they turned Deivi Garcia into a prospect of consequence, they've developed a bunch of MLB arms and trade chips over the last several years. And they have maybe the best reputation in the sport for adding velocity. The proof of the esteem in which they're held is the annual ratf-cking of the Yankees front office. That's not a coincidence.
The Rays got creative because they had to. If they got creative and failed so be it. The Yankees couldn't pioneer the opener because if it failed heads would roll. That's the difference in their respective organizations. Their pitching development has been more uneven than you allow, in that they've had a number of good and even great prospects stagnate or fizzle.
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Keep in mind that German came from another organization
as a throw in, just saying. Nobody could have expected what he did last season on the field. The Rays had the lowest payroll in baseball this year I believe, yep no doubt, they have had to get creative.
in trades, and they build value. Tarpley was another one. Is he a world-beater? No. But he's a major league arm. They got Juan Then for Nick Rumbelow and turned him into Encarnacion. German was injured shortly after the trade, but they put a lot of development time into him. Same with Johnny Lasagna, who was a minor league free agent.
So you rather have a 30 year old Didi coming off a injury and is going to cost a lot of money to resign instead of trading for a younger and better player?? I swear some Yankee fans are absolutely lost it’s comical.
Yankees, Dodgers, and Astros are ahead of everyone else right now.
All the blue chip prospects have graduated, but the depth this year made all of the difference. Talking about the Indians and Lindor, they have a huge hole at 3B. You better believe they wish they had gotten the performance the Yankees got out of him in 2019.
As far as prospecting, there are teenage outfielders and high ceiling pitchers that can make the jump to be the next studs everyone dreams about. Be patient, they can't graduate 2 studs every year!
I believe IncarceratedBob is the source here - so, I'm hesitant to even post it. But, I believe he tweeted that NYY will look to potentially engage in moving Stanton - perhaps to a West Coast team, if they can get him to waive his NTC.
I realize the source is generally shit, but I have a feeling the Yanks will, indeed, explore moving him this offseason if they have an avenue to do so and he's willing to waive his clause.
Stanton just doesn't feel like a guy who is going to work out here. I'd definitely be on board with cutting our losses at this point.
Hicks gets hurt a lot. Judge has as well in the last two seasons. Gardner will turn 37 next season. Expecting either Maybin or Tauchman to duplicate their 2019 production seems like a longshot. Frazier's glove was hideous, his hitting was up and down, and he made himself a tabloid target.
I'm guessing Maybin doesn't return. We might have something solid in Tauchman. Obviously he's not the guy who was playing like Mike Trout post ASB for a bit - but I think his ability to play all 3 OF spots and a decent profile as a hitter make him an attractive/cost-efficient 4th/5th OFer.
Gardner is going to be the tough call. I bet he'll want to play another year, but I worry that if we try to squeeze one more out of him, it'll be that season where he just hits a wall and really has a rough year. It kind of feels like we were fortunate to get the year we did out of him in '19 - now feels like the right time to move on.
Definitely a lot of questions.
I wasn't an anti-Stanton guy and still am not necessarily one - but, this year certainly made me feel like he's a player we can't rely on. Unreliable, ridiculous contract... I just don't see it working out with him here. If we can unload him, I feel like it'd be the best for both parties. Decisions, decisions...
Hicks gets hurt a lot. Judge has as well in the last two seasons. Gardner will turn 37 next season. Expecting either Maybin or Tauchman to duplicate their 2019 production seems like a longshot. Frazier's glove was hideous, his hitting was up and down, and he made himself a tabloid target.
Lots of questions.
sometimes it's hard to believe when guys come out of nowhere, but I really think Tauchman is an everyday outfielder for the long term.
There really wasn't anything unsustainable or so far outside of his track record in his 2019 numbers -- he's had a double-digit walk rate throughout his minor league career at every stop. If anything, his 2019 K rate was a decent bit higher than he'd shown.
BABIP was slightly high at .333 for his contact profile, but some of that is that he uses the whole field and didn't/won't be shifted against. His defense and versatility is good enough that even if he slides back to something like .260/.330/.450, the team should be perfectly happy to have him playing 5 days per week and batting 8th or 9th. And that feels like a moderately downside case based on the skillset.
I'm may be in the minority because I've hated the back half of the rotation so much and that's where I want to build, but an OF group of Judge / Hicks / Stanton / Tauchman and one of Frazier / Maybin doesn't bother me at all.
