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nygfaninorlando : 10/21/2019 4:35 pm
As it's becoming clear that Shurmur isn't the head coach to lead this franchise, IMO Gettleman will let him go after the season. I even think there's a chance he cuts the cord during the bye week based on the recurring themes discussed on BBI ad nauseam (terrible clock and game management decisions, unimaginative play calling, under utilizing Barkley, career coaching record 20 games under .500 and team coming out flat).

It would be interesting to get BBI's thoughts on who people would like to see as the next head coach. Knowing that the Giants like to keep things "in the family", we'll likely hear names like Matt Rhule and John Fox. I also believe one of Jason Garrett and Sean Payton both with former ties to the Giants will shake free this off season (maybe both if they don't make the NFC championship). Obviously Belichick would be the dream scenario, but not realistic.

After the McAdoo and Shurmur hires, I do think Gettleman and Mara will look for a coach with proven head coaching experience and a winning record, so names like Mike McCarthy and Jim Harbaugh (if let go by Michigan) could be in play. Sure they could also surprise and look to the college ranks but for the purpose of this discussion, which of these coaches makes the most sense. Regular season record, playoff record and age listed for comparison purposes.

John Fox: Record 141-130 regular season (.520) and 8-7 post season (.533). 64 years old.

Jason Garrett: 80-59 regular season (.576) and 2-3 post season (.400). 53 years old.

Mike McCarthy: 125-77-2 regular season (.618) and 10-8 post season (.556). 55 years old.

Sean Payton: 123-75 regular season (.621) and 8-6 post season (.571). 55 years old.

Jim Harbaugh: 44-19-1 regular season (.695) and 5-3 post season (.625). 55 years old.
Didn’t Payton recently sign a 100 year  
Big Blue '56 : 10/21/2019 4:36 pm : link
contract?
i dont like mccarthy  
Platos : 10/21/2019 4:38 pm : link
had no control over Rodgers.
As shitty a coach as Shurmur has proven to be...  
Josh in the City : 10/21/2019 4:41 pm : link
...this franchise is going to be very unwilling to cut the cord after 2 seasons in rebuilding mode. Plus, Mara has made it clear that the GM does not have final say on the coach and that they're two co-equal branches of government on this team. Only person who will be firing Shurmur is Mara and I don't see it happening.
If you want BBI's thoughts on who people would like to see as HC  
Giantology : 10/21/2019 4:42 pm : link
Just scroll down. The board is full of these threads.
This is about...  
outeiroj : 10/21/2019 4:44 pm : link
The 30th thread about a new head coach. And every single time someone posts a new one the person who started in looks dumber than the poster before him.

Fact 1... no one on this board has a say in who the next coach is
Fact 2... your an idiot if you think sitting on your coach qualifies you to pick coaching candidates
Fact 3... Shurmur isn’t going anywhere this year... get over it
Dumb post  
Big_N : 10/21/2019 4:45 pm : link
1. he is not getting fired.
2. He is not getting fired for reasons you gave what basically amounts to Monday morning QBing. That draw play worked against Dallas last year for a 60 yard gain. You didn't think it was unimaginative then.
3. He is not getting fired during a rebuilding year when your other option is yet another new QB or putting a 38 year old Manning back in.
Shurmur ain't going anywhere for a long while  
micky : 10/21/2019 4:46 pm : link
Have to deal with him for a couple seasons
Also  
Big_N : 10/21/2019 4:46 pm : link
I like how your options already listed coaches who already have substantial records and history.

Coaching jobs usually start out with a team that totally sucks and it not from some guy who just won the SB with another team.
There is like a 0% chance he is getting fired  
Essex : 10/21/2019 4:46 pm : link
even after the season.
And....0% the giants have a winning record  
thrunthrublue : 10/21/2019 4:58 pm : link
With their current coaching/scouting regime.
If the Giants finish 4-12  
arniefez : 10/21/2019 4:59 pm : link
Shurmur is gone. 100% gone. Anyone see more than 2 more wins? Pretty much the only thing the Mara's care about is getting embarrassed and just wait to see what goes on vs Dallas and Philadelphia in the s**t box PSL stadium.
RE: If the Giants finish 4-12  
outeiroj : 10/21/2019 5:06 pm : link
In comment 14639387 arniefez said:
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Shurmur is gone. 100% gone. Anyone see more than 2 more wins? Pretty much the only thing the Mara's care about is getting embarrassed and just wait to see what goes on vs Dallas and Philadelphia in the s**t box PSL stadium.


Ok John Mara... you can return to the hole you crawled out of. Stop speaking in absolutes when you have no knowledge of the inner workings of the organization
re opinions  
malslayer : 10/21/2019 5:09 pm : link
I just looked up Pat on Wiki and he has had marked success as an offensive coordinator for the Rams, Vikings, and Eagles. His Stint as head coach of the Browns had him coaching QBs the ilk of Colt Mccoy and Brandon Weeden, and being the browns I'll give him a pass as that measure of success.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Shurmur

That all said everyone has to be accountable for showing progress.

