1. Paxton can show up when it counts. He showed us something with that 6 IP 1 R gem.
2. DJ is worth extending. MVP. 'nough said.
3. Tanaka is still the man in the post season.
4. Didi is clutch at times and disappears off the face of the earth at others. Do his glove and Yankee stadium swing make him worthwhile as a building block?
(My answer: I'm really ambivalent on Didi which makes me lean no off the bat. (Pardon the pun.) But great shortstops don't grow on trees. For him personally Yankee Stadium is a boon. He should consider a more team friendly deal to stay purely for numbers reasons. And the FO should value him more than others for the same reason. Ultimately, I think stay is a smart move for both sides.)
5. Which ace should we target in FA?
(My answer: Sevy, Tanaka, and Paxton is a fine front end of the rotation. But WAS and HOU both show the power of SP. Gerrit Cole is a coup de grace type move to make on the Stros. We could always use another ace especially one that denies the Stros that same asset. It's #ColeSZN. (Sorry Greg.))
6. Which bats/BP should we target in FA?
(My answer: none come to mind. I'd love to see Cash have more success dumpster diving in some ways, but another DJ would be awesome.)
7. I love Hicks. Just sayin'.
8. Which of the unlikely stars of 2019 is a guy to retain? Maybin? Tauchman? To me, Urshela is the obvious top choice. We needed a glove at 3rd. But with Miggy coming back...
Feel free to respond or add your own thoughts or reactions.
It's over. But it was a fun team to watch. They had a savage run and Gardy gave us some comic relief for the bad umping we endured.
Onward and upward to 2020. And until then, go Nats.
2) Houston has 1-more bonafide ace/playoff bulldog starter. Yankees had to go to the pen a few too many times and when they bullpen game cane, the Yankees were gassed and Houston’s guys were rested. And don’t get me wrong, I thought the Yankees pen still didn’t a great job. But they had nothing left.
Iconically it was the Yanks most rested, and best bullpen pitcher that gave up the winning hit. It happens. If the Yanks come thru in the first inning of Game 5, they might still be playing Game 7 right now...
As for next year, I’d get rid of EE, wouldn’t pursue Gardy and bring back Gio. We’re stuck with Stanton.
Gio’s glove is too good and he finally showed up and had an impactful game last night. I do love Andujars bat and hitting approach, so I’m curious as to what they do with him.
And while I wouldn’t rush to bring Gardy back, I’m also not thrilled about the idea of Frazier bring the front runner replacement.
Let Didi walk if price is too high
If chap opts out and wants too much let him walk
Move DJ to second extend him. Torres to SS
Edwin goes- welcome back miggy
Miggy and urshela fight it out for 3B
Need to find a lefty hitting 1B to platoon with voit
(NOT GREG BIRD)
But the next most important man is Chapman. Britton is too scary. He had good numbers this year but too many games become a roller coaster with him on the mound and if anybody feels comfortable with Britton's slider and Sanchez's glove in a tight game I would like to have what you are smoking.
As much as I like Didi he just isn't a top priority because of our other glaring needs a d doubt we can fit him in under the Yanks budget.
I love Gardner but his time has passed. Time to move on. Tauchman showed a lot this year. The Yanks have had plenty of success over the last couple of years finding backup OF.
Andujar needs to be a trade chip to improve the team. I am fine with Urshela at 3B because of his glove. Andujar can net us a better player in a trade.
We need more professional hitters that can adjust like LeMahieu that don't become black holes with trying to crush the ball. We need guys that are going to put the bat on the ball.
Why? They have wanted Cole for a long time.
They go to a 26 man roster next year, right?
I agree Didi will be allowed to explore FA as will Gardy. I think Cashman looks to stay young and inexpensive where they can. Encarnacion was brought in to wail away in the playoffs and failed. At $20 mill, he will not be picked up.
SP - Severino, Paxton, Tanaka and Montgomery. Deivi Garcia is close, and Happ. Expect Happ as 6th Starter and long relief as they phase him out. I do expect one more starter from somewhere.
Big question - Cole. Cole will take $30+ mill per and expect him to get 8-10 years. Do not forget the Astros may re-sign him. Chances of him being a Yankee, IMV, 10%. He has shunned them and I do not think Hal wants to spend that money.
So, expect Cash to look elsewhere and stay with Sevy and Paxton at the top.
BP - Chapman has an opt out which I think he will exercise.
Betances - if Chapman goes, unless the doctors think Dellin is breaking down, he will be re-signed. I think it will be one or the other or neither, but not both. I think having both is too much money in the BP. I think with Britton, Green and Ottavino they have choices for closer other than Chapman or Betances. They have great pieces for the rest of the pen: Holder, Heller, Cessa, Loaisiga, Lyons. FWIW, both Cessa and Loaisiga have Green type stuff or better and they need just a touch more control.
IF:
I too believe Didi will be allowed to sign elsewhere and they go with Torres and Estrada at SS. Urshela is no flash in the pan and stays. DJLM gets extended and plays 2nd. Voit is no joke. He works extremely hard, will be motivated after being off the ALCS roster. I expect the hernia to be resolved, and would not be surprised to see him leaner come spring. Andujar's bat is for real. I expect to see him at 3rd and 1st. Estrada can play and he can play almost anywhere well. He handles the bat too.
Out of ST - Urshela, Torres, Estrada, DJLM, Voit, Andujar.
Catcher:
Sanchez and Higgy. I think Romine will sign elsewhere and leave. His one big chance at starter and some money. Higgy is ok, but would not be surprised if the Yanks look for a backup.
