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The Media is Getting in Pat Shurmur's Head

Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 9:58 am
There is no way he should have went for it after the failed 3rd down draw. I get the thinking, pick up an easy 8-12 and make 4th down manageable. That did not happen so you need to punt. Instead after getting heat from the media and fans all week about his gutless decision to punt in the Patriots game he goes for it.

On the other hand when things are going well, he gets very condescending with the media. He is clearly listening, and listening a lot. This guy is such an insecure weenie. How the fuck did they think he was the guy to lead this team.

The worst part is if they keep him and the young talent gets him to the playoffs next year, they'll justify keeping him. He'll make brutal in game decisions in important games and fire him after 5 years wasting DJ's rookie contract. I can already see it happening SMH. If DG doesn't fire this guy after the season he can go to. He's Mr. Accountability for the players but that has to go for staff too.
10000% on the money  
Essex : 10/21/2019 10:02 am : link
he is the most reactive coach I have ever seen. This was directly from punting the last time. He has no original thoughts, he just plays what he is supposed to do in his head and that is the worst thing you can have as a HC in this league
I can't wait until next week! Situation - Down 6 with 3 minutes and 1  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 10:15 am : link
timeout left at our own 40, 4th and 6, after not stopping the run all day he's going to punt. It's like I have a crystal ball. You don't need to be John Edwards to cold read Shurmur.
He has much bigger issues  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/21/2019 10:15 am : link
but this is one of them. Holmgren warned of this. Now the media smells blood it will get much worse.

When all this talk about 6-7 wins was good enough I never understood the mentality. He needed to win games this year. He is not and this is just the beginning imo. I am sure his "fake arrogance" will continue.
I honestly don't think it was about wins and losses this year, we had  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 10:22 am : link
a ton of fucking dead cap space and 23 million sitting on the bench. However, he is making poor decisions that have nothing to do with the talent on the team. It's his fourth year, why does anyone think it gets better?
But he's an adult...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/21/2019 10:22 am : link
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RE: But he's an adult...  
cjac : 10/21/2019 10:32 am : link
In comment 14638428 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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I know a lot of stupid adults.

He's one of them
RE: But he's an adult...  
Brown Recluse : 10/21/2019 10:36 am : link
In comment 14638428 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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So are you and look at this trash you just posted.

FFS
I was pretty neutral on Shurmur, but he has now pushed me over to  
PatersonPlank : 10/21/2019 10:36 am : link
the dark side. He just stinks. I really, honestly, believe that we have better talent than we are showing. His schemes suck, he doesn't seem to put people in positions they can succeed with (like AZ did with Murray yesterday), and he seems to have no clue on what to do moving forward (other than reviewing the film).
Great  
Les in TO : 10/21/2019 10:39 am : link
Post. There is a kids story called Foolish Jack where a kid named Jack goes off to work earns some coins but then loses them on the way home. His mother yells at him and tells him he needs to put his money in his pocket. The next job he gets paid in milk and taking his mother’s advice he puts the milk in his pockets which spill out. His mom yells at him telling him he should have carried it on his head. When he next gets a job where he’s paid in cheese his wages melt on his head.

We have Foolish Pat. He just makes the wrong decisions consistently.
Lots of insecure weenies  
Jimmy Googs : 10/21/2019 10:41 am : link
around here...
It's crazy we have a GM who is absolute in his convictions and a HC  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 10:41 am : link
that doesn't have any confidence in his decision making ability. I don't see how a guy like DG respects PS at all after watching the last few weeks, and it gives me hope he'll decide to move on.
You may recall Mike Holmgren  
bceagle05 : 10/21/2019 10:43 am : link
warned about that when Shurmur was hired - he worries to much about media criticism. Holmgren's lukewarm feelings toward Shurmur were the first signs of trouble. Usually when a protege gets hired, the mentor is effusive in his praise - "this guy always had his players prepared," "he worked more hours than I did," etc, etc. Holmgren could barely spare a compliment or two. Horrific hire.
Some points  
JohnF : 10/21/2019 10:51 am : link
1) The problems with this team aren't Eli, despite all the nay sayers who blamed the last few years on him. Yes, he's declined. No, he wasn't the problem. No QB could do well this year with this team. Way too many holes, not enough talent, and bad coaching (more in lack of player development...we're not seeing players getting better. Good coaches can make mediocre players play average, you're not seeing that here).

