I'll be honest, I wanted Patricia like a lot of people. Bill Belichick, I guess? I rolled my eyes like a 7 year old who didn't get his way when I found out Shurmur was going to be the HC. I think I had the same reaction when McAdoo was hired. I was more annoyed Coughlin was let go for him but yet Reese stuck around?
Who did you want for HC of the NY football Giants the day the music died... or Big Macs keycard stopped working?
But I do find myself defending PS from time to time. Yesterday's performance is making it harder and harder to do so.
Nobody wants a Browns retread. I really don't want a BB assistant, either.
Who we want is completely irrelevant to if the guy will do a good job. A lot of people on BBI would've taken Spags in a heartbeat as a HC.
He has made some headscratching HC decisions so far. That’s troubling
I thought chalking up his bad record to "just Cleveland" was dangerous. He was totally uninspiring.
Just for the record I wanted Wilks who is already out of his HC gig, but who really knows after Arizona's track record the last 2 years.
for me it was Wilks or Patricia with Norv as OC. That was what I wanted in Jan 2018.
That said, I've seen enough. I no longer have confidence that he is right for this job.
Play calling and game management clearly are areas that need improvement. It may be that the "character" aspect is wearing thin as a means of holding the team together. At this point the NYG may need an injection of a Col Tom or Big Tuna attitude.
(I'm also hanging in with Bettcher for a while.)
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
He turned out ok.
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
This x100
I said, we're fucked.
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
That's what I'm getting at here, all I remember during that time of misery in early 2018 was Patricia and Shurmur.
I don't remember much else.
I'd still like him to turn it around and be the guy.... but I've kinda lost faith at this point.
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
He was replacing McAdoo.
I know. 2-3-1 seems like heaven on earth, plus they play in a tough division this year. Even though I'm not too crazy over Dallas and Philly this year, they're still way ahead of the Giants.
Well he plays in the NFC North and got absolutely hosed in the Packers game. This Lions team is going to finish very strong, book it. They have a get right game next week.
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what were the alternatives?
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
He was replacing McAdoo.
I understand that. But we are still looking. Tom Coughlin was the last real head coach we had in here, and honestly, I think it's becoming clearer that he wasn't the real problem with what was going on. Tom Coughlin with a little off his fastball is still better than most guys we will get to replace him. But I don't want to trigger Greg with that and get into an argument. That's just my opinion.
If Cower wants to come out retirement or Saban wants another shot at the NFL or if the pipe dream of luring BB away from the Pats were to be options - then sure - fire PS.
But firing PS and expecting some johnny come lately, hot shot college coach that has some level of success in bring SW Alabama Tech to the Rice Roni bowl to come in turn this program around is just setting the process back - again.
If Cower wants to come out retirement or Saban wants another shot at the NFL or if the pipe dream of luring BB away from the Pats were to be options - then sure - fire PS.
But firing PS and expecting some johnny come lately, hot shot college coach that has some level of success in bring SW Alabama Tech to the Rice Roni bowl to come in turn this program around is just setting the process back - again.
Definitely a terrible idea firing a head coach without an exit strategy like Reese and Mcadoo. Accorssi played it like a champ firing Fassell with Coughlin waiting in the wings.
Frankly, there really weren't any outstanding candidates at the time...
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what were the alternatives?
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
He was replacing McAdoo.
I understand that. But we are still looking. Tom Coughlin was the last real head coach we had in here, and honestly, I think it's becoming clearer that he wasn't the real problem with what was going on. Tom Coughlin with a little off his fastball is still better than most guys we will get to replace him. But I don't want to trigger Greg with that and get into an argument. That's just my opinion.
Coughlin was batting around .500 with shit rosters, I'll take that anyday.
One point I noted was that Belichick also failed as Browns HC, so I was not going to hold that against Shurmur.
Mike Smith was Redskins Fassell level bottom of the barell. Even Hue Jackson told Reese and Mara/Tisch to fuckoff I prefer Cleveland.
If Cower wants to come out retirement or Saban wants another shot at the NFL or if the pipe dream of luring BB away from the Pats were to be options - then sure - fire PS.
But firing PS and expecting some johnny come lately, hot shot college coach that has some level of success in bring SW Alabama Tech to the Rice Roni bowl to come in turn this program around is just setting the process back - again.
Good post. Barring catastrophe, and despite the tone of the board we aren't there yet, they should ride it out with Shurmur another year. I've seen this movie before where we scapegoat one guy and then move on to the next guy after that doesn't work out with our entire FO having either one foot in or out the door at all times. We'd be perpetuating the cycle that got us here. Shurmur needs to get better though and he needs to start delegating some responsibilities for that to happen. He doesn't have it and he'll never have it when it comes to his decision making in criticual situations. As an organization, you can help him there though.
