This often happens. New QB comes out hot. Leagues catches up with them. Now it's up to Jones to see if he can adjust.
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1. Patrick Peterson tells me vs Daniel Jones, @AZCardinals
wanted to close middle of field, give him confusing looks & play coverage. “We saw he had trouble with that 2-shell against NE.”
2. PP clearly preferred to talk to @DeionSanders
(as he also did).
& #128514;
#AZvsNYG
He had two killer drops by Engram and Fowler too.
And he picked the middle of the field with Tate regular basis. Don’t get the comment
He makes some incredible throws in tight windows. Needs to improve ball security.
He had two killer drops by Engram and Fowler too.
And he picked the middle of the field with Tate regular basis. Don’t get the comment
He first INT was a huge fucking mistake by out rookie QB! He threw a ball where only two Cardinals could catch it, His receiver was totally blanketed. Really quite ugly.
One thing I am seeing is that when they can't run the ball the offense goes to crap.
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He made mistakes. He'll learn. But he made some great throws. He's the least of our problems.
He makes some incredible throws in tight windows. Needs to improve ball security.
Sean, agrees. He'll hopefully clean up on that. I still think he's the goods.
He has incredible accuracy. Yes, growing pains but I believe he will come out of them
2. Instantness on runs.
3. _Designed_ QB runs (more instant than broken play QB runs).
All 3 - things that help an OL have success!
Today looked like Macadoo Ball.
Note to Mara's. Fans are mostly.systrm agnostic, not on a high horse. High floor low ceiling with a running QB coupled with tough D is more fun to watch than "high ceiling lots of potential A list stuff, but it's not functioning right now, sorry "
One thing I am seeing is that when they can't run the ball the offense goes to crap.
Agree 100%
Seemed to me that the few times DJ had time to throw, he had some nice passes. He also made some good plays with his legs.
Our Giants have had crappy Olines since around 2011.
Teams that want to stop DJ merely need to attack the porous Oline over and over.
And the ball security is clearly becoming a significant issue. That needs to get addressed.
I still think he can be a very good NFL QB. But he has a lot of things to work on to get there.
So that makes it a bit easier to game plan for anyone. They also don’t use Barkley properly.
Add in the line sucking and jones needing to improve his awareness and pre snap reads - like most rookies. Well yeah it will be a shit show at times
But jones is still passing the eye test and getting the team up and down the field despite this. His turnovers are awful though
Agree. The int was bad, but all qbs have head-scratching throws. Through five games, I would say the most concerning thing is his pocket awareness. The 2nd fumble was bad and one we saw in the second preseason game. Other than that, he's got the tools and a lot to be excited about. He threw some dimes today in the bad weather and under constant duress
Does he hold on to the ball too long? Yes.
Does he force the ball into stupid situations? Yes
Those are all rookie and corectable.
Is he deadly accurate? Yes
Can he throw down field accurately? Yes
That is much harder to teach.
I am happy with him and I am generally pessimistic
Giants got smoked from a RB from football powerhouse Fordham. FORDHAM!!!
JFC, WTF kind of insane bull crap is this????? ShUrmer somehow forced Jones to throw that ball into obvious blanket coverage?
I am still positive on Jones. Give him some time.
You are insane if you thought Jones played fine
I don't care if Jones is a rookie or not, when you at home against this type of defense you have to light it up. Especially with Barkley and Engram back.
The season low point.
So that makes it a bit easier to game plan for anyone. They also don’t use Barkley properly.
Add in the line sucking and jones needing to improve his awareness and pre snap reads - like most rookies. Well yeah it will be a shit show at times
But jones is still passing the eye test and getting the team up and down the field despite this. His turnovers are awful though
This!
After today they cant fire him fast enough. IMO. He needs to give up the play calling at least. Both of them are part of the problems we see every week
I don't care if Jones is a rookie or not, when you at home against this type of defense you have to light it up. Especially with Barkley and Engram back.
The season low point.
I was at the game, nobody was lighting up anything in these conditions. Jones was fine and will be even better.
After today they cant fire him fast enough. IMO. He needs to give up the play calling at least. Both of them are part of the problems we see every week
Is it the play calling or the plays?
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He made mistakes. He'll learn. But he made some great throws. He's the least of our problems.
You are insane if you thought Jones played fine
Then I'm insane. I thought he made some great throws. He had bad moments obviously.
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was all on Shermur. If Arizona aren't dopes, they will copy what NE did well. The CB was already celebrating and raising his fist as soon as DJ8 threw the ball. Shermur fell for it again with his scripted wco playcall.
JFC, WTF kind of insane bull crap is this????? ShUrmer somehow forced Jones to throw that ball into obvious blanket coverage?
There is no open throw with spacing and curl routes against a Tampa 2, maybe something to the flats for a few yards. Clearly other teams are picking up on Shermer's predictable playcalling.
What?? He was terrible. That pick was god awful. The constant fumbles are brutal. He missed Barkley wide open on a key down when should have noticed the mismatch pre-snap. He may not be the future. He played one good game. One! The rest were bad.
