we should understand why Pitt is ready to move on from him. Does he still have the desire and work ethic that he had earlier in his career? Has he adjusted to the modern NFL game?
We still need to draft well and reinforce areas of weakness Â
Pittsburgh fans have been calling for his head a few years in a row now and they currently have a 2-4 record mostly because Ben and Rudolph are our, but still.
we should understand why Pitt is ready to move on from him. Does he still have the desire and work ethic that he had earlier in his career? Has he adjusted to the modern NFL game?
Coaches get stale. Few exceptions. I'm not so sure Pitt drops Tomlin, either. 3 HCs since 1969 is it? Noll, Cowher, Tomlin?
Why do mention a 3-4? DO you realize Tomlin was student of the Tampa 2 scheme which was a 4-3? Do you realize that most NFL teams play in a base defense about 4 plays a game? Do you realize a great coach will adjust his scheme to fit the personnel he has?
Why do mention a 3-4? DO you realize Tomlin was student of the Tampa 2 scheme which was a 4-3? Do you realize that most NFL teams play in a base defense about 4 plays a game? Do you realize a great coach will adjust his scheme to fit the personnel he has?
The Steelers have run a 3-4 defense since he has been there. I’m just saying we are building a 3-4 hybrid. He knows how to operate both including a base 3-4 if he wants. It would be a disaster to try to go back to a true 4-3 after just changing our personnel to fit a 3-4 scheme. Some continuity is a good thing.
Pat Shurmur .304
Ray Handley .438
Ben McAdoo .464
Mike Tomlin .644
I think that's a bit misleading. Rosters have as much to do with the discrepancy in winning percentage as coaching. Steelers have had one of the most stable front offices, and been one of the most consistent drafting teams for the past 20 years.
he has underachieved with some of the best talent over the last ten plus years. he won that super bowl with cowher's players. his clock management is terrible. has no control of the locker room, look at all the issues with his players and coaches (joey porter) over the years. i don't usually agree with stiller fans and the media, but they are right about tomlin. tho his press conferences are great!
I’m happy with Shurmur. He’ll start winning once he has more talent- especially high draft picks on offense. Maybe 2 more “rebuilding” years and he’ll start to compete for a playoff spot. He has a proven track record of winning and developing tough teams....And boy can he inspire and is a true leader of men!
Tomlin? What has he ever done? Not sure he has what it takes to win in the NFL. And he leaves a lot to be desired when inspiring and leading...
I hear you, but Shurmur is far below Handley and McAdoo now. And I wouldn't call the Giants an "unstable" franchise. (In fact, I would argue they are perhaps a little "too stable").
had a huge free agent influx on defense to help him that one year.
R* H** (I still can't say his name) had LT, Pepper, Leonard Marshall, Collins, Jackson, Guyton, Hampton, Megget, Simms, Hoss... It was a lot of talent.
With the dead cap space I still think Shurmer has chicken shit to work with. Rookie QB, Rookie DBs, No LBers, No edge, crap receivers. There are some talented pieces but not nearly enough. He may still be a bad coach but I think he gets next year with a spending spree to prove himself.
My hunch is that the Gkiants are prepping Rhule for a shot. Â
I think the Giants give Shurmur another year and then bail on him after 2020. By then, this will clearly be a team that has cycled through the old guard of players (e.g. Eli and DeOssie) as well as Reese's pieces (e.g., Engram if he can't stay heathy? Shepard if his concussion problems continue? Jenkins leaving as a FA or being traded).
Besides, there are no slam dunk head coaching candidates out there either. If anyone would like, go ahead and click on the link below to listen to a Matt Rhule interview from yesterday. He's a local guy from NYC who's 44 and who played at Penn State. He's young and hungry and has 4 years of actual head coaching experience at Temple, in which he turned that program and is currently in his 3rd season at Baylor, making this season his 7th as a head coach. His team now is currently 7-0 now. He turned them around too. He's two-for-two when it comes to reclamation projects, which is what this is. He was hired by Coughlin, which says something, so I'm intrigued. Keep your eyes on him.
Not great. But give him a go here in the turnaround. But i think Mara is going to give Shurmur a long stay bc he's a nice guy and quiet guy.
Coughlin was given three consecutive losing seasons before being shown the door. What makes you think Shurmur is going to get the same amount of slack without the proven winning.
Say what you want about his play calling and game management but the team has played hard to the end of games. That couldnt be said under Macadoo. The talent level on this team is still very low and we are playing a ton of rookies who probably shouldnt be playing.