The best plan is to hold Shurmur and DG equally accountable and give them their 3 years.
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after 2 years of coaching a team that has zero talent - including a year hamstrung by a QB well past his prime...it's got to be for someone that's a slam dunk.
If Cower wants to come out retirement or Saban wants another shot at the NFL or if the pipe dream of luring BB away from the Pats were to be options - then sure - fire PS.
But firing PS and expecting some johnny come lately, hot shot college coach that has some level of success in bring SW Alabama Tech to the Rice Roni bowl to come in turn this program around is just setting the process back - again.
Good post. Barring catastrophe, and despite the tone of the board we aren't there yet, they should ride it out with Shurmur another year. I've seen this movie before where we scapegoat one guy and then move on to the next guy after that doesn't work out with our entire FO having either one foot in or out the door at all times. We'd be perpetuating the cycle that got us here. Shurmur needs to get better though and he needs to start delegating some responsibilities for that to happen. He doesn't have it and he'll never have it when it comes to his decision making in criticual situations. As an organization, you can help him there though.
The best plan is to hold Shurmur and DG equally accountable and give them their 3 years.
I actually agree with this, despite my vote of no confidence in Shurmur.
I view Gettleman as a separate issue and I'm not as down on him as most.
I think more than anything is that our players just suck and they make an average coach look bad. When we won our Superbowls we had players on the team that were the best at their positions or close to it. Right now we have Barkley and thats it. I can't say that we have a HOF type player on O or D or even a top 5 player at any position besides SB. Coaches can only do so much, at some point you need players.
I'll agree that Shurmor is not a great coach but look at what he is working with.
Second choice: Patricia
Will be: shurmur
Didn’t day he was great, being better than shurmur isn’t a high bar
I actually find Betcher an interesting choice for HC. Seems to fix his mistakes, on paper has huge obvious gaps in personnel, meanwhile Shemur can't do shit with two 1000 yard receivers, a 4.4 TE, a HoF RB, and on paper solid OL.
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after 2 years of coaching a team that has zero talent - including a year hamstrung by a QB well past his prime...it's got to be for someone that's a slam dunk.
If Cower wants to come out retirement or Saban wants another shot at the NFL or if the pipe dream of luring BB away from the Pats were to be options - then sure - fire PS.
But firing PS and expecting some johnny come lately, hot shot college coach that has some level of success in bring SW Alabama Tech to the Rice Roni bowl to come in turn this program around is just setting the process back - again.
Good post. Barring catastrophe, and despite the tone of the board we aren't there yet, they should ride it out with Shurmur another year. I've seen this movie before where we scapegoat one guy and then move on to the next guy after that doesn't work out with our entire FO having either one foot in or out the door at all times. We'd be perpetuating the cycle that got us here. Shurmur needs to get better though and he needs to start delegating some responsibilities for that to happen. He doesn't have it and he'll never have it when it comes to his decision making in criticual situations. As an organization, you can help him there though.
The best plan is to hold Shurmur and DG equally accountable and give them their 3 years.
I would also agree. Give both PS and DG three years and if they are still not able to field a competitive team get rid of both and gut the front office including Chris Mara.
We don't need any more half measures
The head coach has replaced the quarterback as the face of the franchise in the modern NFL. The next head coach should be the leader of a top down organizational structure.
Unfortunately, the Giants don't operate that way. They prefer a committee.
PS is Norv Turner 2.0. Good OC, horrible HC
If he wants to hold onto his job, it's probably time he is told to turn over either play calling duties or game management to someone else. He has demonstrated he can't do both at the same time.
He is here for his offensive genius, so is there a way to put someone in his ear telling him when to use timeouts, when to go on fourth and when to punt? Seems embarrassing that an NFL coach struggles with those decisions.
You guys are hysterical if "you think, I think" I have this outlandish sneaking suspicion the Giants management checks out with BBI before making their moves.
Who cares? BBI, I'm guessing. That's why I posted this thread about BBI on ... BBI.
Reich was the guy to hire but was scooped up by Indy after the McDaniels debacle. Not sure if he was ever on the Giants radar though
I fear Shemur is screwing up DJ8s development. He went from Cutcliffe bad things happen when you hold the ball 2.8 seconds (damn fucking straight) to Mara/Tisch/Shemur we need Eli to throw 70% stare down SB for a couple moreasons secondo to get open on screen.
I'd fire him in season and get a head start on it...
I felt they settled for Shurmur.
People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.
I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.
You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.
Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.
How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.
To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.
This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.
People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense.
Haha. OK. So let me guess - we are supposed to just forget his tenure in Cleveland? We are supposed to just forget that his career coaching winning percentage is .303 because what....he will probably turn into Bill Parcells over time? Because hey, the Colts did it? We are supposed to just not actually watch the games and decisions that Shurmur makes on a weekly basis that defy any logic whatsoever? And just say, hey, ya know what, in 4 years he will be a great coach! Yay!
Are you nuts dude?
Tom Coughlin was always going to be hard to replace.
Frank Reich looks like the best coach that was available, but in fairness no one here was really on him.
Naming alternatives is really irrelevant at this point. It’s not BBI’s job to find the HC of the New York Giants, it’s ownership/Gettleman’s job. They failed with Shurmur. Hopefully DG cuts ties quickly like he does with FAs who don’t work out.
And the alternative you were very vocal about is a better choice??
Not that I love him or would go to go to the mat for him. If they decide to can him fine but I'm not pining for it the way so many of you guys are.
People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.
I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.
You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.
Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.
How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.
To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.
This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.
How can you be happy with Shurmur or have any faith in him whatsover. You can make all the excuses you want but ultimately you have to produce in the NFL. He has shown over time he is a losing coach.
I'll come back to this...what is he good at?
Caldwell went 36-28 in four years in Detroit. Had one losing season. People act like Patricia took over a perennial basement dweller or something. At this point they've regressed under him. Though admittedly they are probably better than their record this year.
Wait a minute, I thought because the Giants were down all those guys in New England on the road, on a Thursday night, against a number one defense, that's why they lost? That's why they received credit for hanging in there, right? Then against a shitbox defense, at home; the offensive still cannot do anything spectacular, even with those appreciable missing links all back.
I mean the defense isn't perfect but the D and special teams did spot the team 7 points the last two weeks and the O still only scored 7 points last week and 14 points this week.
Also, what's up with this team and only being capable of putting up single digits in the second half over the years? It's a rare event when they break that 10-point threshold, late in the game.
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But I'm happy with Shurmur and still am. Most of the people saying to fire him can't even spell his name, so whatever.
People who want to fire Shurmur...your opinion sucks. It's not a smart opinion, it's a dumb opinion. It lacks all sense. And people that think Shurmur was a bad hire do not have anything real with which to qualify that statement.
I can say confidently this team is much better under Shurmur than it was under McAdoo. Everything I see in this team says it's pointed in the right direction. Shurmur is the right coach for Jones, and it would be a fuck up of epic proportions to change coaches now or after this season. Like, truly idiotic management of the highest order.
You want a sustained, successful franchise? You want Jones to develop and be a winning, franchise QB capable of taking this team to the playoffs every season? Then you don't change everything on him while he's still very young in his professional career and learning the NFL game. You are going to have to learn to accept losing with rookie QBs making rookie QB mistakes.
Let me tell you chuckleheads about a rookie QB who was a 56% passer, threw 28 INTs in 16 games, but only 12 starts, en route to a 3-13 season. That team was the 1998 Colts, the QB was Peyton Manning, and the HC was Jim Mora.
How many idiot Colts fans do you think there were calling for Irsay and Polian to fire Mora and calling Manning a bust? I'm guessing there were a few. But that didn't happen, the Colts ended up becoming a sustained winner and playoff team, and the following year in 1999, Peyton's sophomore season, he and Mora led the Colts to a 13-3 record and the division.
To change now would be an epic blunder. Shurmur's offense is not the problem. Shurmur isn't dropping passes, Shurmur isn't whiffing on blocks, Shurmur isn't committing penalties, Shurmur isn't holding onto the ball too long.
This team still has roster construction issues, talent deficiencies that can be addressed. But the Giants are a lot closer to a whole team than they were last year, and the right choice is to stay the course.
How can you be happy with Shurmur or have any faith in him whatsover. You can make all the excuses you want but ultimately you have to produce in the NFL. He has shown over time he is a losing coach.
I'll come back to this...what is he good at?
You can point to his record as a coach and that's a pretty shitty way to judge him. Most of his NFL head coaching experience was with the Browns, when his best offensive player was Peyton fucking Hillis. You're talking arguably about the worst franchise and ownership in the NFL when they had probably the worst roster in the NFL his two seasons there. His QBs his first season were Seneca Wallace and Colt McCoy. His second season it was a rookie Brandon Weeden. And we would act just like the perennial loser Browns by firing a head coach bringing along a rookie QB with a lot of potential, as well as damaging Daniel Jones' development.
