Can you imagine the field day that would be going on this morning on this board if Daniel Jones went 11-32 for 86 yards and had 5 turnovers, and was caught on the sidelines saying that?
You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
all over this board there are constant referral to “quantitatives” Â
mostly by what appears younger fans. “quantitatives” seems they way they are used here are nothing more than “statistics”. A much simpler term but which is well known, easy to understand, and invokes no mystique, no “magic” attached. if statistics alone is insufficient than it would be helpful to explain what you are adding by invoking” by “quantitatives”
perhaps a brief exposition on this topic might serve us well. But please, football is not baseball so let’s not have “billyball” contamination.
Well, since they are, yet again, one of the worst teams in football.....yes, they are.
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They are cesspools of bitching where people congregate to backslap each other about how the team doesn't use analytics, used the #2 pick to draft to make a terrible pick (Darnold would've been better?), hired the worst GM and coach possible, has the worst roster in the NFL and is going to suck for the next several years.
The fuck it is - it's just the opposite end of the spectrum.
Well, for starters, even you yourself said that you don't want Shurmur anymore, so I'm not quite understanding why that's used as an arrow intended for others.
Is the roster awful? Yes or no? Despite your obvious fondness for Dave Gettleman, would you characterize his free agent signings as successful? Outside of Barkley and maybe Lawrence and Jones, have any of his draftees looked like potential Pro Bowl talents?
Given that they are 7-16 in the Gettleman era thus far, I'd say the burden of proof is on the rose glasses crowd.
is rather that when a team is struggling, attributing every move to be a bad one, insinuating that management is incompetent at best and conspiratorial at worst, and that there is no plan to improve, is venting frustration and making wild leaps of logic.
It also promotes the folly that guys on a message board somehow have the key to success and the team just isn't carrying out those expert plans.
RE: I dont see the need to even care that much about Darnold Â
Other than it makes people momentarily forget that things on this side are pretty shitty.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
Could you imagine if we picked Barkley and the offense still struggled to score points as we limped to back to back 5-11 seasons? What a nightmare that would be.
You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
Pressure? Sure
WRs not getting separation? OK, sure.
But he has something like 4 or 5 fumbles lost in 5 starts. And he owns that.
And 7 INTs. He owns a lot of that as well.
Took over a team that had 14 wins in the two years before he got here and turned it into a team that is not going to sniff 14 wins (more like 10) in the two years since he's been here. Those were his draft picks and signings that couldn't get close enough to a back-up running back to touch him on the way to the end zone.
This Board thinks we have a lot of great prospects because they started right away after being drafted. Who was left to beat out?
Could you imagine if we picked Barkley and the offense still struggled to score points as we limped to back to back 5-11 seasons? What a nightmare that would be.
Are you saying that if we picked Darnold or Rosen the scenario would be different?
Or are we going with the "revised" scenario where we trade out of #2 and load up on OL and edge rushers because the QB's selected have sucked balls so far?
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Other than it makes people momentarily forget that things on this side are pretty shitty.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
Because it stomps SOMEWHAT on the narrative that taking Barkley over Darnold was a mistake we’d live to regret?
Could you imagine if we picked Barkley and the offense still struggled to score points as we limped to back to back 5-11 seasons? What a nightmare that would be.
Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Other than it makes people momentarily forget that things on this side are pretty shitty.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
Because it stomps SOMEWHAT on the narrative that taking Barkley over Darnold was a mistake we’d live to regret?
Probably not - Barkley is now predictably becoming the poster child for everything wrong with the Giants.
Could you imagine if we picked Barkley and the offense still struggled to score points as we limped to back to back 5-11 seasons? What a nightmare that would be.
I think even you can admit that Barkley isn’t the reason for that. Was actually talking to a friend at work yesterday and said how weird it is that we simply can’t make plays work. I then asked him if Barkley and McCaffery switch teams who’d be having the great season and who’d be running in mud.
The Barkley pick was a good one. How good will be based on many factors out of his control. But I see what a creative offense does and then I see our bland, inept play calling and I simply cannot blame it on the strategy of picking Barkley.