OF:
Hicks, Judge and Tauchman. Tauchman is a younger version of Gardy with a stronger arm and more power. He is almost as good in the field, almost as good on the bases.
Stanton, hmmm. If Cashman could trade him to the Dodgers or Angels, he would. If he cannot be traded, he will return as LF and DH.
Maybin has a chance to be resigned.
Tyler Wade actually started to hit at the end of the year. If he isn't used for trade bait, do not sleep on him as he is the ultimate utility player. If he could bat .240/.250 he'd be kept.
Frazier will be gone for whatever they can get for him. He just does not fit and his fielding is atrocious.
So my speculation:
SP - Severino, Paxton, Tanaka, Montgomery, Happ, TBD (6)
BP - Britton, Ottavino, Green, Loaisiga, Cessa, Heller/Holder, (Betances/Chapman - one or the other)(7)
(13)
IF:
Urshela, Torres, Estrada, DJLM, Voit, Andujar (6)
OF:
Judge, Hicks, Tauchman, Stanton, Wade (5)
C:
Sanchez, Higashioka.(2)
Speculation - I expect that they will look for a backup catcher, and a starting pitcher that can be traded for because I think Cole will stay in Houston.
I expect Frazier to be traded for anything useful as Cash will look to restock the Minors. I think that Cashman likes where he is and if he can steal a SP will do so, but other than that, he waits until late ST or the trade deadline for a big starter.
Andujar needs to be a trade chip to improve the team. I am fine with Urshela at 3B because of his glove. Andujar can net us a better player in a trade.
Way too small of a sample size to just hand Urshela a starting position. I like him too, but the Yankees can't simply assume that a guy who never showed anything close to this in his previous 500 ML ABs will perform close to this level again.
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Andujar needs to be a trade chip to improve the team. I am fine with Urshela at 3B because of his glove. Andujar can net us a better player in a trade.
Way too small of a sample size to just hand Urshela a starting position. I like him too, but the Yankees can't simply assume that a guy who never showed anything close to this in his previous 500 ML ABs will perform close to this level again.
You seem to forget that Andujar is in the same boat sample size wise...and Urshela's glove has never been bad. Urshela's glove is real. He may not be a .300 ba/20 HR guy, but he is not far from it. I think what we saw of him this year is what he is.
You seem to forget that Andujar is in the same boat sample size wise...and Urshela's glove has never been bad. Urshela's glove is real. He may not be a .300 ba/20 HR guy, but he is not far from it. I think what we saw of him this year is what he is.
Not the same thing. Andujar's minor league numbers are superior to Urshela's at the same age. Andujar accomplished what he did as a rookie at the age of 23 with barely any previous ML exposure. Urshela was 4 years older with 500 uninspiring PAs in the majors. While anything is possible with these two players, I don't know if I want to guarantee Urshela a starting position based on a .349 BABIP he might never repeat. If he earns the job, great. But I'm not interested in handing it to him or getting rid of Andujar beforehand.
Our line up is good enough with out him at DH.
2nd and I will shout it to make my point even more clear and annoying..
SIGN GARRETT COLE TO A HUGE DEAL!!! I DON'T CARE HOW MUCH IT COSTS!!!
8 yrs 300 mil...fine. Player opt out after 4. That's around 37.5 mil a year. Great.
Let Gardner walk. I say go into next year with Judge Hicks,Stanton,Frazier and Maybin as our OFs.
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You seem to forget that Andujar is in the same boat sample size wise...and Urshela's glove has never been bad. Urshela's glove is real. He may not be a .300 ba/20 HR guy, but he is not far from it. I think what we saw of him this year is what he is.
Not the same thing. Andujar's minor league numbers are superior to Urshela's at the same age. Andujar accomplished what he did as a rookie at the age of 23 with barely any previous ML exposure. Urshela was 4 years older with 500 uninspiring PAs in the majors. While anything is possible with these two players, I don't know if I want to guarantee Urshela a starting position based on a .349 BABIP he might never repeat. If he earns the job, great. But I'm not interested in handing it to him or getting rid of Andujar beforehand.
Fair point on Andujar's MiLB record. But he will never touch Urshela's fielding, never. Also, Urshela had a flaw in his swing that the Yanks were able to correct. I do think that the Yanks need Andujar's bat but they also need Urshela's fielding which is stellar. As I said, I would not expect Urshela's offensive numbers to stay that high, but .280/.350 OBP/ 20 HRs is not unreasonable. He has a very good approach at the plate that is repeatable.
If Andujar can learn 1st base, it would be huge. IIRC, his problem was mainly throwing and he has limited range. He catches what he reaches, so 1st would be ideal for him.
Out of sight, out of mind. Yes, I forgot him and I do not know what he did(how violent) or how the league suspends him.
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Don't forget German. He could be #6
Out of sight, out of mind. Yes, I forgot him and I do not know what he did(how violent) or how the league suspends him.
Ohhh. I forgot about that.
Frazier has offensive talent, but where do you see him fitting. He seems to be the odd man out, even in the clubhouse...He has a bat with power and probably near .300 BA, speed and an arm but until his defense improves what can he play? He was a 3rd baseman. Maybe he can play 1st?
I am ambivalent on Didi, good guy, just offer him the qualifying offer of about 18 mill., that's all I would do. I just think he has flaws with his approach at the plate,and certain numbers like OBP, and OBP+ are never going to be high in his case. You know he rarely walks with his approach. I think they may have to bring Gardy back, because you can't trust that Hicks' elbow is going to hold up, it's possible that he needs TJS next season, just don't know about him? I guess Tauchman could play out there, but he is better as a corner outfielder.