It's moronic. You have to be more patient. This isn't instant gratification. This is an investment. If there isn't significant progress next season then I will say it's time to consider making a change.
As for what ails this team, it's on field execution and roster limitations. As for what Shurmur is good at, he's good at developing QBs, he's good at developing a successful offensive system. He's proven in both of these systems. And Daniel Jones looks a lot better in his first 5 games than the strong majority of rookie QBs in their first 5 games, but NO ONE is giving Shurmur credit for this. It's insane.
Boy was I wrong and I think he is horrible since Preseason. Defensive, entitled and poor motivator.
Exactly. Think about this - the Lions have been barely better than the Giants despite having a legit star QB while the Giants have had end-of-the-line Eli and a rookie starting for them.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement of Matt Patricia.
SFG..I think the Giants the last several years have you needing an intervention by AA.
Pete Carroll, lol?
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I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.
Tom Coughlin was an offensive guy.
I actually find Betcher an interesting choice for HC. Seems to fix his mistakes, on paper has huge obvious gaps in personnel, meanwhile Shemur can't do shit with two 1000 yard receivers, a 4.4 TE, a HoF RB, and on paper solid OL.
Look how stupid this post is. Two thousand yard receivers? His #1 receiver is 31 year old Golden Tate. That's the worst #1 receiver in the NFL. And all of those guys you've mentioned have missed significant parts of this season, and at no time have they all been on the field together. The point is, he hasn't had all that for one actual game.
And on paper OL means nothing. On paper? Who cares about on paper? They need to perform, and they aren't doing it. It's not anyone's fault that Remmers is playing extremely poorly, except for Remmers, barring an undisclosed injury.
Remmers has been TERRIBLE. Solder has been up and down, sometimes terrible himself. The team is a young team with a lot of rookies playing key roles making rookie mistakes, with the Daniel Jones playing the most important role, making rookie mistakes. And you want that. You want some failure for him to learn from. He's been an NFL player for 7 games, starting only 5, and playing the most important position on the field, the one position that has the most responsibility for a team winning or losing.
Let me give you an analogy. I love poker. So say you have the AK of spades and the board runs out 4 of spades, 7 of spades, A of diamonds, then turn is K of hearts, and river is 8 of spades. So you turned top two pair into the Ace high flush on the river, and obviously you have been betting and getting called the whole way. Now you bet your big flush and your opponent raises all-in. You absolutely call here every time, your opponent turns over 5-6 of spades for the straight flush, and you lose.
The point here is we've been dealt a VERY good hand with Daniel Jones and a lot of other talented young players on this roster, like Saquon and Dexter Lawrence and so on. But right now, the other teams have a better hand than us most of the time, and we are SUPPOSED TO LOSE, just like with A-K there. It might suck, but you take your licks, you keep playing the right way, and the next several times (seasons), you cash in big. That's where the Giants are at. They are doing a lot of things right organizationally, but still aren't quite there from a competitive standpoint to put together winning seasons. It's not a bad thing, it's not a good thing, it's just the process.
I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.
No garbage Giant game is complete without the "the Giants were bad in the 70s" Boomer follow-up speech. You guys would think by now EVERY Giant under the sun has heard that already. Nah.
Well guess what? With 5 out of the last 6 losing seasons (and very likely 6 out of 7) and going on 8 years without a playoff win, this is ugly football.
My God, STFU about it already. We get it, you saw them suck 40 years ago and guess what? They suck now. What does your memories from four decades ago got to do with the price of tea in MetLife Stadium?
Does that mean I get to start yapping about 2017 for no reason in 2047? What a stupid ass, pointlessly aimed thing to say each and every time.
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DJ and Saquon (on a bad ankle and sloppy) played their first game together yesterday. The rebuild will take longer than 5 games. Still a lot of holes to fill. This year is about letting DJ get experience and to evaluate personnel. If you cannot watch ugly football then watch golf on Sundays. I have lived through this from late 60’s to the mid- 80’s and it is not fun. It is way too early to fire all the coaches and GM and start over.
I would love to see a list of GM and HC from the complainers on BBI. Very easy to complain.
No garbage Giant game is complete without the "the Giants were bad in the 70s" Boomer follow-up speech. You guys would think by now EVERY Giant under the sun has heard that already. Nah.
Well guess what? With 5 out of the last 6 losing seasons (and very likely 6 out of 7) and going on 8 years without a playoff win, this is ugly football.
My God, STFU about it already. We get it, you saw them suck 40 years ago and guess what? They suck now. What does your memories from four decades ago got to do with the price of tea in MetLife Stadium?
Does that mean I get to start yapping about 2017 for no reason in 2047? What a stupid ass, pointlessly aimed thing to say each and every time.