We’ve got some talent issues for sure but I’m almost certain if we swapping coaching staffs with some other teams in the NFL it would pay immediate dividends.
Could you imagine if we picked Barkley and the offense still struggled to score points as we limped to back to back 5-11 seasons? What a nightmare that would be.
Not as bad as selecting the next franchise, HOF bound QB and still picking ahead of the pathetic Giants in the draft two seasons in a row
Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
You really think Quenton Nelson would make this a winning team or even a decent team?? No they would suck just like they do now and you'd be killing them for taking an OG with the 2nd overall pick.
They are cesspools of bitching where people congregate to backslap each other about how the team doesn't use analytics, used the #2 pick to draft to make a terrible pick (Darnold would've been better?), hired the worst GM and coach possible, has the worst roster in the NFL and is going to suck for the next several years.
on how Darnold should be impacting W/L for the Jets all while on the cheap and Gettleman is a dinosaur for taking Barkley?
Who would have thought Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are the brightest spots of the 2018 draft class? And by the way, let me know if you think either of those can win a playoff game in which they have to throw the ball.
Living in Baltimore, Raven fans aren't delusional about Lamar. Most have been fairly pragmatic about his limitations, although he is slowly improving throwing the ball. All you can reasonably ask.
even the guys who proclaim to "know the answers", would still be looking at a terrible football team right now.
Would they still have patience if Darnold was under center? If Nelson was blocking? If Allen was rushing the passer?
No. They still would say we are aimless and terribly run.
Hell, Terps keeps railing against Barkley because the offense hasn't produced better returns. And we'd likely still have the same output no matter who was drafted on either side of the ball.
He wanted a tear-down. He got it. But is too damn impatient to see if it will work.
The best rushing attack the Giants have ever had was the 2008 team Â
Their RBs were a 4th round pick, a 7th round pick, and a former Jets 6th rounder who was signed as a street free agent. They ran wild because the 2008 offensive line was terrific.
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
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Carolina went 11-5 after taking McCaffrey 8th overall in 2017... Dallas hasn't had a losing season since taking Elliott 4th and will probably win the division again this year.
Framing Barkley, or choosing Barkley 2nd overall as the reason why we suck is just lazy and boring. There are a lot of reasons why the Giants are bad. Saquon Barkley isn't one of them. And swapping him out with one of those QB's or Quenton Nelson or whoever we want to play fantasy hindsight with doesn't change anything.
The same logic would get us to the same point. "We still suck, therefore player X was a bad pick"
Do it with any player in the 2018 draft... we arrive at the same place.
I said REPEATEDLY before the 2018 draft that I wouldn't draft any RB Â
even the guys who proclaim to "know the answers", would still be looking at a terrible football team right now.
Would they still have patience if Darnold was under center? If Nelson was blocking? If Allen was rushing the passer?
No. They still would say we are aimless and terribly run.
Hell, Terps keeps railing against Barkley because the offense hasn't produced better returns. And we'd likely still have the same output no matter who was drafted on either side of the ball.
He wanted a tear-down. He got it. But is too damn impatient to see if it will work.
This is the truth.
Insert Quentin Nelson, or whomever else you want to onto the roster instead of Barkley, and the results would likely be the same. That is the crazy thing about this.
It's so much bigger than one player.
RE: The best rushing attack the Giants have ever had was the 2008 team Â
Their RBs were a 4th round pick, a 7th round pick, and a former Jets 6th rounder who was signed as a street free agent. They ran wild because the 2008 offensive line was terrific.
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
You can't really run the same run blocking schemes the Broncos did back then, though... that's not a great example. All of the cut blocking doesn't fly now.
I'm all about prioritizing the offensive line. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. Dallas has both and used essentially the same investment on their RB - and they've now paid him a 2nd contract. Why can't the Giants? It's not like drafting a RB 2nd overall strips you of the necessary assets to build a strong offensive line.
Signing guys like Nate Solder are much bigger roadblocks to success than drafting elite RB's.
