Can you imagine the field day that would be going on this morning on this board if Daniel Jones went 11-32 for 86 yards and had 5 turnovers, and was caught on the sidelines saying that?
Seriously, do you pay attention to who has success in this league over the last 15 years?
Who has had sustained success the past 15 years to point to?
Even ignoring the Pats (who lo and behold selected a RB in the 1st round last year), the Rams who played them in the SB with a high first round pick at RB. The Steelers with a 2nd round pick anchoring their offense for several years. The Cowboys with Elliott. The examples of teams not having a RB drafted pretty high is shrinking.
But beyond that - what is the blueprint for success the past 15 years? Haven't most teams taken wildly different routes? The best correlation you'll find is having a QB on his rookie deal using up less of the cap, but then those pesky Pats refute that.
The Pats took Michel with the lower of their TWO first round picks in 2018. And it wasn't a premium pick...like the #2 pick in the draft.
Do we have to do this exercise again? Let's do the last twelve SB champs.
2008 NYG RBs: Bradshaw & Jacobs
2009 Pitt RBs: Parker & Davenport
2010 NO RBs: Thomas & Bell
2011 GB RBs: Starks & Jackson
2012 NYG RBs: Bradshaw & Jacobs
2013 BALT RBs: Rice & Leach
2014 SEA RBs: Lynch & Robinson
2015 PATS RBs: Blount & Bolden
2016 DEN RBs: Anderson & Hillman
2017 PATS RBs: Blount, White, Lewis, etc.
2018 PHI RBs: Ajayi, Blount, Smallwood, Clement, etc
2019 PATS RBs: White, Burkett, etc
So notice the player I put in bold. You're a smart guy. What do you think it means?
So, your position is that the only possible alternative to Flowers Â
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
RE: So, your position is that the only possible alternative to Flowers Â
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
I just want to know what alternative was there besides either keeping Flowers and doing nothing or signing Solder.
To me, keeping Flowers was no longer acceptable. Â
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
Remember how people were touting Gettleman's ability to find players at lower levels in the draft, pointing specifically to Andrew Norwell?
That one seemed to have died down after the Giants were held at gunpoint and forced to pay Solder.
the guy who played last week against the Cowboys with the guy who just played the Patriots. Given the Patriots defense is much better than Dallas', but the difference in performance was drastic.
The guy seemed spooked to play the Patriots which may speak to a larger problem than inconsistency.
Which makes the play of Our rookie Danny Jones even that much more impressive. (With no Barkley or Ingram )
I don't think a lot of people saw an impressive performance by Jones against the Patriots. I read that on BBI quite a bit, but nowhere else.
RE: To me, keeping Flowers was no longer acceptable. Â
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
Remember how people were touting Gettleman's ability to find players at lower levels in the draft, pointing specifically to Andrew Norwell?
That one seemed to have died down after the Giants were held at gunpoint and forced to pay Solder.
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
No but you are using hindsight. At the time EVERYONE was screaming for anything on the OL and were pissed we missed out on Norwell to TC. At the time the next biggest name was Solder and if you got the money honey, he's got the time....if the Giants had stuck with Flowers and we had the same performance for 2 years, I wonder what you would be saying about Gettleman now.
but while I was against the Barkley pick, once we took him, I did not understand the point of trading Beckham.
For what it's worth, I think Lawrence is going to be a stud, and if OBJ continues to put up pedestrian numbers on the Browns, it could be decent value and turn out to be an okay trade.
But Barkley and OBJ are players that would have increased eachothers efficiency.
and while there's this weird revisionist history that Zeitler and Vernon were part of the OBJ trade, they were not, and you could have gotten Zeitler without pulling the trigger on OBJ.
Who knows, maybe Xman will blossom, but Peppers is not going to live up to his draft billing, and this defense still sucks.
Trading OBJ was a bad move in my opinion, after you drafted Barkley and got a rookie (and mobile, not running but mobile) QB.
You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
I have little doubt SS and Tate could get tons of separation in a Gilbride type offense like Cruz and Smith, not Shemur's spacing routes against Tampa 2. The Zona CB was already raising his fist in celebration as soon as DJ8 threw his 1st interception.
No good, very bad day. Let's see how he responds. He's barely 22 years old hasn't played a full season worth of games, came up against the league's best defense, maybe an all-time great defense on national TV. His coaches were also seeing ghosts. The Jets got full Belichicked. Eli Manning had games like that early in his career. So did Peyton, Troy Aikman, etc. The jury on Darnold hasn't even been seated yet. We'll see. I really don't like the Jets and a lot of their fans. But I still feel bad for this kid. And, btw, another lesson on how hard it is to find a franchise, championship-capable QB in this league. Darnold may, indeed, be in that category. So might Daniel Jones. Nobody knows yet.