Since this was before your conversion, there was a recent analogue to your comment you may not know of to Gardner potentially falling off a cliff next year. It's exactly what happened with Posada. He had a terrific season at the plate in 2009 at age 37, then a solid one in 2010. They brought him back for one more year in 2011, as a DH, figuring that he might have a couple of productive seasons left in his bat if he didn't have the wear and tear of catching anymore.
He was terrible and had the worst year of his career, then retired.
Since this was before your conversion, there was a recent analogue to your comment you may not know of to Gardner potentially falling off a cliff next year. It's exactly what happened with Posada. He had a terrific season at the plate in 2009 at age 37, then a solid one in 2010. They brought him back for one more year in 2011, as a DH, figuring that he might have a couple of productive seasons left in his bat if he didn't have the wear and tear of catching anymore.
He was terrible and had the worst year of his career, then retired.
I remember when Po signed the last contract with the Yankees - the Mets were trying to make a play for him; but he wound up staying in the Bronx.
But yes, I do vaguely remember Posada's last year and how he fell off. It happens... I have a feeling that's what we're going to get if we try to go back to the well with Gardner. Now feels like the perfect time to walk away.
Gardy plays a tough game. He's had one of those careers where eventually all the bumps and bruises add up. Have immense respect for him and the way he's played the game and the career he's had. I just wouldn't put myself in any sort of position where I am reliant on him playing 150 games.
Better to part ways a year too early than a year too late. Gardner's longevity with the team and popularity in the clubhouse makes it a bit trickier, so I can understand why it's a tough decision.
He wasn't supposed to play that much this season, anyway.
nobody wants to hear it, but he was about as big of a beneficiary of the 2019 juice-ball as any player in baseball. His walks were down, his strikeouts were up, and his HR/FB rate was just under 20%, which is nearly 6% higher than his previous career best and nearly 10% higher than his career average.
If luxury tax levels matter at all, it's $8-10M much better spent elsewhere, IMHO.
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of Gardy's healthiest, most consistent seasons. Hard to believe it would happen again. I did see some cracks in his fielding(well for Gardy). And at 37 his rough and tumble ball to the wall style could crash at any moment. Off the bench he'd be fine for 1 more year. But at what salary.
I am a huge Gardy fan, but if Cash decides to move on I'm ok. I think Tauchman is pretty close to Gardy in ability, speed, with a better arm and more power. He may get better with more playing time.
Judge, Hicks, Stanton, Tauchman with Maybin or Frazier or even Wade....Wade actually started to hit.
I really think Frazier just does not belong. He has ability but his attitude is tough to take. Taking the three days to go from the Bronx to Scranton was a dumb move. He also hit like shit both in SWB and when he eventually came back up.
They go to a 26 man roster next season, correct?
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They cant trade him so to me if they get a player ( and OF are not that hard ) for some topped out minor leaguers...lets say goodbye to Grit. Im ok either way.
Stanton reminds me that we all wanted to dump ARod and his contract before 2009 ( although he was durable).
His injuries don't match his history. His AB started to show greater discipline or pitch recognition. Seems a good teammate. Works hard. young enough.
To me, and this is going to be an out of left field id get another 3rd or 4th SP and id add 1-2 BP arms. Id trade German to do it
That base done, id pay Romine so I could trade him or Higgy at the deadline or back up Gary who sure looks like he has a shorter Yankee career ahead of him than Stanton does. And I sure don't want to pay long term for what we have seen from Sanchez so far.
So that leaves one bold idea you aren't going to like...Id look at two left side of the infield high hit rate junior DJ guys and drop Didi, trade Andujar (late spring or mid season) and trade or teach Urshela to back up at 3rd and 1st.
Defense, flexibility and better left right balance.
I think Urshela has more chance to revert to mean than Tauchman. I like the season he had but don't see a hitter who gets to elite pitching
EE is a Posada story in waiting. Frazier is among many a corner OF in MLB. I don't think Frazier has much trade value unless packaged.
and this year with the Soto story in front of all of us, id trade Florial now and Id accelerate Dominguez as fast as we can.
until you start vetting potential suitors. The Angels would seem to make some sense, but you know Moreno is terrified of another Pujols. And if Stanton slows down or has lower body injuries, it's tough to DH him with Ohtani needing reps and with Pujols still under contract for two more years. Plus probably their three top prospects, including their top prospect Adell, are OF.
If you're SDP or SFG, are you putting him out in a cavernous OF and expecting him to stay healthy (and to age gracefully as an OF)? That contract goes against everything LAD does in the FO.
I could see the Cardinals being interested because their middle of the order hasn't scared anyone in years, but he's a guy who really needs the opportunity to take DH reps and to have that as a fallback if his lower body continues to be a problem.