Barkley and Nelson were BY FAR the two best players Â
They've won one playoff game in three seasons with Elliott. In 2017, when Elliott missed some games, their record with him was 6-4 and their record without him was 3-3. Alfred Morris' washed up ass actually had better numbers in his place.
Elliott is nothing special. He runs behind a great OL, that's all.
Their RBs were a 4th round pick, a 7th round pick, and a former Jets 6th rounder who was signed as a street free agent. They ran wild because the 2008 offensive line was terrific.
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
Well let's look at that offensive line, shall we?
Dave Diehl LT: 5th round pick 2003
Rich Seubert: LG Undrafted FA 2001
Shaun O'hara: C Undrafted FA 2000 traded to Giants in 2004
Chris Snee: RG 2nd round pick 2004
Kareem McKenzie: RT 3rd round pick 2001, signed as FA by Giants in 2005.
So that line was built in varying degrees by drafting, trading, and signing FA's over the course of four years, then an additional two-three years of playing together to become the line it did in 2008.
Dave Gettleman was supposed to do all of that in one offseason?
Those of you jumping in to point out the Giants are also bad Â
What is the point of that? Do you think anyone here thinks the Giants are a decent team? The Jets are the other team in town, they play in the same building, we all at least formed an opinion about drafting Darnold and it’s natural to keep tabs on a guy you passed up with the second pick in the draft. Of course a performance like that is newsworthy around here. It would be notable if it was Trubisky or any other QB taken with a premium pick but the fact that it’s Darnold and the Jets will obviously stand out more.
The Darnold led Jets are a big story in their own right. If you are a Giants fan who lives outside the NY metro area I guess it’s understandable that a performance like that wouldn’t necessarily carry extra weight (even then I think it would because of the draft connection).
If you live in the area though the Jets are basically your second team by default - they get half the coverage in local papers and on the radio, they are on TV every week. I know more about the Jets than any team in the NFL aside from the Giants and it is not even close. The only real difference between the Giants and the Jets is I don’t root for the Jets on Sunday. But otherwise I’m hearing about them nearly as much as the Giants.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
The Colts first three picks would have been a dream for the Giants. Nelson and Braden Smith was my dream draft, but I would have been good with Chubb and Smith too.
I mean just absolutely bad across the board, he was completely panicked from play to play. If Jones had done that he'd be swept into the bust bin, but Darnold gets a pass...why? I truly don't understand the hill that Jones has to climb to even be considered a decent prospect while Darnold can have one good game, shit the bed plenty and he's a golden child either way.
RE: Why do people always use Dallas as some kind of blueprint? Â
They've won one playoff game in three seasons with Elliott. In 2017, when Elliott missed some games, their record with him was 6-4 and their record without him was 3-3. Alfred Morris' washed up ass actually had better numbers in his place.
Elliott is nothing special. He runs behind a great OL, that's all.
Elliott is an excellent player. I couldn't disagree more.
They haven't had a losing year since they drafted Elliott. They were 4-12 the year before they drafted him.
I'm pretty sure we'd be complaining a lot less if we were in their place.
Would you switch places with Dallas right now if you could? I would.
They've been a heck of a lot smarter than we've been in how they've approached their team and keep fielding competitive ones that win the division or are in the mix right up until the end.
Dallas also leads the entire NFL in offensive yards... with that RB they took 4th overall and have now paid.
13 wins, 9 wins, 10 wins... and they'll win the division this year again.
Blueprint or not, they've been a heck of a lot better than us lately and have been embarrassing us on the field just the same.
Gettleman's "great football resume", the one he always likes to remind us about, but I am certain I wouldn't have made this colossal mistake:
Keeping Eli.
Do you think that was a DG move? Honest question. If you do then yes, I'd been fine with the DG criticism for it but I for one don't think he had a choice.
And if that's the case then its just really hard to critique when that's been the biggest decision the franchise has faced in 15 years.
RE: RE: The best rushing attack the Giants have ever had was the 2008 team Â
Dave Gettleman was supposed to do all of that in one offseason?
