Said that while Jones "can move around in the pocket a little," he's not accurate on deep balls just as at Duke.
I'm sorry, but are he and I watching the same games (if he's even watching at all)? Yes, he fumbles too much, we all know that, but I've been very impressed by Jones's accuracy at all levels and his ability to get the ball into covered receivers. His long throw to Engram down the right side was right on the money, and Engram simply dropped it. That may look on the stat sheet like a 10-yard overthrow to someone who didn't watch the game, but to me his comments reeked of someone who had a low opinion of Jones and doesn't want to be proven wrong.
Or do I have rose-colored glasses?
Everything you just said has nothing to do with the question he asked about downfield throws lol
Not sure what film this guys is reviewing, DJs downfield throws are the least of his problems.
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Jones has not been very good for the last several games. All the highlight reel throws do not make up for the fumbling, ints, and lack of pocket presence. He is a growing rookie and I think many have "anointed" him to quickly as Parcells used to say. We need to see what we have and whether he will stop doing this rookie things or else I am seriously looking at much better QB talent in the upcoming draft.
Everything you just said has nothing to do with the question he asked about downfield throws lol
Not sure what film this guys is reviewing, DJs downfield throws are the least of his problems.
Let me address that too, he has overthrown receivers quite a bit lately, go back and look at the tape. Thanks for asking.
Need a real tune-up there...
Seriously? You know this how?
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We need to see what we have and whether he will stop doing this rookie things or else I am seriously looking at much better QB talent in the upcoming draft.
Seriously? You know this how?
Whether the Giants stick with Jones is their decision, but you have to be out your mind to believe he is better than what is coming in the next draft. Seriously? better mobility, better athletes, better arms. etc. Winners get better, loser keep doing the same fuckery over and over again,
It isn't like he caught a perfect ball splitting three defenders.
Also once we complete part 2 of the OL rebuild and get a true #1 WR the O will be way more efficient and effective.
might be -uniquely- good in the pocket .. and uniquely good at open running .. and a hell of a passer. First overall, correct?
Jones:
looks fast and tough in the open field . and throws a nice ball, but not great in the pocket so far, not Montana footwork wise certainly not Murray footwork wise. But not bad either:
Jones:
A better, more accurate, faster taller version of Matt Ryan? That's not terrible!
One more reason to include quick east/west action, zone blocking and lots of designed qb runs and roll outs. Shanny stuff. Which seems easier in the OL also.
Lots of designed counter roll outs and
QB runs.
His issue - as has been raised several times already - it's the complete inability to hold on to the football that is his issue.
It is more apparent when you at the game. Jones is playing with one hand tied behind his back.
His receivers are blanketed. Statistically he leads the league in tight window completions.
It is more apparent when you at the game. Jones is playing with one hand tied behind his back.
His receivers are blanketed. Statistically he leads the league in tight window completions.
you didn't see him sitting there patting the ball for like 4-8 seconds multiple times? he had time to throw, and outside of the tail end of the 4th quarter when shurmur put him in horrible situations repeatedly, the line was not as bad as some are making it out to be. their worst performance of the season, to be sure. the problem was no one was open and he wouldn't check down or throw it away. he's pressing to make a play, and in the process turning the ball over a lot, often in comically dumb fashion.
Funny! People had no problem throwing Eli to the wolves when he had no line and no WR support the last 5 years.
It isn't like he caught a perfect ball splitting three defenders.
Picking up your sarcasm
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How is it possible to evaluate a QB when he has no time to throw the ball, his receivers are not getting separation, and there is no running game?
Funny! People had no problem throwing Eli to the wolves when he had no line and no WR support the last 5 years.
A 15 year vet making $23 Million versus a rookie making only 5 career starts? Even the most diehard Eli fans should be embarrassed by making that comparison. I sure as hell hope youd expect more from a future Hall of Famer making that kind of money than a rookie just getting his feet wet in a completely new environment. But then again, nothing surprises me on this site anymore.
The problem is, Giants fans have zero idea how to separate THE problem with being PART of the problem. Eli was absolutely has been PART of the problem. Just as Jones has been part of the problem. But again, one I a rookie and one is a 15 year vet making $23 Million.
If you dont believe Eli has been part of the problem the past 6 seasons you should take up another hobby because you have no idea what youre watching. And Im speaking in general, not directly at the poster Im replying to here.
Again you fail to address the fact that Eli, while not the worst player on the field, is responsible for over 20 million in cap space. That's money that could used to sign high end talent. Eli at this point is not better than Daniel Jones. Your argument is moot.
