Can you imagine the field day that would be going on this morning on this board if Daniel Jones went 11-32 for 86 yards and had 5 turnovers, and was caught on the sidelines saying that?
back from his injury. My guess is that his overall play will be somewhere between those two extremes - closer to the first one. When both Darnold and Jones have a 2 or 3 seasons under their belt, I think they'll both be thought of as good quarterbacks, but Jones will be the better one. He's smarter and overall more accurate.
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
There was definitely a socialism aspect to Eli's game. He was more than willing to throwing passes to everyone - including the other team at a very high rate... ;)
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It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
There was definitely a socialism aspect to Eli's game. He was more than willing to throwing passes to everyone - including the other team at a very high rate... ;)
For YEARS at a time. :)
RE: Gotta have something to be happy about as a Giants fan Â
Is the shitting on Eli Manning stuff really necessary at this point?
I'd expect a little better from you guys. He's not the starter anymore and he gave this franchise all he could - including taking us to the promised land twice.
Most of us realized it was time to move on, but now that we have, I don't think it's really necessary to keep trashing the guy and making jokes about him. You guys sound like Jets fans.
I never thought fans would kick a guy like Eli on his way out the door - but here we are. He deserves better than that... but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Enjoy.
Seems like the concept of the OP and this whole thread Â
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Look, if having immense respect for the QB who was available every single Sunday for us for 15 fucking years, the QB who brought us two championships, the QB who handled himself with class at every juncture, the guy who always represented NYG the right way... if that makes me a 'fanboy' or part of some imaginary fanclub, you know what?
Sign me the fuck up and send me a badge.
I'd much rather be that than the one still making jokes about him throwing INT's and playing poorly after he's already been benched and his career is, for all intents and purposes, over.
But to each their own. :) If you guys get your rocks off by trashing a Giants legend who left it all out on the field for you, so be it.
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
I'm not losing sleep over it - it's just something I noticed and commented on. It took me 2 minutes to post that. I just don't really understand it, but again... to each their own.
I think I was pretty reasonable regarding Eli these last few years - to lump me in as some sort of apologist who made excuses for him at every turn is just not true and not fair.
In comment 14644169 arcarsenal said:
[quote] In comment 14644166 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14644164 arcarsenal said:
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Ah, now I'm part of the "EFC"
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
I'm not losing sleep over it - it's just something I noticed and commented on. It took me 2 minutes to post that. I just don't really understand it, but again... to each their own.
I think I was pretty reasonable regarding Eli these last few years - to lump me in as some sort of apologist who made excuses for him at every turn is just not true and not fair. [/quote
I think you are more guilty by association as it seems those debates were like pack hunters / raptors going at it. And you had a few favorites :-)
Is the shitting on Eli Manning stuff really necessary at this point?
I'd expect a little better from you guys. He's not the starter anymore and he gave this franchise all he could - including taking us to the promised land twice.
Most of us realized it was time to move on, but now that we have, I don't think it's really necessary to keep trashing the guy and making jokes about him. You guys sound like Jets fans.
I never thought fans would kick a guy like Eli on his way out the door - but here we are. He deserves better than that... but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Welcome to the club.
All new members get a gift, an Eco-Drive Citizen watch. Look for yours in the mail.
but it could be. We saw Mark Sanchez's career spiral out of control with the media mocking him every step of the way. This won't go away until Darnold put the team on his back and delivers.
This is massive game for him this weekend. He can forget everything from last week and elevate his play to compete against a tough D on the road, or he can unravel. Big game.
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Welcome to the club.
All new members get a gift, an Eco-Drive Citizen watch. Look for yours in the mail.
If I'm getting one of these watches, you can definitely fucking count me in!
The reception in the basement is too shitty. Have to wonder what else is down here!!!
We do have a couple of Meat Lover's pizzas to go with the pepperoni though...
lol!
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
He used to be Peyton Manning's bitch-boy?
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16 games started
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
There was definitely a socialism aspect to Eli's game. He was more than willing to throwing passes to everyone - including the other team at a very high rate... ;)
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It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
There was definitely a socialism aspect to Eli's game. He was more than willing to throwing passes to everyone - including the other team at a very high rate... ;)
For YEARS at a time. :)
Nah. Because the team is losing we just have to be miserable pricks angry at the organization 24/7.
I mean, they will eventually sense our collective anger and find the right path!!
Precisely. Sure, the Giants have been a complete disaster for years, and will continue to be.....but hey look, the Jets suck! WOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOO!
I'd expect a little better from you guys. He's not the starter anymore and he gave this franchise all he could - including taking us to the promised land twice.
Most of us realized it was time to move on, but now that we have, I don't think it's really necessary to keep trashing the guy and making jokes about him. You guys sound like Jets fans.