Oh no, Alibi Ike put quite a bit of work into supposedly fixing the line. He made brilliant moves like signing Nate fucking Solder's worthless ass to the biggest OL contract in the league.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
The Colts first three picks would have been a dream for the Giants. Nelson and Braden Smith was my dream draft, but I would have been good with Chubb and Smith too.
Chubb has a fantastic year last season and the Broncos still sucked. They were just as bad as the Giants. The Broncos didn’t get their first win of this season until Chubb after went on IR. Yet I don’t see people killing him as a bad pick based on team results for some reason. That’s reserved for Barkley around here
Sure, they'll win the division again because the division is trash Â
As for Dallas' playoff record, i'm blaming their HC first and foremost. He looks lost in big games, always has. Coaching matters, shouldn't we know that by now?
jets fans are catatonic today over his performance. as they should be. they also have his Dallas performance to latch onto for hope.
Gettleman has hand picked this OL-
the LT he overpaid sucks
the RT we held out making any moves for is horrible
the RG we traded for is hurt and playing average
the Center is awful
the LG is good.
i don't have a major issue with Barkley other than a big reason they drafted him was because they actually were dumb enough to think they could compete in 2018 after the 2017 debacle... and the top talent at RB would be a huge addition to help with the Eli comeback campaign. that was dead wrong, and the franchise rebuild has been delayed because of that stupidity.
In the hundred years of this league, it is extremely rare Â
that teams will ever pass on drafting extremely high generational RBs of the quality of a Jim Brown, Gale Sayers, Barry Sanders, AP and SB, to name a few. It just isn’t done. It will never, ever, be done imv..There have been other backs who were drafted high and flamed out, but they were never considered generational..
We are so fucking lucky to have such a back in SB..And now, we may have completed a “bifecta” with the drafting of DJ, but at the moment, too soon to know.
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You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
perhaps a brief exposition on this topic might serve us well. But please, football is not baseball so let’s not have “billyball” contamination.
It's not the results during this Decade of Darkness. It's the effort by all of the wonderful people at Jints Central.
And to not appreciate that is obtuse.
Well, since they are, yet again, one of the worst teams in football.....yes, they are.
That's clear-thinking non-delusional observations?
The fuck it is - it's just the opposite end of the spectrum.
Well, for starters, even you yourself said that you don't want Shurmur anymore, so I'm not quite understanding why that's used as an arrow intended for others.
Is the roster awful? Yes or no? Despite your obvious fondness for Dave Gettleman, would you characterize his free agent signings as successful? Outside of Barkley and maybe Lawrence and Jones, have any of his draftees looked like potential Pro Bowl talents?
Given that they are 7-16 in the Gettleman era thus far, I'd say the burden of proof is on the rose glasses crowd.
It also promotes the folly that guys on a message board somehow have the key to success and the team just isn't carrying out those expert plans.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
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You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
Pressure? Sure
WRs not getting separation? OK, sure.
But he has something like 4 or 5 fumbles lost in 5 starts. And he owns that.
And 7 INTs. He owns a lot of that as well.
Connection?
This Board thinks we have a lot of great prospects because they started right away after being drafted. Who was left to beat out?
Are you saying that if we picked Darnold or Rosen the scenario would be different?
Or are we going with the "revised" scenario where we trade out of #2 and load up on OL and edge rushers because the QB's selected have sucked balls so far?
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Other than it makes people momentarily forget that things on this side are pretty shitty.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
Because it stomps SOMEWHAT on the narrative that taking Barkley over Darnold was a mistake we’d live to regret?
Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
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Other than it makes people momentarily forget that things on this side are pretty shitty.
Who really cares that Darnold was awful against a legitimately good defense days after jones was a turnover machine against a bad one? What does that do for anybody?
What does football do for anybody in general?
It's sports... Darnold's performance last night is a sports headline today because that's how bad he was on national television and people are talking about it.
I'd be more interested in knowing why that bothers or surprises people.
Because it stomps SOMEWHAT on the narrative that taking Barkley over Darnold was a mistake we’d live to regret?
Probably not - Barkley is now predictably becoming the poster child for everything wrong with the Giants.
