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superspynyg : 10/21/2019 8:38 am
What does everyone think about Shaw from Stanford? Up till this year he always put good competitive teams on the field and his guys really respect him.

This year he does not have the horses to compete with the top 25. But he would be a great HC IMHO.
re: future HC  
ChicagoGiant : 10/21/2019 8:41 am : link
Tom Herman?
Lincoln  
giants_10_88 : 10/21/2019 8:41 am : link
Reiley please
It feels like if Shaw wanted to leave for the NFL  
ryanmkeane : 10/21/2019 8:42 am : link
he would have done so already. I think it's well documented that he's a Cali guy and loves being out there and having control of the program. I mean, it's a dream setup for him there. Would be shocked if he left.
meet the new boss  
lecky : 10/21/2019 8:43 am : link
he's the same as the old boss.

There is an underlying factor about this team that goes deeper than the head coach. This mess has looked the exact same for the last 4 coaches. Same O line play. Same, cant get off the field on 3rd down. Same stupid gametime coaching. Same inability to make adjustments. Same missed tackles. Same same same.
Matt Rhule  
ryanmkeane : 10/21/2019 8:49 am : link
or Mike McCarthy. They are true program builders and leaders. Either of them would be a great fit for the Giants.
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shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/21/2019 8:51 am : link
RE: Lincoln  
BillT : 10/21/2019 8:54 am : link
In comment 14638144 giants_10_88 said:
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Reiley please

I doubt Riley is leaving OU for at least ten years. It’s a better job than the NFL jobs. And he'd only be 46 then.
Matt Rhule  
ChicagoGiant : 10/21/2019 8:59 am : link
New York guy - not a bad option at all - and a past giants assistant coach
His name always comes up  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 9:00 am : link
And he's shown no inclination to leave.
And his wife  
SirLoinOfBeef : 10/21/2019 9:01 am : link
just loves living in Palo Alto.

Happy wife...
A former  
NikkiMac : 10/21/2019 9:04 am : link
Offensive lineman correct?
John  
NYBEN1963 : 10/21/2019 9:07 am : link
Fox...if he is still interested in coaching.We need a defensive minded HC.I have had it with so called offensive gurus
Shaw's name has popped up the last 2 times  
Biteymax22 : 10/21/2019 9:07 am : link
we've looked for head coaches and the answer is always the same, he doesn't want to leave California.

I have my list of guys I like, but my gut tells me after watching McAdoo lose this team completely, the Giants are going to be gun shy looking at the young upstarts like Lincoln Riley. The name I'd throw out is Eric Bieniemy, but I still think Shurmur gets 1 more year.
Any HC  
NJ-GMenFan : 10/21/2019 9:14 am : link
We get should NOT be allowed to call plays. Bring in a young OC that can come up with ways to get Barkley the damn ball. I was at the game yesterday and could call 90% of the plays ahead of time. Shurmur just sucks all around
RE: Any HC  
giants_10_88 : 10/21/2019 9:17 am : link
In comment 14638206 NJ-GMenFan said:
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We get should NOT be allowed to call plays. Bring in a young OC that can come up with ways to get Barkley the damn ball. I was at the game yesterday and could call 90% of the plays ahead of time. Shurmur just sucks all around


That's not true. How could anyone have predicted something as stupid as a draw on 3rd and 20?
who was the last HC  
Dnew15 : 10/21/2019 9:17 am : link
that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?
RE: meet the new boss  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2019 9:18 am : link
In comment 14638151 lecky said:
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he's the same as the old boss.

There is an underlying factor about this team that goes deeper than the head coach. This mess has looked the exact same for the last 4 coaches. Same O line play. Same, cant get off the field on 3rd down. Same stupid gametime coaching. Same inability to make adjustments. Same missed tackles. Same same same.


Too true, kinda makes you feel like a jets fan (almost)! What really annoys me is the inability to get SB the ball in space and not just a swing pass which the entire stadium sees coming!
All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2019 9:20 am : link
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RE: All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
jcn56 : 10/21/2019 9:21 am : link
In comment 14638221 Greg from LI said:
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But the Giants have familiarity with him - and that's been working out great lately!
RE: All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/21/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14638221 Greg from LI said:
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Unlike the Giants last 2 coaches, he's actually proven he can be a head coach.
RE: All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 9:23 am : link
In comment 14638221 Greg from LI said:
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Why? He's a great head coach, put Temple on the map, and has already turned around Baylor. He'd definitely be on my short list. He's a head coach first, not another fucking coordinator. Outside of no NFL experience I can't imagine a gripe with the guy.
RE: John  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/21/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14638193 NYBEN1963 said:
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Fox...if he is still interested in coaching.We need a defensive minded HC.I have had it with so called offensive gurus


I just puked in my mouth. That might be the worst suggestion possible. Is this john mara's burner account? This would be the most "Giants way' hire. A retread ex Giant dinosaur of a coach
RE: All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
Ned In Atlanta : 10/21/2019 9:24 am : link
In comment 14638221 Greg from LI said:
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What's your suggestion Greg?
RE: who was the last HC  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 9:26 am : link
In comment 14638215 Dnew15 said:
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that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?