A better option would be to give him a lot of DH reps this year, hope for a bounceback (he's still got a huge bat), and then MAYBE see about trying to ship him out next offseason.
Taking the three days to go from the Bronx to Scranton was a dumb move.
Not this again. A lot of players do the same thing. It got blown into a big deal by the scumbag parasites that write for the papers because they were looking to make a big deal out of it, but it's a total nonissue. Fine if you want to cite his mediocre play in Scranton, but the 3 days stuff was nonsense.
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right, so more fly balls, but the frequency with which those balls left the stadium increased by 50%. #juiceball
I don't think you were disagreeing, but just clarifying...
Yup, not disagreeing. As long as the ball remains juiced he could still be a productive bat, but if it gets dialed back that'll be a lot of warning track fly balls.
Urshela's exit velocity was better than Tauchman's, though, which would suggest that he's the better bet to at least come close to his 2019 production in the future.
Urshela's exit velocity was better than Tauchman's, though, which would suggest that he's the better bet to at least come close to his 2019 production in the future.
both worthwhile players to me, but I see more volatility in Urshela's game (offensively). He walks about half as frequently, and as hard as he hit the ball, .350 BABIP high.
But I won't pit them against each other -- they can both hit in the bottom third of my lineup any day given what they bring with the glove.
Taking the three days to go from the Bronx to Scranton was a dumb move.
Not this again. A lot of players do the same thing. It got blown into a big deal by the scumbag parasites that write for the papers because they were looking to make a big deal out of it, but it's a total nonissue. Fine if you want to cite his mediocre play in Scranton, but the 3 days stuff was nonsense.
Oh bullshit. It is a 2 hour drive for a single guy - no family to move. The contract allows it and it is meant to allow families to make arrangements. It was a stupid effin move to take the full three days. Did it take him three days to come from SWB to the Bronx, ever?
Frazier has a lot of cats, or dogs, or gerbils I don’t know. Â
is exactly what I am targeting, especially as it feels to me like it comes with an ever improving book on how to pitch him and a concern he doesn't hit elite stuff.
To me, they have one too few elite stuff contact guys, so 2/3 of Urshela, Didi and Gardner needs to be upgraded.
I think they were two high contact/any pitcher hitters and one more elite BP guy away from Championship
Rather than trading real assets for Lindor the idea of moving Gleyber to SS And letting Didi walk if they can’t get a reasonable deal done. Pushes Adujar to first in that scenario. I actually like DJ at first rather than him at 2nd i. Also relying on Gio reverting.
8 years left on Stanton will scare anyone off IMO. And unlike ARod seems to be well liked.
I just get wanting Lindor but the coast will be justifiably super high. The core is there.
is exactly what I am targeting, especially as it feels to me like it comes with an ever improving book on how to pitch him and a concern he doesn't hit elite stuff.
To me, they have one too few elite stuff contact guys, so 2/3 of Urshela, Didi and Gardner needs to be upgraded.
I think they were two high contact/any pitcher hitters and one more elite BP guy away from Championship
Bill not many people hit elite stuff. LeMahieu can hit anybody because of his approach, as will Torres. Judge had trouble, too. I would have expected him to catch up to a few more and he left a number of hittable pitches on the table. 2 RBIs out of 9 games postseaon..
Haven't seen too many Yankees hit quality high FBs(Verlander and Cole) In reality aside from Altuve, who actually did consistently well against the Yankees? Springer and Correa hit spinners and aside from that, zilch. Alvarez was invisible.
I agree that Didi's OBP is pretty poor and father time is catching up with Gardy. I was totally surprised EE failed so miserably. Hard to say if the book caught up with Urshela or he was in a slump at the wrong time.
Bigger concern is Gary. I haven't a clue what is wrong with him or if he is just overrated at the plate. He was clueless in the playoffs. Was he still hurt or more hurt than reported? But he was easily the worst batter on the team with only Eddie coming close, IIRC.
Nobody has mentioned Estrada? He looked good when he was up in the field an at the plate? Thoughts?
The Rays got creative because they had to. If they got creative and failed so be it. The Yankees couldn't pioneer the opener because if it failed heads would roll. That's the difference in their respective organizations. Their pitching development has been more uneven than you allow, in that they've had a number of good and even great prospects stagnate or fizzle.
Keep in mind that German came from another organization
as a throw in, just saying. Nobody could have expected what he did last season on the field. The Rays had the lowest payroll in baseball this year I believe, yep no doubt, they have had to get creative.