DG is starting the process, but it will take at least 3 years of DG drafts before the corner is turned (if it does turn).

2) People have to have patience with Jones. He's in a crappy situation, WR's are either not getting open, or drop passes. The running game should be better, but the line has regressed a bit. My biggest gripe with Jones is that he's too willing to pull the ball down and run. The coaches have to get him to stop doing that before he gets an injury like Simms did.

Yes, you want your QB to move around the pocket. No, you DON'T want a running QB, unless you have a decent backup. At some point, if Jones continues to do this, he gets injured. Get him to start throwing the ball away if nothing is there.

3) When the move was made to replace Eli with DJ, the season was over. Accept it. The Defense is just awful, it will take a couple of years to fix that side (starting with a new DC). If you want to run a 3-4, you need more talent at ER and LB, which will take time.

The only good news is that the Giants will likely be in the top 10 again drafting. I think that the FO will look for the best ER, and get WR's in free agency. The priority has to be to fix the Defense, and I think DG will go that way.

For the old time fans, it's 1979 again. Hopefully, the team strikes gold like they did with LT. We'll see...



RE: You may recall Mike Holmgren  
Les in TO : 10/21/2019 10:52 am : link
In comment 14638483 bceagle05 said:
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warned about that when Shurmur was hired - he worries to much about media criticism. Holmgren's lukewarm feelings toward Shurmur were the first signs of trouble. Usually when a protege gets hired, the mentor is effusive in his praise - "this guy always had his players prepared," "he worked more hours than I did," etc, etc. Holmgren could barely spare a compliment or two. Horrific hire.
good call out. Not everyone is cut out for a head coaching job (or CEO job). You need to be able to take the heat.
It’s pretty obvious  
darren in pdx : 10/21/2019 10:52 am : link
he was hired thinking he’d get the most out of Eli after leading an offense to the NFC championship game with Case Keenum. It’s same reason McAdoo was hired. They need a coach that can fix the team, not just focus on one position..
RE: RE: But he's an adult...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/21/2019 10:54 am : link
In comment 14638462 Brown Recluse said:
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So are you and look at this trash you just posted.

FFS


Huh?
RE: RE: You may recall Mike Holmgren  
jcn56 : 10/21/2019 10:58 am : link
In comment 14638517 Les in TO said:
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warned about that when Shurmur was hired - he worries to much about media criticism. Holmgren's lukewarm feelings toward Shurmur were the first signs of trouble. Usually when a protege gets hired, the mentor is effusive in his praise - "this guy always had his players prepared," "he worked more hours than I did," etc, etc. Holmgren could barely spare a compliment or two. Horrific hire.

good call out. Not everyone is cut out for a head coaching job (or CEO job). You need to be able to take the heat.


Yeah, in hindsight that interview was a great one. It was strained to say the least - he didn't bash Shurmur, but he did suggest he was thin skinned and thought he was too uptight.
RE: 10000% on the money  
regulator : 10/21/2019 11:12 am : link
In comment 14638361 Essex said:
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he is the most reactive coach I have ever seen. This was directly from punting the last time. He has no original thoughts, he just plays what he is supposed to do in his head and that is the worst thing you can have as a HC in this league


Remember his comments re: Lauletta last year? Almost as though he put him in solely as an act of defiance to the media.

His affect in press conferences supports this theory.
He's thin skinned and emotional  
JonC : 10/21/2019 11:12 am : link
hard to watch.
It starts to seem obvious  
ryanmkeane : 10/21/2019 11:20 am : link
that a guy is in over his head when every answer about a play call or a doomed series is "well, we need to block better. well, we need to execute better. well, what we actually need to do is if the guard blocks that play better yada yada yada"

Every play is "designed" to succeed. You need to coach the players and design play calls that actually fucking work in that scenario. I'm sick of this horseshit response, McAdoo used it every time we got our asses kicked, and now Shurmur is using it after every single game. Call better plays. Be creative, use the clock well. Maybe then you'll start actually winning football games instead of this constant garbage.
RE: You may recall Mike Holmgren  
regulator : 10/21/2019 11:20 am : link
In comment 14638483 bceagle05 said:
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warned about that when Shurmur was hired - he worries to much about media criticism. Holmgren's lukewarm feelings toward Shurmur were the first signs of trouble. Usually when a protege gets hired, the mentor is effusive in his praise - "this guy always had his players prepared," "he worked more hours than I did," etc, etc. Holmgren could barely spare a compliment or two. Horrific hire.


