for display only
Big Blue Interactive The Corner Forum  
Back to the Corner

Archived Thread

Anatomy of Chase Edmond’s Three TD Runs

M.S. : 10/21/2019 12:54 pm
First TD: 20 Yards to the Left:

(1) Cards are in Shotgun with just Edmunds in backfield to the right of Kyler Murray
(2) TE in-line on left; 2 WRs split out right
(3) Looks like Giants are in “standard” 3-4 with Oshane Ximines on the strong side with his hand in the dirt
(4) Cardinals WR Damiere Byrd comes in motion left to right and at the snap Murray gives Edmunds the ball on an inside hand-off to the left;
(5) Both Guards and Center pull left;
(6) I suppose the “good news” is that neither DeAndre Baker nor Grant Haley were fooled on the play and moved up toward the LOS on the left;
(7) The “bad news” is that both of our CBs went too wide and thus DeAndre Baker was easily washed out toward the sideline by the pulling guard Justin Pugh and Grant Haley by the pulling Center A.Q. Shipley.
(8) Of the two, maybe Grant Haley gets a little more blame because maybe he should have spaced himself a little more to the inside from Baker
(9) Oshane Ximnes did not help matters as he attacked the TE’s inside shoulder thus ceiling himself inside and allowing Edmunds a soft corner
(10) But from what I can tell the ugliest Giant on this play was #72 Olsen Pierre who was lined up in a 3-point stance inside the X-man and between the left tackle (D.J. Humphries) and the left guard (Pugh);
(11) At the snap, Humphries blocked down on Pierre, sealing him to the inside and shoving him 2 / 3 yards downfield;
(12) And that was the coup de grace since a backward skating Pierre shielded off Jabril Peppers to the inside as well. Only Peppers had a legitimate shot IMO of stopping that run.
(13) But ya gotta tip your hat to the Cards… they created the same tremendous slot that the Giants executed for Tiki Barber dozens of times way back when.

Second TD: 20 Yards up the Middle

(1) Cards have 5-man line with their TE #85 Charles Clay lined up in the backfield to the right (and in front) of Kyler Murray, who’s in a shotgun with Edmunds directly behind him
(2) Cards have two receivers to the right and one to the left
(3) Giants have two down linemen and two outside LBs standing up at the LOS; in all 8 defenders in the box
(4) The first devastating move is when their Center A.Q. Shipley side-steps to the left and squeezes past Dexter Lawrence in order to get to the second level
(5) Also, the TE out of the backfield gets to the second level where he obliterates #47 Alec Ogletree while Shipley screens then pushes to the ground Jabril Peppers
(6) And then the coup de grace as #41 Antoine Bethea falls off a leg tackle opening the field for a walk-in TD;
(7) I suppose credit is due to Kyler Murray who may have freezed the defense by standing completely still with the ball before a reverse pivot hand-off draw
(8) Not sure but maybe the Giants were in the perfect defense for the Cards to run this play since the entire right middle of the Giants LOS opened up like the red sea, allowing first Shipley and Clay to run unimpeded to the second level and then for Edmunds to simply follow them
(9) Dexter Lawrence certainly didn’t help matters by charging to his right thus creating a HUMONGOUS hole between him and Lorenzo Carter who looked like he had outside contain;