So you rather have a 30 year old Didi coming off a injury and is going to cost a lot of money to resign instead of trading for a younger and better player?? I swear some Yankee fans are absolutely lost it’s comical.
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If you look at the Astros stats in the playoffs, they really have been putrid.
All the blue chip prospects have graduated, but the depth this year made all of the difference. Talking about the Indians and Lindor, they have a huge hole at 3B. You better believe they wish they had gotten the performance the Yankees got out of him in 2019.
As far as prospecting, there are teenage outfielders and high ceiling pitchers that can make the jump to be the next studs everyone dreams about. Be patient, they can't graduate 2 studs every year!
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but it did win it
If you look at the Astros stats in the playoffs, they really have been putrid.
i watched yankees series. they won it.
If he really slapped his girlfriend at the CC Sabathia dinner, his ass should be canned regardless.
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I realize the source is generally shit, but I have a feeling the Yanks will, indeed, explore moving him this offseason if they have an avenue to do so and he's willing to waive his clause.
Stanton just doesn't feel like a guy who is going to work out here. I'd definitely be on board with cutting our losses at this point.
Lots of questions.
Gardner is going to be the tough call. I bet he'll want to play another year, but I worry that if we try to squeeze one more out of him, it'll be that season where he just hits a wall and really has a rough year. It kind of feels like we were fortunate to get the year we did out of him in '19 - now feels like the right time to move on.
Definitely a lot of questions.
I wasn't an anti-Stanton guy and still am not necessarily one - but, this year certainly made me feel like he's a player we can't rely on. Unreliable, ridiculous contract... I just don't see it working out with him here. If we can unload him, I feel like it'd be the best for both parties. Decisions, decisions...
Lots of questions.
sometimes it's hard to believe when guys come out of nowhere, but I really think Tauchman is an everyday outfielder for the long term.
There really wasn't anything unsustainable or so far outside of his track record in his 2019 numbers -- he's had a double-digit walk rate throughout his minor league career at every stop. If anything, his 2019 K rate was a decent bit higher than he'd shown.
BABIP was slightly high at .333 for his contact profile, but some of that is that he uses the whole field and didn't/won't be shifted against. His defense and versatility is good enough that even if he slides back to something like .260/.330/.450, the team should be perfectly happy to have him playing 5 days per week and batting 8th or 9th. And that feels like a moderately downside case based on the skillset.
I'm may be in the minority because I've hated the back half of the rotation so much and that's where I want to build, but an OF group of Judge / Hicks / Stanton / Tauchman and one of Frazier / Maybin doesn't bother me at all.
He was terrible and had the worst year of his career, then retired.
He was terrible and had the worst year of his career, then retired.
I remember when Po signed the last contract with the Yankees - the Mets were trying to make a play for him; but he wound up staying in the Bronx.
But yes, I do vaguely remember Posada's last year and how he fell off. It happens... I have a feeling that's what we're going to get if we try to go back to the well with Gardner. Now feels like the perfect time to walk away.
Gardy plays a tough game. He's had one of those careers where eventually all the bumps and bruises add up. Have immense respect for him and the way he's played the game and the career he's had. I just wouldn't put myself in any sort of position where I am reliant on him playing 150 games.
He wasn't supposed to play that much this season, anyway.
If luxury tax levels matter at all, it's $8-10M much better spent elsewhere, IMHO.
right, so more fly balls, but the frequency with which those balls left the stadium increased by 50%. #juiceball
I don't think you were disagreeing, but just clarifying...
I am a huge Gardy fan, but if Cash decides to move on I'm ok. I think Tauchman is pretty close to Gardy in ability, speed, with a better arm and more power. He may get better with more playing time.
Judge, Hicks, Stanton, Tauchman with Maybin or Frazier or even Wade....Wade actually started to hit.
I really think Frazier just does not belong. He has ability but his attitude is tough to take. Taking the three days to go from the Bronx to Scranton was a dumb move. He also hit like shit both in SWB and when he eventually came back up.
They go to a 26 man roster next season, correct?
I think Maybin walks.
Gardner maybe at an even lesser salary?
They cant trade him so to me if they get a player ( and OF are not that hard ) for some topped out minor leaguers...lets say goodbye to Grit. Im ok either way.
Stanton reminds me that we all wanted to dump ARod and his contract before 2009 ( although he was durable).
His injuries don't match his history. His AB started to show greater discipline or pitch recognition. Seems a good teammate. Works hard. young enough.