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“He’s kind of quiet and kind of serious,” Holmgren told the New York Daily News on Monday night. “I’m not that serious. It’s hard for him to shoot the breeze. He’s really bright and works really hard. He has a good way about him with his staff. I’m disappointed he didn’t come in and talk to me enough. I was down the hall. I wish Pat had done that with me more. They want to do their own thing and don’t want to show they don’t know what is going on. I understand that. I’m really happy for him that it looks like he’s getting another chance.”

Holmgren also added that Shurmur might want to do a little less reading of what others thought of him during the year.

“He read everything. He knew everything that was said,” Holmgren said. “I told him, ‘You can’t let it get to you. Don’t create an adversarial situation.’ I tried to counsel him that way.”


I don't read Holmgren's comments as overly critical, but it's clear that Shurmur hasn't really changed his stripes.
Lighten up, Francis - ( New Window )
Well at least something  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2019 11:24 am : link
is getting into PS head, because it sure isn't in-game adjustments.
I didn't realize that Mike Holmgreen tidbit, which is even more damnin  
Zeke's Alibi : 10/21/2019 11:30 am : link
Classic mark of a loser, inability to change from past mistakes.
RE: It's crazy we have a GM who is absolute in his convictions and a HC  
BillKo : 10/21/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14638479 Zeke's Alibi said:
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that doesn't have any confidence in his decision making ability. I don't see how a guy like DG respects PS at all after watching the last few weeks, and it gives me hope he'll decide to move on.


Relationships change. Sure PS was his choice, but when things aren't working out business partnerships change.

PS is on watch now, IMO. If the team finishes on a downward arrow, and right now it's headed that way, Shurmur will be canned.

You risk going into next year with a big question mark at HC and with a second year QB. Not a good thing.
RE: I honestly don't think it was about wins and losses this year, we had  
King Quis : 10/21/2019 11:43 am : link
In comment 14638426 Zeke's Alibi said:
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a ton of fucking dead cap space and 23 million sitting on the bench. However, he is making poor decisions that have nothing to do with the talent on the team. It's his fourth year, why does anyone think it gets better?


This!!! 10000%
I was actually ok with the 4th down call  
BH28 : 10/21/2019 12:09 pm : link
The defense hadn't stopped dick all game, so there was no guarantee that Arizona wouldn't have run out the clock to end the game. Then we would have been screaming for him to go for it there.

What I do have a problem with is it seemed reactionary to the fuck up against the patriots. And since this 4th down attempt blew up in his face, he's not going to go for it on fourth down again when he should because of the media pressure.

That's been the issue with Shurmur his entire tenure, his decisions seem to be whims rather than having a solid philosophy on game management.
RE: 10000% on the money  
Bluesbreaker : 10/21/2019 1:41 pm : link
In comment 14638361 Essex said:
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he is the most reactive coach I have ever seen. This was directly from punting the last time. He has no original thoughts, he just plays what he is supposed to do in his head and that is the worst thing you can have as a HC in this league

Glad I am not the only one this guy inspires no one period .
Whether it be the use of time outs game clock player personal
his use of the challenge his demeanor body language even
the post game locker room wins he is a loser !
Too bad there's no one the Mara's could call  
arniefez : 10/21/2019 2:27 pm : link
who is a HOF NFL HC, who was a master at handling the NY media and who still keeps in touch with some of the best coaches in the league. Maybe that guy could recommend someone who would be a better fit with HC skill sets than McAdoo and Shurmur.
RE: Too bad there's no one the Mara's could call  
joe48 : 10/21/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14639064 arniefez said:
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who is a HOF NFL HC, who was a master at handling the NY media and who still keeps in touch with some of the best coaches in the league. Maybe that guy could recommend someone who would be a better fit with HC skill sets than McAdoo and Shurmur.
Bill Parcells is still alive last time I checked.
2 seasons of nonsense  
mdc1 : 10/21/2019 4:48 pm : link
time for Shurmur to go. Enough is enough.
SMH  
crick n NC : 10/21/2019 5:45 pm : link
Is that, shaking my head, or scratching my head?

Thanks
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