Third TD: 22 Yards to the Left

(1) Has a lot of similarities to the first TD run
(2) Like the first TD, Cards are in Shotgun with just Edmunds in backfield to the right of Kyler Murray
(3) And like the first TD, Cards TE in-line on left with 2 WRs split out right
(4) Giants have Dalvin Tomlinson lined up between the Right Guard and the Center; and Dexter Lawrence between the Center and Left Guard
(5) Markus Golden is in a 3-point stance directly over the Right Tackle and Lorenzo Carter (on the other end) is standing up on the outside left shoulder of the TE;
(6) In other words, there is a huge gap (two full holes) between Lorenzo Carter and Dexter Lawrence which is exactly where Edmunds ran the ball
(7) At the snap Center Shipley and Left Guard Pugh pulled left
(8) Pugh obliterated Lorenzo Carter knocking him on his ass to the outside
(9) It looks to me as though Dexter Lawrence recognized the play and slanted to his right but he got sealed off to the inside by a down block from the Left Tackle #74 D.J. Humphries
(10) Jabril Peppers was playing LBer on the inside of Lorenzo Carter, so he is standing exactly in the slot where Edmunds is headed
(11) Unfortunately, Peppers ran his ass right out of the play swinging way too far to the outside, allowing the TE #87 Maxx Williams to easily seal him off. But the truth is that Jabrill Peppers sealed himself off
(12) So that left #55 ILB David Mayo with the only reasonable chance of stopping this run before it got going
(13) At the snap, Mayo was just to the inside of Peppers and Mayo properly diagnosed the play, but just as he was about to nail Edmunds, Shipley came around and just barely screened him off to the inside
(14) Edmunds just barely squeezed through a paper thin crack; but once he was through it was clear sailing with only Antoine Bethea having a prayer of stopping him. Bethea never touched him
(15) Once again, gotta tip your hat to a beautifully executed blocking scheme to the left that the Giants helped by being a little too over-loaded to the other side
(16) Can’t really blame just one player, but IMO Peppers really did not look good running himself out of the play.
Young players are struggling with their assignments  
JonC : 10/21/2019 1:03 pm : link
I'm seeing what looks like gap guessing on some, flat out blowing others, failure to find the football, conditioning issues, simply getting blown out of their gaps/lanes, etc. Carter and Ximines are easily crushed and failing to contain which surrenders the edge and often 10+ yards in gains. AO is a huge guessing culprit and Peppers was yesterday as well.
We need LB  
GiantsRage2007 : 10/21/2019 1:06 pm : link
Someone earlier here said we play a 3-4 but we don't have any 4

Watch Dallas last night, holy hell they have great LB play
Excellent detail ... thank you.  
Spider56 : 10/21/2019 1:16 pm : link
My comments ... PS and Bettcher were totally outsmarted by Klinsbury ...they were fixated on stopping Murray by playing 2 DL most of the game with OLB on the line for containment. The new approach was a bomb and made a kid from Fordham, yes FORDHAM look like Barry Sanders. 24 hrs has not eased my frustration with these coaching clowns. They need to be send packing ASAP.
RE: Young players are struggling with their assignments  
lecky : 10/21/2019 1:47 pm : link
In comment 14638905 JonC said:
Quote:
I'm seeing what looks like gap guessing on some, flat out blowing others, failure to find the football, conditioning issues, simply getting blown out of their gaps/lanes, etc. Carter and Ximines are easily crushed and failing to contain which surrenders the edge and often 10+ yards in gains. AO is a huge guessing culprit and Peppers was yesterday as well.


More like confusion. They seem to come into the game with no idea what they are supposed to do and then they never make the proper adjustments. How did we get stuck with these coaches?
What I just read  
Thegratefulhead : 10/21/2019 1:53 pm : link
We suck at defense. Also. It sucks to suck.
Definitely I'm seeing a loss in gap integrity...  
M.S. : 10/21/2019 1:58 pm : link

...and I'm also seeing players running themselves out of position, not to mention missed tackles. And I'm seeing the Giants in defensive formations that seem to play right into the hands of the offense.

I like Lorenzo Carter rushing the QB, but the idea of him holding the edge is very scary. And I like Jabrill Peppers' athleticism and enthusiasm, but I don't think he has the bandwidth to fully process what is going on in front of him.

Putting aside these three TD runs, I feel the Giants are desperate for both an Edge pass rush presence and the type of ILBer who can not only go sideline to sideline, but has the power and instincts to step up into holes to nail plays before they even get started. We have NOTHING that comes close to resembling that type of player.
RE: Excellent detail ... thank you.  
M.S. : 10/21/2019 2:01 pm : link
In comment 14638928 Spider56 said:
Quote:
My comments ... PS and Bettcher were totally outsmarted by Klinsbury ...they were fixated on stopping Murray by playing 2 DL most of the game with OLB on the line for containment. The new approach was a bomb and made a kid from Fordham, yes FORDHAM look like Barry Sanders. 24 hrs has not eased my frustration with these coaching clowns. They need to be send packing ASAP.