I wouldn't be that excited about Higgy as the BUC, but
Romine might get a decent deal somewhere else where he can possibly share duties with another catcher.
Higgy strikes out too much for my blood, and doesn't have a very good arm behind the plate. We'll see what happens there. Maybin helped out, but they don't have room for him, unless they don't bring back Gardy?
I would let Chapman walk he if he opts out, or try to add a year to his current deal, before the opt out date. That's as far as I would go. If he opts out, sign Betances to a one year deal only. From what I read, he is not having surgery on his Achilles, so...
20 game suspension. I recall Steven Wright had that a few years ago with a similar situation, and German was already
'docked' for the postseason. There was another player, can't recall the name, who got about 15 games not long ago.
I think Addison Russell got 40 games last year.
Unless something shows up on a video, that would be my estimation I am thinking.
I would have him as one of my five starters, they could have used him in the postseason.
You really don't know what you are going to get from Monty?
Frazier has offensive talent, but where do you see him fitting. He seems to be the odd man out, even in the clubhouse...He has a bat with power and probably near .300 BA, speed and an arm but until his defense improves what can he play? He was a 3rd baseman. Maybe he can play 1st?
Considering the injury risks with Hicks, Judge, and Stanton, there would probably be a lot of available ABs during the course of a season. I would tell Clint to go to Venezuela (or wherever the heck they play winter league now) and play OF every damn day and try to get better. He was never Alex Gordon out there, but until he got hurt, the Yanks were never afraid to put him in LF. Then I would let him and Tauchman duke it out for LF. I'm not against trading Frazier, but I think he's too talented to simply dump because of "clubhouse issues" or whatever.
I would go get him, don't know how the Astros could pay
three starters over 30+ million dollars on one roster.
The only other starter I would consider is MadBum,
I just don't think he is the same guy that he was four
or five years ago. Don't want Wheeler or Ryu.
2. Bye bye, EE, thanks for the regular season help
3. Bye bye, Bird(ie)...no use bringing him in. Trade him or release him.
4. Trade Voit or accept that he'll never be a real difference maker. He's regressed to his mean and he is exactly what he is now, low ceiling, high floor.
5. Gio at third, Miggy at SS, Gleybor at second, and DJLM at 1st. Let Didi go unless he comes in at a steep discount. He's going to be 30, and his slumps are getting longer in duration.
6. Catcher must be addressed. I don't want to hear this crap about Sanchez being unexpendible any longer. He's a minus defender with a plus arm who hits at the Mendoza line with an occasional hot HR streak. I'm not sure he calls a good game, either.
7. Gardner deserves to come back in the role he was supposed to play this season. Judge, Hicks, and Tauchman deserve the outfield spots.
8. If it's true that German is an abusive person towards women, I don't want him back. Everyone deserves a second chance and to prove worthy of that, but let him do it elsewhere.
9. Keep building the staff. Happ is probably not going to get another shot. Mape, Sevy, and Tanaka (not that order) are a good top 3. Find another top three pitcher (preferably top 1).
10. The team lacks speed. It can't bunt. It mostly cannot beat the shift. I don't recall a hit and run all year. In the playoffs, they went station to station instead of first to third way too many times. I know it's all about launch angle and exit velocity these days, but imagine if this team, which had 22 at bats with the tying run on base or at the plate on Saturday, could have manufactured just one run late in game 2, 3 or game 6.
Just my humble opinions. Maybe the game has passed me by.
I don’t think there are any other free agents out there I’d want to sign. Didi, Gardner, EE should be let go, under the new budget constraint they are not the luxury we can afford.
With Cole on board, then we’d have to look within. Stick Andujar at 1B, let Frzazier DH and play Stanton in LF. I’d honestly explore trade for Voit and Tauchman, not much upside and without position, maybe we can get a Juan Then or Luis Gil type in return.
If Hal cheaps out, then we may have to trade Frazier, Andujar and others for a SP. Then we will need to plug holes in the lineup, maybe Didi will be brought back under that circumstance, but nothing more than 3/36M.
I guess we have to stick with Sanchez, but I just wish somebody would get to him and he can take that next step. Still way too many mental lapses.
Tauchman will be on the roster and will get playing time because Hicks will inevitably be injured again.
Stanton will be kept at DH, given his physical issues this year.
Mike Ford could give himself a shot at the 26th spot on the roster with a good spring, or he may have to wait for a Stanton injury. If Ford had gotten EE's at bats in the ALCS, Yanks might still be playing.
Lean towards Didi coming back but that may depend on his willingness to take a friendly deal.
Domingo German's biggest issue for his Yankee future is whether he has put himself on the GM's bad side. To be determined.
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get Cole. Not this current regime's MO.
They wanted him when he was cost controlled. Not sure they give him a 300 mil contract.
Why? They have wanted Cole for a long time.
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get Cole. Not this current regime's MO.
Why? They have wanted Cole for a long time.
Hal! He stated long ago that the Yankees don't need to be over the cap to win. Cashman saw a shiny toy in Stanton & his $$$ is now a huge albatross going forward in FA. Years ago,I'd have said signing Cole is a no-brainer. Today,I believe that them not signing Cole is a no-brainer(And I hope I'm wrong!)!
Cashman likes to bargain hunt, regardless of need, which is fine but not when it handcuffs your ability to fill deficiencies elsewhere. He also loves his pet projects and hangs onto them too long.
Before the fanboys get into a tizzy, let me say, let’s see what he does this offseason. He needs to deliver a ring or two with this core, there is still time.
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sorry but Cole needs to be given a blank check. He is a monster SP and has shown he can silence AL batters.
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I would go get him, don't know how the Astros could pay
three starters over 30+ million dollars on one roster.