I think he needs more time to right the ship. I do not think he is a good head coach at this time but we have not had our playmakers on the field at the same time all season. 1st it was Tate, then SS, EE and SB and now SS is out. On D our LBs have been hurt and after the starters we have basically street FAs.
unfortunately our 2nd year players have not developed as hoped. Hernandez, Hill and Carter have not impressed so while they are playing, they are not playing well. our rookies have been a mixed bag but some are playing because we have no one else, it doesnt mean they are good.
Tomlin has a job. He's not getting fired in a year his starting QB got hurt.
Anyway Giants unlikely to hire a guy fired by Pitt due to the Mara-Rooney ties.
Under normal circumstances I would agree about PS, but in this case his record is abysmal. It wouldn't shock me to see him get axed. It may be unlikely, but it's in the realm of possible, and worth discussing.
As for Tomlin I'm not sure I follow the logic. If anything the Rooney/Mara connection makes him more likely.
he gets exposed whenever he faces good coaching.. He is better than what we have now.. but the success in Pittsburgh has more to do with their organization and the talent they've had than the HC.. He had a SB winning team that he inherited.. Put me as someone who would prefer Jim Harbaugh over him..
Is Shurmur on hot seat this year? Or does Ownership show restraint this year. IMO I think Shurmur and the young QB will get more time, but will the fanbase understand, especially with more losing before we get where we need to?! I don't think Ownership will be willing to admit they were wrong after two years on back to back coaches. I hope I'm wrong because I just do not see Shurmur getting this team to the playoffs and it would just be a waste of time to continue with this regime.
Like coughlin; Not so much xs and os but the big picture, football common sense, building rationally, toughness.
Another name from the falcons 9ers tree in addition to Chris Morgan OL falcs might be Robert Turner jr rbs 9 ers? I think his name is, rb coach falcons and 9 ers in the mix somewhere . That's obviously a system that can feed play action and mitigate pass rush.
he has his QB, stay the course and await the splendor of Shurmurball in full bloom . Three double digit win seasons from now and Shurmur will smell .500 for his career.
here would think Mike Tomlin would be anything but a bloody coup if we were to land him has me at a loss for words. Man's been consistently one of the best coaches in the NFL. Having talent isn't enough, you have to make them tick. I got nothing but the most respect for him and I think we'd be so lucky if it ever came to that. Sadly, this hypothetical will never happen IMV
I’m biased as I’ve always been a big Tomlin fan.
Pittsburgh fans have been calling for his head a few years in a row now and they currently have a 2-4 record mostly because Ben and Rudolph are our, but still.
Pat Shurmur .304
Ray Handley .438
Ben McAdoo .464
Mike Tomlin .644
Coaches get stale. Few exceptions. I'm not so sure Pitt drops Tomlin, either. 3 HCs since 1969 is it? Noll, Cowher, Tomlin?
Tomlin has a job. He's not getting fired in a year his starting QB got hurt.
Anyway Giants unlikely to hire a guy fired by Pitt due to the Mara-Rooney ties.
The Steelers have run a 3-4 defense since he has been there. I’m just saying we are building a 3-4 hybrid. He knows how to operate both including a base 3-4 if he wants. It would be a disaster to try to go back to a true 4-3 after just changing our personnel to fit a 3-4 scheme. Some continuity is a good thing.
Pat Shurmur .304
Ray Handley .438
Ben McAdoo .464
Mike Tomlin .644
I think that's a bit misleading. Rosters have as much to do with the discrepancy in winning percentage as coaching. Steelers have had one of the most stable front offices, and been one of the most consistent drafting teams for the past 20 years.
People laughed at him for taking the Baylor job after Briles, year 3 and they're 7-0. Like their QB a lot too.
He'd be outside the box. Maybe he isn't ready. But what he's done in Waco is really impressive. That was a dumpster fire.
NYC guy as well so my hunch is the media won't faze him.
People laughed at him for taking the Baylor job after Briles, year 3 and they're 7-0. Like their QB a lot too.
He'd be outside the box. Maybe he isn't ready. But what he's done in Waco is really impressive. That was a dumpster fire.
NYC guy as well so my hunch is the media won't faze him.
I’m down with Rhule if we are going to hire a College Coach.
Tomlin? What has he ever done? Not sure he has what it takes to win in the NFL. And he leaves a lot to be desired when inspiring and leading...
We've got a coaching problem.
Has their history proven that?