To me, and this is going to be an out of left field id get another 3rd or 4th SP and id add 1-2 BP arms. Id trade German to do it
That base done, id pay Romine so I could trade him or Higgy at the deadline or back up Gary who sure looks like he has a shorter Yankee career ahead of him than Stanton does. And I sure don't want to pay long term for what we have seen from Sanchez so far.
So that leaves one bold idea you aren't going to like...Id look at two left side of the infield high hit rate junior DJ guys and drop Didi, trade Andujar (late spring or mid season) and trade or teach Urshela to back up at 3rd and 1st.
Defense, flexibility and better left right balance.
I think Urshela has more chance to revert to mean than Tauchman. I like the season he had but don't see a hitter who gets to elite pitching
EE is a Posada story in waiting. Frazier is among many a corner OF in MLB. I don't think Frazier has much trade value unless packaged.
and this year with the Soto story in front of all of us, id trade Florial now and Id accelerate Dominguez as fast as we can.
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If you're SDP or SFG, are you putting him out in a cavernous OF and expecting him to stay healthy (and to age gracefully as an OF)? That contract goes against everything LAD does in the FO.
I could see the Cardinals being interested because their middle of the order hasn't scared anyone in years, but he's a guy who really needs the opportunity to take DH reps and to have that as a fallback if his lower body continues to be a problem.
A better option would be to give him a lot of DH reps this year, hope for a bounceback (he's still got a huge bat), and then MAYBE see about trying to ship him out next offseason.
Not this again. A lot of players do the same thing. It got blown into a big deal by the scumbag parasites that write for the papers because they were looking to make a big deal out of it, but it's a total nonissue. Fine if you want to cite his mediocre play in Scranton, but the 3 days stuff was nonsense.
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right, so more fly balls, but the frequency with which those balls left the stadium increased by 50%. #juiceball
I don't think you were disagreeing, but just clarifying...
Yup, not disagreeing. As long as the ball remains juiced he could still be a productive bat, but if it gets dialed back that'll be a lot of warning track fly balls.
both worthwhile players to me, but I see more volatility in Urshela's game (offensively). He walks about half as frequently, and as hard as he hit the ball, .350 BABIP high.
But I won't pit them against each other -- they can both hit in the bottom third of my lineup any day given what they bring with the glove.
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Taking the three days to go from the Bronx to Scranton was a dumb move.
Not this again. A lot of players do the same thing. It got blown into a big deal by the scumbag parasites that write for the papers because they were looking to make a big deal out of it, but it's a total nonissue. Fine if you want to cite his mediocre play in Scranton, but the 3 days stuff was nonsense.
Oh bullshit. It is a 2 hour drive for a single guy - no family to move. The contract allows it and it is meant to allow families to make arrangements. It was a stupid effin move to take the full three days. Did it take him three days to come from SWB to the Bronx, ever?
To me, they have one too few elite stuff contact guys, so 2/3 of Urshela, Didi and Gardner needs to be upgraded.
I think they were two high contact/any pitcher hitters and one more elite BP guy away from Championship
8 years left on Stanton will scare anyone off IMO. And unlike ARod seems to be well liked.
I just get wanting Lindor but the coast will be justifiably super high. The core is there.
He is flawed on the fundamentals of OF play and he does not use his legs consistently or well as a hitter.
He is also prone to not being a smart head in the game player.
He has a quick arms so that in streaks he can hit when he is planted in the same place each AB.
Not good enough a fielder or a hitter for a Championship team that also has other choices and needs upgrades here and there
imho
To me, they have one too few elite stuff contact guys, so 2/3 of Urshela, Didi and Gardner needs to be upgraded.
I think they were two high contact/any pitcher hitters and one more elite BP guy away from Championship
Bill not many people hit elite stuff. LeMahieu can hit anybody because of his approach, as will Torres. Judge had trouble, too. I would have expected him to catch up to a few more and he left a number of hittable pitches on the table. 2 RBIs out of 9 games postseaon..
Haven't seen too many Yankees hit quality high FBs(Verlander and Cole) In reality aside from Altuve, who actually did consistently well against the Yankees? Springer and Correa hit spinners and aside from that, zilch. Alvarez was invisible.
I agree that Didi's OBP is pretty poor and father time is catching up with Gardy. I was totally surprised EE failed so miserably. Hard to say if the book caught up with Urshela or he was in a slump at the wrong time.
Bigger concern is Gary. I haven't a clue what is wrong with him or if he is just overrated at the plate. He was clueless in the playoffs. Was he still hurt or more hurt than reported? But he was easily the worst batter on the team with only Eddie coming close, IIRC.
Nobody has mentioned Estrada? He looked good when he was up in the field an at the plate? Thoughts?