The only other starter I would consider is MadBum,
I just don't think he is the same guy that he was four
or five years ago. Don't want Wheeler or Ryu.
If not Cole I would definitely good after Strasburg
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sorry but Cole needs to be given a blank check. He is a monster SP and has shown he can silence AL batters.
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I would go get him, don't know how the Astros could pay
three starters over 30+ million dollars on one roster.
The only other starter I would consider is MadBum,
I just don't think he is the same guy that he was four
or five years ago. Don't want Wheeler or Ryu.
If not Cole I would definitely good after Strasburg
I didn't know he was available, does he have an opt out?
Is TJS still needed/recommended? or just a wait-and-see?
If the docs think that TJS is a likely long-term outcome, I'd rather he just gets it done this week and begin the road to recovery.
One of the most forgotten aspects of this regular season, which we got a stark reminder of in the ALCS, is what a tremendous role he can play in the lineup with the way he grinds counts, gets on base, and can punish mistakes.
2. Bye bye, EE, thanks for the regular season help
3. Bye bye, Bird(ie)...no use bringing him in. Trade him or release him.
4. Trade Voit or accept that he'll never be a real difference maker. He's regressed to his mean and he is exactly what he is now, low ceiling, high floor.
5. Gio at third, Miggy at SS, Gleybor at second, and DJLM at 1st. Let Didi go unless he comes in at a steep discount. He's going to be 30, and his slumps are getting longer in duration.
No one is trading for Stanton. He has an opt out coming up.
Andujar at SS would be a disaster. He couldnt handle fielding 3B. Not going to happen but if you move him and dont sign Didi, Andujar to 1B, DJ to 2B, Gleybar to SS and Gio at 3B.
Just my humble opinions. Maybe the game has passed me by.
FWIW, I'll play devil's advocate with you.
1) Stanton, I agree if possible.
2) EE, Agree came for expressed purpose of PS bat. failed
3) Bird, Agree, never as good as expected and hurt all the time
4) Totally disagree on Voit. I expect his fielding will improve some more and he was playing hurt the last half and still had a .380 OBP.
5)Miggy at SS? Typo? No range, strong but decidedly inaccurate arm with slow release. He is 3B maybe, but 1B is his best place besides DH.
6) Sanchez, I actually agree. Over long periods except his rookie season he is bad at the plate. And while his defense has improved, he regressed under pressure in the ALCS. He has to change his batting approach. But no doubt will be starting catcher next season.
7) I think Gardy may be back but would not be surprised if allowed to seek a good deal elsewhere. Love him to death but utterly failed in ALCS.
8) German, I dislike abuse toward women. Did he have one outburst and what was it(physical or verbal? Chapman went berserk and has been ok since. If he has a pattern, good bye.
9) Agree on SP
10) While I agree with your overview of the ALCS, the Astros did marginally better, in fact they beat the Yanks with HRs, not ball placement and shift beaters. No doubt a couple of LeMahieu approach guys would be better but how many DJLMs are there out there?
I think the most interesting thing to watch this winter is if he adjusts his philosophy on what is valuable. We know what he has valued to this point and I think he's been wrong and has been proven wrong.
What was he wrong on? The majority of his moves are spot on. Yeah he missed a few, every GM does.
Is TJS still needed/recommended? or just a wait-and-see?
If the docs think that TJS is a likely long-term outcome, I'd rather he just gets it done this week and begin the road to recovery.
One of the most forgotten aspects of this regular season, which we got a stark reminder of in the ALCS, is what a tremendous role he can play in the lineup with the way he grinds counts, gets on base, and can punish mistakes.
From what I read, and heard during the games.
What I read was he went to get a second opinion out in
LA with a Dr. Neal ? The guy is a noted specialist
for athletes, with arm or rotator cuff, etc.
He might be a team doctor for the Angels or Dodgers
I thought I read. That guy tells him to take 4 weeks off from throwing, and at this time, doesn't recommend surgery....From what I heard on TV, from Joe Buck I think during a game, Hicks doesn't wait 4 weeks, starts throwing the ball around, and has a tear in his elbow.
He winds up eventually in Tampa. Then he somehow
winds up on the ALCS roster. With something like that,
there is no guarantee that the elbow won't worsen next season, when he is out there throwing every day.
It's really up in air, so to speak.
Or he could play, and it doesn't bother him,
like a Tanaka for example, with his UCL tear in his elbow.
He is still pitching 5 years later, which is surprising to me at least.
But we won't beat him come playoff time. He has a high K rate and we strike out way too often to beat him with any consistency.
Signing Cole is a double whammy as it takes away from Houston and gives us a true ace who has proven he can get out AL batters in the biggest of moments.
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what the deal is now with Hicks?
Is TJS still needed/recommended? or just a wait-and-see?
If the docs think that TJS is a likely long-term outcome, I'd rather he just gets it done this week and begin the road to recovery.
One of the most forgotten aspects of this regular season, which we got a stark reminder of in the ALCS, is what a tremendous role he can play in the lineup with the way he grinds counts, gets on base, and can punish mistakes.
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From what I read, and heard during the games.
What I read was he went to get a second opinion out in
LA with a Dr. Neal ? The guy is a noted specialist
for athletes, with arm or rotator cuff, etc.
He might be a team doctor for the Angels or Dodgers
I thought I read. That guy tells him to take 4 weeks off from throwing, and at this time, doesn't recommend surgery....From what I heard on TV, from Joe Buck I think during a game, Hicks doesn't wait 4 weeks, starts throwing the ball around, and has a tear in his elbow.