No good, very bad day. Let's see how he responds. He's barely 22 years old hasn't played a full season worth of games, came up against the league's best defense, maybe an all-time great defense on national TV. His coaches were also seeing ghosts. The Jets got full Belichicked. Eli Manning had games like that early in his career. So did Peyton, Troy Aikman, etc. The jury on Darnold hasn't even been seated yet. We'll see. I really don't like the Jets and a lot of their fans. But I still feel bad for this kid. And, btw, another lesson on how hard it is to find a franchise, championship-capable QB in this league. Darnold may, indeed, be in that category. So might Daniel Jones. Nobody knows yet.
Other players sucking and other fans having wanted those players is such a lame ass consolation.
True most of the time, but the implosion, the utter rage by more than some over us passing on Darnold was so profound, many of us, being human, were immediately against his being as productive as his sploogers said he would be (and still might be. Way too early to be definitive one way or the other.)
Is that a child-like reaction? You bet, but again, we’re human.
is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
This feels a little revisionist. Eli was hardly a finished product as a second year player. That he wasn't mic'd up to get a juicy sound clip from doesn't mean he didn't have some of the same issues. In his first three years, he was 2nd, 4th, and 1st in interceptions.
is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
I totally agree. The Jets have a real problem here. And potentially a big problem. Not only does Darnold keep struggling with the physical elements of the game - his footwork is just all of the place from game to game - but there now appears to a real issue with the mental part of the game.
is literally the worst QB performance ever. 37-14 loss.
0.0 rating 4/18 for 27 yards and 2 ints.
Eli in his 4th season in 2007 vs MN wasn't much better. 41-17 loss.
33.8 rating 21/49 for 273 yards 4 ints 3 returned for TDs.
In. His. Fourth. Year.
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With Peyton watching in the stands, Darren Sharper, Dwight Smith and Chad Greenway picked off passes by Eli and returned them for touchdowns in leading the Vikings to a 41-17 victory over the New York Giants on Sunday.
"It's not necessarily that we have a good read on Eli," Sharper said. "I just think we have played well against him the last couple of times."
Well isn't the word. Great is. The Vikings (5-6) have picked off Manning eight times in the two games, scoring on four of those picks and coming close on another.
Two months later he was Super Bowl MVP.
Young QBs get abused by good coaches and good teams. Both Jones and Darnold are going through it at the same time. The "seeing ghosts" quote was about misreading the defense.
I think the next move for the Baghdad Bob crew is to storm Eric's basement and eat pizza and hold a press conference .
IMO he is destined for a Matt Leinert type career, who was also a 1st Rd QB selection from USC. These guys play with a team of college all-stars, so they always look better than they really are (sort of the opposite of DJ).
IMO he is destined for a Matt Leinert type career, who was also a 1st Rd QB selection from USC. These guys play with a team of college all-stars, so they always look better than they really are (sort of the opposite of DJ).
He played with one of the worst olines in Power 5 football and boozebag for a coach, but he did have a ton of skill talent.
Darnold didn't play with anything remotely resembling a "college all-star team".
USC had 13 players drafted in the 3 drafts around Darnold, 2017-2019. Many were top picks, and on offense he had college weapons like Juju Shuster and Ronald Jones to play with.
USC certainly is always one of the most talented teams in college football.
back from his injury. My guess is that his overall play will be somewhere between those two extremes - closer to the first one. When both Darnold and Jones have a 2 or 3 seasons under their belt, I think they'll both be thought of as good quarterbacks, but Jones will be the better one. He's smarter and overall more accurate.
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.
So you leave Erik Flowers there? What would you have done?
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Seriously, do you pay attention to who has success in this league over the last 15 years?
Who has had sustained success the past 15 years to point to?
Even ignoring the Pats (who lo and behold selected a RB in the 1st round last year), the Rams who played them in the SB with a high first round pick at RB. The Steelers with a 2nd round pick anchoring their offense for several years. The Cowboys with Elliott. The examples of teams not having a RB drafted pretty high is shrinking.
But beyond that - what is the blueprint for success the past 15 years? Haven't most teams taken wildly different routes? The best correlation you'll find is having a QB on his rookie deal using up less of the cap, but then those pesky Pats refute that.
The Pats took Michel with the lower of their TWO first round picks in 2018. And it wasn't a premium pick...like the #2 pick in the draft.