I never thought fans would kick a guy like Eli on his way out the door - but here we are. He deserves better than that... but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Enjoy.
Unlikely...
Sure, Britt and arc do a fine job as key members of the EFC. But they were amateurs compared to dep's ability to defend Eli.
;)
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Sign me the fuck up and send me a badge.
I'd much rather be that than the one still making jokes about him throwing INT's and playing poorly after he's already been benched and his career is, for all intents and purposes, over.
But to each their own. :) If you guys get your rocks off by trashing a Giants legend who left it all out on the field for you, so be it.
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
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Ah, now I'm part of the "EFC"
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
I'm not losing sleep over it - it's just something I noticed and commented on. It took me 2 minutes to post that. I just don't really understand it, but again... to each their own.
I think I was pretty reasonable regarding Eli these last few years - to lump me in as some sort of apologist who made excuses for him at every turn is just not true and not fair.
Sure, Britt and arc do a fine job as key members of the EFC. But they were amateurs compared to dep's ability to defend Eli.
;)
Again with the link to me getting this guy banned.
Oh well...if this is the cross I have to bear
If you can't see the levity, well, you just can't see...
But like I said... you guys do you! Don't let me stop ya. (And I know you won't!)
[quote] In comment 14644166 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 14644164 arcarsenal said:
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Ah, now I'm part of the "EFC"
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
It is kind of shifty but it wasn’t me nor do I think you were surprised. It’s also only a few so shake it off if it bothers you so much. Always wonder why posters extrapolate a minority they don’t like over into a larger group.
And you’re not part of the fan club from my viewpoint...you seem to like to ride somewhere in the middle. A bit more level headed than some of the defender fanatics...
I'm not losing sleep over it - it's just something I noticed and commented on. It took me 2 minutes to post that. I just don't really understand it, but again... to each their own.
I think I was pretty reasonable regarding Eli these last few years - to lump me in as some sort of apologist who made excuses for him at every turn is just not true and not fair. [/quote
I think you are more guilty by association as it seems those debates were like pack hunters / raptors going at it. And you had a few favorites :-)
But, if bw is going to nudge me for being too neutral - he can't reverse course here and then put me in the fan club. It's gotta be one or another. :)
I'd expect a little better from you guys. He's not the starter anymore and he gave this franchise all he could - including taking us to the promised land twice.
Most of us realized it was time to move on, but now that we have, I don't think it's really necessary to keep trashing the guy and making jokes about him. You guys sound like Jets fans.
I never thought fans would kick a guy like Eli on his way out the door - but here we are. He deserves better than that... but I guess I shouldn't be surprised.
Enjoy.
Outstanding post.
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is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
You're right, worse...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm
That's worse??
Eli had a TD and 273 yards.
Darnold had 0 TD' 4 INT's a fumble, a batted ball for a safety and 83 yards.
Oh, and he said to a National audience that he saw ghosts.
Obviously arguing with you is a waste of time if that’s what you took out of that game.
I'd cut bait and run also if I used such a ridiculous comparison
But, if bw is going to nudge me for being too neutral - he can't reverse course here and then put me in the fan club. It's gotta be one or another. :)
Fair enough!
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Welcome to the club.
Basically, yes. He thought a guy was blitzing and the safety was dropping back but he mis-diagnosed it.
Not a big deal in the scheme of things, but funny nonetheless. And the freakouts here if that had been or QB and the blame game would have been epic.
Sign of the times, but overall not a big deal one way or the other for Mr. Sam Darnold.
Not a big deal in the scheme of things, but funny nonetheless. And the freakouts here if that had been or QB and the blame game would have been epic.
Sign of the times, but overall not a big deal one way or the other for Mr. Sam Darnold.
Agree with that though I think some folks interpret what he said unfairly.
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Ah, now I'm part of the "EFC"
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Welcome to the club.
All new members get a gift, an Eco-Drive Citizen watch. Look for yours in the mail.
This is massive game for him this weekend. He can forget everything from last week and elevate his play to compete against a tough D on the road, or he can unravel. Big game.
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Ah, now I'm part of the "EFC"
Would have cut him before this year... wanted NYG to take a QB in the draft this year. But, I'm part of the fan club because I think you guys look shitty kicking the guy on his way out the door and didn't need to trash him to get my points across about thinking he was potentially finished/nearing the end/whatever.
Good stuff.
And no, I'm not surprised... it's just what goes down around here.
Welcome to the club.
All new members get a gift, an Eco-Drive Citizen watch. Look for yours in the mail.
If I'm getting one of these watches, you can definitely fucking count me in!
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nope
That was Dallas's third loss in a row, wasn't it?