I think even you can admit that Barkley isn’t the reason for that. Was actually talking to a friend at work yesterday and said how weird it is that we simply can’t make plays work. I then asked him if Barkley and McCaffery switch teams who’d be having the great season and who’d be running in mud.
The Barkley pick was a good one. How good will be based on many factors out of his control. But I see what a creative offense does and then I see our bland, inept play calling and I simply cannot blame it on the strategy of picking Barkley.
We’ve got some talent issues for sure but I’m almost certain if we swapping coaching staffs with some other teams in the NFL it would pay immediate dividends.
Not as bad as selecting the next franchise, HOF bound QB and still picking ahead of the pathetic Giants in the draft two seasons in a row
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Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
You really think Quenton Nelson would make this a winning team or even a decent team?? No they would suck just like they do now and you'd be killing them for taking an OG with the 2nd overall pick.
They are cesspools of bitching where people congregate to backslap each other about how the team doesn't use analytics, used the #2 pick to draft to make a terrible pick (Darnold would've been better?), hired the worst GM and coach possible, has the worst roster in the NFL and is going to suck for the next several years.
That's clear-thinking non-delusional observations?
The fuck it is - it's just the opposite end of the spectrum.
Opposite end of the spectrum? Ok sure. But they're also much closer to the truth than the threads stumping for DG and/or PS
Who would have thought Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson are the brightest spots of the 2018 draft class? And by the way, let me know if you think either of those can win a playoff game in which they have to throw the ball.
Living in Baltimore, Raven fans aren't delusional about Lamar. Most have been fairly pragmatic about his limitations, although he is slowly improving throwing the ball. All you can reasonably ask.
Would they still have patience if Darnold was under center? If Nelson was blocking? If Allen was rushing the passer?
No. They still would say we are aimless and terribly run.
Hell, Terps keeps railing against Barkley because the offense hasn't produced better returns. And we'd likely still have the same output no matter who was drafted on either side of the ball.
He wanted a tear-down. He got it. But is too damn impatient to see if it will work.
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
Well, somebody has to pick up the mantle now that Eli isn't available anymore.
Framing Barkley, or choosing Barkley 2nd overall as the reason why we suck is just lazy and boring. There are a lot of reasons why the Giants are bad. Saquon Barkley isn't one of them. And swapping him out with one of those QB's or Quenton Nelson or whoever we want to play fantasy hindsight with doesn't change anything.
The same logic would get us to the same point. "We still suck, therefore player X was a bad pick"
Do it with any player in the 2018 draft... we arrive at the same place.
Would they still have patience if Darnold was under center? If Nelson was blocking? If Allen was rushing the passer?
No. They still would say we are aimless and terribly run.
Hell, Terps keeps railing against Barkley because the offense hasn't produced better returns. And we'd likely still have the same output no matter who was drafted on either side of the ball.
He wanted a tear-down. He got it. But is too damn impatient to see if it will work.
This is the truth.
Insert Quentin Nelson, or whomever else you want to onto the roster instead of Barkley, and the results would likely be the same. That is the crazy thing about this.
It's so much bigger than one player.
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
You can't really run the same run blocking schemes the Broncos did back then, though... that's not a great example. All of the cut blocking doesn't fly now.
I'm all about prioritizing the offensive line. But it doesn't have to be one or the other. Dallas has both and used essentially the same investment on their RB - and they've now paid him a 2nd contract. Why can't the Giants? It's not like drafting a RB 2nd overall strips you of the necessary assets to build a strong offensive line.
Signing guys like Nate Solder are much bigger roadblocks to success than drafting elite RB's.
We took one of them. Yet the bitching still continues.
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Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
So, we got Hernandez and we then got Zeitler. I don't think it's that specific position that is hurting us.
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Who should they have drafted? Realistically. Not in the fantasy world that you live in.
Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
So, we got Hernandez and we then got Zeitler. I don't think it's that specific position that is hurting us.
Bingo
Elliott is nothing special. He runs behind a great OL, that's all.
Keeping Eli.