Do we have to do this exercise again? Let's do the last twelve SB champs.
2008 NYG RBs: Bradshaw & Jacobs
2009 Pitt RBs: Parker & Davenport
2010 NO RBs: Thomas & Bell
2011 GB RBs: Starks & Jackson
2012 NYG RBs: Bradshaw & Jacobs
2013 BALT RBs: Rice & Leach
2014 SEA RBs: Lynch & Robinson
2015 PATS RBs: Blount & Bolden
2016 DEN RBs: Anderson & Hillman
2017 PATS RBs: Blount, White, Lewis, etc.
2018 PHI RBs: Ajayi, Blount, Smallwood, Clement, etc
2019 PATS RBs: White, Burkett, etc
So notice the player I put in bold. You're a smart guy. What do you think it means?
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
I just want to know what alternative was there besides either keeping Flowers and doing nothing or signing Solder.
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
Remember how people were touting Gettleman's ability to find players at lower levels in the draft, pointing specifically to Andrew Norwell?
That one seemed to have died down after the Giants were held at gunpoint and forced to pay Solder.
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the guy who played last week against the Cowboys with the guy who just played the Patriots. Given the Patriots defense is much better than Dallas', but the difference in performance was drastic.
The guy seemed spooked to play the Patriots which may speak to a larger problem than inconsistency.
Which makes the play of Our rookie Danny Jones even that much more impressive. (With no Barkley or Ingram )
I don't think a lot of people saw an impressive performance by Jones against the Patriots. I read that on BBI quite a bit, but nowhere else.
Gettleman did keep flowers
he didn't cut him till mid season
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was giving Solder a massive contract?
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
Remember how people were touting Gettleman's ability to find players at lower levels in the draft, pointing specifically to Andrew Norwell?
That one seemed to have died down after the Giants were held at gunpoint and forced to pay Solder.
This makes no sense at all.
I guess the answer is if you dont want anyone to hear you dont wear a mic?
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First round OGs to win a SB?
James Carpenter, 2013 Seahawks
Picked 25th. Michel was picked 30th.
Michel pick is qualified because it was two picks from the last in the 1st round, the 25th pick is not virtually the same?
I don't disagree with all of your argument, but this is just disingenuous.
Where's fanofthejets, he was popping back in before yesterday lol
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Daniel Jones: 15/31 – 161 yards – 1 TD / 3 INT / 35.2 QBR vs the Patriots in NE.
So better, but no bragging rights there.
On a short week, with windy conditions (not sure how that compared to last night), his top 2 RBs and his top 2 receiving options all sidelined.
dep?
NYC is the ass end of the NFL now.
And you know something? As bad as Flowers is, I'd rather have kept his shitty ass in the short term than signed a guy who is only marginally better to a huge deal that's going to be an anchor around the team's collective neck for years to come.
Honestly, what difference would it have made? Would they have only won 3 games again in 2018 rather than 5? Oh no!
No but you are using hindsight. At the time EVERYONE was screaming for anything on the OL and were pissed we missed out on Norwell to TC. At the time the next biggest name was Solder and if you got the money honey, he's got the time....if the Giants had stuck with Flowers and we had the same performance for 2 years, I wonder what you would be saying about Gettleman now.
For what it's worth, I think Lawrence is going to be a stud, and if OBJ continues to put up pedestrian numbers on the Browns, it could be decent value and turn out to be an okay trade.
But Barkley and OBJ are players that would have increased eachothers efficiency.
and while there's this weird revisionist history that Zeitler and Vernon were part of the OBJ trade, they were not, and you could have gotten Zeitler without pulling the trigger on OBJ.
Who knows, maybe Xman will blossom, but Peppers is not going to live up to his draft billing, and this defense still sucks.
Trading OBJ was a bad move in my opinion, after you drafted Barkley and got a rookie (and mobile, not running but mobile) QB.
Stop trying to harsh our buzz, its all we got left! XP
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...SUCK!
You're a broken record. There's nothing in the 5 games that Jones played that comes even close to Darnold's level of ineptitude yesterday. But you need to shit all over Jones.
You've got it wrong. I am a Daniel Jones supporter and I've liked some of the things he has done so far as a rookie. But he has simply sucked the last few games with all his turnovers.
He's a rookie whose played 5 games. He's getting pressured at by far the highest rate in the NFL. His WRs are also not getting separation. They are near the bottom of separation yards since the stat started getting tracked 4 years ago.
