First, I want to be clear, I am happy we have Daniel Jones. I was happy we picked a QB at 6 and I am hopeful by what we have seen overall, so far.
But as I said on another post, it is conceivable the Giants could have gotten two firsts for their 2018 #2 and gotten Lamar Jackson and Nick Chubb. And then in 2019 gotten Josh Allen.
Looking in hindsight I think:
Lamar Jackson, Nick Chubb, Josh Allen & gt; Barkley and Jones.
Do you agree? Of course it requires going all-in remaking the team to suit Lamar's strengths. But I think most objective observers would agree with me.
They prefer pocket passers.
i hearya... but Lamar right now is the best player from that 2018 draft, imo. He went into Seattle and beat the Hawks. He is a difference maker, even though his passing stats are pedestrian. And he is the same as as DJ, let's keep this in mind.
They prefer pocket passers.
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i hearya... but Lamar right now is the best player from that 2018 draft, imo. He went into Seattle and beat the Hawks. He is a difference maker, even though his passing stats are pedestrian. And he is the same as as DJ, let's keep this in mind.
I disagree. Saquon is still the best player from that 2018 Draft. I did, however have Lamar Jackson as my #2 QB in that Draft behind Baker Mayfield so I wouldn't have minded at all if we ended up with Jackson. Not over Saquon, but like trading back into the first round to take him.
High draft capital "Generational RBs" can't win by themselves.
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i hearya... but Lamar right now is the best player from that 2018 draft, imo. He went into Seattle and beat the Hawks. He is a difference maker, even though his passing stats are pedestrian. And he is the same as as DJ, let's keep this in mind.
I disagree. Saquon is still the best player from that 2018 Draft. I did, however have Lamar Jackson as my #2 QB in that Draft behind Baker Mayfield so I wouldn't have minded at all if we ended up with Jackson. Not over Saquon, but like trading back into the first round to take him.
I respectfully disagree. I love SB but I worry he is not the type of back that will have sustained success in the NFL unlike Nick Chubb and Zeke. He is more athletically gifted than those guys, though those guys are fabulous specimens too, but they seem to be more effective between the tackles and that's not really SB's strength.
But I think right now I would conclude Lamar is the biggest difference maker out of that draft. His performance yesterday was unreal. He took apart Seattle with his running ability.
High draft capital "Generational RBs" can't win by themselves.
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i agree about not spending such a high pick on a RB, especially when you can get Chubb for a low first.
If Jackson was here he would probably look terrible with this supporting cast too.
I was Duped!
Other teams draft system fits. Don't the Giants get to draft a system fit?
Agree that the Giants like pocket passers but Jones can beat you with his legs, which wasn't true of Manning, Warner, Collins, or the parade of bad QBs who preceded Collins, with the exception of Hostetler. It's not an "outside the box" choice but it's an evolution of their approach.
What's the point of this post? We didn't have an offer for two 1st round picks.
Do you really think a QB like that is a great player? He's afforded the ability to not have to throw by having a very good D and a very good OL.
Not sure how he'd fare being down 2 scores for most of the game....
His impact on his team is greater than any other player from the last two drafts. The Ravens have been one of the best offenses in football since he took over.
And it's funny to see people here knocking him. If he was on the Giants we'd all be going nuts over him.
Their record is, I think, 11-4 since he became the QB (including the playoff game).
The guy will finish in the top ten or better off the MVP balloting this year. Actually, now that Mahomes is out here might have a legit shot at winning it.
We had no shot at Bosa
His impact on his team is greater than any other player from the last two drafts. The Ravens have been one of the best offenses in football since he took over.
And it's funny to see people here knocking him. If he was on the Giants we'd all be going nuts over him.
Their record is, I think, 11-4 since he became the QB (including the playoff game).
The guy will finish in the top ten or better off the MVP balloting this year. Actually, now that Mahomes is out here might have a legit shot at winning it.
100% correct. He is the biggest impact player drafted in the last two years. There is literally no question about it. It is weird folks are bashing him. If we had him we would be over the moon. He has been so special that without him Balt would probably be 1-6 instead of 6-1. He is very much in the mvp running, he is likely to break the record for rushing yds by a QB.