Are you seriously comparing either of those guys to Nelson?
Almost anyone can be a quality running back behind a good line. That's how the Broncos shuffled through a series of nondescript running backs who ran for big yardage under Shanahan. As we've seen with Barkley, you're not winning jack shit with a great running back and a terrible OL.
Well let's look at that offensive line, shall we?
Dave Diehl LT: 5th round pick 2003
Rich Seubert: LG Undrafted FA 2001
Shaun O'hara: C Undrafted FA 2000 traded to Giants in 2004
Chris Snee: RG 2nd round pick 2004
Kareem McKenzie: RT 3rd round pick 2001, signed as FA by Giants in 2005.
So that line was built in varying degrees by drafting, trading, and signing FA's over the course of four years, then an additional two-three years of playing together to become the line it did in 2008.
Dave Gettleman was supposed to do all of that in one offseason?
The Darnold led Jets are a big story in their own right. If you are a Giants fan who lives outside the NY metro area I guess it’s understandable that a performance like that wouldn’t necessarily carry extra weight (even then I think it would because of the draft connection).
If you live in the area though the Jets are basically your second team by default - they get half the coverage in local papers and on the radio, they are on TV every week. I know more about the Jets than any team in the NFL aside from the Giants and it is not even close. The only real difference between the Giants and the Jets is I don’t root for the Jets on Sunday. But otherwise I’m hearing about them nearly as much as the Giants.
The Colts first three picks would have been a dream for the Giants. Nelson and Braden Smith was my dream draft, but I would have been good with Chubb and Smith too.
Elliott is nothing special. He runs behind a great OL, that's all.
Elliott is an excellent player. I couldn't disagree more.
They haven't had a losing year since they drafted Elliott. They were 4-12 the year before they drafted him.
I'm pretty sure we'd be complaining a lot less if we were in their place.
Would you switch places with Dallas right now if you could? I would.
They've been a heck of a lot smarter than we've been in how they've approached their team and keep fielding competitive ones that win the division or are in the mix right up until the end.
Dallas also leads the entire NFL in offensive yards... with that RB they took 4th overall and have now paid.
13 wins, 9 wins, 10 wins... and they'll win the division this year again.
Blueprint or not, they've been a heck of a lot better than us lately and have been embarrassing us on the field just the same.
Keeping Eli.
Do you think that was a DG move? Honest question. If you do then yes, I'd been fine with the DG criticism for it but I for one don't think he had a choice.
And if that's the case then its just really hard to critique when that's been the biggest decision the franchise has faced in 15 years.
Oh no, Alibi Ike put quite a bit of work into supposedly fixing the line. He made brilliant moves like signing Nate fucking Solder's worthless ass to the biggest OL contract in the league.
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Quenton Nelson, the same guy I said I wanted at the time.
The Colts first three picks would have been a dream for the Giants. Nelson and Braden Smith was my dream draft, but I would have been good with Chubb and Smith too.
Chubb has a fantastic year last season and the Broncos still sucked. They were just as bad as the Giants. The Broncos didn’t get their first win of this season until Chubb after went on IR. Yet I don’t see people killing him as a bad pick based on team results for some reason. That’s reserved for Barkley around here
BTW, the offense wasn't why they won 10 games last year. It was actually pretty bad.
It's quite touching...
As for Dallas' playoff record, i'm blaming their HC first and foremost. He looks lost in big games, always has. Coaching matters, shouldn't we know that by now?
Gettleman has hand picked this OL-
the LT he overpaid sucks
the RT we held out making any moves for is horrible
the RG we traded for is hurt and playing average
the Center is awful
the LG is good.
i don't have a major issue with Barkley other than a big reason they drafted him was because they actually were dumb enough to think they could compete in 2018 after the 2017 debacle... and the top talent at RB would be a huge addition to help with the Eli comeback campaign. that was dead wrong, and the franchise rebuild has been delayed because of that stupidity.
We are so fucking lucky to have such a back in SB..And now, we may have completed a “bifecta” with the drafting of DJ, but at the moment, too soon to know.