Clown. Its shitting on Eli to say hes been a part of the problem? This is why we cant reason with guys like you. You instantly turn it into people saying he is THE problem, which you just said right after I made crystal fucking clear thats not what I was saying. This team has been the laughingstock of the league for the better part of six seasons and guess what, Eli has been the QB through all of it.
And for record, I absolutely love Eli. Hes a legend and Ill always remember him as such. But its time some of you wake up. Eli defenders werent going to accept anything less than an undefeated, perfect season from Jones. At the slightest bit of struggles, youd scream and shout and say see! It wasnt all Eli!!!!. Which is ridiculous because no one ever said it was ALL Eli and also killing a rookie getting his first taste of NFL and using it to prop up Eli is pathetic. And embarrassing for you.
Bad things happen when you hold on to the ball for 2.8 seconds.
Well said
I'm ticked off Giants ass canned the guy who brought us Manning and Warren Moon, by far our best OC.
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for the past six seasons. the past three at most. for example, he was playing really well in 2015: i think he had like 35 TDs that year. it was the historically bad defense that caused them to go 6-10 that year, not eli. remember after coughlin was fired, reese went on a defensive spending spree in free agency in 2016 and that team made the playoffs, where eli was throwing lasers all over the field in lambau as his receivers dropped everything in sight? shit on eli if you really must, but don't exaggerate his decline.
Clown. Its shitting on Eli to say hes been a part of the problem? This is why we cant reason with guys like you. You instantly turn it into people saying he is THE problem, which you just said right after I made crystal fucking clear thats not what I was saying. This team has been the laughingstock of the league for the better part of six seasons and guess what, Eli has been the QB through all of it.
And for record, I absolutely love Eli. Hes a legend and Ill always remember him as such. But its time some of you wake up. Eli defenders werent going to accept anything less than an undefeated, perfect season from Jones. At the slightest bit of struggles, youd scream and shout and say see! It wasnt all Eli!!!!. Which is ridiculous because no one ever said it was ALL Eli and also killing a rookie getting his first taste of NFL and using it to prop up Eli is pathetic. And embarrassing for you.
Well said. Only and idiot would say the QB wasn't one of the issues over the past 6 seasons.
Bad things happen when you hold on to the ball for 2.8 seconds.
2.8 seconds is too damn long for this team, for sure. OTOH, there are QB's who are holding on to the ball even longer -- Kirk Cousins, Aaron Rodgers, Baker Mayfield, Russell Wilson & Josh Allen among others.
4 of the top worst receivers in the NFL for separation when catching the ball or not completed are NY Giants. The only Giant WR significantly better than that is Sterling Shepard and he's out indefinitely. (Next Gen stats)
Jones needs to hold on to the damn ball when he's hit, that's for sure, plus throw it away quicker. But 8 sacks against the Cards is a disgrace and that's a team problem.
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for the past six seasons. the past three at most. for example, he was playing really well in 2015: i think he had like 35 TDs that year. it was the historically bad defense that caused them to go 6-10 that year, not eli. remember after coughlin was fired, reese went on a defensive spending spree in free agency in 2016 and that team made the playoffs, where eli was throwing lasers all over the field in lambau as his receivers dropped everything in sight? shit on eli if you really must, but don't exaggerate his decline.
Clown. Its shitting on Eli to say hes been a part of the problem? This is why we cant reason with guys like you. You instantly turn it into people saying he is THE problem, which you just said right after I made crystal fucking clear thats not what I was saying. This team has been the laughingstock of the league for the better part of six seasons and guess what, Eli has been the QB through all of it.
And for record, I absolutely love Eli. Hes a legend and Ill always remember him as such. But its time some of you wake up. Eli defenders werent going to accept anything less than an undefeated, perfect season from Jones. At the slightest bit of struggles, youd scream and shout and say see! It wasnt all Eli!!!!. Which is ridiculous because no one ever said it was ALL Eli and also killing a rookie getting his first taste of NFL and using it to prop up Eli is pathetic. And embarrassing for you.
im not "killing" jones. im not screaming anything. hyperbole much?
all i was saying is eli was playing good ball in 14, 15, and 16. he was not part of the problem those years. i believe the logical time to move on from eli was after the 2017 season. so im not "propping up" anything. eli only became part of the problem in the mcadoo/shurmur wco type offenses (last 2-3 years), not the coughlin offense, and not the 16 season either. my only point. flame on
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