We need to see, regardless of the opponent, progress from DJ in regards to turnover reduction, sack reduction, completion percentage, as the season progresses to provide confidence that he is the real deal and not a reach. And we need to see some closer games, and wins to believe that Shurmur is go forward coach.

For every Mcvay, and MCDermott, Shanahan in SF, you have all the flame outs. Wins are the metric that coaches are graded on. And have not won consistently. Coach has to figure out a way to win with what he's got.
RE: RE: If the Giants finish 4-12  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 10/21/2019 5:10 pm : link
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Stop speaking in absolutes when you have no knowledge of the inner workings of the organization


wow.

Are you that unaware? You just spoke in absolutes 3 posts up Mr. "get over it."
Shurmer would have to  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 10/21/2019 5:12 pm : link
Finish the season with 9 games as frustrating as Sunday for him to even be at risk.

That said I'm really starting to doubt he's the guy. For him to win we'd really need a special roster.
RE: As shitty a coach as Shurmur has proven to be...  
DavidinBMNY : 10/21/2019 5:14 pm : link
In comment 14639351 Josh in the City said:
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...this franchise is going to be very unwilling to cut the cord after 2 seasons in rebuilding mode. Plus, Mara has made it clear that the GM does not have final say on the coach and that they're two co-equal branches of government on this team. Only person who will be firing Shurmur is Mara and I don't see it happening.
Much more likely they replace Betcher with a seasoned 3-4 DC who has proven success in the league at more then 1 team.
2 and 14  
Bradshaw's Decal : 10/21/2019 5:16 pm : link
Would absolutely get him fired... Unfortunately I think they'll end up 4and12...and Shurmur will stay :(
heck anyone with a pulse  
mdc1 : 10/21/2019 5:44 pm : link
would probably help this team. Shurmur looks like he is retired over on the sideline.
RE: 2 and 14  
mdc1 : 10/21/2019 5:49 pm : link
In comment 14639423 Bradshaw's Decal said:
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Would absolutely get him fired... Unfortunately I think they'll end up 4and12...and Shurmur will stay :(


maybe so, but the we are far worse than the losing record when you carefully look at what is going on on the field
Shurmur  
Archer : 10/21/2019 6:21 pm : link
Is it possible that Shurmur relinquishes the play calling?

He is awful.

i think 3-13 under mcadoo/spagnuolo  
japanhead : 10/21/2019 6:38 pm : link
was the worst record in franchise history. it's looking like shurmur will come close to duplicating that, and for the second year in a row. not sure mara will intervene to save his job if gettleman wants to move on from him.

RE: As shitty a coach as Shurmur has proven to be...  
Mike Graves : 10/21/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14639351 Josh in the City said:
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...this franchise is going to be very unwilling to cut the cord after 2 seasons in rebuilding mode. Plus, Mara has made it clear that the GM does not have final say on the coach and that they're two co-equal branches of government on this team. Only person who will be firing Shurmur is Mara and I don't see it happening.



the cardinals fired Wilks after one year dont want to hear the rebuilding excuse, this guy is a losing head coach they need to move on from him,
RE: Shurmur ain't going anywhere for a long while  
Mike Graves : 10/21/2019 6:53 pm : link
In comment 14639361 micky said:
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Have to deal with him for a couple seasons


the same was said for Mccadoo all we heard was he won 11 games he is not going anywhere.
I wouldn't mind  
tomdif21 : 10/21/2019 7:45 pm : link
Dan Cambell
Hire Magnus Carlson  
gtt350 : 10/21/2019 8:24 pm : link
no joke
RE: Shurmur  
santacruzom : 10/22/2019 4:47 am : link
In comment 14639535 Archer said:
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Is it possible that Shurmur relinquishes the play calling?

He is awful.


Probably not, but I'd love to see his horrid reaction when asked if he'd consider doing so by the beat writers.
If they were to fire him, I think they would  
St. Jimmy : 10/22/2019 5:03 am : link
bring in Mike McCarthy since he is the veteran head coach who matches Mara's West Coast Offense obsession. Since he coached the Packers, he would be viewed as a safe pick which the Giants would want after going the coordinator route and ending up with two terrible coaches.
Jim Harbaugh  
KingBlue : 10/22/2019 11:24 am : link
If Michigan loses to Ohio State again and I believe they will, Harbaugh could be in jeopardy. I don't think he would consider another college post.

I couldn't stand him when he coached the 49ers, too whiny, weird... but he has a successful NFL stint under his belt.

He would be at the top of the list for me.
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