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Draft order: the dregs

ray in arlington : 10/20/2019 9:56 pm
Here's the top 11:

1. CIN 0-7
2. MIA 0-6
3. WAS 1-6
4. ATL 1-6
5. NYJ 1-4
6. NYG 2-5
7. LAC 2-5
8. DEN 2-5
9. CLE 2-4
10. MIA (via PIT) 2-4
11. TB 2-4

The Giants 16 opponents (division opponents count twice) will have a record of 51-55 (.481) after the Sunday and Monday night games. That works well for getting NYG a tiebreak advantage for draft order, especially if the NFC East continues to do badly. Note that there are future games (such as tonight and tomorrow) that will pull the SOS towards .500.

Note that these exciting matchups should generate wins by the bottom teams:

CIN-MIA
CIN-NYJ
MIA-NYJ
MIA-NYJ
NYJ-WAS

And the Giants have 3 games against teams with fewer wins than them

NYG-MIA
NYG-WAS
NYG-NYJ

Note that NYJ have 4 games on this list.
Also that ATL is on their own - they aren't playing any of the 0 or 1 win teams.


It's a little soon for this.  
81_Great_Dane : 10/20/2019 10:01 pm : link
But as much as it pains me to say so, only a little.
Chase Young  
Nine-Tails : 10/20/2019 10:02 pm : link
The door is still cracked
RE: Chase Young  
ray in arlington : 10/20/2019 10:06 pm : link
In comment 14637755 Nine-Tails said:
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The door is still cracked


From DeMatha high school in Maryland right across the border from DC. Redskins would surely be interested...
RE: Chase Young  
Simms11 : 10/20/2019 10:07 pm : link
In comment 14637755 Nine-Tails said:
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The door is still cracked


Isn’t he a DE and does he play in a 3-4 or a 4-3?
3rd  
Breeze_94 : 10/20/2019 10:07 pm : link
year in a row we've resorted to talking about draft positioning before November.

I do think the Jets will go on a bit of a run with their upcoming schedule but those other 4 teams in front of the Giants really suck. Lets say the Giants get the 5th pick

Top 4 off the board- Tua, Herbert, Andrew Thomas, Chase Young

Best options left
- WR Jeudy, S Delpit, OT Wirfs, LB Simmons, WR Lamb, OT Austin Jackson

Right now, I'd lean towards Jeudy. The Giants WR's have not been able to create much seperation/YAC, and they aren't winning many routes down the field. But, this is assuming they can bring some impact FA's to help on the OL and front 7
RE: 3rd  
mphbullet36 : 10/20/2019 10:29 pm : link
In comment 14637769 Breeze_94 said:
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year in a row we've resorted to talking about draft positioning before November.

I do think the Jets will go on a bit of a run with their upcoming schedule but those other 4 teams in front of the Giants really suck. Lets say the Giants get the 5th pick

Top 4 off the board- Tua, Herbert, Andrew Thomas, Chase Young

Best options left
- WR Jeudy, S Delpit, OT Wirfs, LB Simmons, WR Lamb, OT Austin Jackson

Right now, I'd lean towards Jeudy. The Giants WR's have not been able to create much seperation/YAC, and they aren't winning many routes down the field. But, this is assuming they can bring some impact FA's to help on the OL and front 7


as much as we may want Jeudy...no way would they go WR with the 1st pick. They have way too many needs from LT/DE/MLB/Safety

WR is up there but Engram/Sheppard/Tate/Slayton can get the job done. Need to replace that bum Solder with a 10-15 LT immediately. Or get a game breaking edge rusher.
I don't think they go WR at #1  
Bluesbreaker : 10/21/2019 12:33 am : link
Plenty of good WR's coming out you take a stud
DL or LT and we still need another tackle .
I think we will pick around 5 so better make it good .
6 again?  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 5:59 am : link
Jeudy, Lamb, Thomas, Simmons, Gross-Matos, Epenesa, Delpit. Some who could be avail there.
Looks familiar,  
St. Jimmy : 10/21/2019 6:36 am : link
unfortunately.
Another season where we're talking about draft position  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/21/2019 6:43 am : link
before Halloween.

What a joke this franchise has become.
I don't know Jack Shoot about CFB this year because I am  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/21/2019 7:02 am : link
too busy to watch it. But I don't see how ANY team need (and I know you have to see who is available at our slot, rather than simply draft for need) even comes close to this team's need for an impact ILB.

More than anything else, FAR MORE than any other deficiency in talent, this team's ILBs SUCK. A bad team with an awful OL ran all over us yesterday, making the game flat out non-competitive!

3 TD runs > 20 yards by a no-name no talent RB who simply found holes my grandma could have run through, straight to the end zone. And my grandmothers are both long since passed away!

If we consider immediate, over reaching needs, an impact ILB and impact FS too top the list, and positions like WR aren't close to those two.

Just my two cents.

BTW - the fact that the team sucks in general, and is only a  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/21/2019 7:11 am : link
3-6 win team this year at best, doesn't concern me. What bothers me more is that DG and ownership didn't see this coming, and instead tried to coax a winning season out of Eli last year and even started again somewhat in that mold this year.