I love this new age-ist trend of bashing boomers (and I'm not a boomer). The tendency to denigrate an entire generation of people (mostly by millennials) is disgusting.
I think what he was rightfully saying is that having gone through extended periods of losing Giants football, overreacting to a losing season this year, when we are just now starting to get the pieces to turn it around is foolish. And the last 8 years has nothing to do with this year. We are a team in full transition from the Eli Manning era to a new era. It may not work out, but the team is better than it was a year ago and much, much better than it was two years ago.
I'm saying that because it's true, it's the same tiresome lecture about yesteryear, how we have no reason to complain, spoiled because of a Super Bowl from over 10 years ago, etc. I could see mentioning those bad years but its ALL the time, serving those loser years as some lecturing point time and time again. You'd think this go-to mention of the 70s for the past almost ten years might set off a light bulb that we're in a CONTEMPORARY losing rut, but nope. Same thing every other day.
I did not ask to be born when I was born haha.
I wavered a bit during the game yesterday, but I think Shurmur should get 2020. It's the other coaches on staff I'm not sure about, other than the Special Teams coach.
But yes if they go 6-10, I'll just be glad and excited for the next year because, yeah! Moral victories and were all blessed by the lord's prayers that it's not the 70s! Some awfully low bar we have around here.
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Please punch yourself in the neck.
I actually find Betcher an interesting choice for HC. Seems to fix his mistakes, on paper has huge obvious gaps in personnel, meanwhile Shemur can't do shit with two 1000 yard receivers, a 4.4 TE, a HoF RB, and on paper solid OL.
Look how stupid this post is. Two thousand yard receivers? His #1 receiver is 31 year old Golden Tate. That's the worst #1 receiver in the NFL. And all of those guys you've mentioned have missed significant parts of this season, and at no time have they all been on the field together. The point is, he hasn't had all that for one actual game.
And on paper OL means nothing. On paper? Who cares about on paper? They need to perform, and they aren't doing it. It's not anyone's fault that Remmers is playing extremely poorly, except for Remmers, barring an undisclosed injury.
Remmers has been TERRIBLE. Solder has been up and down, sometimes terrible himself. The team is a young team with a lot of rookies playing key roles making rookie mistakes, with the Daniel Jones playing the most important role, making rookie mistakes. And you want that. You want some failure for him to learn from. He's been an NFL player for 7 games, starting only 5, and playing the most important position on the field, the one position that has the most responsibility for a team winning or losing.
Let me give you an analogy. I love poker. So say you have the AK of spades and the board runs out 4 of spades, 7 of spades, A of diamonds, then turn is K of hearts, and river is 8 of spades. So you turned top two pair into the Ace high flush on the river, and obviously you have been betting and getting called the whole way. Now you bet your big flush and your opponent raises all-in. You absolutely call here every time, your opponent turns over 5-6 of spades for the straight flush, and you lose.
The point here is we've been dealt a VERY good hand with Daniel Jones and a lot of other talented young players on this roster, like Saquon and Dexter Lawrence and so on. But right now, the other teams have a better hand than us most of the time, and we are SUPPOSED TO LOSE, just like with A-K there. It might suck, but you take your licks, you keep playing the right way, and the next several times (seasons), you cash in big. That's where the Giants are at. They are doing a lot of things right organizationally, but still aren't quite there from a competitive standpoint to put together winning seasons. It's not a bad thing, it's not a good thing, it's just the process.
so what does that mean, we will sign Saquon, Daniel and Lawrence to big contracts and then surround them with garbage FA's and some sewing thread? This f'ing team hangs on to people for too long, whether it is players or coaches. I must say one thing however, if I am Saquon I would be looking at my oline, my win/loss column and wondering could I do better elsewhere in a short period of time if something is not corrected damn fast.
He'd be a huge improvement.
Reich was the guy to hire but was scooped up by Indy after the McDaniels debacle. Not sure if he was ever on the Giants radar though
How many times are you going to post this false bullshit? This was confirmed to be false as it was suggested by someone at ESPN with no sources. The actual people with sources confirmed that Patricia was not high on the Giants list.
I had actually heard that the Giants liked McDaniels more than Patricia.
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I jest....I jest
He'd be a huge improvement.
Yeah, the guy whose team couldn't score more than 30 points for basically his entire tenure. The guy who had his offense finish 30th in 3rd down conversion out of 32 teams for 2 years straight. The coach whose scoring offense was 27th and 31st in the NFL in his two miserable seasons here? That guy? By every measurable standard, the Giants improved from McAdoo to Shurmur.