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Can the NFL keep New England from going undefeated?

George from PA : 10/22/2019 8:10 am
Well, I say, right now....it does not look likely.

Wow....what a juggernaut.

That defense is playing out of their minds....with probably best secondary ever...i did not realize Jones TD to Tate was their 1st passing TD against????

Their point differential is appraoching record breakng.

I just laugh when their punter bounce the ball out on the 2....amazing

This is ridiculous .....and the NFL does not have the NY Giants to bail them out
You do realize that  
section125 : 10/22/2019 8:12 am : link
the Patriots have not played a good team yet? They won't go undefeated.
Patriots...  
BamaBlue : 10/22/2019 8:17 am : link
get a cushy schedule. 4 games against Miami and the Jets, plus playing the NFCE. They're a good/great team, but come-on...
As of right now  
gmenatlarge : 10/22/2019 8:20 am : link
I can't see a team that beats them, but you never know. This could be the year BB makes up for 18-1!
Honestly, why do you care?  
ThreePoints : 10/22/2019 8:20 am : link
I just don't get it. The Giants stink, but you don't want to possibly see history?
They play the Ravens, the Eagles,  
NBGblue : 10/22/2019 8:21 am : link
the Cowboys, the Chiefs and the Texans, plus the Bills again. There's at least one loss, if not more, in there for the "juggernaut"
Save the time  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/22/2019 8:23 am : link
would you not waste your time if I could go into the future and tell you the Patriots will be in the Superbowl again?

If the answer is "Yes", well then I've seen the future.....don't waste your time
Well....how is their schedule different then any other year?  
George from PA : 10/22/2019 8:24 am : link
They always play 6 ridiculous division games....I would argue Buffalo has made their division game tougher. The Jet looked pretty good against Dallas?

Ok...KC is hurting and wont beat them.

Green Bay and Minnesota are 2 teams..that might make it competitive.

Baltimore....Texas....?

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RE: Well....how is their schedule different then any other year?  
section125 : 10/22/2019 8:31 am : link
In comment 14640362 George from PA said:
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They always play 6 ridiculous division games....I would argue Buffalo has made their division game tougher. The Jet looked pretty good against Dallas?

Ok...KC is hurting and wont beat them.

Green Bay and Minnesota are 2 teams..that might make it competitive.

Baltimore....Texas....?

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Dallas is better than you think. They pooped the bed against the Jets and destroyed the Eagles. Dallas is no walkover.
Look at who they played  
bc4life : 10/22/2019 8:34 am : link
Struggling teams, making lots of mistakes, and young QBs. Pittsburgh is the only exception to that. They struggled against Buffalo - Bills just don't have enough O power yet.
RE: Look at who they played  
I Love Clams Casino : 10/22/2019 8:45 am : link
In comment 14640377 bc4life said:
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Struggling teams, making lots of mistakes, and young QBs. Pittsburgh is the only exception to that. They struggled against Buffalo - Bills just don't have enough O power yet.


At the current time, this is the best the Bills will be and it's just never enough to beat the perennial winning teams in the NFL. Same thing for the 49'ers. The perennials are the Eagles, The Patriots, the Packers, the Seahawks and the Saints. All other teams in the NFL go through cycles of being very bad, better, good, very good, and then back down the ladder.
They'll lose  
NINEster : 10/22/2019 8:48 am : link
eventually.

Every team does.

To go 16-0 you need some real offensive firepower and defensive muscle. And luck. Kinda lucked out beating the Ravens that year...bailed out by a penalty on 4th down IIRC.

And that's what makes predicting wins/losses so tough. People are too hung up on teams' power ranking and overlook that usually 90% without fail the elite teams lose to some average team every year.

Can't predict games in a vacuum unless they are week 1, week 17, super hardcore rivalries/prime time battles, or playoffs.

Looking at the Patriots schedule, their next 6 games are against what appear to be some tough teams. I anticipate they will all be real games, fought hard but Patriots I can't imagine will win them all, maybe not even half of them.


I think a good chance is that the SB  
cjd2404 : 10/22/2019 9:00 am : link
is 49ers v Pats.

The former Pat QB Jimmy G v Tom Brady.

49ers schedule  
bc4life : 10/22/2019 9:01 am : link
has been weak too.
I don't think going 16-0 would be good for Pats.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/22/2019 9:04 am : link
Members of the '07 Patriots said it mentally wore them down.
that and a  
bc4life : 10/22/2019 9:10 am : link
pretty good Giant's defense. oh and a non elite, non HOF QB
RE: I think a good chance is that the SB  
Rong5611 : 10/22/2019 9:18 am : link
Long way to go. The 2007 Cowboys were supposedly unstoppable. We all know what happened to them.

We shall see.

With regard to the Pat's, until the AFC East level of competition improves they have a built in advantage. I think the Bills are on the upswing. But, they also play the Jets and Dolphins twice.

The Jets and Dolphins are years away from being competitive.

In comment 14640436 cjd2404 said:
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is 49ers v Pats.

The former Pat QB Jimmy G v Tom Brady.
Its a 5 game stretch that will determine it  
twostepgiants : 10/22/2019 9:30 am : link
@ Ravens in prime time
@ Eagles
Vs Cowboys
@ Texans in prime time
Vs Chiefs (if Mahomes healthy)

Otherwise no one will beat them in regular season.
It’s not good for the league,  
exiled : 10/22/2019 9:49 am : link
this dynasty. I’d argue it’s not even good for Patriots’ fans. Some fans up here are starting to get blasé about wins—even the Super Bowl last year. I have friends who are die-hard fans who had zero excitement during the post season. The vibe seemed like regular season.
Odds are against....  
x meadowlander : 10/22/2019 9:51 am : link
...there's a reason it never happens, and teams better than this season's Patriots have fallen in the past. Ask Peyton Manning.