He winds up eventually in Tampa. Then he somehow
winds up on the ALCS roster. With something like that,
there is no guarantee that the elbow won't worsen next season, when he is out there throwing every day.
It's really up in air, so to speak.
Or he could play, and it doesn't bother him,
like a Tanaka for example, with his UCL tear in his elbow.
He is still pitching 5 years later, which is surprising to me at least.
Hicks did not do further damage to the elbow. Buck's story and Hicks', was after the inflammation did not go down beginning September, he was sent home after seeing the doctors. A couple weeks later a buddy comes by and they start tossing it around - no pain. He ramps up, no pain and sends a video to the trainers. Then he is sent to Tampa.
You maybe right on the tear, I do not remember that, but IIRC they said any further strain COULD cause a tear and that was why he was shutdown the 2nd time.
FWIW, I thought that was the timeline.
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what the deal is now with Hicks?
Is TJS still needed/recommended? or just a wait-and-see?
If the docs think that TJS is a likely long-term outcome, I'd rather he just gets it done this week and begin the road to recovery.
One of the most forgotten aspects of this regular season, which we got a stark reminder of in the ALCS, is what a tremendous role he can play in the lineup with the way he grinds counts, gets on base, and can punish mistakes.
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From what I read, and heard during the games.
What I read was he went to get a second opinion out in
LA with a Dr. Neal ? The guy is a noted specialist
for athletes, with arm or rotator cuff, etc.
He might be a team doctor for the Angels or Dodgers
I thought I read. That guy tells him to take 4 weeks off from throwing, and at this time, doesn't recommend surgery....From what I heard on TV, from Joe Buck I think during a game, Hicks doesn't wait 4 weeks, starts throwing the ball around, and has a tear in his elbow.
He winds up eventually in Tampa. Then he somehow
winds up on the ALCS roster. With something like that,
there is no guarantee that the elbow won't worsen next season, when he is out there throwing every day.
It's really up in air, so to speak.
Or he could play, and it doesn't bother him,
like a Tanaka for example, with his UCL tear in his elbow.
He is still pitching 5 years later, which is surprising to me at least.
Hicks did not do further damage to the elbow. Buck's story and Hicks', was after the inflammation did not go down beginning September, he was sent home after seeing the doctors. A couple weeks later a buddy comes by and they start tossing it around - no pain. He ramps up, no pain and sends a video to the trainers. Then he is sent to Tampa.
You maybe right on the tear, I do not remember that, but IIRC they said any further strain COULD cause a tear and that was why he was shutdown the 2nd time.
FWIW, I thought that was the timeline.
I distinctly heard Buck use the word tear a few times.
That part actually surprised me. So don't know where Buck got that from, Hicks? Steve Donahue? Cash? Don't know?
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I'd rather beat that piece of shit lying scumbag than have him on my team.
But we won't beat him come playoff time. He has a high K rate and we strike out way too often to beat him with any consistency.
Signing Cole is a double whammy as it takes away from Houston and gives us a true ace who has proven he can get out AL batters in the biggest of moments.
this and this...
I distinctly heard Buck use the word tear a few times.
That part actually surprised me. So don't know where Buck got that from, Hicks? Steve Donahue? Cash? Don't know?
Could be, as I am not certain. Can't say I focused in on Hicks since he had been shut down. But I believe it was that any more pressure on the ligament could/would cause a tear. I don't see anyway the Yanks let him play with a tear close to needing TJS. Tanaka's was minimal. You can build muscle around the ligament to strengthen it.
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I distinctly heard Buck use the word tear a few times.
That part actually surprised me. So don't know where Buck got that from, Hicks? Steve Donahue? Cash? Don't know?
Could be, as I am not certain. Can't say I focused in on Hicks since he had been shut down. But I believe it was that any more pressure on the ligament could/would cause a tear. I don't see anyway the Yanks let him play with a tear close to needing TJS. Tanaka's was minimal. You can build muscle around the ligament to strengthen it.
I am talking about moving forward with Hicks, that's how I presented to the other poster who asked.
What is could be? I heard it, not a could be,
geez. If somebody said they heard them, just take them at face value. It's also not that minimal in a pitchers' case, because most times, it's TJS.
It's been fortuitous for him so far.
LOL, the levity never ceases on BBI.
Yeah, ok, WTH that means. Maybe you can explain instead of throwing out generalities. If you disagree with Cashman's choices, that is fine, but at least say what he should do better.
Agree with those who say move on from Didi, Encarnacion, and Gardner. Move Gleybar to SS and DJ to 2B.
I'm a believer in Urshela, but would not part with Andujar. Andujar is a natural hitter. He can be the every day DH and also see time at 3B and maybe 1B/RF as well.
Domingo German and Frazier can top the list of trade bait and maybe Loaisiga too.
I think they need to grin and bear it with Stanton as the every day LF and part-time DH. Tauchman can be the 4th OF. Given Stanton's and Hicks's injury histories (Judge too kind of), he will see plenty of action.
At 1B, Voit is not ideal, but worth keeping around. His BA took a beating this year, but his OBP held up okay. I like Ford (and his lefty bat) as part of a platoon there. If they don't believe in Ford, they should trade him because his trade value may never be better than it is right now.
Don't sleep on Jordan Montgomery as the 5th starter. He could come back stronger than he left us.
the guys that didn't do that sucked... and were why we lost the series. that is Sanchez, EE, Stanton, Judge unfortunately.
if the players cant adapt in the postseason away from launch baseball... that is a problem.
They missed Betances a ton as well- first time it showed up massively
I think Chapman will opt out. So do they what and see what market is? If he goes, do they re-sign Betances? Or, do they sign both or let both walk(less likely)?
