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Did one soul on BBI even want Shurmur?

Route 9 : 10/21/2019 11:37 am
I'll be honest, I wanted Patricia like a lot of people. Bill Belichick, I guess? I rolled my eyes like a 7 year old who didn't get his way when I found out Shurmur was going to be the HC. I think I had the same reaction when McAdoo was hired. I was more annoyed Coughlin was let go for him but yet Reese stuck around?

Who did you want for HC of the NY football Giants the day the music died... or Big Macs keycard stopped working?
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Do you think ownership checked with BBI before they picked a coach?  
SterlingArcher : 10/21/2019 12:59 pm : link
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I wanted Vic Fangio  
Boatie Warrant : 10/21/2019 1:21 pm : link
I wanted him as our D coordinator when Fewell was hired and I wanted him as HC when Coughlin was let go.
RE: Do you think ownership checked with BBI before they picked a coach?  
Route 9 : 10/21/2019 1:28 pm : link
In comment 14638896 SterlingArcher said:
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You guys are hysterical if "you think, I think" I have this outlandish sneaking suspicion the Giants management checks out with BBI before making their moves.

Who cares? BBI, I'm guessing. That's why I posted this thread about BBI on ... BBI.
The Giants didn't even have Shurmur as their #1  
fanofthejets : 10/21/2019 1:31 pm : link
They wanted Patricia. Shurmur was the fallback.

Reich was the guy to hire but was scooped up by Indy after the McDaniels debacle. Not sure if he was ever on the Giants radar though
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Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/21/2019 1:35 pm : link
In comment 14638891 Go Terps said:
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Teams that have Shurmur as head coach also stay bad. He should be fired today.

I fear Shemur is screwing up DJ8s development. He went from Cutcliffe bad things happen when you hold the ball 2.8 seconds (damn fucking straight) to Mara/Tisch/Shemur we need Eli to throw 70% stare down SB for a couple moreasons secondo to get open on screen.
Shurmur  
TyreeHelmet : 10/21/2019 1:44 pm : link
If he was aviilable this offseason would he even get an interview let alone a job? Even his most positive supports cannot think this guy is a top 20/25 nfl coach.

I'd fire him in season and get a head start on it...
I wanted Wilks  
ryanmkeane : 10/21/2019 1:46 pm : link
and while I guess I was OK with Shurmur, it seemed like an uninspiring hire. I did not think he would be this bad.
I wanted Patricia.  
Ryan in Albany : 10/21/2019 1:53 pm : link
RPI grad. Gotta love that.

I felt they settled for Shurmur.
I was very  
Josh in the City : 10/21/2019 1:54 pm : link
vocal about wanting Patricia but unfortunately we ended up with this perennial loser.
I wanted McDaniels  
allstarjim : 10/21/2019 1:54 pm : link
But I'm happy with Shurmur and still am. Most of the people saying to fire him can't even spell his name, so whatever.

People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.

I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.

You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.

Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.

How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.

To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.

This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.

RE: I wanted McDaniels  
ryanmkeane : 10/21/2019 2:05 pm : link
In comment 14639009 allstarjim said:
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People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense.

Haha. OK. So let me guess - we are supposed to just forget his tenure in Cleveland? We are supposed to just forget that his career coaching winning percentage is .303 because what....he will probably turn into Bill Parcells over time? Because hey, the Colts did it? We are supposed to just not actually watch the games and decisions that Shurmur makes on a weekly basis that defy any logic whatsoever? And just say, hey, ya know what, in 4 years he will be a great coach! Yay!

Are you nuts dude?
RE: Also important to note, as other have....  
WillVAB : 10/21/2019 2:07 pm : link
In comment 14638728 Britt in VA said:
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what were the alternatives?

Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.


Frank Reich looks like the best coach that was available, but in fairness no one here was really on him.