I have little doubt SS and Tate could get tons of separation in a Gilbride type offense like Cruz and Smith, not Shemur's spacing routes against Tampa 2. The Zona CB was already raising his fist in celebration as soon as DJ8 threw his 1st interception.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
True most of the time, but the implosion, the utter rage by more than some over us passing on Darnold was so profound, many of us, being human, were immediately against his being as productive as his sploogers said he would be (and still might be. Way too early to be definitive one way or the other.)
Is that a child-like reaction? You bet, but again, we’re human.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
This feels a little revisionist. Eli was hardly a finished product as a second year player. That he wasn't mic'd up to get a juicy sound clip from doesn't mean he didn't have some of the same issues. In his first three years, he was 2nd, 4th, and 1st in interceptions.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
I totally agree. The Jets have a real problem here. And potentially a big problem. Not only does Darnold keep struggling with the physical elements of the game - his footwork is just all of the place from game to game - but there now appears to a real issue with the mental part of the game.
Right now his play is closer to bust than boom...
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
You're right, worse...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm
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is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
You're right, worse...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm
This is more comparable
Baltimore chop - ( New Window )
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is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
You're right, worse...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm
That's worse??
Eli had a TD and 273 yards.
Darnold had 0 TD' 4 INT's a fumble, a batted ball for a safety and 83 yards.
Oh, and he said to a National audience that he saw ghosts.
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is in Year 2. He's talking about seeing ghosts and throwing off his back foot and ducking away from pressure.
Eli never had a game like that and he had some really bad ones.
He's no longer a rookie.
You're right, worse...
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200711250nyg.htm
That's worse??
Eli had a TD and 273 yards.
Darnold had 0 TD' 4 INT's a fumble, a batted ball for a safety and 83 yards.
Oh, and he said to a National audience that he saw ghosts.
Obviously arguing with you is a waste of time if that’s what you took out of that game.
It was one of the worst QB performances of all time!
And the example you showed of Eli, he contributed one less turnover, almost 200 more yards and a TD.
Are you really trying to point out that the two games were similar?
0.0 rating 4/18 for 27 yards and 2 ints.
Eli in his 4th season in 2007 vs MN wasn't much better. 41-17 loss.
33.8 rating 21/49 for 273 yards 4 ints 3 returned for TDs.
In. His. Fourth. Year.
"It's not necessarily that we have a good read on Eli," Sharper said. "I just think we have played well against him the last couple of times."
Well isn't the word. Great is. The Vikings (5-6) have picked off Manning eight times in the two games, scoring on four of those picks and coming close on another.
Two months later he was Super Bowl MVP.
Young QBs get abused by good coaches and good teams. Both Jones and Darnold are going through it at the same time. The "seeing ghosts" quote was about misreading the defense.
I think the next move for the Baghdad Bob crew is to storm Eric's basement and eat pizza and hold a press conference .
We got a cache of pepperoni pies down here!!
He played with one of the worst olines in Power 5 football and boozebag for a coach, but he did have a ton of skill talent.
The reception in the basement is too shitty. Have to wonder what else is down here!!!
We do have a couple of Meat Lover's pizzas to go with the pepperoni though...
USC had 13 players drafted in the 3 drafts around Darnold, 2017-2019. Many were top picks, and on offense he had college weapons like Juju Shuster and Ronald Jones to play with.
USC certainly is always one of the most talented teams in college football.
The reception in the basement is too shitty. Have to wonder what else is down here!!!
We do have a couple of Meat Lover's pizzas to go with the pepperoni though...
lol!
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
He used to be Peyton Manning's bitch-boy?
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16 games started
58% completions,
3,464 total yards (216 per game, yahoo!)
20 passing TD's (1.2 per game)
20 Ints (1.2 per game)
7 fumbles, 3 lost (so 23 turnovers, or 1.4 per game!)
Sure looks like a HOF player to me.
Let the spinning begin.
For a rookie QB, those full year stats aren't unusual. For example, Peyton Manning had 26 TDs and 28 INTs his rookie year at a 57% completion rate. And he lost three fumbles. That's 31 total turnovers. And he had Faulk and Harrison on that team.
I liked Darnold at SC. He's got some very good natural skills. Thought he had an excellent workout in the rain at SC before the draft. But he obviously had warts coming in the league - turnover prone and lacking pocket fundamentals. So there were things to work on.
But so far I don't see ANY improvement since he came into the league.
Gase, who I like, really has his work cut out for him to make sure Dardold doesn't fall completely into the QB abyss...
It will be a problem if he leads the league in INTs for years at a time in his prime. We should be familiar with that.