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It's over your head.
Yeah, ok, WTH that means. Maybe you can explain instead of throwing out generalities. If you disagree with Cashman's choices, that is fine, but at least say what he should do better.
Here is an example, be careful with long term deals.
Giving Ellsbury a long term deal, when you already have a player with a very similar skill set, not smart.
Taking on Stanton's contract, when you have a player with a similar skill set, not smart.
And finally, giving a 7 year deal to Hicks when he's been less than durable, obviously also not smart.
I recall Cash saying to Hicks after the deal,
'I am betting on you'...looks like he is losing that bet.
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It's over your head.
Yeah, ok, WTH that means. Maybe you can explain instead of throwing out generalities. If you disagree with Cashman's choices, that is fine, but at least say what he should do better.
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Here is an example, be careful with long term deals.
Giving Ellsbury a long term deal, when you already have a player with a very similar skill set, not smart.
Taking on Stanton's contract, when you have a player with a similar skill set, not smart.
And finally, giving a 7 year deal to Hicks when he's been less than durable, obviously also not smart.
I recall Cash saying to Hicks after the deal,
'I am betting on you'...looks like he is losing that bet.
Yes, cannot argue with Ellsbury when Gardner was better in every aspect except power. Everyone knew that was a clinker from the get go...
Stanton - I do not remember him hurt this much, but the salary thing was crazy, so yeah I can agree.
Hicks - meh, maybe, except he's less problematic and costly. I hold out hope with him. And he did look pretty good in the ALCS.
But I dislike anything over 5 years unless the player is under 25...
1 - let Didi walk barring an obscenely team-friendly deal.
2 - decline the option on Edwin.
3 - even if it requires paying down some of the $17M 2020 salary, trade Happ.
4 - extend Gleyber -- use the Acuna contract as a guideline, might need to pay a little bit more. Acuna is the better player but that contract was robbery.
5 - I'm not saying they shouldn't go hard for Cole, but I'm just not getting my hopes up. Other SP names that I am a fan of to build some more depth in the rotation -- Wheeler, Ryu, Keuchel. Not aces, just guys I like depending on price. Need to build reliable depth.
6. Some veteran bats that I'd be interested in on a 1-2 year deal if they want to play in NY -- Josh Donaldson, Jose Abreu, Justin Smoak, Brian Dozier. After some of the at-bats I've seen in the last couple of weeks, I've got a real hard on for a good approach at this point. Not saying i'd pay through the nose for these guys. Price/term have to be reasonable or better.
7. If they do move on from Didi and don't go after one of the sexier names rumored to be available in the trade market (Lindor, Story), Jose Iglesias is a guy I've always liked. Outstanding defender. Zero power, but puts the ball in play. Likely not expensive at all.
I think Chapman will opt out. So do they what and see what market is? If he goes, do they re-sign Betances? Or, do they sign both or let both walk(less likely)?
Considering that Chapman returned to the Yankees post-trade, which 99.9% of players would never do, I think he likes the Yankees a lot. I'm talking out of my ass a bit, but I think he opts out, but doesn't hold the Yankees over a barrel nor does he really have the leverage to. The market for closers isn't great. Kimbrel held out just to get less than what Chapman currently makes.
I think Chappy gets an extra year tacked onto the 2 he already has.
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I think Chapman will opt out. So do they what and see what market is? If he goes, do they re-sign Betances? Or, do they sign both or let both walk(less likely)?
Considering that Chapman returned to the Yankees post-trade, which 99.9% of players would never do, I think he likes the Yankees a lot. I'm talking out of my ass a bit, but I think he opts out, but doesn't hold the Yankees over a barrel nor does he really have the leverage to. The market for closers isn't great. Kimbrel held out just to get less than what Chapman currently makes.
I think Chappy gets an extra year tacked onto the 2 he already has.
shock - we are all talking out our asses....good point on Chappy. Despite the protestations of his slider use against Altuve, he is working to get past his sole use of the FB. And that slider is getting better and better. Remember that Otto gave up the HR to Springer on a cement mixer and that is his best pitch.
2 years $30M is fair value, IMO. I don't know how his agent could be confident that he gets much more after what we saw in the market last year.
I'd rather live with Britton/Kahnle/Ottavino and try to re-sign Betances than get over the skis on Chapman through age 35 at a big number.
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1. No matter the cost, move Stanton.
2. Bye bye, EE, thanks for the regular season help
3. Bye bye, Bird(ie)...no use bringing him in. Trade him or release him.
4. Trade Voit or accept that he'll never be a real difference maker. He's regressed to his mean and he is exactly what he is now, low ceiling, high floor.
5. Gio at third, Miggy at SS, Gleybor at second, and DJLM at 1st. Let Didi go unless he comes in at a steep discount. He's going to be 30, and his slumps are getting longer in duration.
No one is trading for Stanton. He has an opt out coming up.
Andujar at SS would be a disaster. He couldnt handle fielding 3B. Not going to happen but if you move him and dont sign Didi, Andujar to 1B, DJ to 2B, Gleybar to SS and Gio at 3B.
You're absolutely right about Miggy...I forgot he was bad at 3B. Your lineup looks much better, thanks.
I think Chapman will opt out. So do they what and see what market is? If he goes, do they re-sign Betances? Or, do they sign both or let both walk(less likely)?
Let them both walk.
They've been great and all that, but both are now on the wrong side of 30, and both rely on power pitching- a skill that declines as you pass the early-mid 30's.
I would let Didi walk as well. I think their best offensive and defensive middle INF has Gleybar at SS and DJ at 2B.