Naming alternatives is really irrelevant at this point. It’s not BBI’s job to find the HC of the New York Giants, it’s ownership/Gettleman’s job. They failed with Shurmur. Hopefully DG cuts ties quickly like he does with FAs who don’t work out.
After this season  
thrunthrublue : 10/21/2019 2:13 pm : link
Schumur will be provenly unemployable as a legitimate nfl head coach.....forever.
RE: I was very  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2019 2:16 pm : link
In comment 14639007 Josh in the City said:
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vocal about wanting Patricia but unfortunately we ended up with this perennial loser.


And the alternative you were very vocal about is a better choice??
The paeans for Patricia are amusing  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2019 2:19 pm : link
Guy inherits a team that Jim Caldwell was fired for going 9-7 with in consecutive seasons and promptly leads them to a 6-10 season, and they're 2-3-1 this year with a defense almost as bad as the Giants. I thought defense was supposed to be Patricia's strength?
was fine with the hire  
bluepepper : 10/21/2019 2:19 pm : link
and I am still fine with him. The talent blows. They spent year one of the new regime caught between rebuilding and trying to revive Eli's career. That was more ownership and the GM. So think of this as year one not year two. It's a lot less painful if you think of it that way.

Not that I love him or would go to go to the mat for him. If they decide to can him fine but I'm not pining for it the way so many of you guys are.
RE: I wanted McDaniels  
TyreeHelmet : 10/21/2019 2:21 pm : link
In comment 14639009 allstarjim said:
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But I'm happy with Shurmur and still am. Most of the people saying to fire him can't even spell his name, so whatever.

People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.

I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.

You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.

Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.

How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.

To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.

This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.


How can you be happy with Shurmur or have any faith in him whatsover. You can make all the excuses you want but ultimately you have to produce in the NFL. He has shown over time he is a losing coach.

I'll come back to this...what is he good at?
I liked Patricia most  
UConn4523 : 10/21/2019 2:22 pm : link
IIRC and had no strong feelings either way on Shurmur. I’m ready to move on though. I was willing to give this time but he officially lost me when he ran the ball on 3rd and long in the 4th quarter.
RE: The paeans for Patricia are amusing  
bluepepper : 10/21/2019 2:28 pm : link
In comment 14639045 Greg from LI said:
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Guy inherits a team that Jim Caldwell was fired for going 9-7 with in consecutive seasons and promptly leads them to a 6-10 season, and they're 2-3-1 this year with a defense almost as bad as the Giants. I thought defense was supposed to be Patricia's strength?

Caldwell went 36-28 in four years in Detroit. Had one losing season. People act like Patricia took over a perennial basement dweller or something. At this point they've regressed under him. Though admittedly they are probably better than their record this year.
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Route 9 : 10/21/2019 2:51 pm : link
What's all this claptrap about the roster not being good?! Come on, on offense, we have Barkley back and "the stud tight end" Engram who we all should look forward to seeing each and every week be our number one target. We have a young, mobile, QB who can extend plays regardless of this rigid offensive line, lol.

Wait a minute, I thought because the Giants were down all those guys in New England on the road, on a Thursday night, against a number one defense, that's why they lost? That's why they received credit for hanging in there, right? Then against a shitbox defense, at home; the offensive still cannot do anything spectacular, even with those appreciable missing links all back.

I mean the defense isn't perfect but the D and special teams did spot the team 7 points the last two weeks and the O still only scored 7 points last week and 14 points this week.

Also, what's up with this team and only being capable of putting up single digits in the second half over the years? It's a rare event when they break that 10-point threshold, late in the game.
RE: RE: I wanted McDaniels  
allstarjim : 10/21/2019 2:51 pm : link
In comment 14639048 TyreeHelmet said:
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But I'm happy with Shurmur and still am. Most of the people saying to fire him can't even spell his name, so whatever.

People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.

I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.

You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.

Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.

How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.

To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.

This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.




How can you be happy with Shurmur or have any faith in him whatsover. You can make all the excuses you want but ultimately you have to produce in the NFL. He has shown over time he is a losing coach.

I'll come back to this...what is he good at?