Jim Harbaugh
There is now way Shaw would be succesful in NFL  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 9:26 am : link
He relies on having such an advantage in the trenches against those weak Pac12 defenses. Now that Oregon and Washington have seen that, done the same, they have left him in the dust. He's a dinosaur.
RE: RE: John  
ArcadeSlumlord : 10/21/2019 9:28 am : link
In comment 14638234 Ned In Atlanta said:
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In comment 14638193 NYBEN1963 said:


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Fox...if he is still interested in coaching.We need a defensive minded HC.I have had it with so called offensive gurus



I just puked in my mouth. That might be the worst suggestion possible. Is this john mara's burner account? This would be the most "Giants way' hire. A retread ex Giant dinosaur of a coach


1000% my thoughts!
Either Jim Harbaugh or Lincoln Riley  
chuckydee9 : 10/21/2019 9:40 am : link
Riley can make anyone into a good QB..
How about  
Jarvis : 10/21/2019 9:40 am : link
Dan Campbell. He is the assistant head coach of the Saints for a few years now. Clearly they have something good going on there. Also Matt Eberflus...the DC for the Colts. Turned around that defense quickly with minimal personal changes.
Shaw's teams appear to be  
Metnut : 10/21/2019 9:41 am : link
getting worse each year in a Pac 12 league that hasn't sent anyone to the playoff in a while.

Hard pass. He's fine at a place like Stanford but NYG should aim for someone better for their next HC.
we need someone who is an actual HC/executive  
markky : 10/21/2019 9:44 am : link
not a play caller. a previous poster pointed out that we have no communication systems: we should not have run the ball out of the EZ, Shurmur didn't know that Barkley limped off the field, etc.

a successful head coach coordinates the entire team:
- practice schedules and methodologies
- training methodologies
- quality control, self scouting
- the process for making in game decisions
- player discipline
- motivation and reward system for players
- system for testing whether or not the players will make coordinated decisions on the field
etc.

Shurmur should be judged on the program he's putting in place more than in game management. it doesn't seem (to me) that Shurmur is that guy. we need someone that is competitive and completely committed.

having cleared the roster, we have a chance over the next year of two to completely rebuild the team from the ground up. having the right HC is part of that.

if I were DG I'd go ahead and can Shurmur today, make Shula the interim HC and start the search. who knows, maybe Shula will be a Dabo Swinney situation where he proves he is the right guy. he's been a HC before. this would give us a headstart on finding the right guy to rebuild the program.
I have a fairly close...  
Ryan : 10/21/2019 10:04 am : link
...contact through a family member to a player that played under Rhule at Temple and still keeps close contact with him.

Philosophically he’d likely be a very strong fit in terms of leadership and building a strong locker room. He’s the son of a pastor and deeply religious and - all BS aside - took a trainwreck of a Baylor program over more $ from Oregon because he felt it was his calling (I believe that’s been printed but just validating it). Players at Temple adored him and he really transformed the culture there.

That being said he’s very faithful to his staff and probably wouldn’t take a job where he couldn’t bring the majority of them with him. When he interviewed for the Jets job Maccagnan wanted to directly hire ALL his own assistants which was a complete show stopper. That’s why they went with Putin’s stunt double.

If a change is made I just don’t see the franchise giving a HC with that little NFL experience that kind of latitude and I can’t say I blame them regardless of their own spotty track record with assistants.
RE: I have a fairly close...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 10/21/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14638369 Ryan said:
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...contact through a family member to a player that played under Rhule at Temple and still keeps close contact with him.

Philosophically he’d likely be a very strong fit in terms of leadership and building a strong locker room. He’s the son of a pastor and deeply religious and - all BS aside - took a trainwreck of a Baylor program over more $ from Oregon because he felt it was his calling (I believe that’s been printed but just validating it). Players at Temple adored him and he really transformed the culture there.

That being said he’s very faithful to his staff and probably wouldn’t take a job where he couldn’t bring the majority of them with him. When he interviewed for the Jets job Maccagnan wanted to directly hire ALL his own assistants which was a complete show stopper. That’s why they went with Putin’s stunt double.

If a change is made I just don’t see the franchise giving a HC with that little NFL experience that kind of latitude and I can’t say I blame them regardless of their own spotty track record with assistants.