R* H** (I still can't say his name) had LT, Pepper, Leonard Marshall, Collins, Jackson, Guyton, Hampton, Megget, Simms, Hoss... It was a lot of talent.
With the dead cap space I still think Shurmer has chicken shit to work with. Rookie QB, Rookie DBs, No LBers, No edge, crap receivers. There are some talented pieces but not nearly enough. He may still be a bad coach but I think he gets next year with a spending spree to prove himself.
Besides, there are no slam dunk head coaching candidates out there either. If anyone would like, go ahead and click on the link below to listen to a Matt Rhule interview from yesterday. He's a local guy from NYC who's 44 and who played at Penn State. He's young and hungry and has 4 years of actual head coaching experience at Temple, in which he turned that program and is currently in his 3rd season at Baylor, making this season his 7th as a head coach. His team now is currently 7-0 now. He turned them around too. He's two-for-two when it comes to reclamation projects, which is what this is. He was hired by Coughlin, which says something, so I'm intrigued. Keep your eyes on him.
Baylor HC Matt Rhule talks one on one with David Smoak - October 21, 2019 - ( New Window )
Play calling. Time out's. When to punt or go for it.
That's not about roster talent.
A coach still needs to put his team in a good spot and this coach isn't doing it right now.
And I am not sure that's going to improve.
that has won a few games .
He would be on any list I assume
I think he needs more time to right the ship. I do not think he is a good head coach at this time but we have not had our playmakers on the field at the same time all season. 1st it was Tate, then SS, EE and SB and now SS is out. On D our LBs have been hurt and after the starters we have basically street FAs.
unfortunately our 2nd year players have not developed as hoped. Hernandez, Hill and Carter have not impressed so while they are playing, they are not playing well. our rookies have been a mixed bag but some are playing because we have no one else, it doesnt mean they are good.
Pat Shurmur .304
Ray Handley .438
Ben McAdoo .464
Mike Tomlin .644
And people here are lukewarm - its unreal...
Unless he retires, I seriously doubt the Rooneys fire him. Tomlin will get every chance to right that ship.
Tomlin has a job. He's not getting fired in a year his starting QB got hurt.
Anyway Giants unlikely to hire a guy fired by Pitt due to the Mara-Rooney ties.
Under normal circumstances I would agree about PS, but in this case his record is abysmal. It wouldn't shock me to see him get axed. It may be unlikely, but it's in the realm of possible, and worth discussing.
As for Tomlin I'm not sure I follow the logic. If anything the Rooney/Mara connection makes him more likely.
Tomlin: an actual head coach, not just a system guy, with a winning record .
Tough teams that run the football. Why not?
It would be like coughlin only more running even?
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Play calling. Time out's. When to punt or go for it.
That's not about roster talent.
A coach still needs to put his team in a good spot and this coach isn't doing it right now.
And I am not sure that's going to improve.
Who here wouldn't feel that's an improvement ?
Yes on Tomlin
He’s much more aligned with Gettleman when it comes to run/stop the run/rush the passer as well as prioritizing the trenches.
Is Shurmur on hot seat this year? Or does Ownership show restraint this year. IMO I think Shurmur and the young QB will get more time, but will the fanbase understand, especially with more losing before we get where we need to?! I don't think Ownership will be willing to admit they were wrong after two years on back to back coaches. I hope I'm wrong because I just do not see Shurmur getting this team to the playoffs and it would just be a waste of time to continue with this regime.
Another name from the falcons 9ers tree in addition to Chris Morgan OL falcs might be Robert Turner jr rbs 9 ers? I think his name is, rb coach falcons and 9 ers in the mix somewhere . That's obviously a system that can feed play action and mitigate pass rush.
Unlikely event though
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Was an assistant OL coach with the team for a year. Had Temple at back-back 10 win seasons for the first time in school history.
People laughed at him for taking the Baylor job after Briles, year 3 and they're 7-0. Like their QB a lot too.
He'd be outside the box. Maybe he isn't ready. But what he's done in Waco is really impressive. That was a dumpster fire.
NYC guy as well so my hunch is the media won't faze him.
I’m down with Rhule if we are going to hire a College Coach.
Me too. Rhule is getting a shot soon and I would like for it to be here. Only other guy I have interest in is a pipe dream and never happening. BB
You hire Tomlin and you'll get a fake punt up 4,with 4 to go.See how you like those types of decisions.
Makes it fun.
When you have [loose-noodle pass as run nobody respects the outside run game] the tricks just become pathetic