The Giants oline was pretty decent the back half of last year. I thought it was just a matter of continuity for this group, but as highlighted in the broadcast they have played 7 games together now.
I get Zeitler is maybe banged up, but yikes Solder and Hernandez look worse, Halapio looks as bad if not worse than Pulley, and Remmers while no Wheeler looks very pedestrian.
The Giants could at least run the ball the 2nd half of last year. What's happened?
Halapio looks outclassed. He's a strong guy, but he's frequently on the other side of a big gaffe. Same thing with Solder.
After next year don't be surprised if its Hernandez and four new starters. Hopefully they can get two more years out of Zeitler.
The tackles are expensive and suck
One of the expensive tackles was restructured making it even harder to cut his sucking self
No one was under the allusion the line would be a great. It's damn concerning how much worse they are.
This is the area I'm the most concerned with Gettleman over.
Sure but the Giants were running the ball really well the last 8 games of last year.
With arguably the best RB in the league, that would be helpful to have this year.
I doubt he considers this a finished job
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“All hail gettleman” people today? He chose this entire oline and it’s an absolute embarrassment
I doubt he considers this a finished job
Replacing 4/5th of the offensive line in 2 years isn’t a finished job?
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Made the oline seem better stat wise last year. Jones holds on to the ball too long, always looking for the big downfield play. Pick your poison, high risk/reward turn over prone play with Jones. Or low risk check down Eli play with guaranteed 3 n out. At least with Jones he has rookie excuse and might learn something from it (or not, who knows).
Sure but the Giants were running the ball really well the last 8 games of last year.
With arguably the best RB in the league, that would be helpful to have this year.
Not helping our QB are the drops (OK lousy weather), lack of separation by the current WRs and if Papa is to be believed wrong routes by Latimer.
SB was only @ 75% Saquan today. Not only running, but without knowing the protection scheme it looked like he wiffed at least twice on pass protection that resulted in sacks.
And then restructured him making him impossible to cut
Held out at right tackle for remmers who is awful.
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In comment 14637299 hitdog42 said:
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“All hail gettleman” people today? He chose this entire oline and it’s an absolute embarrassment
I doubt he considers this a finished job
Replacing 4/5th of the offensive line in 2 years isn’t a finished job?
Are you implying that Remmers is part of the finished product? Solder was always a stopgap to get Flowers out of the LT spot while providing stability to an OL in transition. Flowers is so terrible that he was cut and while Wheeler gave great effort, he also was terrible. Remmers was given the RT position even though he wasn't healthy enough to wear shorts and t-shirt in non-contact drills 2 months before the season started. Pulley should never have been retained after getting tossed around last year. Halapio is a JAG. We have 2/5th of the OL in Zeitler/Hernandez.
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In comment 14637299 hitdog42 said:
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“All hail gettleman” people today? He chose this entire oline and it’s an absolute embarrassment
I doubt he considers this a finished job
Replacing 4/5th of the offensive line in 2 years isn’t a finished job?
Absolutely not, he's using elmer's glue to fill the in the gaps where he can.
Remmers is a stopgap. A very bad one.
Halapio - who knows? they might have seen him as an ok guy who would be hidden by having the rest of the line be solid. Or he might just be a stopgap.
It sucks that Hernandez is the only acquisition that looks worth acquiring. Zeitler is playing through a bad shoulder that likely affects ability to pump iron/maintain muscle, as well as directly affecting play. I guess you've got to give him a pass, but 3 positions need major upgrading.
one of the acquisitions that was supposed to be more than a stopgap didn't even make it through season one.
Overall, a bad, bad job of building a line.
It's not like this regime, or the last, didn't devote assets to the line. They both just seem to really suck at it.
The tackles and centers are his
And they all stink
Enough excuses
Well someone did just that for this dud.
Hernandez is a draft pick, and doing ok.
Remmers was ALWAYS a stop gap. We had no money.
Zeitler is injured. Not Gettleman's fault.
Why people are riding Gettleman for anything other than his FA track record is beyond me. I've seen people say he should've drafted Darnold. Really? Since when has he proven to be better than Jones? He's not.
I do worry to death about DG in free agency next summer. If he does it well, we'll be okay. IF.
Bettcher's defensive scheme was never a match for our personnel, and still isn't.
Shurmur is over his head as a head coach. That 4th and 15 decision was mind numbingly stupid.
I won't argue Gettleman's intent, but if he were indeed a stopgap intended to solidify, it's been a massive fuck up.
Stopgaps don't typically draw 4 year 62M dollar contracts. They also aren't typically the contracts you convert salary to bonus on and make it more difficult to exit later.
As far as stabilizing, well, I'll leave that one alone.
The notion Gettleman has just bubble gummed a line together is absurd.
The Giants have the 2nd highest paid left tackle in the league, the 8th highest paid guard, and a top a 35 pick. Remmers makes 2.5M.
The only genuine low asset player on the line is Halapio.
Eli May be well past his prime but he def still knows how to play to keep the shitshow to a minimum
Maybe they can spend a top 3 pick on another RB next year.
I'll respond to you but it also is directed at Christian. Yes, Nate was intended to be a stopgap. You quote the size of his entire contract, but it was originally structured to be a 2 year contract with an out in 2020. That by very definition is a stopgap. That isn't a long-term commitment. Not all stopgaps are cheap players. Let's not be revisionist to the fact that Nate was the 2nd best FA OL available. When you suck at drafting OL like Reese, then you are forced to shop hungry.