None of what happens right now matters. The bigger issues are will he become a game manager or a stud, will he be the guy with two minutes on the clock, is he tough enough to take the beatings that will come over the next couple years, we can speculate but the answers will eventually be obvious. In the meantime, let's hope he has more good moments than bad.
[quote] On the dig route was awesome.
He has incredible accuracy. Yes, growing pains but I believe he will come out of them [/quote
No he doesn't! Stop spouting nonsense. He missed wide open receivers for TD's against the Vikings. His accuracy has been average at best.
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traveled east to play a 1pm EST game. They were giving up 28.5 PPG. 29th in the NFL.
I don't care if Jones is a rookie or not, when you at home against this type of defense you have to light it up. Especially with Barkley and Engram back.
The season low point.
I was at the game, nobody was lighting up anything in these conditions. Jones was fine and will be even better.
The weather was too difficult for us to block people?
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traveled east to play a 1pm EST game. They were giving up 28.5 PPG. 29th in the NFL.
I don't care if Jones is a rookie or not, when you at home against this type of defense you have to light it up. Especially with Barkley and Engram back.
The season low point.
I was at the game, nobody was lighting up anything in these conditions. Jones was fine and will be even better.
The weather was too difficult for us to block people?
bw...that's his point. DJ, while not great today, was getting battered, plus the bad weather, and a suspicious running game combined for the horrible results. DJ needs to play better, the Oline MUST play better, and frankly his receivers need to do a better job (looking at you Engram).
No he doesn’t, he’s fucking finished.
He was finished 3 seasons ago.
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traveled east to play a 1pm EST game. They were giving up 28.5 PPG. 29th in the NFL.
I don't care if Jones is a rookie or not, when you at home against this type of defense you have to light it up. Especially with Barkley and Engram back.
The season low point.
I was at the game, nobody was lighting up anything in these conditions. Jones was fine and will be even better.
The weather was too difficult for us to block people?
You said Jones should have lighted it up. Jones responsibility wasn’t to block people (except maybe on those dumb sweeps)
What does concern me about Jones is lack of awareness on the field. Unless he develops some awareness he’s gonna take big hits and turn the ball over too much to be successful. His first INT today was a real head scratcher, no idea how o explain that one.
It seems correctable but obviously they must address it. He needs to learn how to live to see another down.
I was at the game, nobody was lighting up anything in these conditions. Jones was fine and will be even better.
The weather was too difficult for us to block people?
You said Jones should have lighted it up. Jones responsibility wasn’t to block people (except maybe on those dumb sweeps)
You suggested the conditions were bad. I said the Cardinals D was bad. So the bad conditions should not have prevented us from taking advantage of D that allows 28.5 PPG. We weren't playing in a hurricane. Both teams combined for 31 points in the first half.
And I didn't mean to suggest Jones alone should have lit up the Cards. When I used the word "you" I meant the team.
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gives them a better chance to win
No he doesn’t, he’s fucking finished.
He was finished 3 seasons ago.
WHy then? Is this another jones jock strap holder to prove they were right about Eli all along? This team sucks with Eli sucks without Eli sucked 5 years ago; 4 years ago with or without Eli. Ho w many more game do they have to lose before that becomes obvious.
It better happen or we will be screwed for many years to come
The season low point.
So far.
The assumption that he'll correct them and improve, however, isn't guaranteed. That would imply that every rookie QB with correctable mistakes has fixed them successfully. If that were the case, there'd be much better play at the QB position.
Let's hope Jones can improve, because if not then the team is REALLY fucked.
Well he can start on that job any fucking time.
Don’t expect Shurmur to do anything about it. He knows what he knows which evidently isn’t much and that is about it.
Well he can start on that job any fucking time.
Please before he turns into David Carr.....
He's making rookie mistakes and not getting a lot of help. Sometimes he holds the ball too long. Sometimes he misses open receivers. He missed a few yesterday. But sometimes there's no one open and the offensive line is getting pushed back on his feet.The o-line is getting pushed back so much that when he tries to run, there aren't open lanes to do so like we saw with Kyler Murray yesterday.
On the list of issues with this team, Daniel Jones is at the bottom for me.
You can knock the end result, but we controlled Murray well. We kept him contained and tried to force him to throw the ball.
what we didn't do was stop those ridiculous stretch runs.
A novel idea - but even Saquon Barkley needs an offensive line that can open up a hole every now and then.
My biggest gripe with Shurmer thus far is that he really is under-using Barkley in the passing game. And he always has.
Now with a rookie QB and no OBJ, the way you stop the Giants is put 8 in the box to stop Barkley, and make the Rookie QB beat you. Fine. Granted.
Don't just keep running him up the gut. Yeah, he's still getting mostly positive yards, but he has less of a chance to create big plays. Half the time yesterday, Barkley was in pass protect (once he whiffed badly and Jones got leveled). So do something creative. Put Gallman in the backfield to protect, and spread Barkley out wide. Create a mismatch. Get him the ball in space.
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A novel idea - but even Saquon Barkley needs an offensive line that can open up a hole every now and then.
He's averaging 5.6 yards per carry. What more do you want?? He needs the ball more, not only as a runner but as a receiver as well.