It is correct to point out that he has yet to show that he can win strictly as a passer vs good defenses. We'll have to wait and see how the Ravens deal with this, but to say Jones at this stage is better or has better prospects than Lamar, there is no justification for it. These two players are the same age. Jones was pretty bad yesterday against a beatable defense at home. Lamar dominated the Seahawks in their house. Plain and simple there is no comparison between these two players, at this stage.
It is also fair to point out however, that to make it work with Lamar the coaching staff has to reconfigure the offense to suit his unconventional style.
His impact on his team is greater than any other player from the last two drafts. The Ravens have been one of the best offenses in football since he took over.
And it's funny to see people here knocking him. If he was on the Giants we'd all be going nuts over him.
Their record is, I think, 11-4 since he became the QB (including the playoff game).
The guy will finish in the top ten or better off the MVP balloting this year. Actually, now that Mahomes is out here might have a legit shot at winning it.
The Ravens should be winning. They were a 9-7 team before he got there in a much tougher division. The division is extremely weak right now.
No we wouldn't be going nuts over him. His style of play isn't sustainable. His last 6 games he's got 9 TDs with 5 INTs and 4 fumbles. What would we be going crazy over?
As Big Blue 56 points out we had no shot at Bosa but...
I would take Lamar, Chubb and Allen over Darnold and Bosa.
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There is no "he needs to develop" talk with him. Baltimore is a Super Bowl contender for in part to Jackson running the offense. He is never going to be a great passer, but he doesn't have to be.
His impact on his team is greater than any other player from the last two drafts. The Ravens have been one of the best offenses in football since he took over.
And it's funny to see people here knocking him. If he was on the Giants we'd all be going nuts over him.
Their record is, I think, 11-4 since he became the QB (including the playoff game).
The guy will finish in the top ten or better off the MVP balloting this year. Actually, now that Mahomes is out here might have a legit shot at winning it.
The Ravens should be winning. They were a 9-7 team before he got there in a much tougher division. The division is extremely weak right now.
No we wouldn't be going nuts over him. His style of play isn't sustainable. His last 6 games he's got 9 TDs with 5 INTs and 4 fumbles. What would we be going crazy over?
i highly suggest you watch the Seattle-Ravens game from yesterday to see for yourself why he is special. He is the greatest running QB in the history of the game. You may say that it is unsustainable, but right now it is winning against good teams, and the kid is 22.
if he were a Giant, people would be lamenting the fact that he couldn't throw the ball, will soon get hurt by a hit, and wondering why the GM didn't have better WR's for him.
We had a successful QB here and he took shit daily.
But drafting a running back with the #2 overall pick in my mind is akin to malpractice.
why don't you watch the fucking game. His ability to run and improvise blew that game open.
Their defense is not that good this season, if we're being honest.
did you watch yesterday's game?
Watching the games might be advice you'd want to take too.
People love QB's who can run the ball. But you do realize their main job is to actually throw it and very few run-first QB's have had team success.
They have the 3rd best rushing D in the NFL.
And in a game where their QB "dominated" by going 9-20 in the air, they scored 2 TD's!!
What the fuck are you watching?
Watching the games might be advice you'd want to take too.
People love QB's who can run the ball. But you do realize their main job is to actually throw it and very few run-first QB's have had team success.
i have always agreed that the best qbs win in the pocket but the Ravens are out to prove that they can win with a QB like Lamar. Yesterday they ran single wing concepts for a significant part of the game. Are there going to be bumps in the road? Sure. But they are 6-1 and beating Seattle in their house is no easy feat. Could Daniel Jones do this now? And Lamar doesn't have as much talent around him as you might think. I'm not convinced he is a total game changer yet, but to poo poo it is just misguided. I watch more games than you, I would bet. Something interesting is happening in Baltimore.
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i hearya... but Lamar right now is the best player from that 2018 draft, imo. He went into Seattle and beat the Hawks. He is a difference maker, even though his passing stats are pedestrian. And he is the same as as DJ, let's keep this in mind.
He's not even close to being the best player from the 2018 draft. Context is everything, and Baltimore are very strong on their offensive line and play to Jackson's strengths. They're a smart organisation, but if you watch Jackson, he really doesn't throw the ball well.