You can point to his record as a coach and that's a pretty shitty way to judge him. Most of his NFL head coaching experience was with the Browns, when his best offensive player was Peyton fucking Hillis. You're talking arguably about the worst franchise and ownership in the NFL when they had probably the worst roster in the NFL his two seasons there. His QBs his first season were Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. His second season it was a rookie Brandon Weeden. And we would act just like the perennial loser Browns by firing a head coach bringing along a rookie QB with a lot of potential, as well as damaging Daniel Jones' development.

It's moronic. You have to be more patient. This isn't instant gratification. This is an investment. If there isn't significant progress next season then I will say it's time to consider making a change.

As for what ails this team, it's on field execution and roster limitations. As for what Shurmur is good at, he's good at developing QBs, he's good at developing a successful offensive system. He's proven in both of these systems. And Daniel Jones looks a lot better in his first 5 games than the strong majority of rookie QBs in their first 5 games, but NO ONE is giving Shurmur credit for this. It's insane.
I was fine with him  
Lines of Scrimmage : 10/21/2019 2:53 pm : link
with what seemed to be available and figured he would maximize Eli and break in a new QB. Hoped he evaluated and would be much improved his second time. Had Reid, Turner, Kelly form a offensive system but watching him hear he seems to need someone supervising him.

Boy was I wrong and I think he is horrible since Preseason. Defensive, entitled and poor motivator.


RE: RE: The paeans for Patricia are amusing  
Greg from LI : 10/21/2019 2:56 pm : link
In comment 14639065 bluepepper said:
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Caldwell went 36-28 in four years in Detroit. Had one losing season. People act like Patricia took over a perennial basement dweller or something. At this point they've regressed under him. Though admittedly they are probably better than their record this year.


Exactly. Think about this - the Lions have been barely better than the Giants despite having a legit star QB while the Giants have had end-of-the-line Eli and a rookie starting for them.

Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Matt Patricia.
Wanted Wilks  
trueblueinpw : 10/21/2019 2:57 pm : link
Does that mean I win?
I did want Shurmur  
Mike in NY : 10/21/2019 3:00 pm : link
Had a track record turning around nothing QB's like Case Keenum. His Cleveland teams always seemed to play above their talent level, but they were so lacking in talent that a coach could only do so much. Despite being severely outmanned they were competitive in games. It is clear that players like playing for him, but it seems like he is a better coordinator than Head Coach when he can focus on just one area.
RE: Detroit is going to curb stomp us Sunday.  
micky : 10/21/2019 3:00 pm : link
In comment 14638795 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Better be first in line @ the liquor store Sunday when they open.


SFG..I think the Giants the last several years have you needing an intervention by AA.
I am so sick of these overly analytical, unemotional, self proclaimed  
PatersonPlank : 10/21/2019 3:06 pm : link
" smartest in the room" type coaches. They may work as OC or DC, but give me a more emotional, relatable, guy who can lead and inspire players as HC. In general (and I know you can find outlyers to this), I believe the Parcells type guys are more successful as HC than they Shurmur/Slick Mac type guys
RE: I am so sick of these overly analytical, unemotional, self proclaimed  
Route 9 : 10/21/2019 3:11 pm : link
In comment 14639136 PatersonPlank said:
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" smartest in the room" type coaches. They may work as OC or DC, but give me a more emotional, relatable, guy who can lead and inspire players as HC. In general (and I know you can find outlyers to this), I believe the Parcells type guys are more successful as HC than they Shurmur/Slick Mac type guys


Pete Carroll, lol?
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Route 9 : 10/21/2019 3:19 pm : link
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We are 5 games into the DJ era  
joe48 : 10/21/2019 3:25 pm : link
DJ and Saquon (on a bad ankle and sloppy) played their first game together yesterday. The rebuild will take longer than 5 games. Still a lot of holes to fill. This year is about letting DJ get experience and to evaluate personnel. If you cannot watch ugly football then watch golf on Sundays. I have lived through this from late 60’s to the mid- 80’s and it is not fun. It is way too early to fire all the coaches and GM and start over.
I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.
Wanted Patricia...  
nzyme : 10/21/2019 3:31 pm : link
For the simple fact that we've never had success with offensive guys....
RE: Wanted Patricia...  
Britt in VA : 10/21/2019 3:33 pm : link
In comment 14639182 nzyme said:
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For the simple fact that we've never had success with offensive guys....