Making him the highest paid LT at the time is just a function of supply/demand and the FA market itself.
I continue to fall back on our coaches suck
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On a stop gap. Lol
I'll respond to you but it also is directed at Christian. Yes, Nate was intended to be a stopgap. You quote the size of his entire contract, but it was originally structured to be a 2 year contract with an out in 2020. That by very definition is a stopgap. That isn't a long-term commitment. Not all stopgaps are cheap players. Let's not be revisionist to the fact that Nate was the 2nd best FA OL available. When you suck at drafting OL like Reese, then you are forced to shop hungry.
Making him the highest paid LT at the time is just a function of supply/demand and the FA market itself.
This argument has been made repeatedly and it just doesn't add up.
Before the restructure Solder's contract would have came with 11.5M in dead money after year 2, that's hardly an "out." It was going to be a painful contract to exit after 2 years no matter what.
And the notion Gettleman "had" to shop hungry because Reese was bad at building a line is silly. The proof? Gettleman did it and the line is equally dreadful.
Gettleman overpaid for Solder, Solder isn't a good player, and the Giants line sucks.
You forgot the part where it's Reese's fault too. The ghost of Reese sneaks in and makes Gettleman do it.
It makes you question the coaching, doesn't it?
Especially when you look at linemen who have left our club.
I continue to fall back on our coaches suck
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On a stop gap. Lol
I'll respond to you but it also is directed at Christian. Yes, Nate was intended to be a stopgap. You quote the size of his entire contract, but it was originally structured to be a 2 year contract with an out in 2020. That by very definition is a stopgap. That isn't a long-term commitment. Not all stopgaps are cheap players. Let's not be revisionist to the fact that Nate was the 2nd best FA OL available. When you suck at drafting OL like Reese, then you are forced to shop hungry.
Making him the highest paid LT at the time is just a function of supply/demand and the FA market itself.
This is a crock of shit.
Making him the highest paid lineman was an example of what not to do for this team...
He's under duress every f**cking play and Barkley is STILL getting hit in the backfield FAR too often. This OL still sucks. Slightly less suck but still SUCK.
Hernandez is a draft pick, and doing ok.
Remmers was ALWAYS a stop gap. We had no money.
Zeitler is injured. Not Gettleman's fault.
Why people are riding Gettleman for anything other than his FA track record is beyond me. I've seen people say he should've drafted Darnold. Really? Since when has he proven to be better than Jones? He's not.
I do worry to death about DG in free agency next summer. If he does it well, we'll be okay. IF.
Bettcher's defensive scheme was never a match for our personnel, and still isn't.
Shurmur is over his head as a head coach. That 4th and 15 decision was mind numbingly stupid.
Hang on a second - you make it sound as if Gettleman somehow inherited these coaches.
He hired Shurmur - remember, how he praised him for being an adult?
He also had to sign off on Bettcher. The point about not having the personnel for his scheme - do you think Bettcher came in and won an arm wrestle with Gettleman and forced hi m to go along with a 3-4? Why do you skip past the fact that the GM and his staff had to be onboard with Bettcher's plans?
If the scheme and the personnel don't fit - Gettleman's to blame.
picking Solder at all is the bad part.
It wouldn't have been ok to have him playing if he were cheaper. Remmers is a bargain at 2+ mil. Like Solder, his play is unacceptable.
Sure, spending that kind of money on any player limits you in other areas, but the important part is to get production, even if it's not good value, from the player.
I wouldn't fault anyone on this team asking for a contract like Solder's when it's time for them to negotiate - that's the table that has been set by the GM by making this bad deal, and then doubling down on it this year by restructuring the guaranteed money.
While not ideal Solder and Remmers are an improvement on Flowers/Wheeler.
I said this as far back as the Tampa game. The o-line has been getting worse each week. A compromised Zeitler and Remmers are barely any better than the scrubs we used to have. Nate Solder is the most overpaid player in the sport. He's struggling to block the ancient Terrell Suggs on running plays. How many holding plays did this bunch get?
I took a look at the players from 2017 vs 2018 and said that I thought that the 2018 version was likely to be significantly worse thant 2017.
Fast forward to June 2019 and folks were saying that the trade for Zietler, signing Remmers and getting Halapio back would mean that he line was fixed.
I said at that time that folks were getting out over their skis.
Solder was no great shakes last year, and now he is another year over 30.
Remmers is over 30 and has injury problems, and was never anything more than a mediocre stater
Halapio plain old stinks.
And Halapio, Zietler and Remmers had never played together before and have 0 chemistry. And Hernandez and Halapio only played 1 2/3 games together entering the season.
And it was clear that god forbid one of the starting guards or tackles went down, we had no depth.
So no, this line was "better" on paper, heavy emphasis on the quotes, but it remained to see how it shaped up.
So now here we are, the line has no cohesiveness, Solder looks a year old, Remmers looks 1 year older than his previous pedestrian self, Halapio still sucks, and Zietler is playing injured because we don't have a viable backup.
The Line Is Not Fixed!!!
The needs are the same 2OTs and 1 C.
While getting Zietler from Vernon was good... Resigning Jamon Brown and using Vernon to bring in another piece might have been a better move.
News at 11.