Good info. Thanks.
Matt Rhule should be considered  
Vin_Cuccs : 10/21/2019 10:50 am : link
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Rhule also has a master's  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 11:01 am : link
So he's a bright guy.
RE: Rhule also has a master's  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14638559 jeff57 said:
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So he's a bright guy.


He has a Master's in Educational Pyschology, my mother has one of those and nobody is confusing her with a rocket scientist.
RE: RE: Rhule also has a master's  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 11:14 am : link
In comment 14638593 Zeke's Alibi said:
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In comment 14638559 jeff57 said:


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So he's a bright guy.



He has a Master's in Educational Pyschology, my mother has one of those and nobody is confusing her with a rocket scientist.


So much for Mom then.
RE: RE: who was the last HC  
Dnew15 : 10/21/2019 11:44 am : link
In comment 14638242 jeff57 said:
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that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?



Jim Harbaugh


Good example. Dude hasn't coached an NFL game in 5 years.

Guys that come from the college football ranks w/o doing a stint in the NFL as a HC don't have a good success rate in the NFL.

RE: RE: RE: who was the last HC  
jeff57 : 10/21/2019 11:49 am : link
In comment 14638710 Dnew15 said:
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In comment 14638242 jeff57 said:


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In comment 14638215 Dnew15 said:


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that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?



Jim Harbaugh



Good example. Dude hasn't coached an NFL game in 5 years.

Guys that come from the college football ranks w/o doing a stint in the NFL as a HC don't have a good success rate in the NFL.


Harbaugh had a 44-19-1 record as an NFL head coach.
Yeah he did..  
Dnew15 : 10/21/2019 1:27 pm : link
what was his reason for leaving?
You think he'll ever get another shot in the NFL?
RE: How about  
Jay on the Island : 10/21/2019 7:36 pm : link
In comment 14638268 Jarvis said:
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Dan Campbell. He is the assistant head coach of the Saints for a few years now. Clearly they have something good going on there. Also Matt Eberflus...the DC for the Colts. Turned around that defense quickly with minimal personal changes.

I'm a fan of Dan Campbell and I've mentioned him recently as a potential HC option as well as Eberflus, Richard, and Bieniemy. I would prefer a HC on the offensive side of the ball because of Jones. I want them to bring in a top DC either way.

If the Cowboys do fire Garrett I hope the Giants go all out for Rod Marinelli. He's done an incredible job in Dallas. Jay Gruden or John DeFilippo would be my top targets for OC. Gruden could entice Bill Callahan to come here as the OL coach.
Jason Garrett  
Go Terps : 10/21/2019 7:50 pm : link
If Dallas fires Garrett I think there's a good chance he's our next head coach. How's this for a timeline...

2019: Dallas loses in GB in divisional round; Giants finish 5-11...Garrett and Shurmur both keep jobs
2020: Dallas goes 8-8; Giants go 5-11, both Shurmur and Garrett are fired
January 2021: Dallas hires Lincoln Riley, Giants hire Jason Garrett

Sadly this seems very realistic.
RE: we need someone who is an actual HC/executive  
Eman11 : 10/21/2019 7:59 pm : link
In comment 14638286 markky said:
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not a play caller. a previous poster pointed out that we have no communication systems: we should not have run the ball out of the EZ, Shurmur didn't know that Barkley limped off the field, etc.

a successful head coach coordinates the entire team:
- practice schedules and methodologies
- training methodologies
- quality control, self scouting
- the process for making in game decisions
- player discipline
- motivation and reward system for players
- system for testing whether or not the players will make coordinated decisions on the field
etc.

Shurmur should be judged on the program he's putting in place more than in game management. it doesn't seem (to me) that Shurmur is that guy. we need someone that is competitive and completely committed.

having cleared the roster, we have a chance over the next year of two to completely rebuild the team from the ground up. having the right HC is part of that.

if I were DG I'd go ahead and can Shurmur today, make Shula the interim HC and start the search. who knows, maybe Shula will be a Dabo Swinney situation where he proves he is the right guy. he's been a HC before. this would give us a headstart on finding the right guy to rebuild the program.


I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this but you know who checks all those boxes and more?

Nick Saban.
Listening to today’s GM Shuffle episode..  
Sean : 10/21/2019 8:02 pm : link
Mike Lombardi stated the Giants should hire Matt Rhule and let him build a program here.

We haven’t had a program builder since Coughlin in 2004 & I think Rhule has a very chance to be the next guy. Think about how the Giants operate, Rhule was in the building prior.
RE: All the cheerleading for Matt Rhule is hilarious  
Sean : 10/21/2019 8:04 pm : link
In comment 14638221 Greg from LI said:
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Who would you bring in then? If I recall you are critical of Josh McDaniels as a coaching prospect as well.
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