Tom Coughlin was an offensive guy.
RE: Whoever wants Spags  
allstarjim : 10/21/2019 3:41 pm : link
In comment 14638826 Coach Red Beaulieu said:
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Please punch yourself in the neck.

I actually find Betcher an interesting choice for HC. Seems to fix his mistakes, on paper has huge obvious gaps in personnel, meanwhile Shemur can't do shit with two 1000 yard receivers, a 4.4 TE, a HoF RB, and on paper solid OL.


Look how stupid this post is. Two thousand yard receivers? His #1 receiver is 31 year old Golden Tate. That's the worst #1 receiver in the NFL. And all of those guys you've mentioned have missed significant parts of this season, and at no time have they all been on the field together. The point is, he hasn't had all that for one actual game.

And on paper OL means nothing. On paper? Who cares about on paper? They need to perform, and they aren't doing it. It's not anyone's fault that Remmers is playing extremely poorly, except for Remmers, barring an undisclosed injury.

Remmers has been TERRIBLE. Solder has been up and down, sometimes terrible himself. The team is a young team with a lot of rookies playing key roles making rookie mistakes, with the Daniel Jones playing the most important role, making rookie mistakes. And you want that. You want some failure for him to learn from. He's been an NFL player for 7 games, starting only 5, and playing the most important position on the field, the one position that has the most responsibility for a team winning or losing.

Let me give you an analogy. I love poker. So say you have the AK of spades and the board runs out 4 of spades, 7 of spades, A of diamonds, then turn is K of hearts, and river is 8 of spades. So you turned top two pair into the Ace high flush on the river, and obviously you have been betting and getting called the whole way. Now you bet your big flush and your opponent raises all-in. You absolutely call here every time, your opponent turns over 5-6 of spades for the straight flush, and you lose.

The point here is we've been dealt a VERY good hand with Daniel Jones and a lot of other talented young players on this roster, like Saquon and Dexter Lawrence and so on. But right now, the other teams have a better hand than us most of the time, and we are SUPPOSED TO LOSE, just like with A-K there. It might suck, but you take your licks, you keep playing the right way, and the next several times (seasons), you cash in big. That's where the Giants are at. They are doing a lot of things right organizationally, but still aren't quite there from a competitive standpoint to put together winning seasons. It's not a bad thing, it's not a good thing, it's just the process.
RE: We are 5 games into the DJ era  
Route 9 : 10/21/2019 4:01 pm : link
In comment 14639171 joe48 said:
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DJ and Saquon (on a bad ankle and sloppy) played their first game together yesterday. The rebuild will take longer than 5 games. Still a lot of holes to fill. This year is about letting DJ get experience and to evaluate personnel. If you cannot watch ugly football then watch golf on Sundays. I have lived through this from late 60’s to the mid- 80’s and it is not fun. It is way too early to fire all the coaches and GM and start over.
I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.


No garbage Giant game is complete without the "the Giants were bad in the 70s" Boomer follow-up speech. You guys would think by now EVERY Giant under the sun has heard that already. Nah.

Well guess what? With 5 out of the last 6 losing seasons (and very likely 6 out of 7) and going on 8 years without a playoff win, this is ugly football.

My God, STFU about it already. We get it, you saw them suck 40 years ago and guess what? They suck now. What does your memories from four decades ago got to do with the price of tea in MetLife Stadium?