Make qualifying offers to Didi and Chapman. Didi MIGHT accept to try and rebuild value- but given that there are no other meaningful SS on the FA market, he might test his luck. Chapman most likely declines to get one last big payday.
I have been saying this for months now, but don't sleep on the Dodgers calling the Yanks about Stanton. They have OF and middle of the lineup issues. Stanton helps with both. He also is not excessively damaging to the luxury tax- he only counts for $22M after the $3M per from the Marlins is included- a bargain in today's game.
While Cole would be a great get, I don't think the Yanks are the favorites there- the West Coast teams might have a better shot. I think examining trades might be the best chance to find a top SP.
As a general matter, it will be interesting to see which way MLB goes with the baseball. Will they go back to the pre-2018 model or stick with the 2019 HR ball? If they bow to pressure and go back to the old model, I think that SP like Happ and Tanaka benefit from the change.
If MLB sticks with the new ball, it might be a better move to invest in power pitching.
If someone is taking Stanton off of NYY's hands, the return is probably closer to zero than it is to a player like Kershaw.
The primary consideration coming back is the payroll flexibility you regain. The no trade clause is a game changer -- if he's willing to waive for that team, that team knows they're pretty much the only game in town.
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And yes Stanton to LAD is a real possibility. After getting booed again, he may have had enough of the Bronx. I think even the LAA are a possibility. Can't say I would be disappointed if he were traded. Would the Dodgers consider Kershaw in a trade as salary dump? Not that I am a fan, but he isn't chopped liver.
If someone is taking Stanton off of NYY's hands, the return is probably closer to zero than it is to a player like Kershaw.
The primary consideration coming back is the payroll flexibility you regain. The no trade clause is a game changer -- if he's willing to waive for that team, that team knows they're pretty much the only game in town.
Ha, I can dream. You are likely right, but maybe they want Kershaw gone. Not sure what his money is, and I know Stanton is way more, but it does drop their payroll and I'd bet the Yanks eat some salary too.
I think the most interesting thing to watch this winter is if he adjusts his philosophy on what is valuable. We know what he has valued to this point and I think he's been wrong and has been proven wrong.
How are you determining what you think he doesn't find valuable vs its effect on the luxury tax? If the luxury tax is a non-negotiable, which by ever single report it is, then that is going to greatly effect what's deemed "valuable".
And similar to the Giants whiffing on their OL picks, the Yankees front end starting pitching is something they've tried continuously to upgrade many different ways and sometimes they have been complete failures.
a) Lots of headlines and quotes about in for Cole to drive the price up for others?
b) Lay low and lots of quotes about cost control and then swoop in at the last minute if all other cost control measures work:
- Judge and Torres and DJ signed to acceptable long term contracts
- Chapman and Betances to risk acceptable contracts
- Gardner either in or out at an acceptable number
- Didi at an acceptable number or a replacement
- EE paid $5M as a thank you
- Hicks situation clarified ( in fact this sets up the ask or not on Gardner)
- Add one more BP pitcher
- Inquire loosely at another SP
Total all that and project it out 8 years. Then consider Cole if it fits. Remember 8 years is exactly what we fans don't like about Stantons contract and Ellsbury's contract. Exactly.
So to me that's the decision tree sequence that sets up Job 1: Consider adding a SP at a price that fits
Job 2: Give Stanton and Judge and Sanchez clear clear off season objectives on their approaches and physical emphasis on flexibility. and weight when it comes to Sanchez
Step 3: Have solid back up plans for Hicks and SS and Sanchez and Betances and one other SP and one other BP arms
Depth got us to the playoffs ...this season. Those positions are where depth is most likely needed. SS, Catcher, CF, Sp and BP.
Do we have answers? Yes more than likely, but id over prepare at C and BP.
I am in favor of re signing Romine for either Gary or Romine have trade value if Sanchez hits and Higgy gets slightly better as an offensive player
Step 4: where there is a debate slant defense and depth at C, SS, CF
Step 5: Stay with the BP strategy. IF the BP was one man stronger we could have offset our hitting performance in one or two games
Step 6: Frazier: In one five minute observation with film clips, Kenny Singleton exposed Frazier as a hitter too easy for elite pitchers. His legs. He showed that he did not have a set of habits that led to solid steady platform for hitting. Too many different set points and moving parts such that so far his is fortunate that wrists and forearms rescue him against mistakes when he is hot. Prone to slumps due to a lack of a repeatable platform and prone to not catch elite pitches. At his age a limiting factor. Add defensive limitations. What imo, we are left with is a useful MLB player but not on an Astro beating playoff series player.
What do the Yankees have to trade with to get these goals accomplished?
IMo, one of the catchers, German and Frazier and at a lesser trade value, some minor leaguers.
Betances, Frazier, Gary, Chapman, Bird, Florial are all below market trade value until June of next year ( and even then some only if back up solutions are found)
What players can be bigger contributors if healthy next year? Fortunately the list is long:
Andujar, Sevy, Betances, Stanton, Judge, Gary, Voit, Hicks
If half of those get better in 2020, is that enough to overcome the Astros?
I don't think so, they need more flexible hitters and another SP and another BP. Interesting off season, especially because I don't think they spend on another big contract for a SP.
For a variety of reasons I don't think the Yankees are finished coming out of ST.
I think late in ST and up to the trade deadline is much more likely next year than this year to show the team we have for the playoffs next year
Didi and Gardner can likely walk if they find better money elsewhere (I see Gardner somehow staying). Same goes for Chapman. EE can go.
