He was in part hired because he's a QB whisperer. Despite his failures at actual in game coaching, its undeniable that Foles, Manning, and Keenum had their best years with Shurmur. For Manning, his numbers markedly improved over McAdoos tenure even in year 1.
Shurmur's job is completely tied to whether or not Daniel Jones improves in year 2. As much talk has been written about Darnold (i personally have always thiought he was overrated), Mayfield, Josh Allen, none of them have markedly improved in year 2.
We're gonna find out next year if Shurmur is gonna stick around. Itll be foolish to think hes gonna get fired anytime soon because of "playcalling"
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How do you sell that?
We should have just kept Reese & McAdoo at this point.
Yup. We're just wasting years and careers at this point.
What careers? Eli is done and all these guys are going to end up in arena football sooner or later. they suck.
The fish rots from the head. That's what it comes down to with me. John Mara is a dude who was born on 3rd base & thought he hit a triple. He's incompetent.
-After 2009 held a press conference very critical of the teams finish after starting 5-0.
-After 2013 criticized coaching for not playing the young guys (Jernigan) and forced Coughlin to fire Gilbride.
-Forced Coughlin to fire Fewell after 2014.
-Fired a 2x SB winning HC in Coughlin (we haven’t had a coach since).
-Fired McAdoo and Reese mid season less than a year removed from 11-5.
Shurmur with 2 full seasons here and an overall HC record over 25 games under .500 will get him canned imo.
The results and decisions of the last 7 years have done a great job at showing they are an incompetent organization. Hiring a total loser as a head coach also accomplished that too.
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
The Arizona Cardinals marched into inclement weather from their pacific time zone, with Altuve at QB and a gadget HC, and absolutely punched us in the mouth to take a commanding 17-0 lead. And then never looked back.
I mean, how do you say with a straight face Shurmur deserves to keep coaching??
as Head Coach.
He can whisper anything he wants to his quarterbacks,
but he's killing his offense with terrible play calls.
And Shurmur is utterly horrible at the head coaching thing. He can go be a QB coach somewhere.
Ring back the Strahans, LT’s, Carl Banks, Osi’s’ Tucks, Armsteads of Giants culture.
OK Terps, why don't you tell us the "culture" this team should have? What specifically have the other "successful" NFL franchises done that has left the Giants behind in your opinion? Would really like a straight answer.
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
I completely agree. I expect we fire him and Gettleman in January 2021 after another 5-11 season.
That's what the Giants do. Waste years.
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
I completely agree. I expect we fire him and Gettleman in January 2021 after another 5-11 season.
That's what the Giants do. Waste years.
You're going to eat those words.
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
I completely agree. I expect we fire him and Gettleman in January 2021 after another 5-11 season.
That's what the Giants do. Waste years.
Unfortunately true.
Shurmur has proven he doesn't deserve another year, but he will get it.
DG bought an extra year with the Jones pick. Not that I am happy about that either.
If he's not gonna fire him, he should at least force some analytics guys on the staff.
But... if the roster truly is rebuilt and stronger in 2020-2021 (with cap space fully utilized and better managed) a real experienced and successful NFL head coach (Tomlin, Rivera, Payton, just to randomly list the type I’m referring to) should be able to come in and have immediate success without having to first go through a couple years of 5-11 and 6-10. I think after 2020 if Shurmur is still failing and making obviously terrible decisions week in and week out, and Mara has an opportunity to get a real big name HC that rejuvenates the fan base and the team—he might have the guts to actually pull the trigger. Hell DG might wrongly encourage him to pull the trigger if he feels/realizes that hitching his wagon to Shurmur likely spells the end of his career as a GM.
...along with his entire coaching staff. One or two may be able to hang on with the new regime.
I guess higher completion percentages now is a better marker for best season of a players career than Super Bowl winning seasons.... I mean, Eli's 2018 season was SOOOO clearly his best season of his career that its absolutely UNDENIABLE!!!! That Super Bowl MVP, Pro Bowl, 5000 yard season was no match for the 5-11 season which he threw for close to 67% completion percentage.
He's a OC playing head coach. I think he's a solid offensive guy and heck, I'd be fine with him taking Shula's spot - but he can't be the HC for this rebuild. He's the wrong guy.
People look at last two years and think they were farther behind than Giants. Last two years of Cards' history is giving some a distorted perspective of what Cards were and are.
Giants played poorly especially re: run. But, our best LB is done for the year.
This is what a rebuild looks like. It's generally not linear. 2nd half of last season trending up, now some turbulance. Just have to wait for entire season to play out.