Does that mean I get to start yapping about 2017 for no reason in 2047? What a stupid ass, pointlessly aimed thing to say each and every time.
Another troublesome indicator  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/21/2019 4:05 pm : link
Choosing Tanney over Lauletta. Management 101, favoritism is extremely debilitating to employee morale, and you need employee morale in a job your getting manhandled for 3 hours by two sweaty 300 lb men. Incompetent management skills.
He's been terrible.  
Dave in Hoboken : 10/21/2019 4:08 pm : link
Doesn't inspire a ton of confidence. His play-calling and in-game decisions are questionable at best, as well.
RE: RE: We are 5 games into the DJ era  
allstarjim : 10/21/2019 4:16 pm : link
In comment 14639249 Route 9 said:
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DJ and Saquon (on a bad ankle and sloppy) played their first game together yesterday. The rebuild will take longer than 5 games. Still a lot of holes to fill. This year is about letting DJ get experience and to evaluate personnel. If you cannot watch ugly football then watch golf on Sundays. I have lived through this from late 60’s to the mid- 80’s and it is not fun. It is way too early to fire all the coaches and GM and start over.
I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.



No garbage Giant game is complete without the "the Giants were bad in the 70s" Boomer follow-up speech. You guys would think by now EVERY Giant under the sun has heard that already. Nah.

Well guess what? With 5 out of the last 6 losing seasons (and very likely 6 out of 7) and going on 8 years without a playoff win, this is ugly football.

My God, STFU about it already. We get it, you saw them suck 40 years ago and guess what? They suck now. What does your memories from four decades ago got to do with the price of tea in MetLife Stadium?

Does that mean I get to start yapping about 2017 for no reason in 2047? What a stupid ass, pointlessly aimed thing to say each and every time.


I love this new age-ist trend of bashing boomers (and I'm not a boomer). The tendency to denigrate an entire generation of people (mostly by millennials) is disgusting.

I think what he was rightfully saying is that having gone through extended periods of losing Giants football, overreacting to a losing season this year, when we are just now starting to get the pieces to turn it around is foolish. And the last 8 years has nothing to do with this year. We are a team in full transition from the Eli Manning era to a new era. It may not work out, but the team is better than it was a year ago and much, much better than it was two years ago.
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Route 9 : 10/21/2019 4:29 pm : link
And the pendulum doesn't swing the other way on here and it's never open season for Millennials on BBI? Not that I'm sensitive to it, but it is only fair.

I'm saying that because it's true, it's the same tiresome lecture about yesteryear, how we have no reason to complain, spoiled because of a Super Bowl from over 10 years ago, etc. I could see mentioning those bad years but its ALL the time, serving those loser years as some lecturing point time and time again. You'd think this go-to mention of the 70s for the past almost ten years might set off a light bulb that we're in a CONTEMPORARY losing rut, but nope. Same thing every other day.

I did not ask to be born when I was born haha.
I was just  
Photoguy : 10/21/2019 4:30 pm : link
happy to move on from McAdoo, and Reese & co.

I wavered a bit during the game yesterday, but I think Shurmur should get 2020. It's the other coaches on staff I'm not sure about, other than the Special Teams coach.
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Route 9 : 10/21/2019 4:43 pm : link
And we've been "getting the right pieces" and have been "getting on track" for years and they're still a bottom 10 team. I'd honestly say they're bottom 5 but there is Miami, Washington, Cincy. Can they even beat the Jets?

But yes if they go 6-10, I'll just be glad and excited for the next year because, yeah! Moral victories and were all blessed by the lord's prayers that it's not the 70s! Some awfully low bar we have around here.
The Giants and PS suck balls...  
trueblueinpw : 10/21/2019 5:06 pm : link
But as a member Gen X I just want to take this opportunity to invite the Boomers and the Millennials to go and fuck each other.
RE: RE: Whoever wants Spags  
mdc1 : 10/21/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14639209 allstarjim said:
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In comment 14638826 Coach Red Beaulieu said:


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Please punch yourself in the neck.

I actually find Betcher an interesting choice for HC. Seems to fix his mistakes, on paper has huge obvious gaps in personnel, meanwhile Shemur can't do shit with two 1000 yard receivers, a 4.4 TE, a HoF RB, and on paper solid OL.



Look how stupid this post is. Two thousand yard receivers? His #1 receiver is 31 year old Golden Tate. That's the worst #1 receiver in the NFL. And all of those guys you've mentioned have missed significant parts of this season, and at no time have they all been on the field together. The point is, he hasn't had all that for one actual game.

