What does everyone think about Shaw from Stanford? Up till this year he always put good competitive teams on the field and his guys really respect him.
This year he does not have the horses to compete with the top 25. But he would be a great HC IMHO.
There is an underlying factor about this team that goes deeper than the head coach. This mess has looked the exact same for the last 4 coaches. Same O line play. Same, cant get off the field on 3rd down. Same stupid gametime coaching. Same inability to make adjustments. Same missed tackles. Same same same.
I doubt Riley is leaving OU for at least ten years. It’s a better job than the NFL jobs. And he'd only be 46 then.
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I have my list of guys I like, but my gut tells me after watching McAdoo lose this team completely, the Giants are going to be gun shy looking at the young upstarts like Lincoln Riley. The name I'd throw out is Eric Bieniemy, but I still think Shurmur gets 1 more year.
That's not true. How could anyone have predicted something as stupid as a draw on 3rd and 20?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?
There is an underlying factor about this team that goes deeper than the head coach. This mess has looked the exact same for the last 4 coaches. Same O line play. Same, cant get off the field on 3rd down. Same stupid gametime coaching. Same inability to make adjustments. Same missed tackles. Same same same.
Too true, kinda makes you feel like a jets fan (almost)! What really annoys me is the inability to get SB the ball in space and not just a swing pass which the entire stadium sees coming!
But the Giants have familiarity with him - and that's been working out great lately!
Unlike the Giants last 2 coaches, he's actually proven he can be a head coach.
Why? He's a great head coach, put Temple on the map, and has already turned around Baylor. He'd definitely be on my short list. He's a head coach first, not another fucking coordinator. Outside of no NFL experience I can't imagine a gripe with the guy.
I just puked in my mouth. That might be the worst suggestion possible. Is this john mara's burner account? This would be the most "Giants way' hire. A retread ex Giant dinosaur of a coach
What's your suggestion Greg?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?
Jim Harbaugh
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Fox...if he is still interested in coaching.We need a defensive minded HC.I have had it with so called offensive gurus
I just puked in my mouth. That might be the worst suggestion possible. Is this john mara's burner account? This would be the most "Giants way' hire. A retread ex Giant dinosaur of a coach
1000% my thoughts!
Hard pass. He's fine at a place like Stanford but NYG should aim for someone better for their next HC.
a successful head coach coordinates the entire team:
- practice schedules and methodologies
- training methodologies
- quality control, self scouting
- the process for making in game decisions
- player discipline
- motivation and reward system for players
- system for testing whether or not the players will make coordinated decisions on the field
etc.
Shurmur should be judged on the program he's putting in place more than in game management. it doesn't seem (to me) that Shurmur is that guy. we need someone that is competitive and completely committed.
having cleared the roster, we have a chance over the next year of two to completely rebuild the team from the ground up. having the right HC is part of that.
if I were DG I'd go ahead and can Shurmur today, make Shula the interim HC and start the search. who knows, maybe Shula will be a Dabo Swinney situation where he proves he is the right guy. he's been a HC before. this would give us a headstart on finding the right guy to rebuild the program.
Philosophically he’d likely be a very strong fit in terms of leadership and building a strong locker room. He’s the son of a pastor and deeply religious and - all BS aside - took a trainwreck of a Baylor program over more $ from Oregon because he felt it was his calling (I believe that’s been printed but just validating it). Players at Temple adored him and he really transformed the culture there.
That being said he’s very faithful to his staff and probably wouldn’t take a job where he couldn’t bring the majority of them with him. When he interviewed for the Jets job Maccagnan wanted to directly hire ALL his own assistants which was a complete show stopper. That’s why they went with Putin’s stunt double.
If a change is made I just don’t see the franchise giving a HC with that little NFL experience that kind of latitude and I can’t say I blame them regardless of their own spotty track record with assistants.
Philosophically he’d likely be a very strong fit in terms of leadership and building a strong locker room. He’s the son of a pastor and deeply religious and - all BS aside - took a trainwreck of a Baylor program over more $ from Oregon because he felt it was his calling (I believe that’s been printed but just validating it). Players at Temple adored him and he really transformed the culture there.
That being said he’s very faithful to his staff and probably wouldn’t take a job where he couldn’t bring the majority of them with him. When he interviewed for the Jets job Maccagnan wanted to directly hire ALL his own assistants which was a complete show stopper. That’s why they went with Putin’s stunt double.
If a change is made I just don’t see the franchise giving a HC with that little NFL experience that kind of latitude and I can’t say I blame them regardless of their own spotty track record with assistants.
Good info. Thanks.
He has a Master's in Educational Pyschology, my mother has one of those and nobody is confusing her with a rocket scientist.
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So he's a bright guy.
He has a Master's in Educational Pyschology, my mother has one of those and nobody is confusing her with a rocket scientist.
So much for Mom then.
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that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?
Jim Harbaugh
Good example. Dude hasn't coached an NFL game in 5 years.
Guys that come from the college football ranks w/o doing a stint in the NFL as a HC don't have a good success rate in the NFL.
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that came from the college ranks w/o any HC experience in the NFL that was successful?
Bill O'Brien...his success has been moderate...who else ya got?
Jim Harbaugh
Good example. Dude hasn't coached an NFL game in 5 years.
Guys that come from the college football ranks w/o doing a stint in the NFL as a HC don't have a good success rate in the NFL.
Harbaugh had a 44-19-1 record as an NFL head coach.
You think he'll ever get another shot in the NFL?
I'm a fan of Dan Campbell and I've mentioned him recently as a potential HC option as well as Eberflus, Richard, and Bieniemy. I would prefer a HC on the offensive side of the ball because of Jones. I want them to bring in a top DC either way.
If the Cowboys do fire Garrett I hope the Giants go all out for Rod Marinelli. He's done an incredible job in Dallas. Jay Gruden or John DeFilippo would be my top targets for OC. Gruden could entice Bill Callahan to come here as the OL coach.
2019: Dallas loses in GB in divisional round; Giants finish 5-11...Garrett and Shurmur both keep jobs
2020: Dallas goes 8-8; Giants go 5-11, both Shurmur and Garrett are fired
January 2021: Dallas hires Lincoln Riley, Giants hire Jason Garrett
Sadly this seems very realistic.
a successful head coach coordinates the entire team:
- practice schedules and methodologies
- training methodologies
- quality control, self scouting
- the process for making in game decisions
- player discipline
- motivation and reward system for players
- system for testing whether or not the players will make coordinated decisions on the field
etc.
Shurmur should be judged on the program he's putting in place more than in game management. it doesn't seem (to me) that Shurmur is that guy. we need someone that is competitive and completely committed.
having cleared the roster, we have a chance over the next year of two to completely rebuild the team from the ground up. having the right HC is part of that.
if I were DG I'd go ahead and can Shurmur today, make Shula the interim HC and start the search. who knows, maybe Shula will be a Dabo Swinney situation where he proves he is the right guy. he's been a HC before. this would give us a headstart on finding the right guy to rebuild the program.
I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this but you know who checks all those boxes and more?
Nick Saban.
We haven’t had a program builder since Coughlin in 2004 & I think Rhule has a very chance to be the next guy. Think about how the Giants operate, Rhule was in the building prior.
Who would you bring in then? If I recall you are critical of Josh McDaniels as a coaching prospect as well.