The team is now obviously in flat out rebuild, and better for that understanding. I don't expect a winning season now until 2021, and I am OK with that.

You pups crying about the prospective 17,18, 19 W/L records have no idea about the extended nadir this team endured that we old timers remember.

Build, build from the draft with guys that bring back memories of LT, Banks, Oates, Karl Nelson, Phil Simms, Bavaro.

Fuck drafting WRs high when good big men are available.
RE: BTW - the fact that the team sucks in general, and is only a  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2019 8:20 am : link
In comment 14638011 BlueLou'sBack said:
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3-6 win team this year at best, doesn't concern me. What bothers me more is that DG and ownership didn't see this coming, and instead tried to coax a winning season out of Eli last year and even started again somewhat in that mold this year.

The team is now obviously in flat out rebuild, and better for that understanding. I don't expect a winning season now until 2021, and I am OK with that.

You pups crying about the prospective 17,18, 19 W/L records have no idea about the extended nadir this team endured that we old timers remember.

Build, build from the draft with guys that bring back memories of LT, Banks, Oates, Karl Nelson, Phil Simms, Bavaro.

Fuck drafting WRs high when good big men are available.


Well I am not OK with that, this team needs to learn how to win and I am not seeing any improvement of note. When the O-line is a total shitshow and your defense is constantly out of position leading to EASY TDs, that is not improving. If I saw some level of competency from the coaching staff In adjusting in-game I could live with it. But there is zero improvement from week to week, how exactly is that rebuilding, it's just more of the same BS.
Other than QB and RB  
JonC : 10/21/2019 8:32 am : link
this team has needs everywhere. I'd be praying for an impact Edge ...
Delpit is a game changer  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/21/2019 8:47 am : link
and future star. I know the trenches are probably bigger needs and bbi poo poos a Wr, but Delpit would be a great pick IMO
RE: Delpit is a game changer  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 8:52 am : link
In comment 14638156 Ned In Atlanta said:
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and future star. I know the trenches are probably bigger needs and bbi poo poos a Wr, but Delpit would be a great pick IMO


Agree. He would be. Should be BPA other than QB and RB. And Jeudy would certainly be worth the #6 pick.
Wow  
lugnut : 10/21/2019 9:44 am : link
Had no idea Cincy was that bad.
Lol  
5BowlsSoon : 10/21/2019 10:27 am : link
Not even November and unfortunately we have to get excited about this.
The line prospects on both sides of the los  
JonC : 10/21/2019 12:15 pm : link
will hopefully be stronger than a S or WR.
and edge  
JonC : 10/21/2019 12:16 pm : link
.
RE: Wow  
Anakim : 10/21/2019 12:19 pm : link
In comment 14638282 lugnut said:
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Had no idea Cincy was that bad.


A complete dumpster fire. Luckily, they're probably going to take a QB like Tua, Fromm or Herbert, which will push a prospect down to us. I can't see them passing on a franchise QB for Ryan fucking Findley.
RE: Other than QB and RB  
section125 : 10/21/2019 12:21 pm : link
In comment 14638122 JonC said:
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this team has needs everywhere. I'd be praying for an impact Edge ...


Jon do you see that as more important than OTs? I realize nobody should draft for need and ER is a big need too, but watching Solder and Remmers flail and wave, I'd want to protect Jones first.

My guess as to importance:
OT
ER
ILB with speed
WR
Need to see what UFA delivers first  
JonC : 10/21/2019 12:24 pm : link
and while OT is a big need, they need to make a decision on Solder first.

My preference is Edge over OT, but if the latter is the better player in their view then it's a huge need too. But, I don't want that player to sit behind Solder. Layers of considerations.
For the record  
JonC : 10/21/2019 12:31 pm : link
going into a draft it's wise to understand your priorities, but got to be very careful about saying we need a left tackle in the first round.
RE: For the record  
Anakim : 10/21/2019 2:40 pm : link
In comment 14638853 JonC said:
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going into a draft it's wise to understand your priorities, but got to be very careful about saying we need a left tackle in the first round.


We don't need a left tackle in the first round...we need a freakin' left tackle. I wouldn't mind at all if we signed Castonzo from the Colts.
RE: For the record  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 2:44 pm : link
In comment 14638853 JonC said:
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going into a draft it's wise to understand your priorities, but got to be very careful about saying we need a left tackle in the first round.


Edge rusher, linebacker, safety, wide receiver, OT, C, probably CB. A lot of priorities.
RE: RE: For the record  
BlueLou'sBack : 10/22/2019 2:06 am : link
In comment 14639082 Anakim said:
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In comment 14638853 JonC said:


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going into a draft it's wise to understand your priorities, but got to be very careful about saying we need a left tackle in the first round.



We don't need a left tackle in the first round...we need a freakin' left tackle. I wouldn't mind at all if we signed Castonzo from the Colts.


Castonzo isn't very good. You would find him the "second coming" of Nate Solder, more or less, from what I have seen of him.
And people were severely critical  
.McL. : 10/22/2019 2:12 am : link
When I said I expected another top 10 pick this year...

I had zero doubt...
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