And on paper OL means nothing. On paper? Who cares about on paper? They need to perform, and they aren't doing it. It's not anyone's fault that Remmers is playing extremely poorly, except for Remmers, barring an undisclosed injury.

Remmers has been TERRIBLE. Solder has been up and down, sometimes terrible himself. The team is a young team with a lot of rookies playing key roles making rookie mistakes, with the Daniel Jones playing the most important role, making rookie mistakes. And you want that. You want some failure for him to learn from. He's been an NFL player for 7 games, starting only 5, and playing the most important position on the field, the one position that has the most responsibility for a team winning or losing.

Let me give you an analogy. I love poker. So say you have the AK of spades and the board runs out 4 of spades, 7 of spades, A of diamonds, then turn is K of hearts, and river is 8 of spades. So you turned top two pair into the Ace high flush on the river, and obviously you have been betting and getting called the whole way. Now you bet your big flush and your opponent raises all-in. You absolutely call here every time, your opponent turns over 5-6 of spades for the straight flush, and you lose.

The point here is we've been dealt a VERY good hand with Daniel Jones and a lot of other talented young players on this roster, like Saquon and Dexter Lawrence and so on. But right now, the other teams have a better hand than us most of the time, and we are SUPPOSED TO LOSE, just like with A-K there. It might suck, but you take your licks, you keep playing the right way, and the next several times (seasons), you cash in big. That's where the Giants are at. They are doing a lot of things right organizationally, but still aren't quite there from a competitive standpoint to put together winning seasons. It's not a bad thing, it's not a good thing, it's just the process.


so what does that mean, we will sign Saquon, Daniel and Lawrence to big contracts and then surround them with garbage FA's and some sewing thread? This f'ing team hangs on to people for too long, whether it is players or coaches. I must say one thing however, if I am Saquon I would be looking at my oline, my win/loss column and wondering could I do better elsewhere in a short period of time if something is not corrected damn fast.
I wanted McAdoo  
montanagiant : 10/21/2019 6:32 pm : link
I jest....I jest
RE: I wanted McAdoo  
Go Terps : 10/21/2019 6:33 pm : link
In comment 14639545 montanagiant said:
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I jest....I jest


He'd be a huge improvement.
I wanted Shurmur hired  
Jay on the Island : 10/21/2019 8:29 pm : link
when it came to the candidates that were legitimate options. I wanted no part of Patricia, McDaniels, or Schwartz.
I wanted Patricia  
Beer Man : 10/21/2019 8:59 pm : link
I like defensive minded coaches. But Patricia didn't want the Giants (probably could see how bad the team was). I didn't mind the PS signing, and I am not ready to throw the towel in on he or DG; I just see that both took over a very bad team and that it was going take more than a couple of seasons to right the ship.
RE: The Giants didn't even have Shurmur as their #1  
Jay on the Island : 10/21/2019 9:33 pm : link
In comment 14638964 fanofthejets said:
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They wanted Patricia. Shurmur was the fallback.

Reich was the guy to hire but was scooped up by Indy after the McDaniels debacle. Not sure if he was ever on the Giants radar though

How many times are you going to post this false bullshit? This was confirmed to be false as it was suggested by someone at ESPN with no sources. The actual people with sources confirmed that Patricia was not high on the Giants list.
I don't know..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 10/21/2019 9:36 pm : link
where the Patricia rumors came from.

I had actually heard that the Giants liked McDaniels more than Patricia.
God  
Paulie Walnuts : 10/21/2019 11:59 pm : link
I miss Parcells
RE: RE: I wanted McAdoo  
allstarjim : 10/22/2019 1:53 am : link
In comment 14639546 Go Terps said:
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In comment 14639545 montanagiant said:


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I jest....I jest



He'd be a huge improvement.


Yeah, the guy whose team couldn't score more than 30 points for basically his entire tenure. The guy who had his offense finish 30th in 3rd down conversion out of 32 teams for 2 years straight. The coach whose scoring offense was 27th and 31st in the NFL in his two miserable seasons here? That guy? By every measurable standard, the Giants improved from McAdoo to Shurmur.
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