As I've posted elsewhere recently, if our front office had actually correctly assessed where the Giants are, then you could argue that Barkley is an unnecessary luxury. Gettleman said he couldn't get excited by any of the 2018 QB's. So, he couldn't get excited by Sam Darnold, but is excited by Daniel Jones. Really? Imagine we had drafted Darnold. Obviously with our offensive line, he would be having a rough time, but we could have used this year's 6th pick to help with that or at least a pass rusher.
And when they get against a team that can take away the run, they are fucked. Do we need to revisit last year's playoff game?
Because that's the type of teams they will play later on.
OT/DE
CB
Those are the positions you spend top 10 drafts picks on.
The absolute least premium position is RB. The absolute easiest position to fill in the mid rounds to late rounds or even UDFA is RB.
If you've got an excellent OL it might make sense to use a premium pick on a RB. If you don't have a premium OL it is complete malpractice.
The Giants have absolutely no idea have to compete in this NFL. They are an old fashion, low energy out of date back to the 1970's organization.
They have the 3rd best rushing D in the NFL.
And in a game where their QB "dominated" by going 9-20 in the air, they scored 2 TD's!!
What the fuck are you watching?
The Ravens are near the bottom of the league in total yards, bottom half in points allowed, bottom six in yards per play, bottom half in turnovers, 25th in sacks.. this defense is not special.
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What the fuck are you talking about? He completed 45% of his passes for 143 yards. He had 116 yards rushing with 1 TD and 2 fumbles. That's dominating?
why don't you watch the fucking game. His ability to run and improvise blew that game open.
Their Defense scored 2 TDs. One on a horrible INT and the Seahawks Kicker missed a FG. That's why they won.
Lamar Jackson is on pace for:
3762 yds. passing
25 TDs passing
11 INTs
1313 yards rushing
7 TDs rushing
The Ravens have the highest scoring offense in the NFL. They lead the NFL in rushing yardage and total yardage. They lead the NFL in offensive plays run, and they are 10th in defensive plays (they haven't had their bye yet). They have a 5-2 record and look a safe bet to win their division.
Only on BBI, where a diminishing number of posters continue to rationalize the Giants' idiotic decisions these last 2 years, is Lamar Jackson still worthy of skepticism as the league gets ready to "catch up to him".
Like the Giants, some people on this board have become completely lost as modern events have passed them by.
Lamar Jackson is on pace for:
3762 yds. passing
25 TDs passing
11 INTs
1313 yards rushing
7 TDs rushing
The Ravens have the highest scoring offense in the NFL. They lead the NFL in rushing yardage and total yardage. They lead the NFL in offensive plays run, and they are 10th in defensive plays (they haven't had their bye yet). They have a 5-2 record and look a safe bet to win their division.
Only on BBI, where a diminishing number of posters continue to rationalize the Giants' idiotic decisions these last 2 years, is Lamar Jackson still worthy of skepticism as the league gets ready to "catch up to him".
Like the Giants, some people on this board have become completely lost as modern events have passed them by.
We both know those passing numbers are skewed by the Fins game. He had 1 good passing game this year.
I know it's hard to accept that the Barkley pick was a mistake (which is essentially what the thread starter is getting at), but the sooner we all accept the hard truths about the people running this organization, the better for the collective IQ of BBI.
3 players are better than 2? Probably
I know it's hard to accept that the Barkley pick was a mistake (which is essentially what the thread starter is getting at), but the sooner we all accept the hard truths about the people running this organization, the better for the collective IQ of BBI.
bingo.. look nobody thinks Barkley is a bad player. He is a great and exciting player. But yea.. at #2... in the position the Giants were in? Not a smart pick. Would much rather have Chubb late in the first round and another player like Lamar. There is a significant chance that Chubb winds up with the better career as well.
I know it's hard to accept that the Barkley pick was a mistake (which is essentially what the thread starter is getting at), but the sooner we all accept the hard truths about the people running this organization, the better for the collective IQ of BBI.
They were winning games before he was even in the NFL. Sorry I'm not going crazy for a QB who can't throw the ball and is beating up/winning games against shit teams. As we've seen many times running QBs aren't sustainable in the NFL.
He's 9-1 against losing teams and 2-3 against teams with a winning record while completing 51% of his passes against those teams with 7 total TDs, 1 INT and 7 fumbles.