Voit/Ford at 1st/DH. DJ 2nd. Gleyber SS although he hasn't shown he deserves it with some of his recent fielding. Urshela/Andujar at 3rd with Andujar likely DHing some. Gary returns for better or worse. Tauch has to be on the roster in that outfield group. If there's an out for Stanton I would take it at this point, but I doubt it happens.
Then there's starting pitching. I'm all for throwing the money at Cole or whoever, but its like they are cursed. Any SP they bring in has problems. At least we have Tanaka, Paxton, and Sevy to build on. German should not return. We are already carrying Chapman and its just too bad of a look.
Thanks Greg - about what I thought. They hit homers, the Yanks did not.
Yanks line .214/.289/.383/.673
So the Yankees out hit the Astos - but the Astro hit the big homers.
Crooked numbers! I remember Tom Seaver saying something like - rarely do 1 run HRs beat a team and good pitchers give up HRs because they are around the plate.
Game 2 was huge. An inability to plate just one more run the rest of that game was the difference between going home up 2-0 and going home split with Cole looming
Astros certainly got plenty of fortunate bounces and breaks, too, I'll say that much.
Absolutely. Everyone claiming the Yanks were out pitched. Not so.
great point. Even just expected arbitration numbers for the eligible guys will have the yankees somewhere around/above the $208 first luxtax level.
and that's assuming:
No Gardner
No Didi
No Romine
No Betances
Decline option on Edwin
Not taking care of Judge or Torres long-term right now.
The way I see it, anyone with their heart set on Cole should be praying for a Chapman opt-out and that they find some poor bastard to take on Happ.
Angels....
IDK about that, Charlie Morton had his best year as a pro in TB after two very good years in Houston.
Astros certainly got plenty of fortunate bounces and breaks, too, I'll say that much.
That and Brantley's catch (not the same I know, no lucky bounce, but a play that could easily have backfired big time on him) really hurt.
Think fast, Randal - what did the Astros hit in this series? Don't look up the numbers, just give me your best guess.
Sevy?
Paxton?
Tanaka?
German?
Robertson?
CC? ( after his career he would object if he thought Rothschild was incompetent? he speaks out without any fear on every other subject)
Chapman?
am I right that Gray was the only guy that has done better (for a year) in another set of parks?
perhaps the failure is in minor league development? or our sample size is not large enough? Or the slots the Yankees drew from 5 and six years ago aren't conducive to turning into Aces?
Are there more than 8 Ace SP in MLB?
Ron Guidry, Scott Kamieneki, Andy Pettite, Chein Ming Wang, Phil Hughes, Ivan Nova and Luis Severino. Possibly Montgomery and German may one day be added to that list. Six other Yankee farm hands were successful primarily for other teams:
Doc Medich, Jim Beattie, Jim Deshalis, Doug Drabek, Al Lieter, Brian Boehringer and Scott McGregor.
Obviously we've done better with relief pitchers, but there is obviously something wrong with a system that has produced only 13 MLB starting pitchers in just under half a century. Almost as damning, when was the last time the Yanks acquired a starting pitching prospect who improved here as a starting pitcher ? If Paxton becomes a star, he may be the first. Its true that we've acquired stars who performed such as Sabathia and Tanaka, but how many pitchers have we acquired who flopped ? More than I can remember, but some of the recent ones are Gray, Eovaldi and Pineda.
So you did hear right. I must have missed it.
FWIW, Hicks said he will not do the surgery.
Hicks at Crossroads - ( New Window )
DN addresses the issue because of an article in 12UP promoting a Stanton trade.
[quote]The article seems to be written by a Yankees fan who wants to get rid of their disappointing player and doesn’t know how the Dodgers operate. The Dodgers absolutely have the firepower to get the deal done but that doesn’t make them a realistic landing spot.
If the Dodgers weren’t willing to sign Bryce Harper to a long-term deal in the offseason, they aren’t trading top prospects and locking themselves into that deal for an older player. Especially when the player has serious health concerns. . ..
If the Dodgers want to make a splash this off-season, they could just sign Gerritt Cole or Anthony Rendon, who are both much better players and fit the roster....
The only way a Stanton trade could work is if the Yankees eat most of his salary and take back A.J. Pollock. Even then, it’s still a stretch because Friedman and the Dodgers hate long-term deals.
It is very safe to say that Stanton won’t be a Dodger in the near future.[quote]
Although the article doesn't say spell it out, the reason the Dodgers might like to get out of A.J. Pollack's contract is that their outfield "issue" going into 2020 is that they already project to have four starters for the three spots: Bellinger, Pederson, Pollack and Alex Verdugo, who emerged while Pollack was on injury list.
Forget the Dodgers for GS.
dodger nation - ( New Window )
DN addresses the issue because of an article in 12UP promoting a Stanton trade.
If the Dodgers weren’t willing to sign Bryce Harper to a long-term deal in the offseason, they aren’t trading top prospects and locking themselves into that deal for an older player. Especially when the player has serious health concerns. . ..
If the Dodgers want to make a splash this off-season, they could just sign Gerritt Cole or Anthony Rendon, who are both much better players and fit the roster....
The only way a Stanton trade could work is if the Yankees eat most of his salary and take back A.J. Pollock. Even then, it’s still a stretch because Friedman and the Dodgers hate long-term deals.
It is very safe to say that Stanton won’t be a Dodger in the near future.
Although the article doesn't say spell it out, the reason the Dodgers might like to get out of A.J. Pollack's contract is that their outfield "issue" going into 2020 is that they already project to have four starters for the three spots: Bellinger, Pederson, Pollack and Alex Verdugo, who emerged while Pollack was on injury list.
Forget the Dodgers for GS.
The Angels alongside Trout would be a good fit. I would still like to see Stanton healthy with the Yanks.