Far too often which is resulting in 3rd down conversions. I have a feeling the reason why we are playing zone is because the guys up front are not stopping the run.

When you play man to man, the DBs often have their backs to the line of scrimmage and cannot support the run as easily.

Still even with playing zone, ours is far too soft

They miss Beckham. Engram still has drop issues and injury issues. Slayton is promising. Shepard has missed a lot of games. And the rest are expendible. Tate is a good veteran presence but he doesn't scare anyone

edge rusher. The hope that Carter was going to turn into one does not seem to be materializing.

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Far too often which is resulting in 3rd down conversions. I have a feeling the reason why we are playing zone is because the guys up front are not stopping the run. When you play man to man, the DBs often have their backs to the line of scrimmage and cannot support the run as easily. Still even with playing zone, ours is far too soft

The Cards kept getting first downs by running routes unimpeded to the first down marker (regardless of distance) and turning around with a Giants defender way too far off to close in time. The shit was getting ridiculous. On a 4th down play, the Cards ran a bunch formation and two of the Giants defenders went with the same receiver and Mayo just let the TE go on the shallow cross until it was too late. Easy first down.

IDK what the hell is going on.

I just think that it's important to note that we lost this game by a mere 6 points, with both of our lines losing the war like Duchy of Grand Fenwick vs. the US. The key plays in the scores against us were runs that were just so easy. Jones never had that luxury, nor did his receivers excel--nor could they have.

I also think we win if Jones stays upright a bit more. The dominance of our OL by their DL late in the game was pathetic.

Maybe someone like Josh Allen? If Gettleman drafted Darnold instead of a RB the Giants would be in much better shape.

I still can't believe the Giant sued the 2nd pick in the draft on a RB.
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