Jury is still out - not sure what some of you expected
People look at last two years and think they were farther behind than Giants. Last two years of Cards' history is giving some a distorted perspective of what Cards were and are.
Giants played poorly especially re: run. But, our best LB is done for the year.
This is what a rebuild looks like. It's generally not linear. 2nd half of last season trending up, now some turbulance. Just have to wait for entire season to play out.
Jury is still out - not sure what some of you expected
I expected the coach to be halfway competent on gamedays.
He STILL hasn't figured out that he's good for one wasted challenge and at least one additional wasted TO (or use of one in a highly questionable spot) per game.
I didn't expect the Giants to be a great team this year, I did expect them to be coached better than this. And of the available (realistically available) candidates at the time, I was fine with Shurmur being the guy. I figured he'd be great for a rookie QB, he'd get the offense out of the McAdoo disaster zone... and perhaps that he'd learned a bit from his time in Cleveland.
His clock management sucks, his in-game management sucks, and I'm struggling to find much of any redeeming qualities here.
He has to go. And if the Giants give him another year, shame on them.
But, I'm already tired of watching Shurmur embarrass himself and the Giants franchise on a weekly basis. He's part of the list of problems.
Self-scouting has been a huge problem for the Giants for years. From Mara and now DG downward. They won two championships, but in the modern NFL it's not as hard to do as the golden era was. It deluded the franchise leadership and reinforced years of poor self-scouting which still continues today.
Players have made some major mistakes on gameday, dug holes that they don't have the talent to dig out of.
Jones has to unload ball faster. Wondering if they had more of a true FB back there. Someone who never missed pass protection and knocked people out of the way versus walling them off.
On a side note, many on the site who wanted ot get rid of OBJ don't want to acknowledge the on the field problems that caused.
Thinking next year's draft will be heavy OL and wr. With exception of Hernandez - Snee was last solid OL player they drafted. 15 years ago - that is something Giant's FO can definitely be blamed for. Arguably their biggest flaw.
Sorry, between the Giants and the Yankees, I'm in a dour mood. On to hockey season...... He said in mid October
Shurmur needs a solid draft and solid UFA's (not the big name ones necessarily but we clearly need at least one OT upgrade, likely RT. I can see us going OL in round one or ER, depending upon how talent falls as we will likely have a pick between 9-15 I'd guess.
We simply don't have OT's of merit nor a pass rush of merit YET. I do believe guys like L. Carter, D. Lawrence, Ximines, BJ Hill and McIntoshh can IMPROVE pass rush but none of them are a "must double team every pass play" type (maybe Lawrence with a year in the weight room???).
QB D. Jones got killed and faked out. He is a rookie and made some mistakes. He will improve with practice and real games. I suspect after the bye week we will see "adjustments" and more youth infusion with possibly Bethea replaced with Love at least on defense and Slayton seeing more and more time at WR.
Shurmur gets next year for sure. This shit show is a talent issue more than coaching, IMHO.
Shurmur gets next year for sure. This shit show is a talent issue more than coaching, IMHO.
Agreed, is there anyone on D making an impact? Maybe Lawerence and Golden? Sad
The only thing I can add is that in the few games I have seen, the play looks sloppy- poor tackling, poor blocking. I usually blame coaching for that. That said, I remember complaining about that with Coughlin at times, also.
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
I completely agree. I expect we fire him and Gettleman in January 2021 after another 5-11 season.
That's what the Giants do. Waste years.
You're going to eat those words.
You're not the first guy on this board to say that to me.
2. Or he can show he's the right man to develop Jones. A rookie QB is going to have his ups and downs, but the downs need to become less frequent as the season progresses. If Jones shows substantial growth and his putting up impressive numbers down the stretch, then it won't matter as much if the D keeps getting gashed and they lose a bunch of games 30-35.
What would be "impressive" #s (for a rookie)? Consider Darnold's last month last year which had everyone going crazy about his future: 64% 233 ypg, 6 TDs, 1 INT, 1 Fmb, 7.5 y/a.
Arians is a great coach, but he retired because he could tell where that shit show was heading. His team was getting old, he didn't have a QB, he prefers vet QBs, and he wanted to get out of dodge.
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And must show a marked improvement IMO
How has he earned another year?
How has he earned another game?
You won't like it but's going to happen...Watch
I completely agree. I expect we fire him and Gettleman in January 2021 after another 5-11 season.
That's what the Giants do. Waste years.
You're going to eat those words.
You're not the first guy on this board to say that to me.
Well stop being wrong so much.