When I look at this roster I’m asking, are we underperforming?
This team has a DL With edge guys that are playing 30-50 snaps a game that wouldn’t even play 10 snaps on a top 15 defense. Bettchers entire scheme is predicated I’m getting pressure upfront and being able to play zone and force turnovers on the backend. He has no edge or olb that can rush besides an occasional Golden effort play. Besides that there is no rush.
The nfl is all about matchups
Some offenses are good against specific schemes
And
Some schemes require specific and impact players at certain positions
For instance: bettchers backend zone in the secondary is completely dependent on getting pressure up front. Bettcher doesn’t have the players to play zone, that’s why we are giving up these insanely long drives with tons of 3rd down conversions.
Bettcher and shurmur can only play the guys they are given. I think the failure of the offensive line (solder has been a huge bust and is a bottom third OT) is square on the shoulder of Gettleman. How can DG draft a nose tackle When he hired a coach that needs edge rushers to succeed
And it gets worse
Dg drafted a cornerback that primarily played man coverage in college, when he knew bettcher was going to primarily play zone Bc that’s his scheme
We picked the top man coverage cb and made him play zone as a rookie. Instead of picking the top zone coverage cb. This is a Gettleman issue Not bettcher or shurmur
I can't fathom any Giants fan defending this coaching staff, outside of McGaughey, at this point.
So sick of this shit.
You need to adjust what you do to match the guys you have on your roster. The coaches who do that well are competing for the playoffs every year. the coaches who don't...
It should be obvious.
IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS.
One thing I hate with coaches is being married to a scheme. The question should be is he getting the most out of the available talent? Is he adjusting scheme to fit personnel?
For the record, I believe Bettcher was the one who was pounding the table for Baker and don't be surprised if Lawrence makes a few pro bowls.
Shurmur is fucking awful with game management, just like he was in Cleveland, and is a total fucking weenie. The media is going to make this ugly, at least his press conferences should be interesting, this isn't Minnesotta you weenie, the media will make this guy with a awful career WL look bad. His record will constantly get brought up.
One thing I hate with coaches is being married to a scheme. The question should be is he getting the most out of the available talent? Is he adjusting scheme to fit personnel?
For the record, I believe Bettcher was the one who was pounding the table for Baker and don't be surprised if Lawrence makes a few pro bowls.
I agree
Bettcher had an amazing defense when he had great players
And I do remember the rumor that bettcher liked baker pick. But I cannot reconcile th fact that we took the top man cover corner and asked him to play 80% zone as a rookie
Does that make sense ???
And hopefully DG realizes his mistake and fires him, like he does his players. I have faith in him, but there is no way you can bring him back and still have me on board, no way.
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had a pretty stacked defense in Arizona.
One thing I hate with coaches is being married to a scheme. The question should be is he getting the most out of the available talent? Is he adjusting scheme to fit personnel?
For the record, I believe Bettcher was the one who was pounding the table for Baker and don't be surprised if Lawrence makes a few pro bowls.
I agree
Bettcher had an amazing defense when he had great players
And I do remember the rumor that bettcher liked baker pick. But I cannot reconcile th fact that we took the top man cover corner and asked him to play 80% zone as a rookie
Does that make sense ???
No it does not make sense. What does that say about Bettcher then!?
Baker getting better but still subpar
Peppers is awful at safety
Tree is mediocre
Danny Jones looking less and less like the answer
Baker getting better but still subpar
Peppers is awful at safety
Tree is mediocre
Danny Jones looking less and less like the answer
Lsuletta is gone
Love looks like a bust
Lawrence, Coonnrlly and Slayton look like good picks but really both drafts are questionable right now
I have seen this before on the site. What has PS done to deserve that opportunity?
The problem is Gettleman is responsible for both the players and the coaches.
Not sure why anyone is surprised. An org in desperate need of an overhaul brings back an old exec, retains their scouts, hires a retread coach with a failed record and hangs on to their franchise QB for too long. The better question is why did people think things would improve?
Steve Tisch
Chris Mara
Dave Gettleman
Kevin Abrams
Pat Shurmur
Ernie Accorsi (on retainer)
7 people that have had a hand in critical, franchise shaping decisions. We're bringing a bureaucracy filled with different agendas to an arena where resources and opportunities for improvement are extremely limited.
The problem is the structure.
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Gettleman hasn't done a good job, but Shurmur has what? A .250 winning percentage? He's a career loser as a HC. He's the modern-day Norv Turner.
The problem is Gettleman is responsible for both the players and the coaches.
Not sure why anyone is surprised. An org in desperate need of an overhaul brings back an old exec, retains their scouts, hires a retread coach with a failed record and hangs on to their franchise QB for too long. The better question is why did people think things would improve?
Nailed it
It’s getting to that point. Which is sad.
The coaching staff sucks. There’s no reason why the Giants should’ve lost today.
The coaching staff sucks. There’s no reason why the Giants should’ve lost today.
Totally agree. This team was badly outcoached, and my head still hurts as to why we're still married to a defensive scheme we don't have the personnel for.
And with the exception of a handful of players, all of them - players and coaches alike - are Gettleman's Boys. One Giant Shitshow.
What's obvious is starting a rookie QB two games into his career behind a so so O-line isn't very bright. Now we all have to hope it pays dividends for the future as it did when Eli was so lousy out of the gate. As Jones has been for the majority of his P/T.
Solder was a mistake. I wasn't a believer at the time and while he's better than flowers and any other OT we have sadly that's not much of an endorsement. That said if the center Shurmur insists on playing was even functional the group would be faring much better overall.
Now it's all about the future so the coaching staff better get their heads out of their collective ass and get the young guys in so they can be ready to contribute next year.