A big reason is that once a team gets on a roll, EVERY opponent starts bringing their 'A' game.

Injuries are another major factor. In today's NFL, no one gets out alive.

When you're 13-0 14-0 and have home field secured, you start resting players. Is the goal to go unbeaten or to win the Superbowl? Belechek already knows how hard - impossible even - it is to do both.

Lastly, it takes luck.

If I'm a betting man, I'm betting large against. They won't go unbeaten.
I don't think they will  
Joey in VA : 10/22/2019 10:02 am : link
Tom Brady isn't really throwing the ball as well as he has in the past and that team simply hasn't played anyone yet save the Bills, who gave them all they could handle.
RE: You do realize that  
Mike in Long Beach : 10/22/2019 10:08 am : link
In comment 14640332 section125 said:
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the Patriots have not played a good team yet? They won't go undefeated.


Start and End of thread. They have one quality win over Buffalo. The rest has been bottom 1/4 of the league teams.
RE: You do realize that  
Johnny5 : 10/22/2019 10:23 am : link
In comment 14640332 section125 said:
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the Patriots have not played a good team yet? They won't go undefeated.

But that's part of the problem... who really is good in the NFL right now? I can lose a hand and a couple of fingers on the other and still count the good teams with what's left.

At this point, I f**cking hate the Patriots. It's not fair that a team should be that dominant for that long. It's absurdity at this point.
Their defense is very good...  
BillKo : 10/22/2019 10:32 am : link
...but it simply hasn't been tested yet.

The Giants are the best ranked offense they have played.

Think about that.

They'll get tested and will probably lose a couple games.

Plus, there's always the injury factor to consider.
They just traded for Sanu, things are looking pretty good for them  
SterlingArcher : 10/22/2019 10:42 am : link
based on their schedule.
RE: You do realize that  
TyreeHelmet : 10/22/2019 11:05 am : link
In comment 14640332 section125 said:
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the Patriots have not played a good team yet? They won't go undefeated.


Bills are a good team. And they destroyed the Steelers with Big Ben at QB. Those are good teams. The Patriots are loaded.
RE: They'll lose  
gridirony : 10/22/2019 4:31 pm : link
In comment 14640405 NINEster said:
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eventually.

Every team does.

To go 16-0 you need some real offensive firepower and defensive muscle. And luck. Kinda lucked out beating the Ravens that year...bailed out by a penalty on 4th down IIRC.

And that's what makes predicting wins/losses so tough. People are too hung up on teams' power ranking and overlook that usually 90% without fail the elite teams lose to some average team every year.

Can't predict games in a vacuum unless they are week 1, week 17, super hardcore rivalries/prime time battles, or playoffs.

Looking at the Patriots schedule, their next 6 games are against what appear to be some tough teams. I anticipate they will all be real games, fought hard but Patriots I can't imagine will win them all, maybe not even half of them.



"maybe not even half of them."

Are you predicting they will go 2-4, or worse, in their next 6 games?
RE: Honestly, why do you care?  
Jints in Carolina : 10/22/2019 4:38 pm : link
In comment 14640350 ThreePoints said:
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I just don't get it. The Giants stink, but you don't want to possibly see history?


No.
If I had to bet Patriots against the field  
joeinpa : 10/22/2019 4:41 pm : link
For a championship, Ind take the field
Brady not as good without 100% Gronk  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 10/22/2019 6:44 pm : link
but they make it up with that D, its a live wire.

Of course the Pats defenders were incredulous at Shemur's brilliant attack Gilmour gameplan.
RE: RE: They'll lose  
NINEster : 10/22/2019 10:14 pm : link
In comment 14641503 gridirony said:
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In comment 14640405 NINEster said:


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eventually.

Every team does.

To go 16-0 you need some real offensive firepower and defensive muscle. And luck. Kinda lucked out beating the Ravens that year...bailed out by a penalty on 4th down IIRC.

And that's what makes predicting wins/losses so tough. People are too hung up on teams' power ranking and overlook that usually 90% without fail the elite teams lose to some average team every year.

Can't predict games in a vacuum unless they are week 1, week 17, super hardcore rivalries/prime time battles, or playoffs.

Looking at the Patriots schedule, their next 6 games are against what appear to be some tough teams. I anticipate they will all be real games, fought hard but Patriots I can't imagine will win them all, maybe not even half of them.





"maybe not even half of them."

Are you predicting they will go 2-4, or worse, in their next 6 games?


Maybe not, haha....but I do think I checked their schedule when I wrote that:

Browns
@Ravens
@Eagles
Cowboys
@Texans
Chiefs

They'll finish off with Cincy and two divisional games. Maybe the Bills beat them at Foxborough.

As for those games up top, the competition level has increased. Individually they could win all of those games, but collectively I don't know.

Again, I don't think going 16-0 would be a good thing for the Pats.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 10/22/2019 10:22 pm : link
Multiple players on that team-Bruschi, Seymour, etc.-said it wore them down mentally. They would have been better off going 15-1 or 14-2. By the Super Bowl, they were mentally spent, not that any of us should complain about that.
RE: Its a 5 game stretch that will determine it  
bw in dc : 10/22/2019 10:22 pm : link
In comment 14640509 twostepgiants said:
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@ Ravens in prime time
@ Eagles
Vs Cowboys
@ Texans in prime time
Vs Chiefs (if Mahomes healthy)

Otherwise no one will beat them in regular season.


They won't get through that unscathed. That is three tough road games. At Ravens and at Eagles back to back is the challenge...although I think they have a bye in between.
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