I think you are dead on about the concern over Kyler Murray running free all day! And I am with you about this coaching staff. There has got to be a different cast who can teach and inspire these players to DO BETTER!
Lorenzo Carter  
JonC : 10/21/2019 2:07 pm : link
played with his head firmly up his arse yesterday, what a dumb performance.
Thank you, disagree slightly  
V.I.G. : 10/21/2019 2:15 pm : link
We're guessing at the assignment

1) TD 1
-This was Peppers
-He got caught following the motion guy (but that was Ogletree's responsibility.
-His key should have been the TE
-Once the TE blocked that was his gap responsibility

*Yes Pierre blows, he shouldn't see the field.

2) TD2
-Agree completely that it was perfect call for this D

*Bethea still has to make that tackle

3) TD3
-I think that was 1000% on Mayo
-For this D call, Golden dives in and Ogletree quickly moves left as left contain.
-As soon as the guards moved, Mayo should have clogged that lane
-He took a false step, was late and thus the guard got on his right shoulder for the hole
-Peppers was lined up outside of Mayo, I think he correctly had the outside gap

The happiest man in Giants Stadium yesterday was...  
M.S. : 10/21/2019 2:56 pm : link

...Justin Pugh who played a significant role in two of these TD runs. On the first he easily shoved DeAndre Baker to the sideline and on the third he planted Lo Carter into the ground.

Payback is a bitch.
Maybe the guy from Fordham  
wonderback : 10/21/2019 3:46 pm : link
is a lot better than you think. (says a guy from Fordham.)
RE: Maybe the guy from Fordham  
M.S. : 10/21/2019 4:29 pm : link
In comment 14639215 wonderback said:
Quote:
is a lot better than you think. (says a guy from Fordham.)

Seven Blocks of Granite:

Leo Paquin
Johnny Druze
Alex Wojciechowicz
Ed Franco
Al Babartsky
Natty Pierce
Vince Lombardi
RE: We need LB  
micky : 10/21/2019 5:08 pm : link
In comment 14638911 GiantsRage2007 said:
Quote:
Someone earlier here said we play a 3-4 but we don't have any 4

Watch Dallas last night, holy hell they have great LB play


Their lb'ers are frick'n fast to the ball quickly
I will say that Bethea...  
BamaBlue : 10/21/2019 5:11 pm : link
makes up for a lack of speed with the inability to tackle. He's the imperfect package... worth every dime (to Giants opponents).
RE: I will say that Bethea...  
Jay on the Island : 10/21/2019 5:34 pm : link
In comment 14639412 BamaBlue said:
Quote:
makes up for a lack of speed with the inability to tackle. He's the imperfect package... worth every dime (to Giants opponents).

Add in the horrible angles he takes and hesitation in picking up his man in zone. At 2-5 we need to send him to the bench and insert Love or even Chandler into the starting lineup.
RE: Thank you, disagree slightly  
gmenatlarge : 10/21/2019 6:23 pm : link
In comment 14639035 V.I.G. said:
Quote:
We're guessing at the assignment

1) TD 1
-This was Peppers
-He got caught following the motion guy (but that was Ogletree's responsibility.
-His key should have been the TE
-Once the TE blocked that was his gap responsibility

*Yes Pierre blows, he shouldn't see the field.

2) TD2
-Agree completely that it was perfect call for this D

*Bethea still has to make that tackle

3) TD3
-I think that was 1000% on Mayo
-For this D call, Golden dives in and Ogletree quickly moves left as left contain.
-As soon as the guards moved, Mayo should have clogged that lane
-He took a false step, was late and thus the guard got on his right shoulder for the hole
-Peppers was lined up outside of Mayo, I think he correctly had the outside gap


Will give AZ some credit as all three of those plays were well-blocked with the giants safeties taking bad angles, but that doesn’t absolve the D as nobody fought through a block!
Recipe for last year's draft  
idiotsavant : 10/21/2019 6:36 pm : link
Was DT,ILB, FS,FS. In any order.

That remains; whereas we all agree that Dexter is a good pick and great team member, we also need one.more DT, either the blue goose Aaron Donald Ed Oliver "penetrator +" or one oversized NT to free up the other bigs and get the skinny ones off the field.

Once again, we could easily go D 1,2,3,4.



Back to the Corner